davidylan:

Olabowale is simply confused. Paul is a huge thorn in the side of the islamic faith for he completely exposes the falacy of mohammed's claims.

You just hit the nail on its head!

@Pligrim.1, davidylan, etc. About Paul, the matter is on the contrary. He is not a thorn on the side of Muslims, because we do not have thorn on our side. That belongs to you, the thorn on the side, that is.

Who exposed who? You can not exposed something that is in the future, unless you are a true prophet! Since Jesus complete statements, is not in the new testament and the whole of new testament is not Jesus statements, therefore we have an inconclusive material, which is Bible to work with.

However, since Muhammad came after Paul, knowing fully well that paul was not a prophet, otherwise you will have two prophets, Jesus and paul as prophets of christianity, then we can come to this clear conclusion that Muhammad exposed/debunked paul's lies on Jesus! You do the math yourself!


Now, to my good friend pligrim.1, here are some differences between the Jesus of Islam and Jesus of the Bible. From the Qur'an, Jesus said that he is a prophet of God, who had given him knowledge of books, wisdom, told him to be kind to his mother and never be overbearing. Told him to pray, give charity and that it was peace on him, the day of his birth, day of his death and the day that he will be resurrected.

But the Jesus of the Bible spoke not with kindness about his mother and day of his death was not peaceful!

You want more?

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Pligrim.1, davidylan, etc. About Paul, the matter is on the contrary. He is not a thorn on the side of Muslims, because we do not have thorn on our side. That belongs to you, the thorn on the side, that is.

Paul is surely not a thorn to Christians, for it is Muslims who have always worried about him.

olabowale:

Who exposed who? You can not exposed something that is in the future, unless you are a true prophet! Since Jesus complete statements, is not in the new testament and the whole of new testament is not Jesus statements, therefore we have an inconclusive material, which is Bible to work with.

Olabowale, if you are looking for Jesus complete "statements", what would they be?

olabowale:

However, since Muhammad came after Paul, knowing fully well that paul was not a prophet, otherwise you will have two prophets, Jesus and paul as prophets of christianity, then we can come to this clear conclusion that Muhammad exposed/debunked paul's lies on Jesus! You do the math yourself!

Oh, I see. Your problem is that you look for only one prophet. That is not God's way of working with those who enjoy His favour. He raises several prophets at the same time.

Moses was a prophet raised by God in his own time. But are you aware that God actually had other people who prophesied during Moses' time? See Numbers 11:27-29. "Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp." Was Moses jealous? No.

And that was the attitudes of other prophets after Moses. .until the New Testament. However, God raised several other prophets among Christians - and he has continued to do so till this very day.

It is quite unhealthy for Muhammad to have claimed that he was the last prophet of God. That already is where he failed the test; because he supposed that no one else would know anything from God except him! Yet, Muhammad NEVER heard God speak to him!

olabowale:

Now, to my good friend pligrim.1, here are some differences between the Jesus of Islam and Jesus of the Bible. From the Qur'an, Jesus said that he is a prophet of God, who had given him knowledge of books, wisdom, told him to be kind to his mother and never be overbearing. Told him to pray, give charity and that it was peace on him, the day of his birth, day of his death and the day that he will be resurrected.

But the Jesus of the Bible spoke not with kindness about his mother and day of his death was not peaceful!

You want more?

That is not even a criterion at all. First, Jesus was not "unkind" to His mother. And yes, he indeed died a gruesome death on the Cross (denied in Islam) - but the great news is that He rose from the dead!!

Did Muhammad die peacefully? Sure he was in pain till he breathed his last! Sad, though, that he never rose from the dead.

Want more?

olabowale:

Now, to my good friend pligrim.1, here are some differences between the Jesus of Islam and Jesus of the Bible. From the Qur'an, Jesus said that he is a prophet of God, who had given him knowledge of books, wisdom, told him to be kind to his mother and never be overbearing. Told him to pray, give charity and that it was peace on him, the day of his birth, day of his death and the day that he will be resurrected.

