OXYZ: Drop your email or contact me and I will show you other side of life.

nyameke: lol Yea he is as confused as most of the masses out there .he is scattering his thoughts and contentions all over the place and not making much sense..he lacks understanding of how the universe works and so going back and forth with him is futile.. Jou can't force people to understand stuffs when they are not willing or ready for it..I let nature takes it course

I always say reading.seeing, knowing, analysing and in this case debating something is NOT the same as understanding it. Let me repeat reading , seeing and knowing about something does not mean you understand it..

Only application and physical action on knowledge brings genuine understanding. They say knowledge is power and sets you free but I say complete freedom comes only when you understand the knowledge in your grasp..

pro01: Very interesting thread. I belong(ed) to the same school of thought as the OP, but then - there are so many things I've seen and experienced in this society of ours that I just can't explain, which means that there is indeed a possibility, no matter how slim, that some of these 'superstitions' are real here. If I have to go into the tiny details and explanations, my post would be unbearably long, and I don't want anyone to accuse me of writing a 'thesis'.

In a nutshell, however, I think some sort of spiritual force exists that affects how things in the physical realm happen; but then, I also have doubts as to why, in Africa, this spiritual force is not replicable on a ceteris paribus basis. For instance, if a man supposedly has a formula that makes his body impenetrable to bullets and machete cuts, why can't that formula be reproduced on a mass scale and commercialised? ? ? Why would national armies not want to adopt that formula for their soldiers, if it really works? ? ?

Frankly, that is why the White Man's 'Jazz' is superior to ours: it can be replicated; it is science. Inventions such as the aeroplane, television, mobile phone, the almighty Internet, and pretty much everything else the White Man has invented are probably more spiritual than mental/intellectual, but the fact that they enshrined these inventions in reproducible science - and put forth the formulae in ways anyone can learn how to replicate ceteris paribus makes Africans look like cavemen when we talk about this our 'superstitions' that are inconsistent and unscientific. In any case, with all our superstition, mere shiploads of drunken White expeditionists conquered entire African kingdoms, colonised them, and whisked them off in droves into slavery. Since these superstitions are supposedly real, why did the African warriors not 'disappear' or overwhelm the White invaders with their black voodoo? ? ?

The thing is that I'm not quite sure what to believe anymore. On one hand, I doubt that these African superstitions hold water, but on the other hand, I have also seen things in our society that defy logical explanation - and reinforce the idea that 'Jazz' actually exists. I really don't know what to believe anymore to be honest.

pro01: Frankly, that is why the White Man's 'Jazz' is superior to ours: it can be replicated; it is science. Inventions such as the aeroplane, television, mobile phone, the almighty Internet, and pretty much everything else the White Man has invented are probably more spiritual than mental/intellectual, but the fact that they enshrined these inventions in reproducible science - and put forth the formulae in ways anyone can learn how to replicate ceteris paribus makes Africans look like cavemen when we talk about this our 'superstitions' that are inconsistent and unscientific. In any case, with all our superstition, mere shiploads of drunken White expeditionists conquered entire African kingdoms, colonised them, and whisked them off in droves into slavery. Since these superstitions are supposedly real, why did the African warriors not 'disappear' or overwhelm the White invaders with their black voodoo? ? ?

OXYZ: Drop your email or contact me and I will show you other side of life.

chio chio: HMMM AND THIS TELLS ME THAT NIGERIA HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBERS OF MUGUS IN THE WHOLE WORLD FOR THEM TO BELIVE THAT THIS MOVIE TELLS REALLY EXIT, SEEMS I WILL NOW CONCENTRATE IN SCAMING NIGERIAS INSTEAD OF THE WHITES WHO ARE WISE

cuteonyii: Hey guys, i'm not trying to offend any body here. But sometimes my friends finds it annoying when I tell them that I do not believe in the following.

