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Pls I Need A True Bornagain Christian To Tell Me What Lev:19:19b Means / Christians, Do You Believe In Human Sacrifice? / Cannibalism In The Bible: Det 28:53-57, Lev 26:29, Jer 19:9, Ezek 5:10, Lam 4:10 (1) (2) (3) (4)
|Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 11:54pm On Feb 13, 2008|
Most christians do NOT know that their god sanctions human sacrifice in the bible and indeed has an instance where it is in fact carried out.
Leviticus 27: 29:
If anyone is given for the purpose of being destroyed, he cannot be brought back; he must be put to death.
Exodus 22: 29-30
Do not hold back offerings from your granaries or your vats.
"You must give me the firstborn of your sons. 30 Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day.
Jephthat sacrifices his daughter to God
Go read these for yourselves.
In fact, why would Abraham have thought that cutting his son's throat (Genesis 22) was a suitable way to palliate god's bloodthirtiness if the practice was not already in the custom. Abraham never remonstrated with god although he is said to negotiate with god when god wants to drown the people of Sodom and Gomorah. Why did Abraham NOT attempt to negotiate OUT of killing his son? This may suggest that the culture approved of such practices.
As if human sacrifice was not bad enough, guess what. It gets even , with CANNIBALISM (See http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113181.0.html). Yes, you guessed it. Who is ordering and forcing people to cannibalise other humans?
Some of my other threads
The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism
Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus?
Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Stories
Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11
Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibles
When Was Jesus Crucified?
On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam)
Faith-healers And Tele-evangelists
Where Did Sin Originate?
For The Non-beleivers Only, 1
Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians?
On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1
Has Atheism Got Principle? No
It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriage
Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era?
Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principles
Great Books About Non-belief
Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? Resources For You
Beware of a Simplistic Interpretation of Jesus's 2nd Coming Passages
Archbishop Cause Furore Over Sharia Law In The Uk
Eminent Christian Scientist (francis Collins) Explains The Evolution Of Humans
Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible
Why Biology Is So Important To Our Modern World
Genesis Vs Genetics
£300 (three - Hundred Pound Sterling) Essay Competition
Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by Nobody: 12:38am On Feb 14, 2008|
you make me laugh.
have you finally lost it?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 10:02am On Feb 14, 2008|
Anyone to refute this one?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 11:33am On Feb 14, 2008|
Why don't you try and refute these acts then?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 5:09pm On Feb 14, 2008|
Any thoughts on this one?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by jagunlabi(m): 5:56pm On Feb 14, 2008|
Why have you chosen to torture these christians this way,therationa?
Abeg,have mercy o!
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by Gamine(f): 6:05pm On Feb 14, 2008|
You have no case here
Those verses you posted have nothing to do with what you are saying
Take it easy
Let go Let God!
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 8:24pm On Feb 14, 2008|
Why isn't anyone responding on this one? I thought the answers were in the bible
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 9:54pm On Feb 14, 2008|
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 11:23am On Feb 15, 2008|
C'mon guys. This thread is going stale. Are you guys/gals avoiding it?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 5:47pm On Feb 15, 2008|
Anyone to stay on topic here?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 11:19pm On Feb 15, 2008|
Any christians brave enough to defend human sacrifice and cannibalism in their bible?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by 4Him(m): 11:27pm On Feb 15, 2008|
show us one example of cannibalism in the bible or thou author of falsehood and confusion.
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 11:42pm On Feb 15, 2008|
CANNIBALISM IN THE BIBLE;
Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. The most gentle and sensitive woman among you - so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot - will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities.
You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters.
Jeremiah 19: 9
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives.
With their own hands compassionate women
have cooked their own children,
who became their food
when my people were destroyed.
Therefore in your midst fathers will eat their children, and children will eat their fathers. I will inflict punishment on you and will scatter all your survivors to the winds.
2 Kings 6:26-29
Can I rest my case now?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by Gamine(f): 11:50pm On Feb 15, 2008|
YOu don lost well well
Give it up already!
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 12:01am On Feb 16, 2008|
I would like to know why you think this wicked book is the word of god.
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by 4Him(m): 12:11am On Feb 16, 2008|
Therationa, i thot u were going to bring up rational examples not hyperboles!
