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LagosShia:

you have being corrected.that the Prophet's (sa) father was not a pagan but a hanif.you insisted based on what?

wow,MacDaddy.....why the explosion? Wasn't your father a pagan? Correct me if i am wrong.

And why did you get so angry? This is not usual of you!

My father was a christian.


Muhammad's father was a pagan. He believed in sacrifice. Prophets before him did not.

LagosShia:

how did they describe him? and what is the difference?

go and read the bible.


The Quran does not describe God as the God of isreal".

MacDaddy01:


go and read the bible.

i have.

The Quran does not describe God as the God of isreal".

Holy Quran 2:136
"Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants [/b]and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

[b]Holy Quran 29:46
"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

Up until recently, all Catholics read prayers in Latin.

LagosShia:
i have.



Holy Quran 2:136
"Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants [/b]and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

[b]Holy Quran 29:46
"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

The above quotes do not refer to Allah as the God of isreal. However, the bible does.


1) The descendants of Abraham does not = Isreal.
2) Not all christians were Jews in the times of Jesus. People of the scriptures would mean christians. And so, that description would be beyond Isreal.


You keep failing.


Jesus was not a muslim.

Jews and christians say that Moses and Jesus were religious Jews, yet you claim that they were muslims. Only one of you guys can be correct. Why should anyone learn about Jesus/Moses from Arabs and their Arabic Quran when they lived with Jews with Jewish laws.

odumchi: Up until recently, all Catholics read prayers in Latin.

What does this have to do with anything?

Remeber that the bible was in Hebrew and Greek originally.

MacDaddy01:


The above quotes do not refer to Allah as the God of isreal. However, the bible does.


1) The descendants of Abraham does not = Isreal.
2) Not all christians were Jews in the times of Jesus. People of the scriptures would mean christians. And so, that description would be beyond Isreal.


You keep failing.


Jesus was not a muslim.

Jews and christians say that Moses and Jesus were religious Jews, yet you claim that they were muslims. Only one of you guys can be correct. Why should anyone learn about Jesus/Moses from Arabs and their Arabic Quran when they lived with Jews with Jewish laws.

I have heard a pastor describe himself as a Muslim, Muslim = one who submits to the will to God, . . ., hence we understand that Moses etc. We believe the prophets of God whether in the bible or Qur'an all brought the same message, but man later corrupted the messages that is the bible is filled with many mumble jumble, . . . the word Jew originated from the word Judah etc this was just a religion coined from a name of person to mean both a religion and an ethnicity any case . . . we believe all prophets shared the same principles . . . the worship of one God . . .

vedaxcool:


I have heard a pastor describe himself as a Muslim, Muslim = one who submits to the will to God, . . .,

@ bold part;

Either you heard a liar or you're a liar.

By your definition, Christians and Jews and other monotheists are muslims. Your definition fails. Why dont you guys admit it? Will someone stone you to death if you admit something is wrong?

vedaxcool:

hence we understand that Moses etc. We believe the prophets of God whether in the bible or Qur'an all brought the same message, but man later corrupted the messages that is the bible is filled with many mumble jumble, . . . the word Jew originated from the word Judah etc this was just a religion coined from a name of person to mean both a religion and an ethnicity any case . . . we believe all prophets shared the same principles . . . the worship of one God . . .

This is funny. Do you know how insulting your whole religion is if you believe that? To call Jewish prophets muslim and then go around saying that their religion is corrupted when you borrowed from their religion, is kind of blasphemous and ungrateful to the Jews.

MacDaddy01:


The above quotes do not refer to Allah as the God of isreal. However, the bible does.

didn't you see the name of Jacob (as) in the verse i presented? hope you know "Israel" refers to Jacob (as).

1) The descendants of Abraham does not = Isreal.
2) Not all christians were Jews in the times of Jesus. People of the scriptures would mean christians. And so, that description would be beyond Isreal.

"people of the book" refers to jews first and christians secondly.

You keep failing.

i am not doing your exam and you're not my teacher.stop your ego.that is why i sometimes do not reply you.

Jesus was not a muslim.

