Ndipe:

Angels cant be worshipped, it's unscriptural to worship Angels, so whom Joshua met and bowed down to was likely Jesus Christ.

yea...u are right. i dont see the diffrence between the captain of the Lord's Army and the Lord of Host. and my research shows God refers Him self as the Lord of Host. another proof that Jesus is not Michael the archangel actually comes from one of the five passages in which Michael’s name is found in Scripture—Jude 9. According to Jude: “Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, ‘The Lord rebuke you!’ ” Whereas Michael would not dare pronounce a railing judgment against the devil (cf. 2 Peter 2:11), Jesus once declared about Satan: “He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it” (John 8:44). Jesus did not approach the subject of rebuking Satan with the same hesitation as godly angels like Michael. Jesus, as Lord of heaven and Earth (Matthew 28:18), boldly called the devil a murderer and liar, and even went so far as to declare that “there is no truth in him.” The Son of God obviously is not Michael the archangel.

there is one brick wall standing in d way of doz who claim Jesus is not Arch angel Michael: THE PAGAN AND BABARIC DOGMA OF TRINITY! Until u start axept Christ as ''SON of GOD'' rada dan ''GOD THE SON'' u cant just grasp dis simple truth. Jesus was d only and first personage directly created by God, dats y d bible refer 2 him as d first born of all creatures {Col 1:15}, tru him all other things wer created {John 1:1-3} that is why he is d only begoten of the Father.

The LORD Jesus is called many things, but never an angel.

He is called Son of MAN, Messiah, Christ, the anointed one, Son of GOD, Lord of Lords and King of Kings, etc but he is never once called an angel.

This is just plan inferential nonsense to suggest that Jesus our saviour is an angel.

He was beotten ONCE, and that through Mary.

He was given the glory prepared for him before the foundation of world through the prophetic utternaces of the prophets of GOD who were moved by the Spirit of GOD.

Hence we have statements such as :

"I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." - Psalm 2:7

God became the father of JESUS when the prophecy of a redeemer was fulfilled through the birth of Jesus , through Mary , and by the power of GOD.

Jesus was not begotten twice, he was begotten ONCE.

SMH as those who twist scripture to conform to their church belief system.

Pastormustwac weytin b ur problem with the buk of tobit eh?

Boomark:

My dear the way you put it there is not the way it is. Why not say also "with a commanding shout of the trumpet of God." It doesn't make sense.

A shout: transmits His voice which the dead will hear and rise First.

Voice of an arch angel: leads, commands the armies of heaven.

Trumpet of God: has it own function and those that blow it.

Will He do all these things and also blow the trumpet?

You can look at these two passeges properlly, they say same thing. 1 Thessalonians 4:16, John 5:25-29,

Ndipe:

Angels cant be worshipped, it's unscriptural to worship Angels, so whom Joshua met and bowed down to was likely Jesus Christ.

@chukwudi has refused to anwser this, I know it was Christ Himself, my argument is when He replied Joshua that He is the Captain of God's host.
This is a function of Micheal, Michael has always been the one leading Gods angel in times of conflit to protect the children of Israel.
Seeing that this same being allowed worship, there is need to believe that the same being is Michael.

chukwudi44:

1 thes 4:16 does not mention micheal in anyway.we are not suppose to speculate and no where in the bible is micheal called the captain or leader of all angels.I challenge you to rtefute me on this.

Rev 12 even says "micheal and his angels" I don't see how this prase wopuld be interpreted to mean micheal is the captain of all angels.It didn't even say "micheal and the angels" .anyother thing amounts to mere speculation

YET THE BIBLE TOLD YOU THAT GOD IS THREE ABI? AND ALSO TOLD YOU THAT GOD HAS A MOTHER? Let me focus on the thread topic jare.

What did you learn from Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. In heaven, Michael took His angels and they fought Satan, or do you have another meaning to this?

