No More Oluwole

The popular "Oluwole" in the Lagos Island, well known for its excellent duplication services of any document in the world has finally been turned into rumbles.

Does this mean, this criminals will find somewhere else to go, or it is actually the end of generating false documents in Nigeria?

http://www.punchontheweb.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art20071212113326

Trust me They Will Establish A New More Modern Colony. Its Big Business U Know?

Agreed Oluwole might have had a notorious antecedant.

The issue is the stupid way govt goes about this modernization. The story suggest that 2-3 years ago LSDPC officials came to take a list of all the existing residents and assured that they would be relocated before any demolition. 2-3 years later the govt has not completed the promised relocation, then commence demolition, fool where do you expect the people to go. Why then are we surprised that armed robbery is on the increase, its not rocket science buy sub machine guns for the police it wont solve anything as long as you dont empower people positively they will survive anyway, where govt philosophy is like the private sector, ignoring the social responsibilities, this is the nonsense we get.

Later we would say the pople dont listen that they would come back and hang around, people that ordinarily have no choice. I think its time lawyers start suing the govt and forcing them to do the right thing. Its really annoying, rejuvination is done worldwide, the result will depend on how the whole process is managed, any rejuvination should have the interest of the average citizen. Yes its laudable a multi billion shopping complex is built but hey the people cant afford, how has that empowered or reduced the poverty rate. The govt has only succeded in empowering the already empowered.

buluti:

Agreed Oluwole might have had a notorious antecedant.

The issue is the stupid way govt goes about this modernization. The story suggest that 2-3 years ago LSDPC officials came to take a list of all the existing residents and assured that they would be relocated before any demolition. 2-3 years later the govt has not completed the promised relocation, then commence demolition, fool where do you expect the people to go. Why then are we surprised that armed robbery is on the increase, its not rocket science buy sub machine guns for the police it wont solve anything as long as you don't empower people positively they will survive anyway, where govt philosophy is like the private sector, ignoring the social responsibilities, this is the nonsense we get.

Later we would say the pople don't listen that they would come back and hang around, people that ordinarily have no choice. I think its time lawyers start suing the govt and forcing them to do the right thing. Its really annoying, rejuvination is done worldwide, the result will depend on how the whole process is managed, any rejuvination should have the interest of the average citizen. Yes its laudable a multi billion shopping complex is built but hey the people can't afford, how has that empowered or reduced the poverty rate. The govt has only succeded in empowering the already empowered.

No constant power supply, blame the government!

No food on the table, blame the government!

No good clothes to wear, blame the government!

Armed robbers are on the increase, blame the government!

Houses are built without proper layout and design, blame the government!

Houses are demolished for a better environment, blame the government!

Masses are not relocated to a better place, blame the government!

We like being spoonfed in Nigeria! blame the government!

When would we ever start taking the blame for our failures?

Pain:

Trust me They Will Establish A New More Modern Colony. Its Big Business You Know?

Blame the government too for this? It is greedy Nigerians who make this business to thrive.

Its a step in the right deirection, for years i've wondered why Oluwole was allowed to exist when its a known fact that any document could be forged there, shouldn't the EFCC have paid them a visit ages ago?

As for the residents there the government should have found them places, u just don't chase people outta their houses/shops just like that.

Mr Pataki i'll partially agree with u on ur point about Nigerians being spoon fed, the government should have made alternative arrangements for these people or how would u feel if u were chased off ur home/shop without a replacement home?

this is an ugly way of doing the right thing,
relocate the people and bring down the place,not bulldozing houses when the tenarnts are sleeping.

@mrpataki

It's really amazing how you sometimes reason.

mrpataki:

No constant power supply, blame the government!

So whoelse it to be blamed for this?  The people?  Because, according to you, it is their own "failure"??

mrpataki:

No food on the table, blame the government!
No good clothes to wear, blame the government!
Armed robbers are on the increase, blame the government!
Houses are built without proper layout and design, blame the government!

In reality, the government is partly to be blamed for all these.

mrpataki:

Houses are demolished for a better environment, blame the government!
Masses are not relocated to a better place, blame the government!

And who else is to be blamed?  The people, for "allowing" the government to displace them of their legally occupied abode, all in the name of creating a better environment, without making any attempts to offer them alternatives??

chuckdee4:

Mr Pataki i'll partially agree with u on your point about Nigerians being spoon fed, the government should have made alternative arrangements for these people or how would u feel if u were chased off your home/shop without a replacement home?

Sir, there is a high degree of lawlessness in the country. It is well known fact. It is greedyness and selfishness that will make me to buy a plot of land on a property that I know should not be used for residential apartment.

If I were to be to chased off from my home due to the fact it is government property, I will accept the fact that I was stupid enough to buy such a land in the first place. But to now expect the government to spoon feed me, is ridiculous and an extension of my stupidity again!.

