cogitoErgo: Holy Shi.t! is that pic from Biafra?

Affiliated: Most religions are founded on the ideas that
1. God is a personality
2. Life is very important and sacred to God
3. Some of God's attributes are all knowing, all powerful and all loving
I know this is easy to believe if we have some level of comfort but let's look at it from the point of view of the kid in the picture who later died of hunger by the way
According to the claims of religion 1. his life was important to God 2. God loves him immensely 3. God knew about his situation 4. God could do something about it.
Seeing how he died from hunger, I think at least one of the above statements about the personality that is described as God as it relates to that child [Humans] is definitely wrong. Opinions?

O.T.I.S:

some people seem to be happy with the idea that they have this God that looks after them day after day, and takes interest in them. And yet by the time you've reached the end of this sentence dozens of children would have died of hunger in somalia because that same god wouldn't send rainfail, you wouldn't accept that sort of mentality from a person, but you accept it in a God through the fear of speaking out of line.
I like the idea of a God, but not one that prioritizes my general happiness over the health and well being of others. That's the God that people worship but they can't convince me that kind of leadership is somehow justifiable. Essentially, all the signs point to either no God or a malevolent God.

greatgenius: calling the creator malevolent means you have no idea who it/she/he is and who you are. awake,take responsibility and stop blaming people or nature for your own choices and actions man.

greatgenius:

1. to personify God means you have limited to no understanding of who God really is. you limit God or restrict her when you put him in a box or category. God is all and everything.

2.God usually has no say in how humanity run their life. in other words you are the creator of your own reality. your will is God will. there are hunger, hatred, natural disasters etc in the world because humnans chooses it to be so. we can end world hunger, natural disasters, hatred, poverty this very instant if we choose to.

there are NO accidents in the universe. everything is a choice.

davkin: Is it ? There is something in this pixs ur not seeing buh God can,tommorrow, God knew the future of the child would be of no good so e called the child back to safety ,i believe d bedrock of ur argument goes back to d phenominal EVIL

greatgenius: ^^^^ how is it malevolent.. why would humans be the perpetrator of their own actions and yet blame it on God?( by God im not talking about the God in religions but the creator). do you really think God wants you to be poor or hungry or even killl? do you honestly believe your creator will have any malicious intent towards you or wish to do you evil?.

everything thing that happens to you good or bad you do onto your self. not god or even your so called enemies are responsible. you are the creator of your world my friend

Affiliated:

1. I didn't personify God. I think I made it clear when I said most religions personify God. And when you say I limit God or restrict "HER" when I put "HIM" in a box, isn't that personifying God? I agree with the fact that what I'll call God is all and everything including my laptop, myself, you e.t.c
2. That child's situation wasn't man made. It was as a result of a famine in Sudan although I don't see how Humans can end natural disaster if they choose to or how Humans are choosing natural disasters

wiegraf:

Is god omnipotent?
If so define, is it subject to logic for instance?

wiegraf:

Is god omnipotent?
If so define, is it subject to logic for instance?

Affiliated:

Religion holds it that God is Omnipotent [All powerful] and that Omnipotence isn't subject to anything but God itself

Affiliated:

Religion holds it that God is Omnipotent [All powerful] and that Omnipotence isn't subject to anything but God itself

greatgenius:
1.my use of "her" and "him" interchangeably was to make you understand or make the point that God is not a HE as most religious scripts depicts. he is a Goddess and she is a God. i could have esaily used a IT to depict her.