Who is the commander of the good angels and who is the commander of the evil angels in this battle field?

chukwudi44:

No one is arguing that the word arch angel means a chief angel or leader of a group of angels but rather the bone of contention here is " is micheal the only arch angel". Daniel 10:13 says no he is not the only leader we have among angels

Oh, so you have agreed He is indeed a leader/commander?
Lets see what a leader means: LEADER (noun) 1. a person who rules or guides or inspires others

Does this discrib Michael in Rev 12 or not?

plappville:

Oh, so you have agreed He is indeed a leader/commander?
Lets see what a leader means: LEADER (noun) 1. a person who rules or guides or inspires others

Does this discrib Michael in Rev 12 or not?

How does this prove your case? Is fashola not a leader? Is he not a governor? But is he the only one occuppying that position in Nigeria? Is he higher than the Governors of other states? Micheal is also a chief angel but he was not alone.There were others occupying similar. Positions

plappville:

You can look at these two passeges properlly, they say same thing. 1 Thessalonians 4:16, John 5:25-29,



@chukwudi has refused to anwser this, I know it was Christ Himself, my argument is when He replied Joshua that He is the Captain of God's host.
This is a function of Micheal, Michael has always been the one leading Gods angel in times of conflit to protect the children of Israel.
Seeing that this same being allowed worship, there is need to believe that the same being is Michael.

Whether he is Jesus or not that man has nothing to link him with micheal.No where in the bible is micheal described as captain of the Lord's army.

Do yourself a favour and do away with the teachings of ellen G white.

chukwudi44: Daniel 10:13

13 But for twenty-one days the spirit prince* of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael,[/b] one of the archangels [b] came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia.*

The boldened portion makes it so evident micheal is not the only arch angel.It calls him one of the arch angels meaning there were other arch angels.

FYI the bible has 73 books and not 66.The first christian canon to be addressed by the term bible had 73 books so if you have anything other than that better look for another term to describe it but it is definitely not the bible.

The arch angel Raphael is mentioned tobit.There he decleared that he is one of the 7 angels who stand before the presense of God.There same thing is repeated by John in Revelations when he said "I saw the 7 angels who stand before the presence of God"

look at this liar!

Infact for you attempt to twist the portion of the bible that said "one of the foremost princes" to say "one of the archangels" i will call you a "lying fraud"!

This is an example of the deceit of the RCC that operate with lies.

You lie about the bible you lie about every thing.

This is how you claim th "RCC wrote the bible"

i pity your low life.

chukwudi44: The man in Josua 5 :14 was never described as an angel stop making things up please

you liar twisting the bible have the mouth to tell someone to stop making things up

You should better change you ways and drop this lying you carry you and your mother RCC.

chukwudi44: The man in Josua 5 :14 was never described as an angel stop making things up please

she has made nothing up but rather stated the truth.

you liar twisting the bible have the mouth to tell someone to stop making things up

You should better change you ways and drop this lying you carry you and your mother RCC.

frosbel:

3 questions.

1. Why did Jesus have to pre-exist ?
2. What did he pre-exist as , an angel or the second person of the Trinity ?
3. Why is it difficult to accept the plain truth that Jesus was born as MAN by the power of GOD and according to his plan and purpose ?

we are not interested in your opinion but rather what the bible says.

Can you reward your self with everlasting life?
If no, then stick to what the bible says and drop you opinion on issues of the bible.

If you feel that christ had never pre existed, pls, show us from the bible

plappville:

You can look at these two passeges properlly, they say same thing. 1 Thessalonians 4:16, John 5:25-29,



@chukwudi has refused to anwser this, I know it was Christ Himself, my argument is when He replied Joshua that He is the Captain of God's host.
This is a function of Micheal, Michael has always been the one leading Gods angel in times of conflit to protect the children of Israel.
Seeing that this same being allowed worship, there is need to believe that the same being is Michael.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe God came from heaven to earth, yet they cannot deny someone came down. So they shift the identity of the one who ascended to an arch angel, Michael. Jesus is supposedly Michael because his name means ‘who is like God. "It proves Michael the archangel is no other than the only begotten son of God, now Jesus Christ. The very name Michael means who is like God and indicates Jehovah God is without like or equal." (New Heavens and New Earth pg.30-31). Jesus is actually the incarnation of Michael the Arch angel and resumed the name when he ascended into heaven ( ibid. pg.30 Your will be done on earth pg.316 )

If one investigates church history not even the Arians who started the idea Jesus was a created being with divine qualities believed he was an angel. No one in the church history (at least of any influence, good or bad) has ever presented Jesus as Michael the arch angel.