But the Jesus of the Bible spoke not with kindness about his mother and day of his death was not peaceful!

You want more?

This so called "Jesus of Islam" is a fraud invented by mohammed to give legitimacy to his political movement masquerading as an idolatrous religion. There are archeological evidence, scrolls e.t.c. that prove that the Jesus of the bible actually existed. Beyond the unreliable quran, what other proof os there to show that this "prophet jesus" of the quran existed?

If merely having a knowledge of books, wisdom, kindness to our mothers, and not being overbearing is a sign of prophethood then i am also a prophet!

@Pligrim.1: T Dont lets bugged down with Paul. Islam has settled his case.

About Jesus complete statement: You've got to go back to when revelation was coming to Jesus (AS). Thats where you have to begin. While you are there, you have to collect all that was revealed to him, by his Lord! It was with his companions while he was alive and probably a short while after he was raised up. From the time of the 'new' people started putting their two bits of new ideas to the 'prestine message of Jesus', from that point, you and me do not know any longer.

It will be interesting when you tell a Jewish rabbi that during the leadership and prophethood of Moses, there were other prophets in addition to him and his brother Aaron! I wanna hear their reactions from you. The Jewish rabbis that is. maybe you will count Samiri, the one who led the children of Israel to fashion a golden calf, in the absence of Moses.

As to Muhammad (AS), his relationship is special. There is a tradition whereby Muhammad is reported to have said to Abu Bakr; Oh Abu Bakr, if I were not a friend of Allah the Almighty, I would have been that kind of friend to you. To support my statement, Allah says in the Qur'an, Muhammad rRasulullah. The call of prayers and the call to line up for prayers, known as Ahdan and Iqama, both say Asshadu anna Muhammadanr rRasulullah. Is it not clear to all, the high position of Muhammad with his Lord?

Suratul Isra and Najm  both spoke about the Night Journey of Muhammad from Makka to Jerusalem,  from where the noblest of prophet (AS) ascended to heavens, and met prophets who are stationed in heaven; eg, Adam, the first, Jesus and John the Baptist in the second, Idris in the third, and so on, until six where Moses is and the seventh for Ibrahiim. Ibrahiin was resting as to lean with on baitul mamur, exactly on the exact same spot as the kaaba, but in seventh heave.

Muhammad got  instructions of prayer/salah at this occasion, with the last part of the Suratul Baqarah, from Lilahi mafisanawati, wama fil ard to the end of the surah. Verses 284 to 286.  Muhammad, is the only prophet who received any revelation from heaven and of course we know that the rest of his revelation was on earth. The tashahud, that Muslims say when  they are in sitting position, ending the second rakah and fourth rakah in salatul Zuhr, iru aila, Asri, irun alasare, isha, irun ishai, the second rakah in salatul subh, irun asubaa and second and third rakah in salatul magrib, irun magurubi, was a dialogue of greeting being initiated when he was before Al Jabbar (Olorun Fun rara e(Allah)), and the response of the Owner of the Throne supreme and the observance of Jibril (Jibril is known as ruhu kudus;holy spirit).

Please note that Muslims belief is that Adam and his wife were created in paradise, which is not on this earth. When they were sent out of paradise, it was to this earth. So Adam and hius wife, our mother, in bodies and souls came to the earth. I have spoken about Muhammad ascending and desending between earth and heaven in this special night. From your Bible we find that Elijah was lifted to heaven. We also observe that Moses spoke to God without an angel between them, in many accasion. This does not mean that Moses saw God, but he heard His voice, so did many prophets/messengers, Muhammad as one them.

In conclusion, the coming back of jesus to this earth, in body and soul is not a surprise to the Muslims and that does not make him God or son of the Almighty! Melchelsdedek, from your Bible existed without geneology and his condition to this day is not explained to us. Some christians are now even saying that he and Jesus are one! Boy am tired of all this confusions. How best can we spin this one?

