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Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 4:01pm On Aug 05, 2012
kalauta: You may have been born in South Africa but you heritage is European and I'm sure you understand that fully well. You don't have a homeland in South Africa, you've been living on Black lands all the while. You can keep lying and deceiving yourself that you have a homeland in South Africa but the fact of the matter is that you are an European in Africa. You need to retrace your steps back to the regions of Europe where you originated from. DNA testing can offer much assistance, by the way.

I've lived 20 years, studied and worked in the U.S.A. I studied American history and it's a known fact that English colonists were by far the overwhelming majority responsible for stealing lands and murdering off the native Americans. The French may have founded colonies in North America, Caribbean Islands and South America but the fact of the matter remains that English colonist committed the major atrocities that destroyed the Native Americas. Irrespective of that, the fact remains that French, Spanish, Dutch are all Europeans, period! The blood of the Aborigines, Native Americans, Tainos, Black South Africans, etc cry to the highest heavens against the atrocities committed by Europeans for centuries.

Same land grabbing techniques you used in America and Australia is the same your ancestors used in South Africa. Talking about AIDS, you white in South Africa were behind the whole genocide strategy of eliminating the Blacks from their lands. Brings to mind the same tactics your ancestors used to kill of the Native Indians, Aborigines, Tainos e.t.c via introduction of diseases to wipe out the indigenous population.

Fact of the matter is this:
Your ancestors embarked on a deliberate journey to South Africa and settled on lands that never belonged to them in the first place.
Your ancestors settled on Black lands.
Your ancestors grabbed lands from the Blacks and made them second class citizens in their own land.
Your people ran an apartheid government for several decades
Your people murdered Blacks and subjugated them to sub-human treatments.
Your people enacted laws to alienate the owners of the land in South Africa to become aliens in their own lands. I could go on and on for days on the atrocities you people have committed against the owners of the region known as South Africa. Bloody unrepentant swine eaters. angry



No my heritage is not european. My ancestors may have came from there but has some body who studded history tou should know every group has migrated at some point in there history. So if my home land is not south africa where is it. Find another land that will accepted us immediately has there lost brothers. Go head I will wait. My forefathers where english, Scottish, dutch and German so ask one of those four if they see us has there citizens.

So you can life and work in a land where you the minority but not me. You are a hypocrite.



We never created AIDS hell even the ANC run court let the doctor in charge of the Bio/chemical weapons department(witch is still operating in a sense) off the hook. Yes there where shadow agents that test bio weapons on prisoners and there was a plan to use them if there was a fool rebellion. But why would the apartheid regime weaken there work force. So unless you can bring proof from a good source don't post lies.

Yes we deliberately moved here just like the zulu kingdom did they all so migrated south after land. That they then took by force. How is there tail any different. And I never voted for apartheid I never created those laws don't blame me for the actions of others and then complain when I say all people from nigeria are drug dealing 419 conartists hypocrite. If you belief that africa belongs to the blacks then come back home and leave the lands of your enemy. But you won't because you a hypocrite

And yes I eat pork so do most south africans. It is pretty tasty.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 4:01pm On Aug 05, 2012
kalauta: You may have been born in South Africa but you heritage is European and I'm sure you understand that fully well. You don't have a homeland in South Africa, you've been living on Black lands all the while. You can keep lying and deceiving yourself that you have a homeland in South Africa but the fact of the matter is that you are an European in Africa. You need to retrace your steps back to the regions of Europe where you originated from. DNA testing can offer much assistance, by the way.

I've lived 20 years, studied and worked in the U.S.A. I studied American history and it's a known fact that English colonists were by far the overwhelming majority responsible for stealing lands and murdering off the native Americans. The French may have founded colonies in North America, Caribbean Islands and South America but the fact of the matter remains that English colonist committed the major atrocities that destroyed the Native Americas. Irrespective of that, the fact remains that French, Spanish, Dutch are all Europeans, period! The blood of the Aborigines, Native Americans, Tainos, Black South Africans, etc cry to the highest heavens against the atrocities committed by Europeans for centuries.

Same land grabbing techniques you used in America and Australia is the same your ancestors used in South Africa. Talking about AIDS, you white in South Africa were behind the whole genocide strategy of eliminating the Blacks from their lands. Brings to mind the same tactics your ancestors used to kill of the Native Indians, Aborigines, Tainos e.t.c via introduction of diseases to wipe out the indigenous population.

Fact of the matter is this:
Your ancestors embarked on a deliberate journey to South Africa and settled on lands that never belonged to them in the first place.
Your ancestors settled on Black lands.
Your ancestors grabbed lands from the Blacks and made them second class citizens in their own land.
Your people ran an apartheid government for several decades
Your people murdered Blacks and subjugated them to sub-human treatments.
Your people enacted laws to alienate the owners of the land in South Africa to become aliens in their own lands. I could go on and on for days on the atrocities you people have committed against the owners of the region known as South Africa. Bloody unrepentant swine eaters. angry



No my heritage is not european. My ancestors may have came from there but has some body who studded history tou should know every group has migrated at some point in there history. So if my home land is not south africa where is it. Find another land that will accepted us immediately has there lost brothers. Go head I will wait. My forefathers where english, Scottish, dutch and German so ask one of those four if they see us has there citizens.

So you can life and work in a land where you the minority but not me. You are a hypocrite.



We never created AIDS hell even the ANC run court let the doctor in charge of the Bio/chemical weapons department(witch is still operating in a sense) off the hook. Yes there where shadow agents that test bio weapons on prisoners and there was a plan to use them if there was a fool rebellion. But why would the apartheid regime weaken there work force. So unless you can bring proof from a good source don't post lies.

Yes we deliberately moved here just like the zulu kingdom did they all so migrated south after land. That they then took by force. How is there tail any different. And I never voted for apartheid I never created those laws don't blame me for the actions of others and then complain when I say all people from nigeria are drug dealing 419 conartists hypocrite. If you belief that africa belongs to the blacks then come back home and leave the lands of your enemy. But you won't because you a hypocrite

And yes I eat pork so do most south africans. It is pretty tasty.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by kalauta: 8:38pm On Aug 05, 2012
Bloody hypocrite, for starters I am glad that you admitted your forefathers were English, Scottish, Dutch and German. This proves your heritage is European. Now, I'd advise you and your people to petition one of those 4 countries to take you back. As a matter of fact, you lot should ask any of those 4 countries for land so you can build your Afrikaner nation there. That you were born in South Africa does not mean you are of African heritage.