They believe Jesus is a mighty God and Jehovah is the almighty. That's two Gods, this is not monotheism. Then what of the angel Gabriel that also means mighty like God does this make him Jesus too? Where is Michael now since the resurrection has not occurred and Michael fights before it in Dan.12. Yet he is Jesus. Whose name is above all names forever. Did the angel Michael incarnate to die for our sins?

What about Micah whose name means who is like Jehovah. The names don’t give a parallel but beg a question. Who is like God? Obviously no one. If Jesus is Michael than who are the other angels? Are they God too. Since he is only one of the chief princes. Doesn’t this destroy being the only begotten son since, he the son before he incarnated?

The Jehovah witnesses say "Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael is applied to God’s son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ." (Aid to bible understanding)

"Michael the Archangel, the first creation of Jehovah, before He came to earth and returned to the identity of Michael after his resurrection." (Aid To Bible Understanding, p. 1152).

The Watchtower teaches that Jehovah, the Father only created only one thing directly, the Logos, or Jesus. It was Jesus according to the Watchtower who created "all other things" (Colossians 1:16 NWT; Insight, Vol. 1, p. 527).

So then who is the creator of all? JESUS. But according to them He's not God.

We find the Bible contradicts the Watchtower interpretation in Isa.44:24 "I am the Lord who makes all things…""who has made the earth, and has created even man upon it...and who stretched out the heavens..."Jehovah. Is. 45:12. Do you see the predicament they are in?

I am the same One. I am the first. Moreover, I am the last. Moreover, my own hand laid the foundation of the earth and my own right hand extended out the heavens Is. 48:12,13

What ever happened to in the Beginning God created the heavens and the earth? It should read in the beginning Michael the Arch angel created the earth!

"In the Greek Bible text the Word is Logos. Hence he may be called the `Word or Logos'. Being a mighty one and holding this high official capacity as Logos and being before all other creatures, he was a God, but not the Almighty God, who is Jehovah," (1952 Revised ed., p. 33).

"in due time God exalted Jesus to the highest position a creature could be given." (Awake 9/22/1959, p. 7)

"Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshipped, and properly so. While he was not the God, Jehovah, he was a God." (Watchtower 7/15/1898, p. 2337)

Thus Jesus, a creature, is defined by the Jehovah's Witnesses as a God. the question arises, is Jesus a true God or a false God? Since we have two Gods in Jn.1:1.

"But that does not mean that Jehovah never caused to exist anyone who is properly referred to as a god," (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985 ed., p. 413).

"Michael the Archangel is no other than the only begotten son of God, now Jesus Christ. That Jehovah directly created only one thing, Michael the arch angel and that Michael created all other things." (United in Worship p.29)

Rev.4:11 "you are worthy O Lord to receive glory honor and power, for you created all things and by your will they exist and were created". Are Jehovah's Witnesses saying this is Jesus?

there predicament is to explain away their own writings."He, being the Creator, existed before any other gods, and all false gods will be wiped out so that there will be none existing after him," (Aid to Bible Understanding, pp. 665-666; emphasis mine). Exactly so if he is the true God that makes him… "The one and only true God is Jehovah."(WT 3/1/1959, p. 150)

Jeremiah who was a reliable prophet (not like the WT) says in Jer.10:11 "The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth..." Doesn’t this make Jesus Jehovah ? Remember they have said the only true God is Jehovah! Then what are they to do with Jesus who is called creator and "a god", is he to be eliminated with all the rest. That's a problem if you have two Gods even if one is almighty and the other mighty.What of the Father? If he did not make the heavens and the earth he too will perish !

