Sagamite:

You still have the desire, you said it yourself. Stop changing your story just to make a weak argument relevant.

The thing stopping you are laws. It is controlling your behaviour.

As you get older, that desire will diminish. That FACT is reflected in your insurance policy payments.

It is chemical changes that changes your desire to put chemicals in your body, not laws. Stop arguing against logic!

you have the uncanny ability to use words you don't even understand - the contradictions in the comment above amuses me to the hilt! so you agree the laws control the behaviour but it does not control my desire? is my desire not my behaviour or what the heck are you talking about?

as i get older the desire would diminish? how? so if a particular behaviour is not outlawed, your age singlehandedly would diminish that desire? this line of argument is obtuse! the law controls your behaviour/desire! the law has controlled the desire of the people in Singapore not to chew gums in public -

coogar:

you have the uncanny ability to use words you don't even understand - the contradictions in the comment above amuses me to the hilt! so you agree the laws control the behaviour but it does not control my desire? is my desire not my behaviour or what the heck are you talking about?

as i get older the desire would diminish? how? so if a particular behaviour is not outlawed, your age singlehandedly would diminish that desire? this line of argument is obtuse! the law controls your behaviour/desire! the law has controlled the desire of the people in Singapore not to chew gums in public -

You are chatting shyt!

Desire is not behaviour.

If I go to Saudi Arabia and in the spur of the moment I want to kiss my wife in public but know I will get 400 lashes and I do not do it.

I have the desire but a law has changed my opinion.

Simple LOGIC!

Insurance companies in ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD are not all mad when they charge higher premium to a particular age group.

Simple LOGIC!

Laws don't change your desires, they control your behaviours!

There are muthafuckers I desire to smack across the face but I live in a country where the law will be enforced, so I control my behaviour. That does not mean I still do not itch deep down to smack them.

DESIRE is not the same thing as BEHAVIOUR!

Sagamite:
You are chatting shyt!
Desire is not behaviour.

yes, it is!

If I go to Saudi Arabia and in the spur of the moment I want to kiss my wife in public but know I will get 400 lashes and I do not do it.
I have the desire but a law has changed my opinion.
Simple LOGIC!

illogical....
learn the difference between fantasy and desire. you cannot desire to kiss your wife in public in saudi arabia - you only "wish" it could happen..and in this context, that "wish" is fantasy!

Insurance companies in ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD are not all mad when they charge higher premium to a particular age group.
Simple LOGIC!

that is because that particular age group is more daring. the male gender of that particular age group even pays more than their female counterparts. nothing to do with desire and behaviour----

Laws don't change your desires, they control your behaviours!

the laws change desires and the when there's no desire there can be no behaviour!

There are muthafuckers I desire to smack across the face but I live in a country where the law will be enforced, so I control my behaviour. That does not mean I still do not itch deep down to smack them.

change that to "there are muthafuckers you fantasise to smack across the face..."

DESIRE is not the same thing as BEHAVIOUR!

think deep and you would see its the same!

Desires, laws, fantasies, left hands, right hands, to smack (or not), evidences, proof...

I pray una finish una fight in Jesus' name.

Derailers!

Efemena_xy: Desires, laws, fantasies, left hands, right hands, to smack (or not), evidences, proof...

I pray una finish una fight in Jesus' name.

Derailers!

efemena, you desire to join this debate but your behaviour is being controlled by your husband not to join in cos you are left-handed but you smack kids with your right hand and there's no evidence cos you were smart enough to avoid the law coming for you and this whole garbage is just a fantasy!

happy now?

We desire that the stupi_dity ends. I got sucked into it myself thinking it was going somewhere only to realize after so many pages that it was just people posting random brain-fart(I thought that only happened in politics section) just because they can. I desire we work to get the thread back to the topic.

coogar:

efemena, you desire to join this debate but your behaviour is being controlled by your husband not to join in cos you are left-handed but you smack kids with your right hand and there's no evidence cos you were smart enough to avoid the law coming for you and this whole garbage is just a fantasy!

happy now?

Now that's a good one

coogar:

efemena, you desire to join this debate but your behaviour is being controlled by your husband not to join in cos you are left-handed but you smack kids with your right hand and there's no evidence cos you were smart enough to avoid the law coming for you and this whole garbage is just a fantasy!

happy now?

You forgot to mention proof

Efemena_xy:



You forgot to mention proof

evidence = proof!