As for me working abroad in the U.S.A, I've worked and schooled here but also have businesses in Africa (including South Africa) which is why I travel back and forth as I please. You on the other hand has lived on foreign land for centuries and have refused to go back to Europe. The difference between me and you whites in South Africa is that I understand that I'm foreigner in the U.S.A and I never ask for the American government to give me or other Africans land to build a nation. As for you whites in South Africa, you killed and chase the owners of the land and subject them to racism and apartheid. To add insult upon injury, you foreigners are asking for land to build your own nation in a foreign land just like the Israeli government did in Palestine in 1948.

You claimed you never supported Apartheid (like most white hypocrites do) but you refused to fight it. Well, if you didn't support Apartheid, why didn't you fight against it? Whether you admit it or not, you benefited from Apartheid and enriched yourselves while the black owners of the land of South Africa were left poor and discriminated against. You have built on lands that never belonged to you. You took the best lands for yourselves.

How dare you compare Apartheid to 419, drug dealing, etc. Apartheid is a government system designed to steal, murder and discriminate against Black people in their own land. All you white benefited from it for several decades. 419 and drug dealings are done by a group of individuals and is not tied to the federal government.

As a matter of fact, I'd rather be a friend of a 419er than a blood thirsty, men and children murdering, women Molesting, land grabbing, Apartheid segregationists like you and your ancestors. Furthermore, you Europeans are the masters of scams, so I guess the Nigerian 419er learnt from the best. Till today, you whites in South Africa are still scamming the Black people of South Africa and still trying to steal their lands, minerals and resources. You Whites created a drug industry as well which is why you invented cocaine, heroine, meths, etc.

As for AIDs, you whites have used it to control black population every where in the world. As it is in the U.S.A, so it is in South Africa. South Africa didn't have AIDs until the 80's proving you lot used it as a new method of population control. You people will not stop trying to destroy the Black people.
All black people have the CCR5 delta 2 positive gene. They are hundreds of times more likely to contract HIV than white people. The HIV virus did not come from monkeys. HIV is identical to the ESP-1 virus, derived from a sheep virus in Iceland, developed under the US Special Virus Program.

Check out US House Resolution 15090 page 193. The government got $10 million to develop a “synthetic biological agent” to “deplete the immune system”.
But there is a cure they don’t want you to know about! Check uspto.gov (the US Patent and Trademark Organization website) and search for US patent number 5676977.

I'm glad you admitted you are a swine eating European, it's in your DNA. Your minds and thoughts are just as dirty and polluted as that of the dirty pigs you devour on a daily basis

You are not African, you are an European. Go back to Europe and build your nation there, bloody swine eater.



andrewza:

No my heritage is not european. My ancestors may have came from there but has some body who studded history tou should know every group has migrated at some point in there history. So if my home land is not south africa where is it. Find another land that will accepted us immediately has there lost brothers. Go head I will wait. My forefathers where english, Scottish, dutch and German so ask one of those four if they see us has there citizens.

So you can life and work in a land where you the minority but not me. You are a hypocrite.



We never created AIDS hell even the ANC run court let the doctor in charge of the Bio/chemical weapons department(witch is still operating in a sense) off the hook. Yes there where shadow agents that test bio weapons on prisoners and there was a plan to use them if there was a fool rebellion. But why would the apartheid regime weaken there work force. So unless you can bring proof from a good source don't post lies.

Yes we deliberately moved here just like the zulu kingdom did they all so migrated south after land. That they then took by force. How is there tail any different. And I never voted for apartheid I never created those laws don't blame me for the actions of others and then complain when I say all people from nigeria are drug dealing 419 conartists hypocrite. If you belief that africa belongs to the blacks then come back home and leave the lands of your enemy. But you won't because you a hypocrite

And yes I eat pork so do most south africans. It is pretty tasty.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 11:49pm On Aug 05, 2012
kalauta: Bloody hypocrite, for starters I am glad that you admitted your forefathers were English, Scottish, Dutch and German. This proves your heritage is European. Now, I'd advise you and your people to petition one of those 4 countries to take you back. As a matter of fact, you lot should ask any of those 4 countries for land so you can build your Afrikaner nation there. That you were born in South Africa does not mean you are of African heritage.

As for me working abroad in the U.S.A, I've worked and schooled here but also have businesses in Africa (including South Africa) which is why I travel back and forth as I please. You on the other hand has lived on foreign land for centuries and have refused to go back to Europe. The difference between me and you whites in South Africa is that I understand that I'm foreigner in the U.S.A and I never ask for the American government to give me or other Africans land to build a nation. As for you whites in South Africa, you killed and chase the owners of the land and subject them to racism and apartheid. To add insult upon injury, you foreigners are asking for land to build your own nation in a foreign land just like the Israeli government did in Palestine in 1948.

You claimed you never supported Apartheid (like most white hypocrites do) but you refused to fight it. Well, if you didn't support Apartheid, why didn't you fight against it? Whether you admit it or not, you benefited from Apartheid and enriched yourselves while the black owners of the land of South Africa were left poor and discriminated against. You have built on lands that never belonged to you. You took the best lands for yourselves.

How dare you compare Apartheid to 419, drug dealing, etc. Apartheid is a government system designed to steal, murder and discriminate against Black people in their own land. All you white benefited from it for several decades. 419 and drug dealings are done by a group of individuals and is not tied to the federal government.

As a matter of fact, I'd rather be a friend of a 419er than a blood thirsty, men and children murdering, women Molesting, land grabbing, Apartheid segregationists like you and your ancestors. Furthermore, you Europeans are the masters of scams, so I guess the Nigerian 419er learnt from the best. Till today, you whites in South Africa are still scamming the Black people of South Africa and still trying to steal their lands, minerals and resources. You Whites created a drug industry as well which is why you invented cocaine, heroine, meths, etc.