Muhammad died as it pleses his Lord that Muhammad dies. He was prepared for burial as it was revealed in Suratul Azhab, the confederates; When Muhammad died, Ali bin Abi talib said that when he wanted to take off Muhammad's cloth to give him burial wash, he Ali (RA), heard a voice from the inner room of the house, that his cloth should not be taken off, because he was a prophet. After they have shrouded him, they left him alone for a while, as it has been instructed in the same chapter, so that the angels of Al Rahman can line up and make the janazzah prayer on Muhammad.

@Davidylan: Whose gonna tame this tiger?: A big bad full grown with shiny mane LION! Good night alice!

olabowale:

@Davidylan: Whose going to tame this tiger?: A big bad full grown with shiny mane LION! Good night alice!

As usual, long stories all failing to answer the questions put across to you.

Show us proof that this mythical "Jesus of the quran" ever existed beyond the unreliable words of mohammed.

i wonder why christians alway talk about mohamed without thinking of what the crimes of other prophets in the bible.these are the crimes u claim he comitted
He married a nine years old girl, he alows muslims to have slave girls, he ordered muslims to fight and kill pagans, etc.


ANSWERS
MUHAMMED MARRIED 9YRS OLD AISHAH WHO WAS BETROTED TO HIM SINCE SHE WAS A KID.THERE HAS BEEN NO RECORD OF ANYONE SAYING HE HAD SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH HER AT THAT AGE.AND HE SANCTIONED THE USE OF SLAVE GIRLS.YOU MIGHT LOOK AT THESE NOW AS A VERY BAD THING BUT IF U READ HISTORY YOU WILL REALIZE THAT IT WAS CONSIDER AS NOTING EVEN IN THE BIBLE
COMPARE WITH THIS IN THE BIBLE UNLESS GOD IS WRONG OR HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN.TRY AND UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS NEVER CONDEMED THESE LAWS NOR DID HE PROVIDE ANY ALTERNATIVE SO HE CANT BE COMPARED TO MOHAMMED

Deuteronomy 21:11-14 If you see a pretty woman among the captives then just take her home and “go in unto her.”


Numbers 31:17-18 God commands Moses to kill all the Medianite people including children and women. To top it off he commands that the virgins be saved for later raping by Moses’ soldiers.
Exodus 21:7 God not only sanctions selling ones daughter into slavery, but he also gives out laws on how it should be done.

Leviticus 19:20 Says that if a man has sex with a slave or betrothed woman he must then “scourge” her. Scourging is a term for a severe flogging or whipping. I find it quite curious that the woman shall be punished to the point of a beating for such an occurrence, yet the man gets to go free for the deed.

THE KILLING OF PAGANS WERE CIRCUMSTANCIAL.THESE VERSE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TIME WHEN MUSLIMS WAS PERCECUTED BY THE PAGANS OF ARABIA WHO DID EVERYTHING TO DESTROY THEM.MUHAMMED LATER CONQUERED ARABIA AND HE NEVER KILLED THE PAGANS,THE EMBRACED ISLAM THEM SELVES.IT SHOULD HOWEVER BE NOTED THAT IN ISLAM CHRISTIANS AND JEWS ARE NOT REGARDED AS PAGANS.MUHAMMED LIVED PEACEFULY WITH THE JEWS IN MEDINA UNTIL THEY PLOTED TO KILL HIM TWO TIMES AND THEN BROKE A TREATY HE MADE WITH THEM BY JOINING THE PAGANS TO ATTACK THE MUSLIMS.STILL HE DID NOT KILL THEM BUT ORDERED THEM OUT OF MEDINA.