Kobojunkie: We desire that the stupi_dity ends. I got sucked into it myself thinking it was going somewhere only to realize after so many pages that it was just people posting random brain-fart(I thought that only happened in politics section) just because they can. I desire we work to get the thread back to the topic.

Shut-up!!!!!....so you think you have brains?? , you are arguing at random and calling others that do not agree with the nonsense you are saying,stupid, you think this is the politics section where you post nonsense and still click on the "like" button, because you feel you have personally made a point that only you see as a 'point'...learn to throw in the towel.

coogar:
yes, it is!



illogical....
learn the difference between fantasy and desire. you cannot desire to kiss your wife in public in saudi arabia - you only "wish" it could happen..and in this context, that "wish" is fantasy!



that is because that particular age group is more daring. the male gender of that particular age group even pays more than their female counterparts. nothing to do with desire and behaviour----



the laws change desires and the when there's no desire there can be no behaviour!



change that to "there are muthafuckers you fantasise to smack across the face..."



think deep and you would see its the same!

Let me let you into a secret: You are the specific reason why I demanded this because I did not want to waste my time:

https://www.nairaland.com/992476/nairalands-literary-debating-day-cordially/6#11489650

I know you very well. No matter how blatantly your argument is murdered you will hold on to it like a market woman fighting Mike Tyson. "I no go gree, you must kill me today" attitude.

You actually went to blindly look for a word (wish) to try and dispute that it is not a desire to want to kiss my wife is Saudi, instead of accepting the point magnanimously.

You seriously have to learn to accept when your point has been murdered and stop striving to bring it alive with lame points. Only Jesus raise things from the dead.

So to you behaviour is the same thing as desire, but wish is completely different from desire?

You actually sat down and conjured that up to defend a buried point instead of accepting the point is dead and start a quiet mourning moment?

Okay here are the dictionary definitions.

Wish:
1. to want; desire; long for (usually followed by an infinitive or a clause): I wish to travel. I wish that it were morning.
2. to desire (a person or thing) to be (as specified): to wish the problem settled.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wish?s=t


Behavior:
1. manner of behaving or acting.
2. Psychology, Animal Behavior .
a. observable activity in a human or animal.
b. the aggregate of responses to internal and external stimuli.
c. a stereotyped, species-specific activity, as a courtship dance or startle reflex.
3. Often, behaviors. a behavior pattern.
4. the action or reaction of any material under given circumstances: the behavior of tin under heat.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/behavior?s=t


Here is the the thesaurus for "wish", see what they used alternative definition for the word:

http://thesaurus.com/browse/wish

And you will say you are not scraping the bottom of the barrel when arguing?

Okay, feel free to show me which dictionary you used to conclude that desire is the same thing as behavior and wish is different from desire.

The floor is yours.

^^^DAYUUMMM!!!

Kobojunkie: We desire that the stupi_dity ends. I got sucked into it myself thinking it was going somewhere only to realize after so many pages that it was just people posting random brain-fart(I thought that only happened in politics section) just because they can. I desire we work to get the thread back to the topic.

If you had any brain cells you would understand dialetic strategies.

As I told dumb arses like you before, I do not apply one-cap-fits-all with everyone on NL, I apply bespoke approach.

When I am debating with someone that I know if they make an error they will rather claim red is black instead of admitting their error, I apply my arguments strategically so I don't waste my godly time.

Claus: ^^^DAYUUMMM!!!

Claus, you did not know I was intellectually bad arsè before?

Maa wo e. (Dey look you).

coogar:

evidence = proof!

Okay knowledgeable one.

Sagamite's attacking your patch. Now pls go pick up the gunlet & prove to us all that desire is NE wish is NE behaviour

NE: Not Equal To.

Kobojunkie: [size=13pt]We desire that the stupi_dity ends. I got sucked into it myself thinking it was going somewhere only to realize after so many pages that it was just people posting random brain-fart(I thought that only happened in politics section) just because they can. I desire we work to get the thread back to the topic.[/size]

I just love when the same response works

Abegi! Make everybody else clear out of the ring. This Royal Rumble is now down to two contestants: Sagamite and Coogar.

Typing time over for me, this is now pure spectator time, unless of course the Royal Rumble is already over.

^^ You saying Kobojunkie got knocked out of the contest??!! When?? How??

I thought she had unfinished business with (ahem)..[size=1pt]Ronkebp[/size]& (double ahem)...[size=1pt]Oga Saga[/size]

Or are you just being sexist man?