As for AIDs, you whites have used it to control black population every where in the world. As it is in the U.S.A, so it is in South Africa. South Africa didn't have AIDs until the 80's proving you lot used it as a new method of population control. You people will not stop trying to destroy the Black people.
All black people have the CCR5 delta 2 positive gene. They are hundreds of times more likely to contract HIV than white people. The HIV virus did not come from monkeys. HIV is identical to the ESP-1 virus, derived from a sheep virus in Iceland, developed under the US Special Virus Program.

Check out US House Resolution 15090 page 193. The government got $10 million to develop a “synthetic biological agent” to “deplete the immune system”.
But there is a cure they don’t want you to know about! Check uspto.gov (the US Patent and Trademark Organization website) and search for US patent number 5676977.

I'm glad you admitted you are a swine eating European, it's in your DNA. Your minds and thoughts are just as dirty and polluted as that of the dirty pigs you devour on a daily basis

You are not African, you are an European. Go back to Europe and build your nation there, bloody swine eater.




Why should I petition them. For one thing I don't know those countries and I don't want to move there that is not my land. And do you think they would welcome us there we not them we are south african. And yes I have african heritage I was born here and I grew up here. I know this land. And why can't I live here but you can live in America you are true hypocrite you not even a true african but want to tell me what to do what right do you have to tell me.

I never asked for land either a buntch of extremist racist asked knowing the answer would be no.

Why you bring israel in to this. And why mention 1948 with the. Yes they took the land there was a war they did not start that war but they sure did win it. Not my fault your fellow Muslim friends the Arabs lost so badly.

I never supported them but that dose not mean I support the opposition either. I am solder(sailor) I follow the government of the day I really don't care who the top man is. Has long has he let's me stay in africa I will fight for him. That what we do.


I never compared the to. I asked how you could blame a every body for the action of a few. That what you doing. I do not see every one from nigeria has a 419er or drug dealer but you see every white man has evil incarnate. You have a lot of hate. Strange sence your religion teaches peace and harmony.



South africa did not know what AIDS really was till the 1980s. So it could have been there for a much longer period of time. And has I said there where measures in place to stop a full scale assault and part of it was the use of WMD's. It was never needed there fore never used.

Actually pigs are pretty clean. And it is one of the most popular meat products in SA it is cheap and not chicken.


I am more African than you.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by kalauta: 1:10am On Aug 06, 2012
No, you're not African, you are European! You look like the white man from England, Netherlands, Germany, etc. Everything about you including your DNA shows you are a full blooded European despite the fact that you were born in South Africa.

You just exposed your foolishness by stating you are more African than a full blooded Nigerian, LOL. I can trace my ancestors and heritage all the way back to over a thousand years, I bet you can't. grin

You are one pretty funny dude, though. grin. It's even funnier because you are assuming I'm a Muslim, LOL. FYI, the state of Israel was instituted by Europe and America because they wanted a place for the fake jews to call a homeland even though the land never belonged to them in the first place. I can see you're not too good with world history so I won't fault you for that.

Do you support those asking for a separate land for the Afrikaner nation in South Africa just as those white supremacists?
Again, you are assuming that I feel all white people are evil incarnate. That is not my position. What i absolutely hate is white Supremacists who think they have a sense of entitlement and feel they have superior powers over the black man fate or that of any other race for that matter.

Stay away from the swine bro, it's bad for your health. We don't want any more swine flu viruses in Africa. Pigs carry trichina worms, neurocysticercosis, amongst other diseases.



andrewza:

Why should I petition them. For one thing I don't know those countries and I don't want to move there that is not my land. And do you think they would welcome us there we not them we are south african. And yes I have african heritage I was born here and I grew up here. I know this land. And why can't I live here but you can live in America you are true hypocrite you not even a true african but want to tell me what to do what right do you have to tell me.

I never asked for land either a buntch of extremist racist asked knowing the answer would be no.

Why you bring israel in to this. And why mention 1948 with the. Yes they took the land there was a war they did not start that war but they sure did win it. Not my fault your fellow Muslim friends the Arabs lost so badly.

I never supported them but that dose not mean I support the opposition either. I am solder(sailor) I follow the government of the day I really don't care who the top man is. Has long has he let's me stay in africa I will fight for him. That what we do.


I never compared the to. I asked how you could blame a every body for the action of a few. That what you doing. I do not see every one from nigeria has a 419er or drug dealer but you see every white man has evil incarnate. You have a lot of hate. Strange sence your religion teaches peace and harmony.



South africa did not know what AIDS really was till the 1980s. So it could have been there for a much longer period of time. And has I said there where measures in place to stop a full scale assault and part of it was the use of WMD's. It was never needed there fore never used.

Actually pigs are pretty clean. And it is one of the most popular meat products in SA it is cheap and not chicken.


I am more African than you.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 1:34am On Aug 06, 2012
kalauta: No, you're not African, you are European! You look like the white man from England, Netherlands, Germany, etc. Everything about you including your DNA shows you are a full blooded European despite the fact that you were born in South Africa.

You just exposed your foolishness by stating you are more African than a full blooded Nigerian, LOL. I can trace my ancestors and heritage all the way back to over a thousand years, I bet you can't. grin

You are one pretty funny dude, though. grin. It's even funnier because you are assuming I'm a Muslim, LOL. FYI, the state of Israel was instituted by Europe and America because they wanted a place for the fake jews to call a homeland even though the land never belonged to them in the first place. I can see you're not too good with world history so I won't fault you for that.

Do you support those asking for a separate land for the Afrikaner nation in South Africa just as those white supremacists?

Stay away from the swine bro, it's bad for your health. We don't want any more swine flu viruses in Africa. Pigs carry trichina worms, neurocysticercosis, amongst other diseases.




My blood is that of a african. I care nothing for europe or the west.

I am more african than any body living out side of africa. And I can't even trace my roots back 200 years actually all leads stop in africa.

I got it wrong. The no pork eating and jew bashing are normally signs but sighs can be miss leading.