Isaiah 43:10: "No God was formed before me, nor will be after me. I, I am Jehovah, and there is no other Savior but me." Isn’t Jesus the savior? God knows of no other Gods yet Jesus is another God.

Isaiah 44:6: "I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

Isaiah 45:5, 6: "I am Jehovah and there is no other, there is no other God except me. (this means mighty also) Though you do not know me, I have armed you so that it may be known from east to west that there is no one except me. I am Jehovah and there is no other."

Isaiah 46:9: "for I am God and there is no other."No God spelled with a big G or little g. Any man or spirit being that is called "god" cannot be the true Deity. All others called "god" are false deity.

For John to have called Jesus "a god" in John 1:1 and meant him to be another true God, a mighty God alongside the almighty would go against everything in the monotheistic teaching of Judaism. The same goes for Thomas calling Jesus "my God" in John 20:28. ln their own publication… Thomas said to him: 'My Lord and my God!'-John 20:28" (Greek Interlinear reading, literally: "The Lord of me and the God of me!" Their own Greek Interlinear shows ho theos. (INTERLINEAR 1985, p. 513)

This is polytheism, more than one god and worse yet they have an angel exalted as "a god." It does not matter if they worship him or not , they call him a god and creator. Jeremiah a reliable prophet said in chpt.10 v.11 "the Gods that have not made the heavens and the earth shall perish…" Then what are they to do with Jesus who is called creator and "a god", is he to be eliminated with all the rest. That's the problem when you have two gods even if one is almighty and the other mighty. What of the Father? According to them he only created one thing, Jesus the angel. If he did not make the heavens and the earth he too will perish! So if Jesus who is called "a god" did not create it all, he goes the away with the rest of the false gods. This isn’t my opinion but Gods!

If Jesus had been claiming to be only "a god" as J.W.'s teach, then He would not have been charged with "blasphemy" as in Jn 10:30 when they tried to stone Him for He made himself to be equal to God. Not another God, but claiming to be united with the one God, as the Greek language bears this saying "we are one"- in nature.

Yet the whole church believed him to be God. in Mt.16:16 He says, "I will build MY church" not Jehovah's.

Acts 20:28, Paul tells the elders, "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of GOD, which HE PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD." Whose church is the Jehovah Witnesses? If not Jesus then they were not purchased with his blood and are not Christians, there is only one church body, it is his. ( they readily admit only 144,000 are purchased with the blood of this angel named Jesus.)

"There is Scriptural evidence for concluding that Michael was the name of Jesus Christ before he left heaven and after his return." (WT 5/15/1969, p. 307)

…"Michael the great prince is none other than Jesus Christ himself Dan.12:1" (WT 12/15/1984 p29)

Col.2:9-10 "The fullness of deity dwells bodily in Christ, the Colossians had previously come to a fullness of life in Him who is the head of all rule and authority. "Head" means supreme "authority," "Principality and powers" is a reference to the highest rankings of angelic beings he Christ being over them all. Which means he is not in the same rank or species as an angel. Neither could he be the archangel which would still have him be in the order of a created being.

Heb.1:4 "having become so much better than the angels." How by nature? NO, by exaltation at the resurrection- returning to his former position. How can he be better than angels if he is an angel? He already was better in nature before his incarnation as the very one who created all the angels. (Col.1:14-17, Jn.1:3).

Heb.1:5 "For to which of the angels did he ever say "you are my Son today I have begotten you" The answer is none of them! Here the writer is proclaiming the Son as superior to angels. Angels who are the greatest of Gods creation and the Son is better vs.4 How? Because he as the Son is of the same nature as his Father.

Heb.1:6 The Father tells all the angels to worship the son. According to J.W’s they are not worshipping him but only giving obeisance. If this is true than the Father only gets obeisance also, since it is the very same word used to worship the Father.

Heb. 1:8 God the Father says to the Son "your throne O’ God is forever and ever." J.W’s change this to God is your throne. So instead of having the son God they now made an inanimate object God. The lengths they go to prove their false view.