^ I don't have any unfinished biz with anything. I came over here to relax, for the week, after so long dealing with the illogical, unverifiable ramblings in politics section. I am not looking for more of that, abeg!!

*** throws Kobojunkie back into the boxing ring ***

Girl, d'you have any idea how much I bet (abi na betted) on you winning this fight?

We'll change referees if you want, but pls don't bail out o! I've got store card debts from Selfridges and Harvey Nicholes to pay off naw!

Sagamite:
Let me let you into a secret: You are the specific reason why I demanded this because I did not want to waste my time:
https://www.nairaland.com/992476/nairalands-literary-debating-day-cordially/6#11489650

i disagree with you.....
sagamite did a cop-out on the night cos he knew what i am about....one-third of my intelligence quotient is beyond 99% of the inhabitants onf this planet!

I know you very well. No matter how blatantly your argument is murdered you will hold on to it like a market woman fighting Mike Tyson. "I no go gree, you must kill me today" attitude.

until i am convinced my argument has been murdered, i don't just cop-out
i don't leave a fight without a blackeye

You actually went to blindly look for a word (wish) to try and dispute that it is not a desire to want to kiss my wife is Saudi, instead of acccepting the point magnanimously.

there's no point to admit here, sagamite.
are you seeing differently?

You seriously have to learn to accept when your point has been murdered and stop striving to bring it alive with lame points. Only Jesus raise things from the dead.

coogar does too....
i am capable of beating niggas to death and also capable of beating dead niggas back to life.

So to you behaviour is the same thing as desire, but wish is completely different from desire?

your desire becomes your behaviour. if you desire to drink and you carry out your thoughts, you would drink.
there's a thought behind every action.

You actually sat down and conjured that up to defend a buried point instead of accepting the point is dead and start a quiet mourning moment?

duh! i left you in a mourning period much earlier when i told you to learn the difference between controlling and dictating.

Okay here are the dictionary definitions.

thank you....let's get down to biznizz!

Wish:
1. to want; desire; long for (usually followed by an infinitive or a clause): I wish to travel. I wish that it were morning.
2. to desire (a person or thing) to be (as specified): to wish the problem settled.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wish?s=t


Behavior:
1. manner of behaving or acting.
2. Psychology, Animal Behavior .
a. observable activity in a human or animal.
b. the aggregate of responses to internal and external stimuli.
c. a stereotyped, species-specific activity, as a courtship dance or startle reflex.
3. Often, behaviors. a behavior pattern.
4. the action or reaction of any material under given circumstances: the behavior of tin under heat.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/behavior?s=t


Here is the the thesaurus for "wish", see what they used alternative definition for the word:

http://thesaurus.com/browse/wish

i am struggling to cope as to why you are defining the things i already know here.
wish, desire, behaviour, etc. did i actually say the technical meaning of desire and behaviour is the same? what i was trying to say is....if you desire something and you carry it out, that desire has become your behaviour!

james holmes desired to kill innocent people in aurora, he went to the cinema with a loaded weapon and carried out his desire. what was his desire? to kill. what was his behaviour? he killed. is there any disparity between what he desired and what he ended up doing? this is not rocket science. there's a thought(desire) behind every action.

And you will say you are not scraping the bottom of the barrel when arguing?

you were the culprit caught scraping the barrel earlier.

Okay, feel free to show me which dictionary you used to conclude that desire is the same thing as behavior and wish is different from desire.

i would show you after you must have shown me why you concluded "dictating" and "controlling" are different things.

The floor is yours.

floor accepted with all pleasure....i did justice to the floor and the floor is now being passed back to you.

coogar:

i disagree with you.....
sagamite did a cop-out on the night cos he knew what i am about....one-third of my intelligence quotient is beyond 99% of the inhabitants onf this planet!



until i am convinced my argument has been murdered, i don't just cop-out
i don't leave a fight without a blackeye




there's no point to admit here, sagamite.
are you seeing differently?



coogar does too....
i am capable of beating niggas to death and also capable of beating dead niggas back to life.



your desire becomes your behaviour. if you desire to drink and you carry out your thoughts, you would drink.
there's a thought behind every action.



duh! i left you in a mourning period much earlier when i told you to learn the difference between controlling and dictating.



thank you....let's get down to biznizz!