I don't care about your personal views on Israel has it has no basis in this thread let's just leave it that we will all ways disagree. I just founded it strange you brought up the 1948 war in comparison with the european rush for africa. They nothing alike. I mean you could compare the occupation to apartheid there is truth there but not the war its self.

No I don't. And if legally ordered to I would gladly put them down. I have more love for the ANC than them.

Swine flue is over hyped. More people die from the normal flue. And it all about where you buy it and cooking it properly. I have never met any body that gotten sick from the pork. Any case I don't have a choice I eat what I get given and has I said pork is cheap.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by TerryCarr(m): 1:59am On Aug 06, 2012
the swine flu came from Mexico
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by morpheus24: 7:12pm On Aug 06, 2012
andrewza:

My blood is that of a african. I care nothing for europe or the west.

I am more african than any body living out side of africa. And I can't even trace my roots back 200 years actually all leads stop in africa.

I got it wrong. The no pork eating and jew bashing are normally signs but sighs can be miss leading.

I don't care about your personal views on Israel has it has no basis in this thread let's just leave it that we will all ways disagree. I just founded it strange you brought up the 1948 war in comparison with the european rush for africa. They nothing alike. I mean you could compare the occupation to apartheid there is truth there but not the war its self.

No I don't. And if legally ordered to I would gladly put them down. I have more love for the ANC than them.

Swine flue is over hyped. More people die from the normal flue. And it all about where you buy it and cooking it properly. I have never met any body that gotten sick from the pork. Any case I don't have a choice I eat what I get given and has I said pork is cheap.

@ andrewza

I will agree that you are African in in many terms excluding bio-geographical adaptation. The problem with the perception of indigenous/native Africans is the fact that the settlers who came into Africa that spawned your present peoples came in as agitators and not cooperative settlers. Therefore the history carries over up until today.

When the settlers/boers had founded the republic of the transval and the orange free state they already created the nations that would have been condusive to propagate your culture and way of life. However European culture brings with it the desire of conquest, exploitation of resources and greed, which is why once these nations were formed the desire to control a larger mass of land and resources was inticing for a mere population of about 4 million White people that could more than make due with the regions they had captured for the homeland. Zulu incursions to the south are not comparable so don't use it.

Post the end of world war II. The Afrikaner nationalists convinced the peoples that they could control the entirety of what is known as South Africa today and scatter the remaining natives into Bantustans/Homelands within the country to act as a proxy working/slave class within an adopted western style Capitalist system. Again the problem became the numbers of natives vs the Settlers and so a propaganda of self hate and self loathing was employed which caused significatn psychological damage on the natives, ergo the beginnings of the struggle for political and economic emancipation.

In my opinion, white settlers had their chance to get their own land and seperate from the natives but they didn't. The country's philisophy has chosen otherwise and have decided to move forward as a PEOPLE. Anyone asking for any seperation at this point in time is unreasonable and should immediately emigrate to Europe if white or leave South Africa if black/colored/Asian
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by TerryCarr(m): 7:49pm On Aug 06, 2012
morpheus24:
@ andrewza

I will agree that you are African in in many terms excluding bio-geographical adaptation. The problem with the perception of indigenous/native Africans is the fact that the settlers who came into Africa that spawned your present peoples came in as agitators and not cooperative settlers. Therefore the history carries over up until today.

When the settlers/boers had founded the republic of the transval and the orange free state they already created the nations that would have been condusive to propagate your culture and way of life. However European culture brings with it the desire of conquest, exploitation of resources and greed, which is why once these nations were formed the desire to control a larger mass of land and resources was inticing for a mere population of about 4 million White people that could more than make due with the regions they had captured for the homeland. Zulu incursions to the south are not comparable so don't use it.

Post the end of world war II. The Afrikaner nationalists convinced the peoples that they could control the entirety of what is known as South Africa today and scatter the remaining natives into Bantustans/Homelands within the country to act as a proxy working/slave class within an adopted western style Capitalist system. Again the problem became the numbers of natives vs the Settlers and so a propaganda of self hate and self loathing was employed which caused significatn psychological damage on the natives, ergo the beginnings of the struggle for political and economic emancipation.

In my opinion, white settlers had their chance to get their own land and seperate from the natives but they didn't. The country's philisophy has chosen otherwise and have decided to move forward as a PEOPLE. Anyone asking for any seperation at this point in time is unreasonable and should immediately emigrate to Europe if white or leave South Africa if black/colored/Asian



the British took over the whole place
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by TerryCarr(m): 8:06pm On Aug 06, 2012
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 8:52pm On Aug 06, 2012
morpheus24:
@ andrewza

I will agree that you are African in in many terms excluding bio-geographical adaptation. The problem with the perception of indigenous/native Africans is the fact that the settlers who came into Africa that spawned your present peoples came in as agitators and not cooperative settlers. Therefore the history carries over up until today.

When the settlers/boers had founded the republic of the transval and the orange free state they already created the nations that would have been condusive to propagate your culture and way of life. However European culture brings with it the desire of conquest, exploitation of resources and greed, which is why once these nations were formed the desire to control a larger mass of land and resources was inticing for a mere population of about 4 million White people that could more than make due with the regions they had captured for the homeland. Zulu incursions to the south are not comparable so don't use it.

Post the end of world war II. The Afrikaner nationalists convinced the peoples that they could control the entirety of what is known as South Africa today and scatter the remaining natives into Bantustans/Homelands within the country to act as a proxy working/slave class within an adopted western style Capitalist system. Again the problem became the numbers of natives vs the Settlers and so a propaganda of self hate and self loathing was employed which caused significatn psychological damage on the natives, ergo the beginnings of the struggle for political and economic emancipation.

In my opinion, white settlers had their chance to get their own land and seperate from the natives but they didn't. The country's philisophy has chosen otherwise and have decided to move forward as a PEOPLE. Anyone asking for any seperation at this point in time is unreasonable and should immediately emigrate to Europe if white or leave South Africa if black/colored/Asian




I just about agree with every thing you say. I still believe the zulu where incredibly warlike and if they had european technology (aka guns) would have taken over most of southern africa.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 8:52pm On Aug 06, 2012
morpheus24:
@ andrewza

I will agree that you are African in in many terms excluding bio-geographical adaptation. The problem with the perception of indigenous/native Africans is the fact that the settlers who came into Africa that spawned your present peoples came in as agitators and not cooperative settlers. Therefore the history carries over up until today.

