Boomark: It always good to start from the beginning and not from the middle.

The reward Christ is coming with is given to Him by the Father just as the promised Holy spirit He poured on all flesh was given to Him by the Father.
Acts2:33
33 Exalted to the right hand of
God, he has received from the
Father the promised Holy Spirit
and has poured out what you
now see and hear.

Col1:18
Christ is first in all things that why is the alpha and omega. First born of all creation...etc.

God is indivisible and mankind cannot dissect Him into three to have God, the Father, God, the Son and God, the Spirit. The word of God echoed through the universe and declaring, “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One God.” (Deut.6:4) The first Century saints knew no such division of God into three equal individual Beings. As 1Cor.11:3 says, “But I will have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of every woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” And when one declares that the indivisible God has come to be three by the making of man, it bothers on the line of blasphemy and it is punishable by spiritual death here and here after.

The confusion of mankind and the wanting in knowledge and wisdom created three Gods out of One God. There are scriptures that the Church fathers and translators of the ancient text have mangled in order that the word of God would read smoothly. From the third century onward, man has wrestled with these scriptures as they were helping God to make His word read clearly and thus produced Trinitarian doctrine. They should have left the scriptures as they were and not have tampered with them. They left us a distorted version of the God who is indivisible. Beginning from the third Century to this day, they have caused a disharmony in the scriptures and plunged the entire world into chaos as to the nature of God. We are still wrestling with it today and trying to make sense with three Gods in One. This was an error, a mistake and a fallacy!

God had a Son and He gave Him His spirit for the purpose of redeeming mankind to Himself. You know the rest of the story. Jesus died for our sins in order to bring us to God, His Father and all who will acknowledge Him as such, will have everlasting life. (Jn.3:16) There were some saints from the beginning of the 3rd Century who just could not accept that God could put His spirit upon the prophets, Christ, the Apostles, Moses, the seventy Elders and all the saints who have asked for the spirit of God, without reducing His person. We have all forgotten that He is God Almighty and that there is nothing too hard for Him. He could raise up stones and turned them to worshippers. (Gen.18:14) Num.11:24-30

Rev. Henry Aikondion Idonije (2012-08-23). God Divided? You Can't.: Trinity: A Blasphemy of God. A Kingdom Divided, Falls Not Stand. (Kindle Locations 152-163). AuthorHouse. Kindle Edition.

The concept of the Oneness of God was stressed by Moses in a Biblical passage known as the “Shema,” or the Jewish creed of faith: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” (Deuteronomy 6:4) It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus when he said: “. . . The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.” (Mark 12:29) In reality, the term Trinity was a battle between the Bishops and the Deacons, but the Bishops won the battle and the word Trinity was etched into Christianity. Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century. This doctrine, which continues to be a source of controversy both within and without the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons—the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit—in one divine being.

Rev. Henry Aikondion Idonije (2012-08-23). God Divided? You Can't.: Trinity: A Blasphemy of God. A Kingdom Divided, Falls Not Stand. (Kindle Locations 177-185). AuthorHouse. Kindle Edition.

Let’s put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father + one person, God the Son + one person, God the Holy Ghost = one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish? It is said that Athanasius, the bishop who formulated this doctrine, confessed that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly expressing his thoughts regarding it.

Rev. Henry Aikondion Idonije (2012-08-23). God Divided? You Can't.: Trinity: A Blasphemy of God. A Kingdom Divided, Falls Not Stand. (Kindle Locations 189-191). AuthorHouse. Kindle Edition.

frosbel:

God bless brother, it takes humility to reject the trinity.

Boomark:

God bless you too dear.

I hope your write up will not cause confusion. It is always better in small write up and straight to the point.

Cheers.

Enigma:

Revelation 22




1. Who is the person that is coming with His reward that is with Him?

2. Is it God the Father?

3. Or is it Jesus Christ?

4. Is the person who is coming not the one referred to as Alpha and Omega?


So, now tell yourself (and not me),

12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Ihedinobi: Yeah, Jesus is most definitely God as He is most definitely Man or else He couldn't have mediated between Man and God. He was and is a true and impartial representative of both sides, fully answering their demands, if any, and for their responsibilities, if any.

