jaegermesiter:


You have reliably been told wrong

ayoku777:


You're absolutely correct.

I believe the temple and the ordinances shown Ezekiel in those chapters were a conditional prophecy/proposal from God to the jews, for a post-exile and pre-new covenant sub-dispensation under the law.

Which was to span the about 490 years from the return from exile to the coming of Christ.

And the fulfilment of that prophecy was conditioned on if they repented, put away all their idols and return to God with all their heart and soul. Something they didn't do.

Ezekiel 43v9  -Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.

10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.

11  And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

But they didn't turn to God with all their heart and didn't even build the second temple according to the measurement and ordinances given. And many other factors.

So the prophecy/proposal didn't come to pass and it will not come to pass again, since we are already under the new covenant now. And all the ordinances of worship that would have existed in that sub-dispensation has now been abolished by Christ's death and resurrection.

But indeed, nothing was symbolic in that vision. They were all prophecies of an intended but conditional literal temple and ordinances of worship for a post-exile and pre-new covenant era. Which didn't come to pass because of sin.

Shalom

vooks:



Really?

Consecration to Our Lady by Pope John Paul II

Immaculate Conception, Mary my Mother
Live in me, act in me.
Speak in and through me.
Think your thoughts in my mind.
Love through my heart.
Give me your dispositions and feelings.
Teach, lead and guide me to Jesus.
Correct and enlighten and expand my thoughts and behaviour.
Possess my soul and take over my entire personality and life.
Replace it with yourself.
Incline me to constant adoration and thanksgiving.
Pray in and through me.
Let me live in you and keep me in this union always. Amen.

jaegermesiter:
Prayer of conscretion not worship,please kindly upload the various prayers of consecration to the sacred heart,infant Jesus,st. Jude thaddeus,st. Thomas and aquinas and so many other.
Pope john paul 11 was known for his devout devotion to Mary that in all his letters he started with Totus tuus,the prayer you just upload,'Teach me and guide me to Jesus'

vooks:


Rubbish,
The prayer specifically requests to be POSSESSED

jaegermesiter:

By a divine being,to guide you to Jesus christ,member of the church triumphant

jaegermesiter:

By a divine being,to guide you to Jesus christ,member of the church triumphant

jaegermesiter:
Words of the prayer of Blessed Mary of the Divine HeartEdit
My most loving Jesus, I consecrate myself anew today and without reserve to Your Divine Heart. To You I consecrate my body with all its senses, my soul with all its faculties. and my whole being. To you I consecrate all my thoughts, words and works; all my sufferings and labors; all my hopes, consolations and joys; and chiefly I consecrate to You my poor heart that I may love but You, and be consumed as a victim in the flames of Your love.

Accept, O Jesus, my most loving Spouse, the desire I have to console Your Divine Heart and to belong to You forever. Take possession of me in such a manner that henceforward I may have no other liberty than that of loving You, no other life than that of suffering and dying for you.

In You I place unbounded confidence, and I hope for pardon of my sins from Your infinite mercy. In Your hands I lay all my cares and principally that of my eternal salvation. I promise to love You and to honor You until the last moment of my life, and to propagate as far as I am able, with the help of Your Divine grace, devotion to Your most Sacred Heart.

Dispose of me O Divine Heart of Jesus, according to Your good pleasure. I desire no other recompense than Your greater glory and Your holy love.

Grant me the grace to find in Your most Sacred Heart my dwelling place; there I desire to pass each day of my life; there I wish to breathe forth my last sigh. Make also my heart Your abode, the place of Your repose; that so we may remain intimately united until one day I may praise, love and possess You for all eternity, and sing forever the infinite mercies of Your most Sacred Heart. Amen.

vooks:


You denied seeking possession. Are you possessed by the virgin?

vooks:


You denied seeking possession. Are you possessed by the virgin?

jaegermesiter:

Pls be careful with your diction as been possessed is synonymous with unclean spirits and excorcism,we are talking about the mother of christ who was present at pentecost

jaegermesiter:
My prayer is the prayer of the universal church

dmandy:

What's funny? Is he not correct, If you fall down from your chair while laughing, are you not worshipping?

dmandy:

What's funny? Is he not correct, If you fall down from your chair while laughing, are you not worshipping?

jaegermesiter:
My prayer is the prayer of the universal church

jaegermesiter:

Pls be careful with your diction as been possessed is synonymous with unclean spirits and excorcism,we are talking about the mother of christ who was present at pentecost

ebukason3:
The rosary is a powerful simple bold prayer. There was a time we went to mountain to pray, as we are asking for Gods mercy a voice audible to us all said "i will not forgive you" many times. We cry for mercy, liedown on bare mountain, sang psalm 51 still the voice persists; Then we said the rosary with the stations of the cross, and the voice then said "so you come through my mother; you can now...". The rosary is all about meditation, contemptlation on the birth, life , death, resurrection of Lord Jesus Christ(joyful,sorrowful,glorious and mysteries of light) and imploying Marys intercession just as She did it cannan added to angelic salute of angel Gabriel. I know some non-catholics do say the chaplet of divine mercy and precious blood of Jesus Christ.

Christianity is all about being Christ like; just as it was recorded in antioch. The problem with some Catholics they don't know what they have and problem with non-Catholics is that "my G.O said.." bread and buyer Christianity forging the cross.

God bless us all.

brocab:
Where did you get this story from?
Repeatedly you went up to the mountain to pray to God, and sang Psalm 51, God then answered you and said. I will forgive you many times.
And then your story changed from receiving forgiveness from God, all of a sudden you decided to pick up the rosaries and start praying to His Mother-wasn't God's forgiveness good enough for you?
Really is it worth the risk, you know you are lying against the word of God, saving yourselves from the condemnation of your Church will not save you. You are lying to yourselves and the Church in this matter, fear God-not the Catholic Church.
Your fears are to far beyond, you said: God answered you, and then what happen the spirit of the Church took God by surprise, and then a second "voice" told you to pick up the Rosaries and start praying to His Mother, Why would God go against His own words, and say, The Rosaries are the station of the cross, again He said, so you come through My Mother.
He had already answered your prayers, forgiven you, isn't that enough?
It seems, with this story you were listening to two voices, God's voice forgave you on the mountain, and the second voice said come and pray the Rosaries.
It seems God isn't worthy of His own authority Psalm 5:2, Acts 7:59, Ephesians 5:20, John 15:16, 16:23.
All these scriptures say we can only pray to God the Father in Jesus name, there are no scriptures written in the bible concerning we pray to Mary the Mother of Jesus.
Mary hasn't got that authority to receive prayers from anybody, nor answer them.
Don't forget Mary said do what ever Jesus tells you to do, she was letting them know Jesus has been given all the authority given by God the Father. No authority was given to Mary the Mother of Jesus, our prayers are directed to God alone. You are wasting your time.

ebukason3:

pls bro cab, i don't really know what you did not understand, i will try my best answer some of the issues you raised.
Where did you get this story from?
That was my personal experience December 2013. Since i have been a charismatic; that was first time i experience such.
Repeatedly you went up to the mountain to pray to God, and sang Psalm 51, God then answered you and said. I will forgive you many times.
i was talking a particular encounter here, after the psalm 51 and crying for mercy; the voice still persist, then we ask for Marys intercession through the rosary.
Really is it worth the risk, you know you are lying against the word of God, saving yourselves from the condemnation of your Church will not save you.
what's the lying here, was it that my own experience was a lie, or saying the rosary was a lie against the word of God? John19:26-27 made me understand that Mary is a mother to a disciple. Revelation 5:8 and 8:3-4 tells me that saints offer our prayers to God; how much more of mother of Jesus whom interced in john2:1-11 by just being invited to a wedding. Don't forget this all generations shall call Mary blessed (Luke1:48).
On question of being saved i believed in Jesus Christ see (acts 16:30, Roman 10:9) and always said it in the creed.
and then a second "voice" told you to pick up the Rosaries and start praying to His Mother, Why would God go against His own words, and say, The Rosaries are the station of the cross,
there was no any second voice and i did not see "the rosaries are station of the cross " on my post.