V.10 the Father still speaking to the Son "and you, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the Earth and the heavens are the work of your hands..." The Father calls the Son Jehovah and says he was present as the architect of both heaven and earth.

They agree that he created all things but they disagree with God who calls the son Jehovah!

In Jn.5:31 Jesus is making a point to the religious leaders that the father has sent him and he is the perfect example of the fathers nature. In v.39 he states "you search the Scripture for in them you think you have eternal life, and these are they which testify of me, In Lk.24 :25-27 after the resurrection he expounds of all that is in the scriptures from Moses through the prophets that are written of him. "Then He said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! "Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?" And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Are we to believe that the whole of the bible is about the Arch-angel Michael and not of God! According to the Witnesses this would have to be the conclusion. Yet Jesus said the scriptures testify of him!

chukwudi44: Kindly compare this two scriptures
Tobit 12 :15

I am Raphael one of the seven angels who stand in the glorious presense of the Lord ready to serve him.

Rev 8:2

Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God and they were given seven trumpets.

rubbish!

Madness.

That is how satan has used your type to lead people astray with contradictry false scriptures and your claiming the bible that does not support your doctrines to be a product of rcc so that you can rubbish it.

Just imagine what you just shamelessly posted up there!

You cannot rely on the bible any longer but to resort to contradictery books, well, it is your life, do what you want with it, and also deceive those that will not stick to the bible.

But you cannot change/hide the truth forever, that is how you kill/burn people alive in the middle ages for saying the truth.

chukwudi44: I have already posted daniel 10:13
Where micheal is described as one of the arch angels yet you are still claiming he is the only arch angel nawaaoo.Even if I don't push my argument that Raphael is an arch angel that verse alone proves micheal is not the only arch angel

liar like you, that place was talking about princes.

Prince of persia, prince of greece all being of the devil hindring God's angel.

But also made refernce to michael as one of the formost princes of Yahweh and not one of the arch angels.

Yes, that is true, since Yahweh also have the powerful cherubs that are befor him, but Jesus/michael is an only beggoten son.

You dirty crook liar leading people to satan the father of the lie, you most be one of his main sons with your pope as his first son.

You are a digrace to God for claiming to be a christianbut does the will of satan.

chukwudi44:

The identity of the man Joshua met was never disclosed.He was only described as the commander of the Lords army.

The revelation 12 :7 somply says micheal and his angels.There is nothing in that verse to conclude micheal is captain of all angels.There could be more than one battallion of angels

your whole life will be in dinial since you will not see that "michael with" means that the angels are michaels's control and that makes him the captain.

Liars will not inherit God's kingdom, and as such i pity for you if you will not change and become an honest person.

Liar!

chukwudi44: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

New King James Version (NKJV)

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

This bible passage in no way suggests the dead in christ were raised by the arch angel.This verse says christ will descend with the arch angel and with the sounding of trumpet.it never said the dead were raised buy the arch angel.

Even if the dead were raised by the arch angel it still dosen't proove he is Jesus since several other biblical characters including Elijah,Elisha,Peter and Paul achieved similar feats.We all know they did it with the power of God and not their own power.Elisha even raised a man from the dead while he was dead so your case holds no water

i doubt that you red the op or know what the book of daniel says about arch angel michael raising the death and puting their names in the book of life.

Rcc have really finish you.

chukwudi44: Daniel 12:1-3

New International Version (NIV)

The End Times

12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever

There is still nothing in this passage that suggest micheal was the one who raised those people from their graves.

This passage only describes what will happen during the end times.God can use anyone to achieve his aim.Peter,Paul,Ezekiel e.t.c were also used by God to raise people from the dead.Eziekiel was even used to accomplish the incredible feat of raising up dry bonesback to life but the fact remains that God simply used them.He can also use me and you

so Elija will be use now at the end of days to raise the dead abi?

You see your life?

*sigh*

that was a prophesy for the end concerning th resurrection of the dead.