Ihedinobi:
A denial of Jesus's Deity or His Humanity is the denial of salvation itself and effectively removes the one denying out of fellowship with children of God. It is thus a betrayal of the Blood of the Covenant to receive such a one as a brother.

ApostlePat:

Yours is an insightful and revelation such as the Apostle John. The Apostle called such people ANTICHRIST operating in the spirit of Antichrist of the end time. Apostle John wrote in II John 1 vs 7, in the New Living Translation, "I say this because many deceivers have gone out into the world. They deny that Jesus Christ came in a real body. Such a person is a deceiver and an antichrist".

What in the world is this Apostle saying to our generation by revelation? The same Apostle wrote in John 1:1 and 14,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth".

The Apostle John is saying to our generation by revelation that the Word that is God and was with God became flesh or human and dwell among us. This Word is Christ in his pre-existence and this Jesus is God. Any Christian that says Jesus Christ is not God, though not the Father, such Christian is operating in the spirit of Antichrist of the last days.



Again, yours is a kingdom statement filled with the knowledge of the word of God. All New Testament writers agree that Jesus is God that came to us in human form. Apostle Paul confess same eternal truth. In I Timothy 3 vs 16 in the GOD'S WORD® Translation says "The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory".

The "He" therein is God. Who on earth is this God that appeared in human nature? It was Jesus Christ, not the Father and in this verse Jesus Christ is God. BELOVED, BEWARE OF THE ANTICHRIST SPIRITS AND DECEIVERS IN THE LAST DAYS!

Ihedinobi:

The Lord bless you, bro/sis. May His Grace be multiplied to you.

ApostlePat:

Yours is an insightful and revelation such as the Apostle John. The Apostle called such people ANTICHRIST operating in the spirit of Antichrist of the end time. Apostle John wrote in II John 1 vs 7, in the New Living Translation, "I say this because many deceivers have gone out into the world. They deny that Jesus Christ came in a real body. Such a person is a deceiver and an antichrist".

What in the world is this Apostle saying to our generation by revelation? The same Apostle wrote in John 1:1 and 14,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth".

The Apostle John is saying to our generation by revelation that the Word that is God and was with God became flesh or human and dwell among us. This Word is Christ in his pre-existence and this Jesus is God. Any Christian that says Jesus Christ is not God, though not the Father, such Christian is operating in the spirit of Antichrist of the last days.



Again, yours is a kingdom statement filled with the knowledge of the word of God. All New Testament writers agree that Jesus is God that came to us in human form. Apostle Paul confess same eternal truth. In I Timothy 3 vs 16 in the GOD'S WORD® Translation says "The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory".

The "He" therein is God. Who on earth is this God that appeared in human nature? It was Jesus Christ, not the Father and in this verse Jesus Christ is God. BELOVED, BEWARE OF THE ANTICHRIST SPIRITS AND DECEIVERS IN THE LAST DAYS!

Ihedinobi: Yeah, Jesus is most definitely God as He is most definitely Man or else He couldn't have mediated between Man and God. He was and is a true and impartial representative of both sides, fully answering their demands, if any, and for their responsibilities, if any.

A denial of Jesus's Deity or His Humanity is the denial of salvation itself and effectively removes the one denying out of fellowship with children of God. It is thus a betrayal of the Blood of the Covenant to receive such a one as a brother.

Enigma:


Bros, I agree with most of these except I think the last sentence should probably be tempered.

There are a number of senses in which the word "brother" could be used legitimately even in relation to non-Christians. Purely, as human beings it could be fair to refer to another as "brother"; compare also "my Naija brother", "my African brother", "my Igbo brother" or in the case of our West Indian friends "me bredren".

As I said, I agree with most of your post and I certainly agree that it is the spirit of anti-Christ that makes a person deny that Jesus IS God - no matter that the person may be well intended.