Purist:

@mrpataki

It's really amazing how you sometimes reason.

So whoelse it to be blamed for this? The people? Because, according to you, it is their own "failure"??

In reality, the government is partly to be blamed for all these.

And who else is to be blamed? The people, for "allowing" the government to displace them of their legally occupied abode, all in the name of creating a better environment, without making any attempts to offer them alternatives??

Do you as well reside in Oluwole? I knew you would be here.

You are right that the government is to be partly blamed, but to heap the whole blame on the government, bothers on how intelligent are we in Nigeria.

mrpataki:

Sir, there is a high degree of lawlessness in the country. It is well known fact. It is greedyness and selfishness that will make me to buy a plot of land on a property that I know should not be used for residential apartment.

If I were to be to chased off from my home due to the fact it is government property, I will accept the fact that I was stupid enough to buy such a land in the first place. But to now expect the government to spoon feed me, is ridiculous and an extension of my stupidity again!.

Okay i don't know how these lands were obtained, if they indeed were government property then i have no sympathy for them, especially if they knew they were obtaining government property b4 buying them.
About the governmnet being partly to blame, i would say the government are 60% to blame, Nigerians are the way they are becos of the government, back in the 60's during th eoil boom Nigerians weren't this lazy, in th ewords of Fela "This suffering will bring out the beast in us"

Even if the government gives fore warning to the residents - they will still cry out that they werent warned.

Its a pity i dont knw the place before its demolition!

Here is what the place is known for:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-1613.0.html

Mr. Pataki. For everything you've mentioned i wonder which we shouldnt blame the government for. Is it power, or policies that will increase the economic ability of our country and put food on our table, or oil money been lavished by the 20% up there, or security issues which directly relates to armed robbers who probably dont have jobs due to poor policies on youth empowerment or 628 million lavished by just 2 people in GOVERNMENT. I dont get wat responsibilities the people should bear when you have not given them the opportunity and adequate resources to perform and see if they would mess up.
It's a 70% socialist economy and a 30% capitalist economy, so who is in control.

Oluwole should be demolished but even a criminal has rights so y wont you inform or relocate ahead of time before demolition. Thats not governance, thats brutality. I dont work there and i dont support them, but let things be done the way they should be done. Cheers

Unless they can demolish peoples mind and feed there belly , the government are using complete appoach to solving common simple problem and will be complete waste of time plus selfishness of the people in Nigeria government.

Lagos state Govt. has manage to put all ibo boys in lagos out of business.  I wonder what they will do now.

Mr Bulutu!

Nice one! your contribution to this thread is simply fantastic and i just wished people of sound and reasonable mind like you could always contribute in most sensible Nairaland threads.

The Government is completely confused in Nigeria and they do NOT know what to focus on. If you go about amassing wealth to any level with a life expectancy rate of age 43, what do we call that? If the few people with money wont allow government policies to favor the vast poor majority, there will continue to be armed Robbers in the streets.

The fools in the seats of power should remember that a HUNGRYy man is an ANGRY man. I was robbed twice in nigeria twice before leaving the country and both times, there was serious anger in the tone of the armed robbers. They were angry at me becos they felt and they said " Nibi ti ebi ti n pawa ni iwo tin she fine boy abi?" i guess that meant where we are hungry, you are living well? This is what will happen from these kind of demolitions and senseless government policies; So many people in Oluwole are making a little money to keep their families out of the streets and now to keep up with that standard of living they will steal and possibly kill. I wish these armed robbers could leave out innocent people like us that managed to break out of poverty by personal struggle and are making a living by genuine work style.

All the various nuisancical trips which OBASANJO made to various developed countries, did he not learn anything to pass on to others in Government?  I could continue writing here and still nobody in government will change so i guess i should go back to my work, but like Femi Kuti said, " I sorry sorry o. I sorry for Nigeria!"

The People of Nigeria are 100% to blame for the situation in the Country. The Government only mirrors the prevalent thinking and mood in the country. We are the ones who refuse to send this people packing when they do wrong but instead resort to exploiting each other and then turning to blaming the government when it actual factual, we are the ones who REFUSED to exercise our right to demand and see to it that change occurs.

Hi KoboJunkie,

Its more like our fathers? that are to blame cos its their generation that has failed us. On the issue of putting those hawks in power, do you read the ECONOMIST? they completely laugh at Obasanjo and his team on the charade they called a election during the year. We dont do elections, we do seletion. Your votes are simply not counted. Its a shame cos i have voted here in London before during their election. Its all a genuine and open process. You register with the electoral role and later on during the election, you receive a form for you to vote for your prefered candidate with your unique reference number. In nigeria we still practise what these people did so many years ago. OPen Rigging is simply a slap to the integrity and Honor of the populace.