Jews and christians say that Moses and Jesus were religious Jews, yet you claim that they were muslims. Only one of you guys can be correct. Why should anyone learn about Jesus/Moses from Arabs and their Arabic Quran when they lived with Jews with Jewish laws.

many of what is "jewish law" is also Islamic law and can even be found in the Holy Quran.

LagosShia:

didn't you see the name of Jacob (as) in the verse i presented? hope you know "Israel" refers to Jacob (as).



"people of the book" refers to jews first and christians secondly.


i am not doing your exam and you're not my teacher.stop your ego.that is why i sometimes do not reply you.





many of what is "jewish law" is also Islamic law and can even be found in the Holy Quran.

There were christian converts from other nations apart from Isreal. The God of People of the book does not mean the same thing as God of isreal.

Jacob is not isreal.

Alcohol is not forbidden in Judaism and Christianity. So explain how Jewish laws were similar to Islamic laws. Jesus also converted water into wine.

MacDaddy01:
There were christian converts from other nations apart from Isreal. The God of People of the book does not mean the same thing as God of isreal.

Jacob is not isreal.

Genesis 32:28
"Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."

Isaiah 43:1
"But now, this is what the LORD says--he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine".

Alcohol is not forbidden in Judaism and Christianity. So explain how Jewish laws were similar to Islamic laws. Jesus also converted water into wine.

we are talking here about judaism and christianity,what is forbidden by them or not.we are talking about prophets God sent and what was revealed to them.upon examining the bible,you see a contradictory and confusing stance on the issue of consuming alcohol.you would not know whether to consume or not to consume.but there are clear verses prohibiting the use of alcohol.i am concerned with what these verses say and not with what ordinary jews and christians believe or interpret them to mean.

in Islam,the early Muslims used to drink before the explicit verse totally forbidden alcohol was revealed.


Proverbs 23:31-32
Do not gaze at wine when it is red,when it sparkles in the cup,when it goes down smoothly!32 In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper.

Luke 1:15
15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit [a]while yet in his mother’s womb.

Leviticus 10:8-10
Then the LORD said to Aaron, “You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the tent of meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, so that you can distinguish between the holy and the common, between the unclean and the clean, 11 and so you can teach the Israelites all the decrees the LORD has given them through Moses.”

Judges 13:4
Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.

Deuteronomy 29:6
You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God.”

Isaiah 5:11
Woe to those who rise early in the morning to run after their drinks, who stay up late at night till they are inflamed with wine.

Isaiah 5:22
Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks,

Romans 14:21
It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

LagosShia:

Genesis 32:28
"Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."

Isaiah 43:1
"But now, this is what the LORD says--he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine".

Sorry, honest mistake. Was wrong about Jacob.

LagosShia:
we are talking here about judaism and christianity,what is forbidden by them or not.we are talking about prophets God sent and what was revealed to them.upon examining the bible,you see a contradictory and confusing stance on the issue of consuming alcohol.you would not know whether to consume or not to consume.but there are clear verses prohibiting the use of alcohol.i am concerned with what these verses say and not with what ordinary jews and christians believe or interpret them to mean.

in Islam,the early Muslims used to drink before the explicit verse totally forbidden alcohol was revealed.


Proverbs 23:31-32
Do not gaze at wine when it is red,when it sparkles in the cup,when it goes down smoothly!32 In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper.

Luke 1:15
15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit [a]while yet in his mother’s womb.

Leviticus 10:8-10
Then the LORD said to Aaron, “You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the tent of meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, so that you can distinguish between the holy and the common, between the unclean and the clean, 11 and so you can teach the Israelites all the decrees the LORD has given them through Moses.”

Judges 13:4
Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.

Deuteronomy 29:6
You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God.”

Isaiah 5:11
Woe to those who rise early in the morning to run after their drinks, who stay up late at night till they are inflamed with wine.

Isaiah 5:22
Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks,

Romans 14:21
It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

LMAO, are you forgetting that

a) Yes there are restrictions on wine when in holy places. But it is not forbidden?

b) There are bible passages supporting wine

c) Alcohol is not forbidden in Jewish law.



So how is Jewish law the same as islamic law. Did the prophet drink alcohol?

MacDaddy01:

Sorry, honest mistake. Was wrong about Jacob.

i hope to see more of such admission.