i am struggling to cope as to why you are defining the things i already know here.
wish, desire, behaviour, etc. did i actually say the technical meaning of desire and behaviour is the same? what i was trying to say is....if you desire something and you carry it out, that desire has become your behaviour!

james holmes desired to kill innocent people in aurora, he went to the cinema with a loaded weapon and carried out his desire. what was his desire? to kill. what was his behaviour? he killed. is there any disparity between what he desired and what he ended up doing? this is not rocket science. there's a thought(desire) behind every action.


you were the culprit caught scraping the barrel earlier.

i would show you after you must have shown me why you concluded "dictating" and "controlling" are different things.

floor accepted with all pleasure....i did justice to the floor and the floor is now being passed back to you.

I am laughing hard, men.

So now it is no more desire is the same thing as behaviour, so it is now desire becomes behaviour.

So why did you say here desire is behaviour?

https://www.nairaland.com/1012348/parents-how-teach-daughters-self-esteem/17#11842165

What if you have a desire but due to laws you do not satisfy or act on that desire? You behaviour is now your desire?

So gay Saudi Arabians that marry and have sex with women, according to you, their desire is now for women, not men?

So if tell my kids to come to church, and they go, according to your logic, it is their desire?

So if I decide to respect the law in Saudi and do not kiss my wife, according to your logic, I don't desire to kiss her then?

Here are dictionary definition of desire for you to help you:

Desire

1. to wish or long for; crave; want.
2. to express a wish to obtain; ask for; request: The mayor desires your presence at the next meeting.
3. a longing or craving, as for something that brings satisfaction or enjoyment: a desire for fame.
4. an expressed wish; request.
5. something desired.
6. sexual appetite or a sexual urge.

A desire is your choice, not what you have to do because others restrict you. Basically a WISH!

"I no go gree, you must kill me today arguments".

And you forgot your argument that wish is not desire, oya lets hear that one. I see you dodge am.

^^^^^^ Hope you are warming up??

Sagamite:

I am laughing hard, men.

don't laugh too hard....

So now it is no more desire is the same thing as behaviour, so it is now desire becomes behaviour.
So why did you say here desire is behaviour?

i have explained this thoroughly. there's a thought behind every action!
you cannot behave in a certain way without a desire to do so - how is this ambiguous?

https://www.nairaland.com/1012348/parents-how-teach-daughters-self-esteem/17#11842165
What if you have a desire but due to laws you do not satisfy or act on that desire? You behaviour is now your desire?

you do not act on that desire because "another" thought supercedes your desire.
good conscience and evil conscience - duh! i desire to slap sagamite across the face but wait....if i slap him across the face, i would get locked up.....so let me just do something else. the something else i plan to do has now become the new desire. slapping you across the face ceases to be my number one desire or has been demoted to plan b(should plan a fail). the human mind is complex!

So gay Saudi Arabians that marry and have sex with women, according to you, their desire is now for women, not men?

bisexuality - duh!

So if tell my kids to come to church, and they go, according to your logic, it is their desire?

why isn't it their desire? of course they might grumble and then i put a tasty offer into it. "we all go to the macdonalds after church" - then going to church becomes their desire.

So if I decide to respect the law in Saudi and do not kiss my wife, according to your logic, I don't desire to kiss her then?

yes - you don't
the desire is now centred on respecting the law in saudi. kissing your wife in public has now ceased to be your number one desire. you either desire to kiss her in private or you forget about kissing her at all till you move back to your base in sagamu! it's simple logic.

Here are dictionary definition of desire for you to help you:

Desire

1. to wish or long for; crave; want.
2. to express a wish to obtain; ask for; request: The mayor desires your presence at the next meeting.
3. a longing or craving, as for something that brings satisfaction or enjoyment: a desire for fame.
4. an expressed wish; request.
5. something desired.
6. sexual appetite or a sexual urge.

A desire is your choice, not what you have to do because others restrict you. Basically a WISH!

and that "wish" could be termed as a fantasy!
what you decide to do before any given action is your desire.....you could do otherwise but you still decided to do what you thought to do. sagamite, stop arguing....

"I no go gree, you must kill me today arguments".