Its simply crazy becos if you or my humble self get there and decide to do it right, they could wipe you out!

Its Pathetic

You do not need to be a genius to know that so far, the Nigerian election system has not worked as it should. I am not calling for Nigerians to go out and keep doing just what they have been doing for years that has yet to help. We need to stand up and say ENOUGH!! STOP!! No MORE!!! If South Africans had decided to sit back and accepted aparthied, would that country be where it is today? Instead we go out to bilk the next man cause we feel the government is not doing a good job. It is not just our fathers, it is this current generation and any generation that tolerates the nonsense going on daily in that country.

@ mrpataki, i assume you were joking with your various responses, i was just waiting for you to continue vommiting your at best comedic philisophy . How can a govt not be held responsible for its action or inaction. Blame me for the power, Why should we even have a govt since you cant define the responsibilities of the state. Lets start from there, i ask you what is the purpose of government.

@ dasarge thanks for your input, i clearly understand where you are coming from,its so sad your experience and i know of so so so many cases like yours, its such actions like this example of the lagos state govt that has continued to worsen an already bad case. The police cannot solve the security problem, even with the most upright and best equipped super force the armed robbery rate will rise with such actions.

This selfish thinking that as long as it doesnt directly affect me, or that "they" are lawless is killing our society. Most times we live in our little worlds, i usually beg my sight tight in Nigeria friends to travel and live outside Nigeria a bit, and experience different environment and cultures.

Is this how the badagry plan will work out, always bad implementation of a good idea. The average citizen must be first, not everyone can or should go to school but every one should be given the opportunity for a better life.

We need to demand that our govt do the right things we must demand it.

Theres a beam of light in the tunnel, but its yet blinking we must ensure it stays. The lagos state govt should stop this particular nonsense, they should relocate the people properly and provide affordable trading alternatives before destroying where they are staying. A govt is not a private company, there is a social responsibility to their actions.

Sweet T:

Lagos state Govt. has manage to put all ibo boys in lagos out of business.   I wonder what they will do now.

hokus pokus

@ topic its a wellcome development IF implemeted.its one thing to SAY something in Nigeria,its another thing to DO it.i wud wait to see it being turned to shopping mall first and hope it wont be sold to one govt official or one  billionaire  

buluti:

@ mrpataki, i assume you were joking with your various responses, i was just waiting for you to continue vommiting your at best comedic philisophy . How can a govt not be held responsible for its action or inaction. Blame me for the power, Why should we even have a govt since you can't define the responsibilities of the state. Lets start from there, i ask you what is the purpose of government.

Buluti or whatever you name yourself as, I would rather implore you to stick to issues and avoid exchanging insults with me. If your house was demolished in Oluwole or your business suite, blame yourself, and dont transfer the aggression to this forum. Stick to issues and avoid personal attacks on your proponents!

I will ask you, what is the purpose of you as a citizen of Nigeria living in Nigeria? Are you waiting for the government to continually spoon-feed you?

When last did you hold yourself responsible for the actions and inactions of your daily living in Nigeria which goes against the constitution of Nigeria?

So easy to point accusing fingers at the government for every failure, while the citizenry are the most lawless beings ever.

even america rigged the last election or woulld you guys tell me Putin conducted a free and fair election in Russia . the point is electioneering process is synonimous goes with rigging anywhere in the world, but when eventually the so called elected get to the office, do they deliver?. i'll rather have a performing leader that was rigged into office than a woeful elected leader.

eko4show:

even america rigged the last election or woulld you guys tell me Putin conducted a free and fair election in Russia . the point is electioneering process is synonimous goes with rigging anywhere in the world, but when eventually the so called elected get to the office, do they deliver?. i'll rather have a performing leader that was rigged into office than a woeful elected leader.

Ok, you forced my hand here, get a life!!

eko4show:

even america rigged the last election or woulld you guys tell me Putin conducted a free and fair election in Russia . the point is electioneering process is synonimous goes with rigging anywhere in the world, but when eventually the so called elected get to the office, do they deliver?. i'll rather have a performing leader that was rigged into office than a woeful elected leader.

How does election riggingin either America or Russia involve the demolition of Oluwole?

I suggest the advice given by kobojunkie, kindly adhere to it please.

@ mrpataki, i fail to see where i insulted you or took issues personal, my reference to your philiosophy as "comedic" seems to be the issue, that remains my candid opinion.

For starters since you couldnt answer my questions. Let me answer yours. In the most basic terms my responsibility as a citizen is to act within the tenets of the law in all my endeavours i.e. be a law abiding citizen. It is the responsibility of the govt to enact the law, uphold the consitution and ensure the laws are obeyed by all. Such laws are promulgated in acts which empower the various tiers of govt.