LMAO, are you forgetting that

a) Yes there are restrictions on wine when in holy places. But it is not forbidden?

b) There are bible passages supporting wine

c) Alcohol is not forbidden in Jewish law.

So how is Jewish law the same as islamic law. Did the prophet drink alcohol?

the bible verses i provided certainly deemed alcohol as something "unholy" and "unclean".also,the verse in romans clearly says it is good to avoid it.in luke,it is said that John the Baptist (as) was great in the sight of the Lord and on par with that it is stated he drank no strong drink.

obviously,God does not view alcohol as something good or clean that we should consume.the christians and jews can interpret anything from these verses and the others too which in a contradictory fashion in the confused,distorted and corrupt bible,praise consumption of wine.that is why i said,i do not follow what jews or christians believe but what God reveals.

the Quran has made it easy by issuing an explicit verse putting a total prohibition on consuming alcohol.the Prophet (sa) did not consume alcohol.

MacDaddy01:
@ bold part;

Either you heard a liar or you're a liar.

By your definition, Christians and Jews and other monotheists are muslims. Your definition fails. Why dont you guys admit it? Will someone stone you to death if you admit something is wrong?

Lol! you are the liar, I heard him say on national TV, A.M Express, where he describes himself as a Muslim with a a small "m" because he has submitted to God, the fact that you suffer chronic inability to understand and perpetually ignorance hangover, the definition is valid, the prophets' all submitted to God and preach the truth, that men later on twisted to make tales of lies, the word Jew is more of an ethnicity than a religion (Jew from the word Judah), the word Christians comes from Christ, meaning the anointed, again that hardly sounds like a name of religion, this names were concocted by men, not by the prophets, this fact will remain impossible for an atheist bigot of unrestrained fanaticism to simply understand!

MacDaddy01:
This is funny. Do you know how insulting your whole religion is if you believe that? To call Jewish prophets muslim and then go around saying that their religion is corrupted when you borrowed from their religion, is kind of blasphemous and ungrateful to the Jews.

we have proven our case from the bible countless times, . . . ungrateful is term god calls those who lie in morning and live in denial all their life . . . or do you now admit that the bible is a coherent literature? the mind of atheist is like a basket, truths they believe yesterday becomes blasphemous and ungrateful to jews . . . Hypocrisy is the one defining characteristics of an atheist . . . Jewish is a term for an ethnicity than a religion . . . a concpet that men evolve over time just like Christianity that Jesus never mentioned all his life . . . didn't Allah ask are the blind and the seeing alike? possibly to mr. annony and people like "logic"boy . . .

vedaxcool:

Lol! you are the liar, I heard him say on national TV, A.M Express, where he describes himself as a Muslim with a a small "m" because he has submitted to God, the fact that you suffer chronic inability to understand and perpetually ignorance hangover, the definition is valid, the prophets' all submitted to God and preach the truth, that men later on twisted to make tales of lies, the word Jew is more of an ethnicity than a religion (Jew from the word Judah), the word Christians comes from Christ, meaning the anointed, again that hardly sounds like a name of religion, this names were concocted by men, not by the prophets, this fact will remain impossible for an atheist bigot of unrestrained fanaticism to simply understand!



we have proven our case from the bible countless times, . . . ungrateful is term god calls those who lie in morning and live in denial all their life . . . or do you now admit that the bible is a coherent literature? the mind of atheist is like a basket, truths they believe yesterday becomes blasphemous and ungrateful to jews . . . Hypocrisy is the one defining characteristics of an atheist . . . Jewish is a term for an ethnicity than a religion . . . a concpet that men evolve over time just like Christianity that Jesus never mentioned all his life . . . didn't Allah ask are the blind and the seeing alike? possibly to mr. annony and people like "logic"boy . . .

When Vedaxcool is debunked, he becomes more abusive.



What case did you prove from the bible? Huh? That Moses and Jesus were not Jewish by religion?


Why cant you guys admit that you copied 2 other religions?