STILL THESE IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
Mass Murder

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)


You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10



Deuteronomy 3:3-7 God ordered Moses’ army to “utterly destroy” 60 cities, killing all the women and children within!
I WONDER IF GOD CAN SAY ALL THESE.YOU WILL ALL SAY THAT ALL THESE HAVE BEEN STOPED BY JESUS WHO HAVE WASHED AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD WITH HIS BLOOD.I STILL WONDER WHY GOD IF HE WAS JESUS SHOULD STOOP SO LOW AS TO ALLOW HIMSELF TO BE KILLED AND DIGRACED LIKE THAT.ALL OF YOU JUST AGREE WITHOUT THINKING.WHY CANT HE JUST FORGIVE US IF HE WAS SO MERCIFUL AND AGAIN I WONDER WHY JESUS SHOULD STILL BE IN THE CROSS ASKING HIS FATHER OR BODY THE QUESTION.

MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME. AND HE SHOULD LET THIS CUP PASS AWAY FROM HIM.THINK MY BROTHERS CAN SUCH A MAN BE GOD. MAY YOU BE BLESSED olabowale.

@pilgrim

@Olabowale,

So, just what exactly is your nightmare about quoting from any part of the Bible when your own brethren were busy claiming that the Injil (Gospel) is lost - and yet they have been sweating hard to find Muhammad in the Gospel of John?


You are still confused abi. Dont worry, the truth has been very glaring but its only God that directs.

Please was Jesus given the gospel or Nt

Is the book of matthew to revelation part of the revelation given to Jesus?

babs787:

Please was Jesus given the gospel or Nt

Is the book of matthew to revelation part of the revelation given to Jesus?

lol all these "giving of revelation" is a muslim ruse. Jesus Christ said . . . He came to FULFILL the existing law NOT to bring a new law or abolish the old law. You hypocrites should carry your "revelation given to Jesus" nonsense to ur quran study sessions.

The book of Mathew was written by Mathew, Luke by Dr. Luke e.t.c. Jesus did not come with any books. Even if He did where are they? Did allah claim to have sent them down and confirmed them? Such crooks.

They are poles apart just like the East [/b]is far from the [b]West.

@davidylan

lol all these "giving of revelation" is a muslim ruse. Jesus Christ said . . . He came to FULFILL the existing law NOT to bring a new law or abolish the old law. You hypocrites should carry your "revelation given to Jesus" nonsense to your quran study sessions.

Where is Pilgrim abi na cgift to bail you out? Are you saying that he was not given the "gospel"?

The book of Mathew was written by Mathew, Luke by Dr. Luke e.t.c. Jesus did not come with any books. Even if He did where are they? Did allah claim to have sent them down and confirmed them? Such crooks.

Please if he was noit given any book, how come the gospel? When you supply the answers, we will go to view the authenticity of those authors and compare with original manuscript

Read please on the mischief of your people with regards to the revelation given to same:

NQuraN 5 V 13 : "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)."

Also

Quran 5 v 41: "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."





@cgift

They are poles apart just like the East is far from the West.

You meant christians?

@davidylan

lol all these "giving of revelation" is a muslim ruse. Jesus Christ said . . . He came to FULFILL the existing law NOT to bring a new law or abolish the old law. You hypocrites should carry your "revelation given to Jesus" nonsense to your quran study sessions.

Where is Pilgrim abi na cgift to bail you out? Are you saying that he was not given the "gospel"?

The book of Mathew was written by Mathew, Luke by Dr. Luke e.t.c. Jesus did not come with any books. Even if He did where are they? Did allah claim to have sent them down and confirmed them? Such crooks.

Please if he was noit given any book, how come the gospel? When you supply the answers, we will go to view the authenticity of those authors and compare with original manuscript

Read please on the mischief of your people with regards to the revelation given to same:

NQuraN 5 V 13 : "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)."

Also

Quran 5 v 41: "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."





@cgift

They are poles apart just like the East is far from the West.

You meant christians?

babs787:

Please if he was noit given any book, how come the gospel? When you supply the answers, we will go to view the authenticity of those authors and compare with original manuscript

Dont be so retarded and incorigible. The gospels were written by men who are well known in the bible. Mathew the disciple wrote the book of Mathew. Mark was one of the followers of the early apostles and wrote the book of Mark. The book of Luke was written by Dr. Luke (also arguably the author of the book of acts), Luke is mentioned several times in other books as having been a part of the early apostles.
John was written by the author of Revelation.

these are known facts, all these your "giving of books" nonsense is nothing but a red herring. Another false ruse mohammed threw ur way to decieve you. Jesus Christ never came down talking about "books" . . .