1. That someone can make me appear on a mirror and cast a spell on me.
2. That someone can tie my destiny with my picture taken to some where.
3. That I can get ill when i walk over something buried under the earth or in front of my door.
4. That someone can changed baby in the womb to something else e.g stone, tortoise, etc.
5. That dead people can come out and hunt me.
6. I can see ghost.
7. That someone can get shot at and the bullet will not get into the body.
8. That Ritual will make money fill in your room.

Is not because of religion but just they way I grew up. I was born and raised in Africa for over 30 year i'm yet to get any prove for those stuff. I strongly believe in magics and poison, but when it comes to voodoo I do not believe in that.
I have actually seen people break, chew and swallow bottle when i was in Aba. But I call those stuffs magics because thats the only thing they could do all the time. I think we Africans call most things voodoo simply because we do not have explanations to them.
What do you believe??

pro01: Very interesting thread. I belong(ed) to the same school of thought as the OP, but then - there are so many things I've seen and experienced in this society of ours that I just can't explain, which means that there is indeed a possibility, no matter how slim, that some of these 'superstitions' are real here. If I have to go into the tiny details and explanations, my post would be unbearably long, and I don't want anyone to accuse me of writing a 'thesis'.

In a nutshell, however, I think some sort of spiritual force exists that affects how things in the physical realm happen; but then, I also have doubts as to why, in Africa, this spiritual force is not replicable on a ceteris paribus basis. For instance, if a man supposedly has a formula that makes his body impenetrable to bullets and machete cuts, why can't that formula be reproduced on a mass scale and commercialised? ? ? Why would national armies not want to adopt that formula for their soldiers, if it really works? ? ?

Frankly, that is why the White Man's 'Jazz' is superior to ours: it can be replicated; it is science. Inventions such as the aeroplane, television, mobile phone, the almighty Internet, and pretty much everything else the White Man has invented are probably more spiritual than mental/intellectual, but the fact that they enshrined these inventions in reproducible science - and put forth the formulae in ways anyone can learn how to replicate ceteris paribus makes Africans look like cavemen when we talk about this our 'superstitions' that are inconsistent and unscientific. In any case, with all our superstition, mere shiploads of drunken White expeditionists conquered entire African kingdoms, colonised them, and whisked them off in droves into slavery. Since these superstitions are supposedly real, why did the African warriors not 'disappear' or overwhelm the White invaders with their black voodoo? ? ?

The thing is that I'm not quite sure what to believe anymore. On one hand, I doubt that these African superstitions hold water, but on the other hand, I have also seen things in our society that defy logical explanation - and reinforce the idea that 'Jazz' actually exists. I really don't know what to believe anymore to be honest.

odumchi:
Warriors were fortified during pre-colonial times and not during the modern era. In the modern era most people were converted to Christianity and no longer believed in those things.

ifyalways: Onyi,things like chewing bottle, voodoo to withstand bullet,rings that can make one appear and disappear at will. I don't think they qualify as magic, they are voodoo at work. Perhaps we should start by distinguishing both;voodoo and magic.

Btw, where do you place the African rain makers?voodoo or magic?

Strangest diet

Michel Lotito (France) (b. 15 June 1950) of Grenoble, France, known as Monsieur Mangetout, ate metal and glass from 1959 until his death last year. His diet since 1966 included 18 bicycles, 15 supermarket trolleys, seven TV sets, six chandeliers, two beds, a pair of skis, a low-calorie Cessna light aircraft and a computer. He is said to have provided the only example in history of a coffin (handles and all) ending up inside a man. By October 1997, he had eaten nearly nine tons of metal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/2976278/Weird-world-records-bizarre-entries-in-the-Guinness-Book-of-World-Records.html?image=3

vislabraye:

I believe in the supernatural. Its vey obvious and I see why some people can't see it.
I'll try to answer your question. Black magic has its limitation. Satan can't help anyone when he/she wants him the most. That's the reason Africa was easily conquered.
Some times, I believe it is God who makes fool of diviners because of his sovereignty.