LagosShia:
i hope to see more of such admission.



the bible verses i provided certainly deemed alcohol as something "unholy" and "unclean".also,the verse in romans clearly says it is good to avoid it.in luke,it is said that John the Baptist (as) was great in the sight of the Lord and on par with that it is stated he drank no strong drink.

obviously,God does not view alcohol as something good or clean that we should consume.the christians and jews can interpret anything from these verses and the others too which in a contradictory fashion in the confused,distorted and corrupt bible,praise consumption of wine.that is why i said,i do not follow what jews or christians believe but what God reveals.

the Quran has made it easy by issuing an explicit verse putting a total prohibition on consuming alcohol.the Prophet (sa) did not consume alcohol.

So you agree that the bible is different because it has no explicit ban of alcohol. Different Jewish laws

MacDaddy01:



When Vedaxcool is debunked, he becomes more abusive.



What case did you prove from the bible? Huh? That Moses and Jesus were not Jewish by religion?


Why cant you guys admit that you copied 2 other religions?

When "logic"boy have been refuted he throws in red herrings to save face . . . the fact that you could not even answer the points raised in my post goes to show the flimsy logic you live by . . . as for the "insults" I never knew being ignorant is an insult . . . but the heart of it remains . .. they best describe who you really are . . . lol

vedaxcool:


When "logic"boy have been refuted he throws in red herrings to save face . . . the fact that you could not even answer the points raised in my post goes to show the flimsy logic you live by . . . as for the "insults" I never knew being ignorant is an insult . . . but the heart of it remains . .. they best describe who you really are . . . lol

What points did you raise? Can you repeat any of them?



You can call you partner ignorant or your Imam ignorant and see how it goes. When it comes to atheists and christians, it seems Vedaxcool has different rules.



What points did you raise? The overall point is that anyone who believes that Arabic is necessary to fully understand the Quran is debuking the religion.

The other point is that Moses and Jesus were eligious Jews that never spoke or understood Arabic. For you to say that Moses and Jesus were muslims is to say that muslims existed before Islam itself. The Quran is the revelation of God to Muhammed. How could there be muslims before the revelation because Jesus's and Moses revelations are opposing to Muhammeds.

Jesus turned water into wine.....Muhammad believed that alcohol was banned by God

Moses believed in a God of isreal- God's chosen people.....The Quran has directions for Arabs and then everyone.

MacDaddy01:

What points did you raise? Can you repeat any of them?



You can call you partner ignorant or your Imam ignorant and see how it goes. When it comes to atheists and christians, it seems Vedaxcool has different rules.



What points did you raise? The overall point is that anyone who believes that Arabic is necessary to fully understand the Quran is debuking the religion.

The other point is that Moses and Jesus were eligious Jews that never spoke or understood Arabic. For you to say that Moses and Jesus were muslims is to say that muslims existed before Islam itself. The Quran is the revelation of God to Muhammed. How could there be muslims before the revelation because Jesus's and Moses revelations are opposing to Muhammeds.

Jesus turned water into wine.....Muhammad believed that alcohol was banned by God

Moses believed in a God of isreal- God's chosen people.....The Quran has directions for Arabs and then everyone.

Whenever you can address the points raised four posts back then you would truly have saved face but to engage in red red herrings sort of argument will only deface you further . . . like I did say previously . . .

vedaxcool:
. . . this fact will remain impossible for an atheist bigot of unrestrained fanaticism to simply understand!

And truly the points towers high above you to understand indeed . . .

vedaxcool:

Whenever you can address the points raised four posts back then you would truly have saved face but to engage in red red herrings sort of argument will only deface you further . . . like I did say previously . . .

And truly the points towers high above you to understand indeed . . .

Smh


artful dodging.

MacDaddy01:


Smh


artful dodging.

Coming from a serial liar . . . it is a compliment

http://www.nairaland.com/1008472/why-all-muslims-pray-arabic/2#11716081

vedaxcool:



Coming from a serial liar . . . it is a compliment

http://www.nairaland.com/1008472/why-all-muslims-pray-arabic/2#11716081

Vedaxcool, you have some mental problems.


1) Read my comment again, I said that you were either lying about the pastor-muslim or the muslim-pastor is a liar. What kind of pastor calls himself a muslim? I might as well call myself a

2) Jesus was a Jew by religion. He was not a muslim. Jesus referred to the Jewish scriptures in his teachings. Fact.