To the Muslims: Please avoid davidylan as you will avoid hellfire!

babs787:

Please was Jesus given the gospel or Nt

Is the book of matthew to revelation part of the revelation given to Jesus?

davidylan:

babs787 link=topic=10471.msg1636757#msg1636757 date=1193849063:

Please if he was noit given any book, how come the gospel?

Dont be so retarded and incorigible. . .

. . all these your "giving of books" nonsense is nothing but a red herring. Another false ruse mohammed threw your way to decieve you. Jesus Christ never came down talking about "books" . . .

@davidylan,

It's quite an entertainment reading the daft arguments of Muslim apologists who keep chaing their own tails in a small circle!  

* On the one hand, the Gospel (Injil) was "LOST";

* then suddenly they woke to try and trace Muhammad in the Gospel of John;

* unable to decipher him there, they question if Jesus ever read the "Bible"

*oh no. . . they forgot: so gear changes to Allah sent down some books ~ ~

. . . and the chase begins all over from point 1 - the Injil Allah sent down are LOST!!

"Red herring" is an understatement. The whole game of chaing their tails is the quintessential modus operandi of the fraud they try to defend. . by employing as much duplicity that they could muster!

olabowale:

To the Muslims: Please avoid davidylan as you will avoid hellfire!

You know. . . I thank God for my not even bothering all this while to glance in and see what you guys have been posting on the Forum. I wonder the headaches from laughter that would have greeted me before classes. But I expected you would say the above sooner than later - it was supposed to be the best part of your solo after making so much noise that said absolute zilch!

olabowale:

To the Muslims: Please avoid davidylan as you will avoid hellfire!

Oga Olabowale, it seems the truth is too hot for you to handle. Dont worry, mohammed's folly, allah's lies, prevarications and the fraudulent quran are being exposed one after the other.

@ pilgrim.1, i tire for these roundabout islamic mode of thinking. We dont know what to believe anymore . . . how can blabs787 be asking me whether the injeel was given to Jesus Christ when they had earlier told us it was lost?

@davidylan,

davidylan:

@ pilgrim.1, i tire for these roundabout islamic mode of thinking. We don't know what to believe anymore . . . how can blabs787 be asking me whether the injeel was given to Jesus Christ when they had earlier told us it was lost?

Na today e start? Dem don dey play that game for soooo long!! Why? Just read their post again and you go understand! There's nothing to hang unto in the defence of a LOST Injil! So, best bet is take the easiest way with the Arabs: DENY, DENY, and DENY everything being discussed!!

REAL QUOTES FROM KORAN:

<a href="http://answeringPROPHETOFDOOM.net/Islamic_Quotes.php">
http://answeringPROPHETOFDOOM.net/Islamic_Quotes.php </a>

"And KILL them where ever you find them, " Quran 2:191

http://answeringprophetofdoom.net/Islam_in_Action_Kill_Them_Where_Ever_You_Find_Them.php

The Status of Women in Islam right from their Koran
http://answeringprophetofdoom.net/Women_In_The_Quran.php

<b>FINALLY EXPOSED!</b>
http://www.answeringProphetOfDoom.net

@lovejesus

It will be a waste of time trying to reply you when even a christian here knew that the site is false and most of the verses therein are not true and out of context.

So continue satisfying your stupidity.

Have a lovely day.

olabowale:

To the Muslims: Please avoid davidylan as you will avoid hellfire!

how can? Are you hoping to avoid hell when the quran says in Sura 19:71, that you will all go to hell!!!!

@cgift.

how can? Are you hoping to avoid hell when the quran says in Sura 19:71, that you will all go to hell!!!!

Do you believe that you may surely be one of the inhabitants of hell fire if you do not accept the truth before your death.