When the settlers/boers had founded the republic of the transval and the orange free state they already created the nations that would have been condusive to propagate your culture and way of life. However European culture brings with it the desire of conquest, exploitation of resources and greed, which is why once these nations were formed the desire to control a larger mass of land and resources was inticing for a mere population of about 4 million White people that could more than make due with the regions they had captured for the homeland. Zulu incursions to the south are not comparable so don't use it.

Post the end of world war II. The Afrikaner nationalists convinced the peoples that they could control the entirety of what is known as South Africa today and scatter the remaining natives into Bantustans/Homelands within the country to act as a proxy working/slave class within an adopted western style Capitalist system. Again the problem became the numbers of natives vs the Settlers and so a propaganda of self hate and self loathing was employed which caused significatn psychological damage on the natives, ergo the beginnings of the struggle for political and economic emancipation.

In my opinion, white settlers had their chance to get their own land and seperate from the natives but they didn't. The country's philisophy has chosen otherwise and have decided to move forward as a PEOPLE. Anyone asking for any seperation at this point in time is unreasonable and should immediately emigrate to Europe if white or leave South Africa if black/colored/Asian




I just about agree with every thing you say. I still believe the zulu where incredibly warlike and if they had european technology (aka guns) would have taken over most of southern africa.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by TerryCarr(m): 9:57pm On Aug 06, 2012
andrewza:

I just about agree with every thing you say. I still believe the zulu where incredibly warlike and if they had european technology (aka guns) would have taken over most of southern africa.
i don't think so because Shaka Zulu the man who created the kingdom was killed. here is the kingdom in 1890
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by morpheus24: 10:14pm On Aug 06, 2012
andrewza:

I just about agree with every thing you say. I still believe the zulu where incredibly warlike and if they had european technology (aka guns) would have taken over most of southern africa.

The difference with the warlike incursions of the zulu was that they fully integrated the people they subdued so there was a blending of cultures as it is evident in other tribes who assimulated naturally or through minor conquests in Africa. They did not institute social stratifications that breed animosity because a majority of African cultures where already communal in nature/nuture.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by morpheus24: 10:19pm On Aug 06, 2012
TerryCarr: the British took over the whole place

Technically the british did not. Those two states/countries existed with a strong administration of the territory. There was even a forced amalgamation that was attempted to make the region stronger but it failed due to differing ideas by the two boer republics.

When the british left the administration in the cape and upper south Africa could have carved out a nation of their own at that point in time and left the native Africans to their faith but ofcourse it is more advantageous to subdue than to negotiate because of a percieved sense of cultural superiority and possibly the fear that the newly formed African nations might War or allow hostile incursions from the enemies of the state.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by TerryCarr(m): 10:24pm On Aug 06, 2012
morpheus24:

The difference with the warlike incursions of the zulu was that they fully integrated the people they subdued so there was a blending of cultures as it is evident in other tribes who assimulated naturally or through minor conquests in Africa. They did not institute social stratifications that breed animosity because a majority of African cultures where already communal in nature/nuture.
very true smiley
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 11:01pm On Aug 06, 2012
morpheus24:

The difference with the warlike incursions of the zulu was that they fully integrated the people they subdued so there was a blending of cultures as it is evident in other tribes who assimulated naturally or through minor conquests in Africa. They did not institute social stratifications that breed animosity because a majority of African cultures where already communal in nature/nuture.


Never said it would be a Apartheid system or a slave nation. But if they where not stopped (not saying they need to be either) by a stronger british and Boer force they would have created a strong untied kingdom. The Zulu where the greatest African tribe in the region the only African force to have defeated a British Army in the field using mainly local weapons. There kingdom was actually never destroyed there is still a zulu king though he holds no real power any more.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by morpheus24: 11:19pm On Aug 06, 2012
andrewza:


Never said it would be a Apartheid system or a slave nation. But if they where not stopped (not saying they need to be either) by a stronger british and Boer force they would have created a strong untied kingdom. The Zulu where the greatest African tribe in the region the only African force to have defeated a British Army in the field using mainly local weapons. There kingdom was actually never destroyed there is still a zulu king though he holds no real power any more.

A masterful warrior clan in Southern Africa, I agree( mcuh of that zeal carries over to the people till today), however in general African technological terms, they would have paled in comparison to other African groups in terms of their ability to win wars, and would have been defeated likewise. The nations they attacked were fairly peaceful peoples. THe Zulu would have not defeated the Shongai empires of the Sahel or even the Menda in West Africa who had similar warlike peoples.

Their defeat over the British was more of a strategic physical advantage in terms of highlands vs lowlands.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 12:56am On Aug 07, 2012
The Shongai where a lot more advanced I will give you that. Don't know if they where has aggrieve or warlike though. Remember the goths, huns and vandals both threatened the roman empire 2 of those groups sacked rome itself. So advanced powers can fall to a more war like group. But I doubt the Zulu would have tried to fight them. There where better lands and weaker people to the south and west. But this is just my speculation.