Again the bible verses quoted by lagosshia are not corrupted when he's trying to validate his point but in general the bible is corrupt...hehehe. You guys and your lies.

I don't support macdaddy's.position on a lot this gs but he made a mistake and fessed up. But Lagosshia and vedaxcool to admit their theories are lies that everyone can see through? They've just killed 19 of brothers in Kogi State but Allah revealed the same to all the prophets abi?

fellis: Jesus was actually a Muslim.
Muslim= Someone who submits to the will of Allah.

does dat mean islam means submision?

proo212: Again the bible verses quoted by lagosshia are not corrupted when he's trying to validate his point but in general the bible is corrupt...hehehe. You guys and your lies.

I don't support macdaddy's.position on a lot this gs but he made a mistake and fessed up. But Lagosshia and vedaxcool to admit their theories are lies that everyone can see through? They've just killed 19 of brothers in Kogi State but Allah revealed the same to all the prophets abi?

proo,if i want to make a point about christian beliefs or the bible,do you expect me to quote hindu scripture?

please refer to a previous explanation given on your ignorance as to why i quote the corrupt,distorted,and confused bible (which is an authority in the lives of christian and not for Muslims):

the bible as a whole is indeed corrupt and has being tampered with.therefore it is not the "infallible word of God" as the Quran is.that can be seen through internal evidence from the bible itself and from external evidence in terms of manuscripts and science.

your question is why do muslims still bring out verses from it and present it to convince the christians since the bible is corrupt?

firstly when the muslim presents those verses,he does so not to convince fellow muslims that islam is the truth.the muslim uses the bible to present islam as a kind gesture to our christian brothers.christians see the bible as the "word of God" and they believe in the bible.so it would be unreasonable for muslims to use the Quran to convince christians on particular issues.christians believe in the bible,so for them it is authoritative.

this is even more the case,because we muslims also believe in Jesus (as) and other biblical prophets (as).therefore using the bible to bring out verses that support islam and where those previous prophets (as) proved that they were muslims is important to demonstrate our conncetion and truthfulness and also to convince christians that those prophets and men of God in the bible were like us muslims and not like you christians,who in all your 1001 sects and denomination are polytheists and idolators.

you may still ask us,how do we accuse the bible on the one hand of being corrupt and on the other hand use it to support islam? are we not contradicting ourselves?

the answer definitely is a big NO!

then how so?

we are not contradicting ourselves.our stance on the bible itself is the following:

we believe that the bible contains at least up to 4 types of verses.

the first type are verses that are truly the word of God and they are consistent with Quranic teachings.example:

Isaiah 43:10
“You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.

the second type of verses found in the bible are those attributed to prophets based on what God taught them.example:

Mark 9:23
"'If you can'?" said Jesus. "Everything is possible for him who believes."

the third type of verses found in the bible are the words of fallible men who are the scribes or historians.examples:

Mathew 9:9
"As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him".
(note that we are supposed to believe that the writer of the "book of Mathew" is Mathew himself according to christians,even thought we do know that the author is anonymous).


Deuteronomy 34:7
"Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone".
(note that we are meant to believe that it was Moses himself who authored Deuteronomy.one wonders how Moses could have written that he was 120 years old when he died after he had died!)


the fourth type of verses are verses that were tailored by the church either through adding or editing.when you compare the bible version of one church to the version of another church,you will clearly see that something is wrong as the passages of the same verse are either not consistent or are totally absent in the other's.those verses are tailored to fit church teachings and doctrines. two examples:

the catholic church and the doctrine of the trinity in the catholic version of the bible-(see below in quote)

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost

Matthew 28:19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost," represents a rare biblical reference to the Holy Trinity. However, the trinity did not become church doctrine until the third century, and even fourth century citations of this verse by Eusebius of Caesarea mention only baptizing in the name of Jesus, as do similar biblical passages (e.g. Acts 19:5).