I'll be back to answer this silliness of heart . . . a few minutes to enjoy this ice-cream and mashmallows first.
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 1:18am On Feb 16, 2008|
How long does it take to eat ice-cream and mashmellows?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by bawomolo(m): 4:43am On Feb 16, 2008|
these are exotic marsh mellows, let 4him enjoy his meal slowly
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by TCUBE(m): 6:22am On Feb 16, 2008|
duh! all your source are from the old testerment,
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by 4Him(m): 8:54am On Feb 16, 2008|
after eating chocolate ice-cream, marshmallows and almonds, i looked back at the "evidence" for cannibalism in the bible from our resident atheists and realised it was not worth a response.
I asked for EXAMPLES of cannibalism in the bible and all they could produce were instances that were not meant to be taken literarily.
Where are the actual examples? surely these accusers shld have been able to find one.
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by stimulus(m): 9:08am On Feb 16, 2008|
Lol. It does not matter that they are from the Old Testament - the point is that from whichever (OT or NT), we should be able to look into the allegations and discuss/debate these issues intelligently. Have therationa and bawomolo been able to do so apart from the cheap arguments they propound?
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I'm so sorry for these gentlemen, because after ducking from thrad to thread it was quite predictable that they would not be able to enter any debate of their own and see it to a logical end. No be today them begin scoot here and there. Others responsible discussants (even atheists) have been able to soundly sustain their discussions/debates with believers even in this forum. You could imagine if those responsible ones had behaved like the mess we are entertained with from therationa and bawomolo!
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by stimulus(m): 9:56am On Feb 16, 2008|
The answers have been given earlier in other Nairaland threads and other websites - if only you would redeem your integrity by not trying to sound smart as if you suddenly have put your thinking to work!
WHY have YOU been avoiding the invitations offered you several times to stand and defend some of your own assumptions? Perhaps the reason why no one initially even bothered saying anything here is because they do not wish to be entertained by recycled and already stale arguments!
Already defended, so please stay on course. Do you care to honour my invitation to defend your own assumptions wher I have offered that invitation several times?
Right. Now see the following links where these allegations have been addressed:
(#1) - the same otiose argument from Horus:
My response: (http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-14450.352.html#msg1160762)
(#2) Again, he tried to whip up the same otiose argument:
You can see that all you have done here is simply change the topic of the thread/discussion from "Cannibalism in the Bible" (Horus) to "Human Sacrifice In The Bible" (therationa). Do you see why I earlier hinted that you've perfected the art of[i] plagiarism[/i] by harvesting these arguments and dressing them up as your own?
Now you can either indeed rest your otiose arguments; or come forward and enter into a discussion where you can hold your own assumptions and defend your misgivings to a logical end. Do you care to do so?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 10:33am On Feb 16, 2008|
How do you know there were not meant to be taken literally? The context does not say so. Granted, most of the text does not say it happened, as it is reported in the future. But that is ducking the point. This is GOD saying HE will make people eat other people.
Is this acceptable behaviour? If you had found such a text in the koran of the Aztec holy book what would have been your opinion?
But Lamentations 4:10, actually reports it as having happened. Check it out.
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by therationa(m): 10:40am On Feb 16, 2008|
No GOOD god would prescribe such awful acts onto his children, however sinful they may be. This is simply preprostrous that you admit that a due punishment for being sinful.
BTW, STOP accusing me of plagiarism. Anyone who READS the bible should know this stuff , and I spent a lot of time reading the bible as a kid. To show you that I know them does not make it plagiarism, does it. There are many millions of people out there who are also aware of the MONSTROSITY of the bible but would rather stay quiet. I just don't stay mouth shut.
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by stimulus(m): 10:52am On Feb 16, 2008|
It is not a question of whether a "god" is good or bad - it was about the joke of your inability to debate issues logically.
Where do you actually stand? That God does not exist (atheism); or that he does exist (theism/deism); or that you simply are confused about your position (perplexity). You cannot be jumping inconsistently from one idea to the other, as doing such potends you as a very unintellectual discussant.
I have a right to make that allegation as many times I see it so. UNTIL you stop the rascal and dishonest pretences, I shall continue to so point it out.