Have a lovely day.

combatant:

@cgift.

Do you believe that you may surely be one of the inhabitants of hell fire if you do not accept the truth before your death.

Have a lovely day.

I was previously made for hell but thank God Jesus Christ came and showed me the way to everlasting life in heaven. Whem MO now came, he showed you the way to Hell Fire and confirmed that allah will graciously and'lovingly' lead all muslims therein after they die!

He then went further to say that he does not know what allah will do unto him at the end of his miserable life! I have never seen such hopelessness and delusion prided as a religion.

Please accept the people of the book and thir book at last Mohammad told you to go to them to cnfirm what he (mohammad) even taught you.

Please come come come come (can you haer my song?)

combatant:

@cgift.

Do you believe that you may surely be one of the inhabitants of hell fire if you do not accept the truth before your death.

Have a lovely day.

I was previously made for hell but thank God Jesus Christ came and showed me the way to everlasting life in heaven. Whem MO now came, he showed you the way to Hell Fire and confirmed that allah will graciously and'lovingly' lead all muslims therein after they die!

He then went further to say that he does not know what allah will do unto him at the end of his miserable life! I have never seen such hopelessness and delusion prided as a religion.

Please accept the people of the book and thir book at last Mohammad told you to go to them to cnfirm what he (mohammad) even taught you.

Please come come come come (can you haer my song?)

@cgift: Surah 19;71, does not say the Muslims will go to hellfire! Oh no, far from it, sir! This is the lie of yourself with our lovely pilgrim.1, who sees if at all with some defection of sight!

Surah 19;71, applies to every human being, Muslims and non Muslims alike. It say that every one shall pass over hell. How is it that everyone will pass over hell? There is a bridge over hell, which people will pass over. If this applies to the Muslims alone, then the Muslims, who died in good faith in the Oneness of Allah and did as much good as possible, will pass through without falling into the fire of hell, InshaAllah. Those who fall in, because of any reason whatsoever, in due time, after they have been punished, will be removed and be placed in paradise, InshaAllah.

We therefore know that the non Muslims, eg you cgift, if you die in the state of disbelieve that permeates your heart, presently, since you are a keferi, then you will be herded into hellfire, because of your state of disbelieve alone. It has nothing to do with any other physical reason.

Islam is very specific about paradise and hellfire. Hell is meant for those who are not Muslim, even before the Islam of Muhammad. Since we count all prophets from our father Adam all the way to Muhammad as Muslims. Those who follow those prophets as they were supposed to be followed are counted as Muslims. That applies to the time of the old prophet and before any new prophet arrives on the stage of humanity. For illustration purpose, the people who followed Moses as Moses was commanded were Muslims. However, if there were remnant of them, when Jesus arrived with his prophethood, they should naturally follow him. Those who refused to follow him would in essence fall from the fold of the islam of Moses and of course never following Jesus.

In the same fashion, those who followed Jesus before he was raised up were Muslims. If there were remnant of them that remained when Muhammad came to the stage of humanity, they should naturally come into the folds of Muhammad's Islam. And as soon as they know of Muhammad's Islam, A very good example of this was Salman Al farsi, who left Iran and went through a journey all over the ancient world until he found himself in slavery after leaving Turkey. He finally found Muhammad in Madina. He is a success.

Let me tell you what your heart has not been able to grasp; How can a leader not know where he will end up, if his true followers are going to paradise without ever going to hell first? Then what do you think will happen to the leader? The leader ia of course the people of paradise. Allah, tabaraka wa tahallah, in surah taha told His messenger not to even worship all night. Which he had become his routine, in humility and reverence to Allah. Aisha says to him, 'oh messenger of Allh, why are you worship this much, without any rest? When your Lord has forgiven you all your sins, be it in the past or the future?'

Muhammad said to Aisha, 'shouldn't I be grateful?' That is the man that Muhammad was! Get your story straight! InshaAllah, if Moses goes to paradise, Muslims will go with him, because he is our prophet. If Jesus goes to paradise, Muslims will go with him, because he is our prophet. However, if Muhammad goes to paradise, we the Muslims will be the only group that will go with him. The rest of mankind will end in hellfire. Is this what you want for yourself?