1 John 5:7-8
The only other apparent scriptural Trinitarian reference is in 1 John 5:7-8, which reads, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the [u]Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the [/u]Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." The NIV omits the underlined portion, indicating in a footnote that it is "not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century."

to read more on interpolations in the bible and more examples,read here:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bible_interpolation#The_Father.2C_the_Son.2C_and_the_Holy_Ghost

the Jehovah's wtinesses and their belief in "Binity" in the 'New World Translation' version of the bible the witnesses use
they do not believe in trinity but they however believe Jesus is divine.they also play with words to establish their doctrine in the bible.

John 1:1
"In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god".

John 1:18
"No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him".

the highlighted words (in the above two verses) are not found in other versions.they are interpolations added by them to establish Jesus' divinity since they deny the trinity and believe trinity is unbiblical.

furthermore,the tetragrammaton from which the word "Jehovah" is derived (a word nonexistent before the 16th century),does not appear once in the greek manuscripts of the new testament.they have replaced anywhere the words "lord" and "god" are found with "Jehovah" on the supposition that the word could have being lost from hebrew or aramaic during translation and writing into greek.all this is to establish their belief in what they believe to be the only "unique name of God".if Jesus did not utter the word they believe the name of God is,then alot can be said.and if the most basic knowledge which is the name of God is supposedly lost in the new testament as they try to explain why it is absent,then how many more complex things,narrations and words could also have gone missing?

i will conclude by quoting the bible as evidence against itself:

Jeremiah 8:8
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie".

vedaxcool:



Coming from a serial liar . . . it is a compliment

http://www.nairaland.com/1008472/why-all-muslims-pray-arabic/2#11716081

I say no more . . .

MacDaddy01:

Vedaxcool, you have some mental problems.


1) Read my comment again, I said that you were either lying about the pastor-muslim or the muslim-pastor is a liar. What kind of pastor calls himself a muslim? I might as well call myself a

2) Jesus was a Jew by religion. He was not a muslim. Jesus referred to the Jewish scriptures in his teachings. Fact.

proo212: Again the bible verses quoted by lagosshia are not corrupted when he's trying to validate his point but in general the bible is corrupt...hehehe. You guys and your lies.

I don't support macdaddy's.position on a lot this gs but he made a mistake and fessed up. But Lagosshia and vedaxcool to admit their theories are lies that everyone can see through? They've just killed 19 of brothers in Kogi State but Allah revealed the same to all the prophets abi?

Lol...Vedaxcool and LagosShai can not admit that they are wrong.


They are so repressed by the quran

Jesus was a muslim? Jews of today do the same thing moses did in his days. Why re they not considered as muslims as well?

MacDaddy01:


Lol...Vedaxcool and LagosShai can not admit that they are wrong.


They are so repressed by the quran

Lol...these morons cannot admit they are wrong.

They are so repressed by their satanic whisperings.

proo212: Again the bible verses quoted by lagosshia are not corrupted when he's trying to validate his point but in general the bible is corrupt...hehehe. You guys and your lies.

I can't believe u actually laughed when u wrote above or were u experiencing some sort of mood swings when posting this? . . . To start with, do u know what corrupted means and in what context we use? Answer if ye are truthful!

proo212:
I don't support macdaddy's.position on a lot this gs but he made a mistake and fessed up. But Lagosshia and vedaxcool to admit their theories are lies that everyone can see through? They've just killed 19 of brothers in Kogi State but Allah revealed the same to all the prophets abi?

Liar! My uncle and his kid survived the incident today by share providence of Allah! U pretender that claims 19 brothers but does not even know a single soul in ny of the 19 want to claim knowledge of what u are ignorant of, the incident is political and the former lg chairman has been declared wanted, we learnt 3 days ago he threatened violence again the people because of his own selfish agenda . . . Jesus is truly disappointed with the cadre of Christians we have today, . . ., when a muslim steals, it must be Islam, if done by a christian it is the devil! Ye are hypocrites and an evil and adultrous generation that seeketh after a sign, when muslims comit killings it is Islam but christian kill sikhs in america, he is mentally disturd! What say you? Aren't thou the hypocrites!

Bélla3: does dat mean islam means submission?

I thought islam means peace

LagosShia:

Lol...these morons cannot admit they are wrong.

They are so repressed by their satanic whisperings.

lol....LagosShia keeps proving my point!


When did atheist = satanist?


smh