They had a lot of advantages in there win over the british a big one was that the british underestimated them. They did not repeat that a second time.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by Kenyaphilia: 9:53pm On Aug 09, 2012
TerryCarr: [center]Volkstaat[/center]

should they get there own nation?
I don't know whether white South Africans realize that they could still have achieved relative prosperity and peace with black South Africans without having to resort to one of the most dehumanizing systems the world has ever seen, but then white South Africans are not like other Europeans. I have interacted with a lot of whites including South African whites. One thing I realize is that the South African whites, or the Afrikaners, tend to be narrow minded.Like the blacks, the Afrikaners also have a persecution complex. each of these groups think they are persecuting each other grin But they are hardworking people, I give them that. They are also brutish, unlike other European and speak very arrogantly grin You will also agree with me that the South African blacks are some of the most brutish and backward Africans. I hope you have seen the zeal with which they kill not just whites but other Africans whom they refer as " darkies"(sic). I think these two people were made for one another, let them live together and battle it out grin

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Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by morpheus24: 10:27pm On Aug 09, 2012
Kenyaphilia:
I don't know whether white South Africans realize that they could still have achieved relative prosperity and peace with black South Africans without having to resort to one of the most dehumanizing systems the world has ever seen, but then white South Africans are not like other Europeans. I have interacted with a lot of whites including South African whites. One thing I realize is that the South African whites, or the Afrikaners, tend to be narrow minded.Like the blacks, the Afrikaners also have a persecution complex. each of these groups think they are persecuting each other grin But they are hardworking people, I give them that. They are also brutish, unlike other European and speak very arrogantly grin You will also agree with me that the South African blacks are some of the most brutish and backward Africans. I hope you have seen the zeal with which they kill not just whites but other Africans whom they refer as " darkies"(sic). I think these two people were made for one another, let them live together and battle it out grin

The older Afrikaaners are very brutish cause they had free rain to brutalize their fellow black south africans with no opposition so its hard to let go of that attitude when the rest of the world is moving on but some of the younger generation are a lot better cause they grew up in a more enlightened time.

it will take time.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by Nobody: 2:44am On Aug 10, 2012
Kenyaphilia:
I don't know whether white South Africans realize that they could still have achieved relative prosperity and peace with black South Africans without having to resort to one of the most dehumanizing systems the world has ever seen, but then white South Africans are not like other Europeans. I have interacted with a lot of whites including South African whites. One thing I realize is that the South African whites, or the Afrikaners, tend to be narrow minded.Like the blacks, the Afrikaners also have a persecution complex. each of these groups think they are persecuting each other grin But they are hardworking people, I give them that. They are also brutish, unlike other European and speak very arrogantly grin You will also agree with me that the South African blacks are some of the most brutish and backward Africans. I hope you have seen the zeal with which they kill not just whites but other Africans whom they refer as " darkies"(sic). I think these two people were made for one another, let them live together and battle it out grin

I seriously hate to generalize but let's keep it real, Black South Africans are not much different from white south africans which is why i call them the "shame of Africa". Very xenophobic ppl.

You would think after apartheid they'd get their shyt together. It's messed up what they are doing to the Zimbabwean nationals who have the unfortunate luck of living within their borders. undecided

As far as I am concerned white SAs with the mentalities of their forefathers need to take their azzes to Europe and the black South Africans who mistreat immigrants should be made into examples and persecuted by law with no mercy.

But then again, we do not live in a perfect world. tongue Anyway, I have no plans to visit South Africa...nothing will change my mind...not even a million dollar check.. tongue








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Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by TerryCarr(m): 4:39pm On Aug 15, 2012
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by morpheus24: 6:02pm On Aug 15, 2012
^^ that dude reeinderr is old school on youtube. His stuff was like in 2006 and 2007. He is a closet racist.

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Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by Neuen: 12:09pm On Jan 31, 2013
Hi I am new to the forum and I came across this article jumping around on Google. I am from South Africa and I am of mixed race. My mother is colored and my dad is white. They were living in Apartheid and were effected by the some of the laws.

But there is a terrible misconception by the rest of the world about Apartheid. 1948 - 1990.

Well that is false. Apartheid were not started by the Afrikaner/Boer/Dutchman. They were also murdered and imprisoned and 30000 of them killed in concentration camps by the British. All the farms were burned down. The dutchman did not go around and chased the tribes of their land. They went to the chiefs and bought or traded land from the chiefs. The arrangement between Dingaan and Piet Retief still exist to this day.
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Everyone know the battle between them and Dingaan afterwards because Dingaan murdered them. But they help other Zulu tribes defeat Dingaan. Finally when Dingaan were defeated and piece was made with the Zulu's the Boers biggest enemy hoisted their flag in Natal. This was like 200 years ago. Everywhere they go the British just came and took the lands for them. Then the Xhosa tribes lost most of their land to the British because their chief had a premonition and they burned down most of their homes and killed 85 percent of their live stock with the Great Cattle killings. They had to go search other parts of South Africa for food as they were starving. The British took their lands. The Boers finally started to fight back.

20,000 Dutch/Boer warrior farmers who didnt even have a National Army, came close to defeating over 250,000 professionally trained British Soldiers, but eventually lost the war to Zionist/Rothschild controlled Britain who engaged in such inhumane tactics such as their Scorched Earth (burning down the peoples homes) and murder through concentration camp policies. The Dutch/Boer people now had to endure the systematic dismantling of their nation.

The British decided to round up over 150,000 Dutch Woman and children and imprison them in the worlds first Concentration Camps designed for women and children civilians. They allowed 35,000 of these Dutch/Boer people to die a horrible death by creating the conditions necessary for them to get Typhus and die from starvation. For more on this watch this video. The British fed the civilians very little, mostly rotten meat containing poisonous copper sulphate, grounded glass, fishhooks, and razor blades in the rations. As a consequence 35,000 Dutch/Boer woman and children died due to the inhumane monstrous British polices.

The British then took control of the mines. Cecil John Rhodes was in control of De Beers who was the only beneficiary of Apartheid. Over 500 000 African people worked in their mines and they did not spend much on wages.

How did this happen. Well in 1922 White South African mine workers went of strike for wage demands. Smuts the President back then, a guy considered to be a traitor by the Boer, he also started the RAF and was the British puppet in controlling South Africa used the air force to bomb te white miners to bits.

He then opened the mines for Africans because it was cheap labor that could easily be exploited. He did not build them a school, or try to improve the township areas.

But the Apartheid laws were not implemented in 1948.

The Passes act (Remeber SA only became a union in 1910)
1866: Pass Law: Any African found outside a designated residential area without a pass
could be arrested

1908: Native Beer Act: Empowered Natal Municipalities to utilize the profits from their monopoly sale of beer to
Africans for the Attention of houses, hospitals and other facilities for Africans.

Stamped and approved by Britain. The Apartheid regime National Party were only establish in 1914.