If it does not make sens to you we know why.

Paul said, "if the good news we preach does not make sense to some, it is to those who are perishing"

blame you rcc for that.

chukwudi44:

I insist there is nothing in that verse that suggests those people were raised by micheal. I do not deny the fact that God can use micheal to accomplish such feat but there is nothing In that passage to suggest micheal did raise them.You guys are merely speculating.

your insistance is of no effect cus your word cannot superseed that of the bible.

Your words here is exactly the same like that of frosbel that says from his head that "christ never pre existed"

Such ^^^ are imaterial on a bible discussion like this but rather the facts for or against must be firmly rooted in the bible is what that matters.

Stop shouting "i insist" are you God?

chukwudi44:
During the end times as clearly described in Revelation micheal was not the only angel assigned tasks.The other six other angels were also assigned major tasks.

Raising of people or person from the dead does not prove anyone is christ.God can always use anyone to achieve his goal.

is it the horn of angels that will raise people or the voice of christ?

We have an example of the voice of Jesus christ raising up Lazarus and it is the same voice that will raise people at the end.

truthislight:

look at this liar!

Infact for you attempt to twist the portion of the bible that said "one of the foremost princes" to say "one of the archangels" i will call you a "lying swine"!

This is an example of the deceit of the RCC that operate with lies.

You lie about the bible you lie about every thing.

This is how you claim th "RCC wrote the bible"

i pity your low life.

You are a very big fool and idiotic liar!! Daniel 10:13 was written in aramaic and not hebrew nor greek and that particular verse is translated arch chief angel,arch angel or chief prince depending on the bible translation.Even if I were to to deal with prince instead of angel,the phrase "one of the chief princes" clearly indicates micheal had peers who who occuppied the same strata of authourity with him.That is obviously not the case with Jesus who was higher than every created thing.

chukwudi44:

At least that verse makes it clear that the Lord's verse will be heard.even though an arch angels voice is mentioned micheal's name is not mentioned.As clearly seen from Daniel 10:13 micheal is not the only arch angel.although he is the only one among the arch angels to be named in the canonised scriptures

several biblical and extrabiblical books keep mentioning of seven major angels who are most likely arch angels alongside him.while there are not explicitly called arch angels,it appears there are also arch angels alongside micheal.

The point is this;The term arch angel does not necessary mean it is referring to angel micheal.Other arch angels also exist.

so you are telling us that Jesus will go and borrow an arch angels voice to be able to raise the dead at the end?

Was it a borrowed arch angels voice that Jesus used in raising up Lazarus?

No, it is His(Jesus)voice that raise Lazarus and it is him that has the arch angels voice it his him that has the commanders voice, it is his voice that the dead will hear and rise at the end.

Are you saying that an arch angels voice has more authority than that of our lord Jesus christ? Insult!

An only beggoten son, a prince needs to borrow to do the will of the king.

An arch angels voice is not more powerful than that of christ but rather it is him Jesus christ that has the commanding voice like the commanding voice that he had used in raising up lazarus.

Yes, our lord has a commanding voice an arch angels voice to raise the dead, the voice of whom all authority both in heaven and on earth has been given. A commanders voice, he is not borrowing it, but rather, it is his voice.
Peace

truthislight:

you liar twisting the bible have the mouth to tell someone to stop making things up

You should better change you ways and drop this lying you carry you and your mother RCC.

truthislight:

you liar twisting the bible have the mouth to tell someone to stop making things up

You should better change you ways and drop this lying you carry you and your mother RCC.

You idiotic monkey why don't you quote that passage and show me where he was described as an angel.

chukwudi44: Note:::::....gaining eternal life does not depend on knwing wether arch angÉl michael is Jesus or not,its just an observation.


Do you seriously think that if on the last day Jesus is eventually revealed to be God he will be happy with you guys? Or maybe if he is eventually discovered to be angel micheal he would be happy with the trinitarians?

Olboy better open yourd eyes and make the best decision now there is nothing like sitting on the fence here.

this a very good advice from you,
but dont you think you need this advice in view of the evidences in front of you?

