danwo:

^^^^

I don't completely follow you.

Isaiah 53:5 is a letter too?

obadiah777:

lots of questions. LOL.

1-JESUS DIED FOR MANKIND BUT NOT TO FORGIVE YOU OF YOUR SINS. THE BENEFIT TO MANKIND IS THAT BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES ARE NOW UNITED UNDER THE LAW ( EPHESIANS 2 VS 14 ) WHICH WAS MADE POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE NEW TESTAMENT AUTHORS WERE PART OF THE FIRST FRUITS WHOSE SOULS WERE RESURRECTED TO THE LORD. AS SUCH THE LORD HAD ACCESS TO THEM AS THEIR SINS HAD BEEN NAILED TO THE CROSS. THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH ( SPIRITUAL DEATH ). WHEN YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD THE LORD CANT USE YOU TO DO HIS WORK. THE LORD NEEDED THE NEW TESTAMENT WRITTEN TO ROPE IN THE GENTILES WITH THE ISRAELITES AND HENCE UNITE THE WORLD. THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN BY THE SPIRITUALLY RESSURECTED FIRST FRUITS. AS SUCH CHRIST DIED FOR THE WHOLE WORLD SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A WAY TO RECONNECT TO GOD THROUGH THE SCRIPTURES. SO THIS IS WHAT CHRIST DID FOR THE WHOLE WORLD. OFFER YOU A WAY TO RETURN TO THE FATHER. NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR SINS. YOUR SINS YOU WILL ALWAYS PAY FOR ( GALATIANS 6 VS 7 ). YOU RECONNECT WITH THE FATHER THROUGH YOUR SPIRIT BUT WHATEVER YOU DO WITH YOUR BODY YOU WILL PAY FOR IT. IF YOU WANT TO BE FULLY CONNECTED AND IN GOOD STANDING WITH GOD ? YOU HAVE TO OBEY ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 13. AND I CAN HEAR YOU SAY BUT THE OLD TESTAMENT IS DONE AWAY WITH. CHRIST SAID I COME IN THE WHOLE VOLUME OF THE BOOK. SO YOUR WORK IS TWOFOLD. RECONNECT TO THE FATHER IN YOUR SPIRIT VIA HIS WORDS AND SECONDLY YOU DO THE WORK WHICH IS KEEPING THE COMMANDS SO THAT YOU DONT GET THE LORD CORRECTING YOU BY GALATIANS 6 VS 7. FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS RUBBISH. WORKS IS OBEYING THE COMMANDS. CHRIST DID NOT DIE FOR YOUR SINS, HE DIED SO YOU CAN HAVE THE SCRIPTURES WHICH WILL RECONNECT YOU TO GOD.

F00028:

ahem ...Isaiah 53:5 does not refer to Jesus what makes you think that?


if you want old testament prophesy about Jesus try psalm 91

danwo:

@F00028

What you on about?

Obadiah777 said all those references I submitted were letters, which is why I was asking him whether that Isaiah 53:5 prophecy too is a letter

He kept schtum on that, keeping his peace

F00028:

letter or not it was not about Jesus Christ.

you should stop putting it out there like it is.

peace.

obadiah777: ok before i answer that question. i need a favor from you. can you show me that part of the bible where it says Jesus died for our sins. give me verses. i would appreciate that

Ayomivic:

are you a christian? Why are you so confused like athiests and others religions? Many prophets had foretold the death of Jesus Christ and the significance of his death. Jesus knew this while on earth. So his death was not by mistake at all.

F00028:

he knew then explain me this:

danwo:

@obadiah777

Without resorting to almost saying you are erratic and tangled up with scriptural instability,

I'll admit you can be most times, a true definition of hard work. No offense.

Lord have mercy on a non-swimmer

There are gleams of daylight through the cracks though.

Rossikk: But where is the proof that there ever was a person named Jesus Christ?

That's the question folks ought to be asking.

I mean, just because it says so in the bible, and a couple of other dodgy christian sources, doesn't mean this character actually ever existed. There are no solid records of him outside the bible.

danwo:

@F00028

What you on about?

Obadiah777 said all those references I submitted were letters, which is why I was asking him whether that Isaiah 53:5 prophecy too is a letter

He kept schtum on that, keeping his peace

Ayomivic:
This statement of yours shows clearly that you don't have much knowledge of the scriptur. Ok, can you explain this verses

". . . .For this is my blood of the new testament which is shed for many for the remission of sins"( Matth 26:28, Mark 14:24)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinner, christ died for us.Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from warth through him. For if ,when we were enemies, we were reconcile to God by the death of his son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so,but we also joy in God through our lord Jesus Christ by whom we have now received the atonement."(Roman 5:8-11)

I will urge you to read the whole book of Romans for better understanding

Nuezha:

If Jesus armed His Disciples according to you why did he refrain Peter from using same at His arrest?

Nuezha:

Remember, Jesus earnestly desired to fulfil the scriptures...