1913: Black Land Act No 27 (also known as the Native Land Act):
Prohibits Africans from owning or renting land outside of designed ‘reserves’ which comprise 7,6% of all land in South Africa.

1920: The Housing Act (No 35 of 1920): Introduced a Central Housing Board to regulate local authority housing developments for Africans, Coloured and Indians. The Board’s mandate is to supervise/administer the lending of government funds for housing developments.

All of these laws implemented by Smuts and his British friends. So the Boer was still living under British control with Africans who had no form of education most worked in mines. They decided to grab power away from British control. Remember South Africa's Gold and diamond mining were under the control of De Beers who was founded by Cecil John Rhodes and is a British affiliate. Their head quarters are in London and they ran a diamond monopoly till this day.

Between 1913 and 1922 with the passing of the Black Land Act, National Government establishes and commences to enforce racial segregation. Townships continue to be managed by a Municipal Authority but increasingly within requirements of national legislation and institutions.

1927: Black (Native) Administration Act No 38: Gives the Minister power to move people without prior notice. This Act is used extensively to carry out forced removals.
1934 : Slums Act : Provides powers to undertake the demolition of slums and expropriation of land
1936: Development Trust and Land Act No 18: This Act expands the reserves to a total of 13,6% of South Africa. In addition it authorizes the Department of Bantu Administration and Development to eliminate ‘black spots’ (black owned land surrounded by white owned land). The Act also established the South African Development Trust to acquire and administer land for African people in each of the provinces.
1937: Black (Native) Laws Amendment Act No 46: The Act prohibits the acquisition of land in urban areas by Africans from owners who are not African. In addition it introduces very strict regulations regarding the freedom of movement of women as part of influx control.
1945: Natives (Urban Areas) Consolidation Act No 25: This Act strengthens influx control and the ability to remove people from urban areas.

This is all before Apartheid.

1948 Apartheid started. But you see the laws were already there. The is also the period the Boer wrestle power away from the British. Until they made sure Vervoerd was killed. The father of Apartheid was actually the one who on the path to safe South Africa. They try to assassinate him twice. Attempts by fellow white folks tried to kill him.

Look what was South Africa busy doing

In 1952 the Natives (Abolition of Passes and Co-ordination of Documents) Act of 1952 was passed
1957: Housing Act: Established a Bantu Housing Board to deal with housing of Africans and a Fund
1961: Urban Blacks Council Act No 79: The first provision for black ‘self-government' in the urban townships.
1971: Black Affairs Administration Act No 45: Extended provisions for black self-government in townships.

In 1976 99 year leasehold and full property rights are provided respectively to African people in townships. Funding for housing is increased and extensive private sector housing development in Townships commences. Africans are were no longer restricted to living only in townships and start moving into the inner city and suburbs.

Can you see they were abolishing those English laws and Africans had more and more rights. At the hight of Apartheid in 1978 Soweto had 115 Football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses. In addition to this, Soweto had 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market. There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. The Blacks of South Africa had more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.

That was what South Africa were changing. They were given a education and more and more rights. The ANC was banned due to affiliation with the Communist party. In the USA and Australia as well as other countries these laws were passed as it was in the cold war era.

Membership of the Communist Party of Australia peaked at around 20,000 during the Second World War, and in 1944 Fred Paterson won the Queensland state seat of Bowen for the party. Although party membership began to decline after the war, many Communists were prominent in trade unions, as well as cultural and literary circles. Opposition Leader Robert Menzies believed that the socialist ideas which influenced Labor measures such as the attempt to nationalise the banks in 1948 were akin to Communism. Such fears were heightened during a 9-week Queensland rail strike the same year. The Communist Party played a prominent role in this and the Coal Miners’ strike of 1949. Such strikes led to massive economic and social disruption – so much so that Ben Chifley’s Labor government sent in troops to provide coal for essential services such as electricity generation, and prosecuted Communist union leaders who were jailed for their part in the strike.

When Menzies swept into power at the federal election in December 1949, his policy included the banning of the Communist Party. The coalition’s Communist Party Dissolution Act 1950 became law on 20 October 1950. The Act included three measures to deal with communism:
1. The Communist Party was declared to be an unlawful association and, as such, was to be dissolved, its property forfeited without compensation.

2. The Governor-General was authorised to declare bodies (such as trade unions) communist affiliates. The Governor-General could declare these bodies unlawful, satisfied that their existence was prejudicial to Australia’s security and defence.

As you can see they did what most countries did and that was to ban any parties affiliated with communist parties.

In 1961 SA withdrew from the commonwealth. Ended the Queens rule as the head of state. Ended British sapping South African mineral resources without paying for it.
1961: Umkhonto we Sizwe is formed by the ANC and armed resistance commences. Coincidence? I think not.

Liberation before education. Only members of the ANC were educated leaving the majority of the black population uneducated. People died for freedom and thought they had it in 1994. But its 2013. More riots than in Apartheid. 41 African miners killed in strikes. African people are getting poorer and poorer and are told to pay for education themselves. Even schools are told to generate their own funds. For the ANC's prize 50 percent of De Beers were given to them. They and a select few elites are enriching themselves while the people who they thought for are forgotten and live in extreme poverty. And its getting worse.

This is SA
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Apartheid South Africa
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Current South Africa
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Here is Winnie Mandela in a womans prison in Apartheid South Africa
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Eugene Terblance represents 1 percent of the Afrikaner/Boer people. The other 99 percent think his a and that is why he never held any power anywhere or was voted into anything. The media turn some of actions of a couple of people into your generally stereotypical scenario which people from outside South Africa see and create a image that is the Boer. A racist pig who just wanted to be greedy. But thats not them. They were setup by the British and took the fall. Joe Slovo wrote this

Bashing the Afrikaner is a popular pastime among certain English liberals. It stems from a combination of English jingoism and an attempt to evade collective white guilt for our racist inheritance by oiling it all onto the Afrikaners ... If any one group is to blame for the modern foundation of apartheid it is the non-Afrikaner upper strata which dominated the seat of power for more than 75 years before 1948.