Also, in view of all the lies your rcc have put forward that is blinding you and co?

chukwudi44:

The Dan 10:13 I quoted is it not from your protestant canon? Is that verse not clear enough?

3 But for twenty-one days the spirit prince* of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael,[/b] one of the archangels came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia.*

Micheal is not the only arch angel,he is only one of the arch angels shikena

see the fraud again!

chukwudi44:
Then Michael, one of the archangels [b]

this vers says "one of the foremost princes"

where did you get that your translation from?

Oh! It may be an rcc bible that dont have the fear of God that will change what the bible says at that daniel.

Sorry for you.

truthislight:

rubbish!

Madness.

That is how satan has used your type to lead people astray with contradictry false scriptures and you claiming the bible that does not support your doctrines to be a product of rcc so that you can rubbish it.

Just imagine what you just shaelessly posted up there!

You cannot rely on the bible any longer but to resort to contradictery books, well, it is your life, do what you want with it, and also deceive those that will not stick to the bible.

But you cannot change/hide the truth forever, that is how you kill/burn people alive in the middle ages for saying the truth.

You are even more stuopid than I thought.Do you know what the bible is? Is there anything there that is extra-biblical?

truthislight:

your whole life will be in dinial since you will not see that "michael with" means that the angels are michaels's control and that makes him the captain.

Liars will not inherit God's kingdom, and as such i pity for you if you will not change and become an honest person.

Liar!

Stop cursing and produce where micheal was described as the captain of all angels? Is that too much to ask? Show me where micheal was described as the captain of all angels

frosbel:

My good friend, you know I agree with you on so many other issues, but on this one we just have to disagree.

Jesus is not an angel, read the article I posted above.

you arguement is hinge on a wrong premise that yahweh asked of which of the angels that he made a promise to? No

all the angels are sons of Yahweh
Jesus is not Michaels is the leader of the angels an only beggoten son that contlo/leads yahweh's army.

He created the angels and as such the angels are under him so he is their leader.

The "arch" shows that he is the leader and the "angel" described what he is leading
= arch angel.

He is above all angels but he leads the angels.

Is you presiden a soldier? No, but he is the commander of the armed forces.

Meawhile, Jesus and the angels are all called sons, morning stars, messenger. But he is the foremost of all of what yahwey has created.

frosbel:

Jesus was begotten as the SON of MAN , ONCE !!!

Jesus was not begotten twice.

No angel can possibly qualify to die for our sins.

Your position is seriously FLAWED .

you have not also considered when the beggoten was done.

What happened with marry was to transfer from heaven to earth.

The prophesy said that his origine is from days of long ago.

Can you tell me when did Jesus see his father doing things that he will do things the way he sees his father doing things if his life started here on earth?

When did he see his father doing things?

In fact, you are a distraction on this thread though i appreciate you alot but not on this clear bible teaching that you say that the angels are senior to Jesus in age.

Dont you know it will be unjust for what happened with regard to other "senior angels"? Loll
Thank you.

chukwudi44:

No sir, the bible says micheal is only one of the arch angels.for christ sake how many times do I have to quote Daniel 10:13 for you guys or are simply been mischievious

3 But for twenty-one days the spirit prince* of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way.[/b] Then Michael, one of the archangels[b] came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia.*

Is this verse not clear enough? I tire for unaoo

thats a fraud from your rcc bible.

chukwudi44:

No one is arguing that the word arch angel means a chief angel or leader of a group of angels but rather the bone of contention here is " is micheal the only arch angel". Daniel 10:13 says no he is not the only leader we have among angels

Yes michael is the only ancangel.

But we have other high ranking angels like the cherub and sarraph, and they are also princes.

Satan also have high ranking angels that are even more powerfull than yahwehs lower angels.

Like the prince of persia and greece that held the angel messanger to daniel.

frosbel:

Wrong again, GOD created angels.

An angel cannot create angels , stop this nonsense.

you may have to read col. 1:16