And you forgot your argument that wish is not desire, oya lets hear that one. I see you dodge am.

this is not "i no go gree"......you have not advanced your point one jot!
bringing up kids who don't want to go to church as example - you make me laugh. that's the wrongest instance to cite.
kids are called kids for a reason and that is because they cannot be held responsible for the actions they take. desire/wish cannot apply here......sagamite, try another gimmick, you are boring me!

coogar:

don't laugh too hard....



i have explained this thoroughly. there's a thought behind every action!
you cannot behave in a certain way without a desire to do so - how is this ambiguous?



you do not act on that desire because "another" thought supercedes your desire.
good conscience and evil conscience - duh! i desire to slap sagamite across the face but wait....if i slap him across the face, i would get locked up.....so let me just do something else. the something else i plan to do has now become the new desire. slapping you across the face ceases to be my number one desire or has been demoted to plan b(should plan a fail). the human mind is complex!



bisexuality - duh!



why isn't it their desire? of course they might grumble and then i put a tasty offer into it. "we all go to the macdonalds after church" - then going to church becomes their desire.



yes - you don't
the desire is now centred on respecting the law in saudi. kissing your wife in public has now ceased to be your number one desire. you either desire to kiss her in private or you forget about kissing her at all till you move back to your base in sagamu! it's simple logic.



and that "wish" could be termed as a fantasy!
what you decide to do before any given action is your desire.....you could do otherwise but you still decided to do what you thought to do. sagamite, stop arguing....




this is not "i no go gree"......you have not advanced your point one jot!
bringing up kids who don't want to go to church as example - you make me laugh. that's the wrongest instance to cite.
kids are called kids for a reason and that is because they cannot be held responsible for the actions they take. desire/wish cannot apply here......sagamite, try another gimmick, you are boring me!

So if I force my kids to go to church, then it is their desire to go.

As I said, you will have no hesitation claiming red is black in an argument:

https://www.nairaland.com/1012348/parents-how-teach-daughters-self-esteem/17#11845510

I will let others jugde the silliness of the answers.

Your own responses is proving my assertion you are a champion of "I no go gree, you must kill me today arguments".


Desire is not the same thing as behaviour? Fact?

A wish is a desire? Fact?

Admit it!

When you admit it, I will then lecture you on how laws and power and authority are linked.

ronkebp: ^^^^^^ Hope you are warming up??

Prayer and fasting everyday now.

Scared shyt at the sight of slippers.

coogar:
i have explained this thoroughly. there's a thought behind every action!
you cannot behave in a certain way without a desire to do so - how is this ambiguous?

Let me tease you and quote were I will use to kill your arguments after you admit the above.

I will bring out academics like murrafucker.

You claim you can't behave in a certain way without the desire to do so?

ROFLMAO!!!

Sagamite:

Prayer and fasting everyday now.

Scared shyt at the sight of slippers.

i can't wait to know the outcome

Sagamite:
So if I force my kids to go to church, then it is their desire to go.

forcing your kids? kids do not count here.
firstly, they don't have a mind of their own and secondly they are trusting you as a father to make a good decision for them. stop using kids to advance your points. they cannot refuse even if they want to. you can still decide to kiss your wife in public in saudi arabia despite their strict laws. so your analogy has more holes than a samaritan's basket.

As I said, you will have no hesitation claiming red is black in an argument:
https://www.nairaland.com/1012348/parents-how-teach-daughters-self-esteem/17#11845510

you never know......what you think is red might actually be black.

I will let others jugde the silliness of the answers.
Your own responses is proving my assertion you are a champion of "I no go gree, you must kill me today arguments".

let others judge. i am not into your phallus-waving contest!

Desire is not the same thing as behaviour? Fact?
wish is a desire? Fact?

your desire fuels your behaviour. fact!

Admit it!
When you admit it, I will then lecture you on how laws and power and authority.

heheheh....
lecture the god of science and math? sagamite, nor be your type abeg!
restrict your lectures to advising baby mothers and women in failed marriages.

coogar:

forcing your kids? kids do not count here.
firstly, they don't have a mind of their own and secondly they are trusting you as a father to make a good decision for them. stop using kids to advance your points. they cannot refuse even if they want to. you can still decide to kiss your wife in public in saudi arabia despite their strict laws. so your analogy has more holes than a samaritan's basket.



you never know......what you think is red might actually be black.



let others judge. i am not into your phallus-waving contest!



your desire fuels your behaviour. fact!



heheheh....
lecture the god of science and math? sagamite, nor be your type abeg!
restrict your lectures to advising baby mothers and women in failed marriages.

Admit it.

Desire is not the same thing as behaviour?

A wish is a desire?

I'm looooooooooooost!