I have three chances, and you have how many chances to go to paradise? On one hand, your Bible claims Jesus is a servant of God, when he is sent to deliver the messages/mission. On the other hand you call him God, when he is giving up his ghost, committing it to God's hand. At the same time, he was begged not to let the cup stay on his head, and said in a crying voice, why has that forsaken me?

My man you have a problem.

olabowale:

@cgift: Surah 19;71, does not say the Muslims will go to hellfire! Oh no, far from it, sir! This is the lie of yourself with our lovely pilgrim.1, who sees if at all with some defection of sight!

Surah 19;71, applies to every human being, Muslims and non Muslims alike. It say that every one shall pass over hell. How is it that everyone will pass over hell?

If the hell you are referring to here is th one of fire, please spare me. I permit only you and your familly to go therein. You are free from any of my encumberances. Just have a pleasant ride.

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olabowale:

There is a bridge over hell, which people will pass over. If this applies to the Muslims alone, then the Muslims, who died in good faith in the Oneness of Allah and did as much good as possible, will pass through without falling into the fire of hell, InshaAllah. Those who fall in, because of any reason whatsoever, in due time, after they have been punished, will be removed and be placed in paradise, InshaAllah.

Ola ola ola, I sympathise with you. And you believe the fabu? Please wake up. My Jesus? Bridge over hell, Mohammad was obviously good at fiction . Tell me, how many foot wide is the bridge? Is it longer than the Great Wall of China? I am almost bursting with laughter here . Some people are so gullible. KAI!

[quote author=olabowale link=topic=10471.msg1708723#msg1708723 date=1195760412]
We therefore know that the non Muslims, eg you cgift, if you die in the state of disbelieve that permeates your heart, presently, since you are a keferi, then you will be herded into hellfire, because of your state of disbelieve alone. It has nothing to do with any other physical reason.

As it ever occurred to you that every very learned person who is a muslim today knows that they have an herculean task to defend foolish injuctions from Mohammad? They know that the religion of islam is debasing to the intellect and a mockery of scholarship because you no you will be seen as very stupid by the time you start trying to defend why urine on your clothes can lead you to hell fire, OR why yawning means the devil is at you, OR why bad breath implies allah wont answer your prayers OR why muslims should not eat pork OR why a true muslim should not keep dogs. I just hope you still have your mind intact anyway cos these are just, In his obscession, he has concocted a story of the bridge over hell for you guys. I know Osama will blow up that bridge in due course

olabowale:

Islam is very specific about paradise and hellfire. Hell is meant for those who are not Muslim, even before the Islam of Muhammad. Since we count all prophets from our father Adam all the way to Muhammad as Muslims. Those who follow those prophets as they were supposed to be followed are counted as Muslims. That applies to the time of the old prophet and before any new prophet arrives on the stage of humanity. For illustration purpose, the people who followed Moses as Moses was commanded were Muslims. However, if there were remnant of them, when Jesus arrived with his prophethood, they should naturally follow him. Those who refused to follow him would in essence fall from the fold of the islam of Moses and of course never following Jesus.

You should just have said that Jesus was also a muslim. Please dont fool yourself. Adam never worshipped allah. Adam worshipped God. allah is not Jehovah God the Almighty. Allah was a god of the arabans with three daughters that MO commanded you people to worship only to later abrogate his dictates. So much for a prohpet that eats back his words.

olabowale:

In the same fashion, those who followed Jesus before he was raised up were Muslims. If there were remnant of them that remained when Muhammad came to the stage of humanity, they should naturally come into the folds of Muhammad's Islam. And as soon as they know of Muhammad's Islam, A very good example of this was Salman Al farsi, who left Iran and went through a journey all over the ancient world until he found himself in slavery after leaving Turkey. He finally found Muhammad in Madina. He is a success.