One of my brother had another experience, it happened that one of our charismatic brother left the catholic faith although still friends, one day my brother had a prayer meeting to attend in lagos so stayed with the old friend, now as the old friend came to pick him at the prayer venue, they were about to close and saying the prayer "we fly to thy patronage..." the old friend joined hands with them anointing threw him mightly down. There were many many experiences.

In our relationship with God; its not all about praying in tongues (there are tongues beyond upperroom), vision, prophesy, for many have received the gift of the holy spirit in premature repentance. As you grow spiritually you will have different revelations God, You also need mentors when you outgrow your mentor take another mentor. Holy spirit is really a helper, so is mother Mary an intercessor. May God continue to bless us all.

brocab:
Sorry I did read it wrong, so God didn't forgive you? God's a forgiven God.
As you can see-we Christians are much different then you Christians, we believe God's a forgiven God, in your case God didn't forgive you. So you tried through His Mother praying the rosary's, and God said so you come through My Mother.
This story still sounds to far fetch-first you say, you had heard God's voice on the mountain, and then after He answered your prayers, you then decided to pray the rosary's asking Mary for that same forgiveness. Why?
Well when Jesus gave us mentors, He gave us some pastors, some teachers, some evangelist, etc. Mary can't teach you, nor can she pastor you, nor evangelise?
Just read back on your prayers page, and you will find your prayer Quote> we said the rosary's with the stations of the cross.
And the voice then said, you come through my mother, you can now, "The rosary is all about meditation.

ebukason3:


I felt you do not believe in the rosary nor in Marys intercession. If you have experience the new birth and have receive the baptism of the HolyGhost, ask the HolySpirit for revelations on "Marys intercession and rosary" just ask the HolySpirit.

ijawkid:


Lol........

And I think Jesus is still praying that the cup should pass over Him till today abi??

Did Jesus recite that prayer every morning and evening??

did Jesus start reciting that prayer from his birth ,till he was impaled and after his ressurection??

Italo you have got no idea of what prayer is and how you guys follow a routine of stereotypical prayers bowing down before images and using the rosary all in the name of wanting to worship God........

Jesus prayed heartfelt prayers to his heavenly Father,.......and not some memorized repititive words of prayer......

Jesus never adopted pagan traditions to worship his Father.....

Jesus worshipped his Father in spirit and in truth.......

Every morning you wake up you keep repeating the same slogan over and over again...

""Hail mary mother of God please pray for us sinners""

Did Jesus teach you that??

Please answer the posters question....

Why do you use the rosary in prayers.??...

Who started it??what's its origin??

I just wrote down exactly were u guys adopted the use of beads in worship...

If its not true please rebut it.....

ijawkid:


Lol........

Why do you use the rosary in prayers.??...

Who started it??what's its origin??

I just wrote down exactly were u guys adopted the use of beads in worship...

If its not true please rebut it.....

uyplus:
Would luv 2knw y cathlcs bow to mary's statue, and pray repetetive prayers with da rosary, which the bible condemns.. Is bowin to a statue nt idolatry pls??

brocab:
The truth of this matter is, they pray the rosary's because they haven't found Jesus in their hearts...

Emasearu:

I'm sorry, but I find this comment of yours offensive. It seems you're not familiar w/ the Rosary. It's both a prayer and a reflection of the life of "Jesus", and some bits about His mother. As a prayer, it's addressed to God as Trinity; and at certain points of the prayer, to God the Father & God the Holy Spirit. At the Our Father's, we pray directly to God. And at the Hail Mary's to Mary asking her to speak to her Son on our behalf, because she's His mother and with Him in Heaven. We believe that God raised her up in status by making her the Mother of the Word. By that very fact we know she has a special place in Heaven, and that her prayers are very powerful w/ Him. What I think you don't know if that at the end of the prayer, we beg God to answer the prayers that we've made through Mary, the mother of His Son. We in no way by-pass God. If the Son knows that we are just simply asking His mom to put in a good word for us, why would he hate that? . . .