The poster seems to be confused. He says he believes magic exists and he claims to have witnessed some. Then why is it impossible for him to believe that evil could be perpetuated through this power?

basher:

There is a clear difference between science/engineering/mechanics etc. and superstitions. Remember that the white man had similar, if not worse, superstitions hundreds of years ago. Can't we just admit that these superstitions are just a sign of backwardness and ignorance? Am I mistaken in noticing that the more civilized you get; the less these superstition abounds irrespective of religion. In fact, religion actually feeds off it. Europeans were very superstitious when they were more religious.

cuteonyii: Hey guys, i'm not trying to offend any body here. But sometimes my friends finds it annoying when I tell them that I do not believe in the following.

1. That someone can make me appear on a mirror and cast a spell on me.
2. That someone can tie my destiny with my picture taken to some where.
3. That I can get ill when i walk over something buried under the earth or in front of my door.
4. That someone can changed baby in the womb to something else e.g stone, tortoise, etc.
5. That dead people can come out and hunt me.
6. I can see ghost.
7. That someone can get shot at and the bullet will not get into the body.
8. That Ritual will make money fill in your room.

Is not because of religion but just they way I grew up. I was born and raised in Africa for over 30 year i'm yet to get any prove for those stuff. I strongly believe in magics and poison, but when it comes to voodoo I do not believe in that.
I have actually seen people break, chew and swallow bottle when i was in Aba. But I call those stuffs magics because thats the only thing they could do all the time. I think we Africans call most things voodoo simply because we do not have explanations to them.
What do you believe??

vislabraye: Its only naivety for some one to think that black magic doesn't exist.
What you call superstition is in fact supernatural occurence. The fact that you don't believe in electricity doesn't mean it does not exist.
There's something called enchantment and divination. I have witnessed some supernatural occurences so I know what I'm talking about.
May God help you.

Zeus I: Dude, there are so many place to experiment those. Say, getting yourself a day imployment in one mortuary for a night shift or travel to agulu-eri and challenge their herbalists or better still visit Aro-ndi-izogu and demand to shoot any man who presents self, if he lives, you will give him #100,000.00. That is how discovery is made.

pro01:

Bros you still did not clear one's doubts, as your assertions are speculative. There is no compelling evidence or proof that the points you made are objective and real. . .it's all about 'beliefs', which are entirely subjective.



Really? Are we sure that the difference between 'superstition' and science is that clear? I think it only becomes 'clear' when we gain knowledge and realise the formula for the lack thereof) behind what were hitherto considered mysteries. The White man has successfully demystified superstition by engaging in metaphysics and science, thereby reaching new frontiers of knowledge. Surely, this is not something that could have been achieved instantly; it had to be evolutionary, not revolutionary. That is why it might seem that the White man was very superstitious hundreds of years ago: it was a learning curve. . .they had to discover nature's secrets gradually and put them in a scientific form that could be replicated and reproduced easily. That is what we now call science/engineering/mechanics. I think it is 'jazz' nonetheless, just that this jazz has mostly been clarified and stored in formulae that are consistent, recyclable, explainable, and predictable. Unfortunately, I think this is where our African notions of superstition and voodoo fall short: if it is really possible, for instance, to 'disappear' in Lagos and 'reappear' in Kafanchan, then why not explain the formula that ANYONE can apply to achieve this, ceteris paribus? ? ? It shouldn't be so mysterious and inconsistent.

vislabraye:

I believe in the supernatural. Its vey obvious and I see why some people can't see it.
I'll try to answer your question. Black magic has its limitation. Satan can't help anyone when he/she wants him the most. That's the reason Africa was easily conquered.
Some times, I believe it is God who makes fool os diviners because of his sovereignty.