Trinity: Spirit of the Antichrist




1. The Trinity is Antichrist because it implicitly denies that Christians are begotten of God

In the doctrine of the Trinity, there is only one begotten child of God, Jesus, and there will never be more than one begotten child of God. He was, and will forever be, God's "only begotten son." In the doctrine of the Trinity, there is no possibility that you or me can really be God's own son or daughter. This is the spirit of the antichrist. All those who are born again from above by the Spirit of God are begotten children of God and God is truly their own Father. Jesus is "the firstborn of many brothers." When Jesus walked in Galilee and when Jesus suffered on the cross, he was indeed God's only begotten son. No one else had ever been begotten of God except Jesus. But that is no longer true. The very point of God sending his son to die on the cross and rise again was not so that he might remain God's only begotten son but so that he might be the firstborn of many begotten sons and daughters of God. The doctrine of the Trinity robs this away from the children of God by having them think that only Jesus will ever be God's own true child.

Every true believer who has been born again of the Spirit is a begotten child of God. It is the lie of Trinity doctrine that only Jesus is really God's own begotten child. It is the lie of Trinity doctrine that believers are not God's own begotten children. It is the same spirit of the antichrist that led those who killed Jesus. They could not bear the notion that a human being could possibly be God's own son. And that same spirit of antichrist cannot bear that many human beings have now become begotten children of God.

A difficulty here is that many people may suppose that such language is motivated by an intention to demonize a doctrine simply for the sake of demonizing a doctrine. But if indeed this doctrine is rooted in the spirit of antichrist, we must recognize that reality. The religious leaders killed Jesus because they could not bear the thought that a human being was God's very own son and it was on this basis that they wanted him dead. The same spirit of the antichrist will then likewise reject the notion that any other human, such as you or me, could possibly be God's own begotten child. But the Scriptures plainly teach us that true believers are those who are begotten of God by the Spirit of God.

They have died to that life into which they had been born of natural parents and they were begotten again into a new life where their father is God and God is truly their father just as God was truly Jesus' father. As Peter says, they are "partakers of the divine nature." God is spirit, Holy Spirit. And to be a true child of God means we must be, by nature, a spiritual being. Spirit gives birth to spirit. And that is who you are in indeed you have been born again. You are a begotten child of God and He is truly your own father. The spirit of antichrist would have you believe that only Jesus will ever be a true child of God.

And that is the devil's lie. All who have been begotten of the Spirit of God are truly His own children just as baby Jesus was His own child since he had been begotten of the Spirit of God. God makes us his sons and daughters not by some vague undefined notion of "adoption." God makes us truly his sons and daughters by begetting us so that we, like Jesus, are truly begotten of God. If we have been born again, God is truly our own Father because he begat us.


2. The Trinity is Antichrist because it necesssarily denies that Christ himself is in us.

Christ himself dwells in believers. God the Father dwells in believers. Jesus promised that the Father and the Son would come to make their home in us. This is because believers have the Holy Spirit in them. The Scriptures testify that believers only have ONE Spirit in them, the Holy Spirit of the Living God. In this way the Father and the Son are in them because the Father and the risen Son are that one Spirit. But in the doctrine of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit is most definitely NOT the Son and the Holy Spirit is most definitely NOT the Father. How then could the Father and Son be abiding in anyone who denies that the Father and Son are that one Spirit? But this is the case in the doctrine of the Trinity since the Holy Spirit is NOT the Father and the Holy Spirit is NOT the Son. In the doctrine of the Trinity, the only possible way that the Father and the Son could possibly be in believers is for the Father and the Son to be separate spirits since neither the Father or the Son is the Holy Spirit.

Hence, the Trinitarian must either confess he has three Spirits in him, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, or he must confess that only one Spirit is in him who is not the Father and not the Son and thus he must deny that the Father of the Son is in him since that one Spirit is NOT the Father or the Son. But since the Scriptures testify that we only have ONE Spirit in us, the Holy Spirit, the Trinitarian must therefore deny that Christ is in him since the Holy Spirit is not Christ and Christ is not the Holy Spirit in his doctrine. This is the Spirit of the Antichrist which denies the Father and the Son.


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Enigma:


Bros, I agree with most of these except I think the last sentence should probably be tempered.

There are a number of senses in which the word "brother" could be used legitimately even in relation to non-Christians. Purely, as human beings it could be fair to refer to another as "brother"; compare also "my Naija brother", "my African brother", "my Igbo brother" or in the case of our West Indian friends "me bredren".