2.if the child situation or the famine was not man made then what is. are you saying it is God's fault? or you going to shift the blame again and this time put it on "satan"?... And yes humans can end all natural disasters if they choose to but we will get to that later

wiegraf:

Do you hold that god is omnipotent? And does omnipotency imply omniscience

Affiliated:

1. Regardless if God is a He or a She or an It, you have still personified God once you have describes He/She/It as something; I understood what you were trying to do with the Him/She but once you say God is this or that, you have personified God

2. No, insurance terms define some things which cannot be insured against as acts of God. Looking at it from a religious point of view, it is God that causes famine. Even when Satan as described in religion wants to act, He/She/It still takes permission from God.
3. Please explain how we could choose to end natural disasters

greatgenius:
1. you misunderstood me. my point was which i made clear in my second post was that God is not necessarily a HE as has been depicted by religion. but God is all things. and in our world since somethign is either a she/he or it, and God being all things and all there is, thus my she/he/it depiction... but you cant really personify because he is every-thing and no-thing.

2. satan does not really exist. he is a man made creation....but i agree with you if you say that God causes famine. why? because as stated earllier God is all things. And since man is God made flesh then technically you could say God causes famine.. i am trying to keep answers simple becuase i want y9u to think for yourself.

3. the simple answer is that we could choose to end all natural disasters this very instant because humans like all beings in the universe create our realities.

Affiliated: Most religions are founded on the ideas that
1. God is a personality
2. Life is very important and sacred to God
3. Some of God's attributes are all knowing, all powerful and all loving
I know this is easy to believe if we have some level of comfort but let's look at it from the point of view of the kid in the picture who later died of hunger by the way
According to the claims of religion 1. his life was important to God 2. God loves him immensely 3. God knew about his situation 4. God could do something about it.
Seeing how he died from hunger, I think at least one of the above statements about the personality that is described as God as it relates to that child [Humans] is definitely wrong. Opinions?

wiegraf:

Is god omnipotent?
If so define, is it subject to logic for instance?

greatgenius:

1. to personify God means you have limited to no understanding of who God really is. you limit God or restrict her when you put him in a box or category. God is all and everything.

2.God usually has no say in how humanity run their life. in other words you are the creator of your own reality. your will is God will. there are hunger, hatred, natural disasters etc in the world because humnans chooses it to be so. we can end world hunger, natural disasters, hatred, poverty this very instant if we choose to.

there are NO accidents in the universe. everything is a choice.

Mr_Anony:
Really? everything is a choice? Did the child choose to be born into famine and poverty?

Perhaps the real issue is whose choice?

Or perhaps I have completely misunderstood you. Would you mind explaining your post a bit more?

Affiliated:

I agree with all what you said... But I'll take it you don't buy into the popular religions such as Christianity or Islam etc. They'll disagree with what you said but I think you're on point

greatgenius: The answer is a resounding YES... You could say the soul that incarnated in that body knew and made that choice..

And before we get into the issue of whose choice if i may ask you do you think circumstances and events that happen to you are a results of someone pulling the strings some where?

Mr_Anony:
Oh my! This is gonna be interesting.

I don't believe that events that happen to me are results of someone pulling the strings somewhere. I rather believe that they are predetermined by a chain of causes and effects leading to that event and the choices I make will also become a part of a chain of causes and effects leading on to another event further down in the future.

Now that you have answered yes, I'd like to ask you a few questions so that I may begin to grasp your philosophy.

What exactly is God?
Who exactly is a person?
What role does God play in this world?
What exactly is a being?

Please answer as best as you can and if my questions appear to vague point out your confusion and I'll clarify

Affiliated:

1. Does that child believe in God?
2. Does everybody that die get called back to safety when most religions have told us that God has prepared the most evil and cruel punishment for majority of humans that our already desperately evil minds cannot even imagine.
3. Even if what you said is correct, and God would rather allow Him die than intervene in His situation like we are led to believe from religious leaders that God can, that means his life wasn't that important to God anyway.

Affiliated:

1. Does that child believe in God?
2. Does everybody that die get called back to safety when most religions have told us that God has prepared the most evil and cruel punishment for majority of humans that our already desperately evil minds cannot even imagine.
3. Even if what you said is correct, and God would rather allow Him die than intervene in His situation like we are led to believe from religious leaders that God can, that means his life wasn't that important to God anyway.