Anyone with a functional brain woyuld know that you did not bring out these issues from your personal effort.
No, it does not. But to follow the same trend and precisely the same references should make us ask you what you are up to - and until your come clean, I don't see what you're complaining about. I'm persuaded that's what you did; you're not so persuaded. Good. Just be rational enough to demonstrate that you are above such suspicion, and when I see it, then you'll read me.
There are many more millions who know that the Bible is no threat to you - and the earlier you shut your mouth about such otiose remarks and open it with common sense, the happier you'd be as a person.
And no, that's not a fatwa - rather, it's a call to make you think and stop pretending to sound smart.
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by stimulus(m): 11:04am On Feb 16, 2008|
Lamentations does not assume that it has happened literally - anyone with a clear thinking would understand that Lamentations is more a book set in poetry in such expressions. It is just as much as as to disingenuously allege that Lamentations 2:2 is lietral when it says that: "The Lord hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob" - does that sound literal to you?
Now, the question of Lamentations 4:10. If you're seeking a passage where it does teach in the Bible that people have eaten their own flesh, please look at 2 Kings 6:29 - "So we boiled my son, and did eat him".
Does God recommend or command them to do this as part of their worship or devotion to Him? That is the question I have asked so many people - and never did get a sensible answer other than the rascal and irrational noise they make to force that idea in accusation against God and the Bible.
What does it mean? I have answered the question in the links I provided earlier; and just incase you only were too hot-headed to sanely read things through calmly, I could again answer the question.
The people had a choice to either obey God's injunctions as attested in the LAW unto them; or they would witness the effects of disobedience to His commandments. This is what is stated in Deuteronomy 28:1 as a warning - "And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth" - and we are sure the people rather would look forward to such a moment of glory which they would enjoy for the rest of their lives.
But what about the consequences of their disobedience? Here, my dear therationa, may I ask you what your "god" would have recommended? It doesn't have to be a civil or good "god", just simply tell us what it would have recommended.
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by teejay119: 12:06am On Feb 21, 2008|
Theratona or whatever your name is this song is for your It is by Sola Rotimi. Ewa wo cinema were lorita, ewa cinema were lorita. Were lo n wa sun e wa wo ran. I hope you like it.
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by smile4kenn(m): 4:32am On Feb 21, 2008|
Jesus Did the last sacrifice, He sacrificed Himself and died for our sins.
So why refer to Old testement when Jesus is the New World. He has done it all for us.
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by bawomolo(m): 4:48am On Feb 21, 2008|
So why refer to Old testement when Jesus is the New World. He has done it all for us.
why have the old testament as part of the bible, if it's irrelevant??
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by Horus(m): 12:54pm On Feb 21, 2008|
smile4kenn:So your Jesus commited suicide for your sins!!
And why are Christians still sinners?
|Re: Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 by Horus(m): 5:55pm On Feb 21, 2008|
Would God approve of a vow to kill one’s own daughter?
Here is an odd and tragic story, and what is odd about it is that God seems to approve of it too. Here a man named Jephthah makes an odd vow to kill his own daughter in exchange for victory in battle, and God actually accepts his proposal! But before you read it, keep something in mind. Christians will say that this was Jephthah's fault and that God didn't command him to make his vow. However God clearly indicated his APPROVAL and ACCEPTANCE of the vow when he gave Jephthah victory over the Ammonites, which is what he asked God to do in exchange for his "sacrifice"! In other words, God agreed, accepted and approved this!
Judges 11:29-39 (English-NIV)
Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites.
And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD: "If you give the Ammonites into my hands,
whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the LORD's, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."
Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the LORD gave them into his hands.
He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon.
When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of tambourines! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter.
When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, "Oh! My daughter! You have made me miserable and wretched, because I have made a vow to the LORD that I cannot break."
"My father," she replied, "you have given your word to the LORD. Do to me just as you promised, now that the LORD has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites.
But grant me this one request," she said. "Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry."
"You may go," he said. And he let her go for two months. She and the girls went into the hills and wept because she would never marry.
After the two months, she returned to her father and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin. From this comes the Israelite custom
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