The Govt designs policies at the macro level and the effect of this policies filter and affect the micro environment. What should my tax and other revenues be used for, if i shouldnt be spoon fed, then i shouldnt be taxed simple and the income from the oil in my village should be shared to me, but as long as i am taxed and that revenue is shared by the different tiers of govt, i expect the money to be utilised constructively.

I hold myself responsible for my actions and inaction and none goes against the consitution of Nigeria. I am not lawless and wont act in a lawless manner. Hey am civilised and educated mate, wake up.

The issue is simple the govt has a social responsibility to meet and that includes providing affordable accomodation directly or indirectly, this singular action is parallel to that responsibility. Its not about pointing accusing fingers, its about the govt waking up to its responsibilities.

NB: Please get yourself together and present your case, the spoon feeding falacy of yours again is comedic.

eko4show:

even america rigged the last election or woulld you guys tell me Putin conducted a free and fair election in Russia . the point is electioneering process is synonimous goes with rigging anywhere in the world, but when eventually the so called elected get to the office, do they deliver?. i'll rather have a performing leader that was rigged into office than a woeful elected leader.

off topiccccccccccccccccc pls.

the topic remains OLUWOLE DEMOLISHED TO MAKE WAY FOR A SHOPPING CENTER.

@ Buluti,

buluti:

@ mrpataki, i fail to see where i insulted you or took issues personal, my reference to your philiosophy as "comedic" seems to be the issue, that remains my candid opinion.

For starters since you couldnt answer my questions. Let me answer yours. In the most basic terms my responsibility as a citizen is to act within the tenets of the law in all my endeavours i.e. be a law abiding citizen. It is the responsibility of the govt to enact the law, uphold the consitution and ensure the laws are obeyed by all. Such laws are promulgated in acts which empower the various tiers of govt.

The Govt designs policies at the macro level and the effect of this policies filter and affect the micro environment. What should my tax and other revenues be used for, if i shouldnt be spoon fed, then i shouldnt be taxed simple and the income from the oil in my village should be shared to me, but as long as i am taxed and that revenue is shared by the different tiers of govt, i expect the money to be utilised constructively.

I hold myself responsible for my actions and inaction and none goes against the consitution of Nigeria. I am not lawless and wont act in a lawless manner. Hey am civilised and educated mate, wake up.

The issue is simple the govt has a social responsibility to meet and that includes providing affordable accomodation directly or indirectly, this singular action is parallel to that responsibility. Its not about pointing accusing fingers, its about the govt waking up to its responsibilities.

NB: Please get yourself together and present your case, the spoon feeding falacy of yours again is comedic.

The basic function of a responsible government is to provide its citizenry the basic amenities of life which include, food water, shelter, good road, good job opportunities etc. It is the duty of the citizenry to ensure it is rightly maintained and used in the proper channel.

You are here talking about tax. How many Nigerians pay tax? It is easy for Nigerians to incorporate the Western civilization into daily issues of the country, failing to realise that the main problem is with the citizenry itself.

mrpataki:

@ Buluti,
The basic function of a responsible government is to provide its citizenry the basic amenities of life which include, food water, shelter, good road, good job opportunities etc. It is the duty of the citizenry to ensure it is rightly maintained and used in the proper channel.

You are here talking about tax. How many Nigerians pay tax? It is easy for Nigerians to incorporate the Western civilization into daily issues of the country, failing to realise that the main problem is with the citizenry itself.

Now we are getting somewhere, where has the government provided the basic amenities you mentioned, shelter, good roads, job opportunities, where

It can not be the duty of the citizens to maintain infrastructures, it may be the duty of the citizens to ensure they are used properly and not vandalised, but in maintanace the govt has that duty, either it decides to do it directly or indirectly it is the duty of the appropriate tier of govt to maintain, eg roads how can the citizen maintain roads?

My reference to tax, should be revenue, be it tax or income form crude oil or whatever source, theres revenue accruing to govt, what is it been used for. And talking about tax, salary earners pay tax, the FIRS is constatntly expanding its tax base, so we can/should start talking about how our taxes are utilised.

What is the money spent on?

this is exactly what happened in Abuja.how can you just wake up one day and decide to chase people from where they make a living.
it might be easier if there's an agreement between both parties,after the complex has been built,people that were there before will be the first to be allocated and monies are paid in installments or over a couple of years but no way,its to the highest bidder.
i have a problem with the revenue generation drive of lagos state.it is totally anti-people.
and i support the fact that if i pay tax,then the govt must provide basic infrastructures for my use.

and somebody was saying how many nigerians pay tax,take a trip to oluwole and ask around if they are not harassed week in,week out by govt officials.