Muslims as in believers in Jehovah God and not allah.

olabowale:

Let me tell you what your heart has not been able to grasp; How can a leader not know where he will end up, if his true followers are going to paradise without ever going to hell first? Then what do you think will happen to the leader? The leader ia of course the people of paradise. Allah, tabaraka wa tahallah, in surah taha told His messenger not to even worship all night. Which he had become his routine, in humility and reverence to Allah. Aisha says to him, 'oh messenger of Allh, why are you worship this much, without any rest? When your Lord has forgiven you all your sins, be it in the past or the future?'

So what did he mean by that statement that he does not know what allah would do to him? You want to think for MOhammad abi? Oh! You want to put into the quran what is not thre abi? Is that allowed? Did not Mohammad say no body can alter his words? Why read into the quran what is not there? Mohammad said it categorically that HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT ALLAH WOULD DO TO HIM ~ perhaps thats why you people still pray to allah that peace may go and find him in his grave! Your salutation for Jesus implies, he alread has peace with him ~ infact the bible says he is our peace, Continue in your inferior, decietful and inconsistent "prophet". He was grossly inconsistent in his call. Dos that not bother you that he could not even substantiate his call?

olabowale:


Muhammad said to Aisha, 'shouldn't I be grateful?' That is the man that Muhammad was! Get your story straight! InshaAllah, if Moses goes to paradise, Muslims will go with him, because he is our prophet. If Jesus goes to paradise, Muslims will go with him, because he is our prophet. However, if Muhammad goes to paradise, we the Muslims will be the only group that will go with him. The rest of mankind will end in hellfire. Is this what you want for yourself?

rubbish and sheer insult to intellectualism? Hear yourself out~ Its now a subject of probability for you abi? You are just confused about your afterlife on what you pride as a religion. You now try to claim ties with all the prophets so that peradventure if any of them enters paradise, you will lay claim to that one cos 'he is your prophet' . YOU ARE A FRAUD !

olabowale:

I have three chances, and you have how many chances to go to paradise? On one hand, your Bible claims Jesus is a servant of God, when he is sent to deliver the messages/mission. On the other hand you call him God, when he is giving up his ghost, committing it to God's hand. At the same time, he was begged not to let the cup stay on his head, and said in a crying voice, why has that forsaken me?

My man you have a problem.

A FRAUDSTER! Thats what you are! Stick to your Mohammad and enjoy the gold in hell while you cross the bridge.I can imagine how you people will be pushing yourselves on that bridge into hell. Give me more fabus?

olabowale:

@cgift: Surah 19;71, does not say the Muslims will go to hellfire! Oh no, far from it, sir! This is the lie of yourself with our lovely pilgrim.1, who sees if at all with some defection of sight!

Surah 19;71, applies to every human being, Muslims and non Muslims alike. It say that every one shall pass over hell. How is it that everyone will pass over hell? There is a bridge over hell, which people will pass over. If this applies to the Muslims alone, then the Muslims, who died in good faith in the Oneness of Allah and did as much good as possible, will pass through without falling into the fire of hell, InshaAllah. Those who fall in, because of any reason whatsoever, in due time, after they have been punished, will be removed and be placed in paradise, InshaAllah.

Just imagine, controversy of the first order so you are claiming that those who go to hell will later go to heaven, i pity your religion.

In nut shell hell is temporary abi. Friends, i now see the reason why these people commit mass murder.Case closed

skyone:

Just imagine, controversy of the first order so you are claiming that those who go to hell will later go to heaven, i pity your religion.

In nut shell hell is temporary abi. Friends, i now see the reason why these people commit mass murder.Case closed

lol!

You know Mohammad was trained for some period by a catholic monk who passed the idea of purgatory to him amidst other doctrines like the trinity. Mo was so confused that he passed [b]Trinity [/b]to be God, Jesus and Mary. He just screwed up! Its the catholic teaching of purgatory that is manifesting here.

Ley olabowale and his likes continue to revel in their ignorance.