Nuezha:

If Jesus armed His Disciples according to you why did he refrain Peter from using same at His arrest?

F00028:

easy. because when he finally came face to face with his enemies they outnumbered! resistance would have been futile. -mark 14:43

Nuezha:

Remember, Jesus earnestly desired to fulfil the scriptures...

F00028:

if that were true then why all the drama?

why would he cry , my God why have you forsaken me, on the cross?

obadiah777: YOU ERR BRAH. YOU ERR. LISTEN, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR. WHEN READING THE NEW TESTAMENT TRY TO READ THE VERSES BEFORE AND AFTER SO YOU CAN SEE WHO IT IS ADDRESSED TO. LIKE I KEEP SAYING, THE NEW TESTAMENT IS 'A RECRUITMENT AND INDOCTRINATION' OF BRETHRENS WHO WERE PART OF THE FIRST RESSURECTION WHEN CHRIST SEALED THEM IN HIS DEATH. THE DEATH OF CHRIST UNITED BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES SO THESE ELECT MEN WERE BEING RECRUITED TO GO SPREAD THE NEWS TO THE GENTILES. THIS IS WHAT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS ABOUT. A DRIVE TO SPIRITUALLY CIVILIZE THE GENTILE NATIONS. IN THE MIDST OF IT THE FIRST FRUITS WROTE LETTERS TO EACH OTHER. THIS IS WHAT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS ABOUT. YOU GUYS READ THOSE LETTERS DIRECTED AT OTHER PEOPLE AND THINK IT IS REFERING TO THE WHOLE WORLD. YOU ERR BROTHER YOU ERR

Ayomivic:


Ok answer these questions.

who are the gentile?


What was the purpose of spreading the news to the gentile as you said and the purpose of uniting Jew with gentiles?


if Jesus was sent to Israel and not to the world, what will be the faith of other nations of the world in the day of Judgement?

What makes your so call elected diffèrent to the rest of Isreal and the rest of the world?


May be the way you said you are reading Bible is what cause your confussion? Try to read Bible from the beginning, i mean from genesis to revelation that is what a good christians should do.It is after you do that, that you can read in verses and when you are reading verses don't just pick the verses, try to read from the beginning of that chapter.

obadiah777:
... those elect are the holy govt in heaven. they are the law men and the rulers and governors.

Kay 17:

I think if God is omnipotent, Jesus wouldn't have been necessary.

Kay 17: I think if God is omnipotent, Jesus wouldn't have been necessary.

Kay 17:

Note: that God is all-powerful, almighty, and omnipotent,

therefore releasing him from any rule of necessity because they are below him.

Jesus wasn't needed to be sacrificed.

F00028:

why do we need rusers and governors in heaven?

danwo:

@Kay 17

I intend no offense by these remarks.

Awwww cute but ignorance is bliss.

God will be setting a precedent

and a bad one or example for that matter if He cannot obey and abide by His word.

The original or beginning template had to be replaced

The new template within the boundaries of the rule came in the person of Jesus.

You know what a template is and what it is used for or what it is all about, don't you?

obadiah777: we need rulers because heaven is not what you think it is. heaven is also the state of the earth as well as the state of the human spirit, and the people who do not make it while they will be in heaven will still have corrupt spirits. so they will still have the tendency to sin. thats where the rulers come in. one of the advantages of making it to heaven is that you will be given authority over those who did not make it and the lord allows you permission to be violent with them if they sin

REVELATION 2 VS 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

SO BASICALLY IF YOU MAKE IT TO HEAVEN, YOU WILL BE IN CHARGE OF THOSE WHO DID NOT MAKE IT AND YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO FORK THEM UP EVERY CHANCE YOU GET. YOU WILL BE THE ONE TAKING OUT THE LORDS VENGEANCE ON THOSE WHO DIDNT MAKE IT. THOSE WHO KILLED PEOPLE ON EARTH, YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO KILL THEM. THOSE WHO ENSLAVED PEOPLE ON EARTH ? YOU WILL PUT THEM IN HARDCORE SLAVERY IN HEAVEN ( REVELATIONS 13 VS 10 ) ( JEREMIAH 30 VS 16 ), WHATEVER JUDGEMENTS THEY HAVE COMING TO THEM ? THOSE WHO MADE IT TO HEAVEN WILL BE REQUIRED TO MAKE THEIR LIVES A LIVING HELL. THOSE WHO LYNCHED PEOPLE ON EARTH ? YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO LYNCH THEM. BASICALLY YOU WILL BECOME THE EAGLE WHILE THOSE WHO DIDNT MAKE IT WILL BE THE DEAD THAT YOU FEED ON. THATS HEAVEN ON EARTH. SO BASICALLY YOU DONT WANT TO BE THE DEAD IN HEAVEN BECAUSE YOUR AZZ WILL BE BROKEN DOWN VIOLENTLY BY THOSE WHO MADE IT AND THEY HAVE THE LORDS PERMISSION TO DO IT ( REVELATIONS 2 VS 26 )