The poster seems to be confused. He says he believes magic exists and he claims to have witnessed some. Then why is it impossible for him to believe that evil could be perpetuated through this power?

wesley80: OP, all you have to do is buy a satellite receiver and tune in to TB Joshua's Emmanuel TV, I promise your perspective of life will change! The things I've heard and seen on that station eh! As a matter of fact, I won't be surprised if you're actually a ghost yourself lol. Just watch that station for one week then come back here and tell your story. Seriously, there's much more to this life we live.

basher:

There is a clear difference between science/engineering/mechanics etc. and superstitions. Remember that the white man had similar, if not worse, superstitions hundreds of years ago. Can't we just admit that these superstitions are just a sign of backwardness and ignorance? Am I mistaken in noticing that the more civilized you get; the less these superstition abounds irrespective of religion. In fact, religion actually feeds off it. Europeans were very superstitious when they were more religious.

shadrach77: The poster is extremely silly. Can you see oxygen with which you are breathing? How then do you believe that it exits? The truth is there is more to life than what we see physically. Certain things cannot be explained by words of mouth. Only people who have experienced it will be convinced but convincing others might be a challenge . That's why the bile teaches us that salvation is a personal issue. Let me give you another example . If your silly self had stomach ache, how would you prove it to those around you that you are not pretending and what you are feeling is real?

Thereishel: Jesus said, "All power in heaven and in earth is given unto me, behold in my name you will cast out the devils......" The Supreme power is only from Almighty God. However, i have been old enough, lives in village for long time and see the agents of satan using all this types of power with the Bible confirming it thro Jesus dat all powers in heaven and in earth. Many of you that are talking about this are very young and have never witness this but i am confirming to you that all these are realities because i have witnessed these. The only one that i can tell you is that the dead man cannot appear to no man because "It is appointed unto all men to die once and after this is judgement" but the occultic ppl can invoke evil spirit that resembles a dead man to be seen. Sometimes they would look for a man that resembles a dead man to be seen as dead. Omode ko mo Ooogun o npe lefo.
Let me quickly tell u a story dat happened in my village more than 60 years ago; There were group of hunters that would celebrates the dead of their colleagues "IPA ODE" and they would gather all his juju and other power put it on the head of the first son early in the morning to go and burn it at the outskirt of the village and would called the dead man thrice and it would answer his colleagues with the same voice dressed in white robe and they would go back to the village. One day, there was this radical villager who was very curious and inquistive this radical was not part of hunter cult; he dressed in white cloth and went to the spot where they would call the dead man and hid on a tree to see their secret. As these hunters came to call their dead colleague; first and second times b/4 third call this man jumped down from the tree and started running after these hunters. Everyone was afraid throw their gun away and the decoy they hid to represent the dead man also started running into the village and this radical man chased them towards the village b/4 he ran back to the outskirt of the village. Who will see the dead man and wait! IPA ODE TI WON NSI IRO NLA NI" Eventually, the hunters did the research and find out the man that leaked their secret but eventaully this man ran away from the village so that they would not be able to harm him.

awesome_benji:
U're a Jehovah witness guy. Reply me if u're nt.

nyameke: I have two words for you " beliefs. and " reality" your beliefs form your reality and what you don't believe in has no bearing in your reality. That's the simple truth..

African warriors could not or would not disappear or overwhelm their white invaders simple because both groups had different beliefs and thus realities.

Zeus I: Dude, there are so many place to experiment those. Say, getting yourself a day imployment in one mortuary for a night shift or travel to agulu-eri and challenge their herbalists or better still visit Aro-ndi-izogu and demand to shoot any man who presents self, if he lives, you will give him #100,000.00. That is how discovery is made.

Zeus I: Dude, there are so many place to experiment those. Say, getting yourself a day imployment in one mortuary for a night shift or travel to agulu-eri and challenge their herbalists or better still visit Aro-ndi-izogu and demand to shoot any man who presents self, if he lives, you will give him #100,000.00. That is how discovery is made.

cuteonyii: If Osisikankwu can touch something and disappear when the mobile police were around. How come he did not touch and disappear when the Army came around
If warriors could be fortified to the point the can not get gun shots.. How come nothing much was done during the civil war??
I bet you if there are stuff that can make us disappear, many people with money would have been untouchable..