As I said, I agree with most of your post and I certainly agree that it is the spirit of anti-Christ that makes a person deny that Jesus IS God - no matter that the person may be well intended.

Ihedinobi:

However, I prefer "thus" in the sense of "in this way", not "and so" in my statement. (edit: I nearly changed the word to "therefore", but I had the beginnings of an understanding into the existence of other "brotherhoods" than that of the Faith, so I retained it.) I agree that with all of Frosbel's madness, he is still my brother according to the flesh. But within the community of believers, I do not recognize his claim to brotherhood or the claim of any who kick against the Perfection and Necessity of the Atonement of Lord Jesus.


Edited.

Enigma:


Bros, I agree with most of these except I think the last sentence should probably be tempered.

There are a number of senses in which the word "brother" could be used legitimately even in relation to non-Christians. Purely, as human beings it could be fair to refer to another as "brother"; compare also "my Naija brother", "my African brother", "my Igbo brother" or in the case of our West Indian friends "me bredren".

As I said, I agree with most of your post and I certainly agree that it is the spirit of anti-Christ that makes a person deny that Jesus IS God - no matter that the person may be well intended.

[quote author=Ihedinobi]@Frosbel

Your most recent article on this page is quite interesting. It is so because it takes the Truth of God and makes a lie out of It. This is what happens when the Foundation is destroyed. Should one reject the Foundation of Christ, confusion sets in, where actual truths are related in the most deceptive ways.

It is true that every child of God is as truly begotten as Jesus Christ is. But not because they're on any kind of par with Him. We are children of God, begotten truly of Him, because we have been given the Spirit of Him Who is truly the only begotten of God. Don't bother about shouting that that is confusing. It is bound to be to one for whom up is down and down is up.

Regardless, I will explain. We who have become sons of God are not so "individually" really, we are sons in the Son. Our sonship is essentially Christ's Sonship. God recognizes us as "genetic" children of His because He sees Christ when He looks at us, not because He birthed us separately from Christ. We are sons in Christ NOT like Christ.

As for three Spirits indwelling the believer rather than one, Jesus said that whoever had seen Him had seen the Father. In other words, it's absurd to demand to see the Father when Jesus is standing right in front of you.

Also He said that the Spirit of Truth would be with us forever and said that He Himself too would be with us always even to the end of the age. In other words, the Presence of the Holy Spirit = the Presence of Jesus Himself = the Presence of the Father Himself. If anyone has the Spirit of Christ, He has Christ Himself and the Father as well. This is because while Each is a Separate Person, They are all essentially One. Like I have said elsewhere, Their Unity is so absolute that even while One "alone" might be doing or saying or being something, the Others share His experience vitally as if it were Their Very Own Actions, Words and States/Conditions.

Again, if you feel confused, you need not express it.

plappville: Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

Who is the commander? and who is to carrying out the command? TWO INVOLVE HERE NON?


When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is--that she is a sinner."

They believed Him as a prophet!

Matthew 21:11 The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee."

Couldn't they have called him God instead?

Luke 7:16 They were all filled with awe and praised God. "A great prophet has appeared among us," they said. "God has come to help his people."

Why do we now change it?

John 4:19 "Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet.

The woman didn't know Him so well?

Ihedinobi:

Lady, did anyone tell you that Jesus is or was not human?

plappville:

If you claim God is 3 in one, and you agreed that Jesus is/was human, then how can he be human and God?

God/Yahweh is not Human as i know.

Boomark: Ihedinobi, read the bible Quotes
above from frosbel in page 1 -John
5:19-22. I know you wouldn't
want to. But it will give you a
clue as to what the Son does and
what He says. So that when you
read something like 'I and my
Father are one' or 'I am the alpha
and the omega' you will not get
confused.
Ok. Jesus is God. How does it
make Him greater or equal with
the Father?(don't use the wrong
assumption made by the
phareseas who Christ said don't
know the scripture to prove it)
How does it support trinity?

This is the question i asked before. Leave Enigma and others alone with your confusion and learn. We are already getting some where.

vedaxcool: You know all this argument would have been solved had it been you guys accepted the Qur'an, the word of God.