**Joe Slovo **

The South Africa Act passed by the British Parliament in 1909 merged the self-governing British colonies of the Cape, Natal, Orange River and the Transvaal into the Union of South Africa, a dominion within the British Commonwealth. The Act, which served as the Union’s constitution until 1961, established a parliamentary regime along the lines of the Westminster model, composed of a directly elected House of Assembly and an indirectly elected Senate.] The Republic of South Africa Electoral System.

This foreign legislation effectively created an artificial macro State in Southern Africa which joined the conquered Boer Republics with the British ruled Cape & Natal Colonies which had earlier annexed Xhosaland & Zululand in the 19th cent. & wherein most of the non-Boer descended Afrikaner population was living in the Western Cape region. Therefore what this foreign imposed legislation did was to cobble together an artificial mega State structure which lumped the various diverse peoples under a single administration for the first time ever. In other words the creation of this state reversed the natural independent status of various peoples & it imposed a blocking mechanism against the self determination which was expressed by many of its peoples prior. The natural tendency of its peoples [& peoples in general] is to gravitate towards independence & self determination which was stunted & reversed when the British imposed an artificial macro State based on an imperial model & then recruited members of the local White population to administer it with their government as a surrogate Colonial ruler on behalf of the British power.

What happened. This act was the direct result of the friction which later followed [the State rulers prevented both Boer self determination / Boer Republics restoration & Bantu political petitions for control of macro State] as the newly empowered White regimes were reluctant to give up control of the macro State [with later modifications as per the Bantu homeland independence policies] they were recruited to administer as their general White constituent population were often concerned about inherently becoming an oppressed demographic minority within a universal suffrage based macro State. The British power elite [in reality: international capitalism. Ed.] appeared to have used this unfolding political machination to great success as it later gave them the opportunity to reclaim South Africa under the covert guise of the post Apartheid regimes who are financed & propped up by them.

In 1994 SA returned to the Commonwealth with the head of state the Queen once again. Everyone was happy zip up SA and ignore whatever happens next.

Just look around of British and American companies draining oil while that countries do not see that money? Nigerians will exactly know what I am talking about is that is what is happening. The British left Botswana with only 12km of road. Botswana was given to the Tswana's and when diamonds were discovered the British "took it under its protection". Bullshit. They tapped those diamonds until 1967. Botswana with the help of the SA apartheid regime have the highest growth rate in the world. They invited white farmers to come and farm there. Farms are not only the farmers land. He feeds a country and its economy with it. Zimbabwe found that out too late. Farmers are not millionaires living in luxury. They work their socks off to get a crop especially in Southern African conditions. Only 6 percent can be farmed on. Zimbabwe found that out too late.

Forget about the white guy Africa are being plundered by so called first world countries. They have no color. They use a countries own people against each other were we take it out on each other with war and all sorts of genocide. Open up your eyes people. Its happening all over Africa.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by Neuen: 12:19pm On Jan 31, 2013
MsDarkSkin:

I seriously hate to generalize but let's keep it real, Black South Africans are not much different from white south africans which is why i call them the "shame of Africa". Very xenophobic ppl.

You would think after apartheid they'd get their shyt together. It's messed up what they are doing to the Zimbabwean nationals who have the unfortunate luck of living within their borders. undecided

As far as I am concerned white SAs with the mentalities of their forefathers need to take their azzes to Europe and the black South Africans who mistreat immigrants should be made into examples and persecuted by law with no mercy.

But then again, we do not live in a perfect world. tongue Anyway, I have no plans to visit South Africa...nothing will change my mind...not even a million dollar check.. tongue








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South Africa‟s Black population is not homogenous. There are several different tribes who all speak different languages and who have distinct and hugely different cultures. There are main tribes such as the Zulu, Xhosa, Tswana, Venda, Ndebele, Sotho, Swazi and the Shangaan/Tsonga people. But it does not stop there, because these main tribes consist of smaller tribes. For instance the Xhosas are made up of Mpondo, Fingo, Thembu, Bhaca, Nhlangwini and Xesibe tribes. The Sothos are made up of North Sotho (Bapedi) and South Sotho (Basotho) tribes. The Tswanas are only a part of the main tribe known as the West Sotho. Other tribes that make up the West Sotho are the Kwena, Kgatla, Tlhaping, Tlharo, Rolong and Ngwato. The Venda tribe is made up of mainly the Mphephu and the Lemba, but in total the Vavenda can be bordered off into 27 clearly distinguishable tribes. The Zulus are made up of about 200 smaller tribes The Swazis are made up from the Nkosi, Shongwe, Khumalo and Hhlatyawako tribes. The Northern Sothos are made up from the Pedi, Koni, Phalaborwa, Lobedu and Kutswe tribes.... And so I can go on...All in all South Africa has nine official Black languages, with 23 sub categories and innumerable dialects.

Two tribes getting not getting along? Rwanda ring a bell 4 million dead? South Africa is unique with a huge amount of diversity. All those tribes under one roof and how do you tell them to play nice with each other?
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by FufuKing(m): 6:10pm On Jan 31, 2013
Just go back to Europe, you've had your fun, now leave!
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 6:39pm On Jan 31, 2013
FufuKing: Just go back to Europe, you've had your fun, now leave!
make me
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by FufuKing(m): 7:54pm On Jan 31, 2013
lol I don't have to, sooner or later you will be butchered by a black South African, it's only a matter or time.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 7:59pm On Jan 31, 2013
FufuKing: lol I don't have to, sooner or later you will be butchered by a black South African, it's only a matter or time.
really. seems you know nothing of SA. I have nothing to fear.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by Dibiachukwu: 4:09am On Feb 01, 2013
It is arrogance to come all the way from swineville europe and demand a land from our mama Africa. Are these people mad? Pigs belong in European piggeries, get away from Africa.
Re: The You Think White South Africans Should Have There Own Nation? by andrewza: 4:49am On Feb 01, 2013
Dibiachukwu: It is arrogance to come all the way from swineville europe and demand a land from our mama Africa. Are these people mad? Pigs belong in European piggeries, get away from Africa.

Hypocric. What about all the blacks rush to live in europe. Or the black amricans.

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