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Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 7:12pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
doubleDx: If God manifested in human form and died. Who was ruling the world when he was in hades/grave for three days? Was he ruling the world from the grave or was it satan or the angels in heaven that were in charge when he died? God leaving his throne in heaven to come to earth in human form and die doesnt make any sense! ask them o! Maybe it was satan that resurrected Jesus christ then since God died. You can see the lie that trinity is. |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 7:16pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
hisblud: this is why it is called sacred secret-musterion-trying to use human understand wont help, just rest in the Holy Spirit and He will guide you into ALL -not some-truth. it is Definite going to guide you to death if you dont leave this lie called trinity. |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 7:21pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: you definitely do have a lot of unscriptural terminology. What the heck are you talking about here? Did christ lied when he said the below: ""God is a Spirit" and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. " (John 4:24). Na wao for this philosopher o! "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:. I pity for your life when Yahweh takes action. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by Nobody: 7:26pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
truthislight: His own ignorance is just too much! I just smh!!! |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 7:42pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Jesus is not the alpha and Omega, that is Yahweh. Now, let me show you what the jews belied about Jesus and who they were expecting. Also, who Jesus accepted he is publicly: Finally two came forward 61 and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’” 62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.” 64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of God and coming in the clouds of heaven.”[a] (matthew 26:60-63) "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. " (John 4:22). Salvation originate with the Jews, stop twisting scriptures and take what they believe else you are on your own. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 7:56pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: see who has angels here. "And there was war in heaven: "Michael and his angels" fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven." (Revelation 12:7-. You need to drop this trinity, it is confusing you. |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 8:01pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
ijawkid: it is like Anony is on Jamaican vegetable on this thread. Lol. "Yahweh = holy spirit" lol. Anony you are finish. The holy spirit is no where in the scriptures called a person directly but you can say it is a person. Phewwww 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by ijawkid(m): 8:06pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Some more questions for anony and his crew to ruminate on.... Anony said Jesus running errands for God does not mean God is greater than him(even when Jesus has said it with his mouth that the Father is greater than he is) ...and that running errands for someone does not mean that the person being sent is inferior to the sender.....one thing mr anony failed to establish and acknowledge is that Jesus is SUBJECT to Yahweh,not just temporarily but forever..Jesus doesn't just run errands for Yahweh because he's just humble while Yahweh might be termed as the proud one,Jesus runs errands because he is subject to Yahweh and must be a messenger of the one and only true GOD else be termed a renegade like satan....Jesus is under obligation to be submissive and obedient to his GOD and Father because he is less than his Father.....that's why I'll say anony is fraudulent with this discussion...... Let's take a look at this profound truth together.. 1 peter 3:22 ##New International Version (©1984) who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand--with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him. ##New Living Translation (©2007) Now Christ has gone to heaven. He is seated in the place of honor next to God, and all the angels and authorities and powers accept his authority. ##English Standard Version (©2001) who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him. ___________________________ My questions::: 1...If the angels are made subject to Jesus just as Jesus is subject to the Father,can we say from anony's stance that the angels are co equal with Jesus since being subject to someone does not necessarily mean that the person being made a subject is a subordinate or lesser one ??... 2..Will the angels be subjects to Jesus temporarily or permanently??.. 3..Is Jesus subject to the Father?? ....Yes or No??...if Yes for how long??if No then prove Jesus isn't subject to the Father with the scriptures...(Have 1 corinthians 15:27 $ 28 at the back of your minds)....... _______________________________ @Hisbud......you §till haven't replied how jacob seeing esau's face was like seeing Gods face.......I want you to juxtapose jacobs words to esau and then Jesus' words to his disciples that ""he that has seen me has seen the Father""......... Once again I'll tell you you err big time to keep pushing that the Father was seen or has been seen,even when Jesus said no man has seen GOD.....you need to allign your thoughts strictly to fundamental truths if not you'll keep telling people that God died....now I see why muslims are ever ready to kill trinitarians and why the Jews have discarded the new testament and also Jesus as the promised messiah because of the likes of you,anony and all other trinitarians.......... 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by Boomark(m): 8:46pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: sub·ject (s b j kt) adj. 1. Being in a position or in circumstances that place one under the power or authority of another or others: subject to the law. n. 1. One who is under the rule of another or others, especially one who owes allegiance to a government or ruler. Role? I hope your not thinking they are acting movie in heaven. I hope you have seen what "subject"? Christ is under the power and rule of the God the Father. You believe he is subject to God and also equal to God. Two contrasting things in English. Stop referring to your reply to honeychild. You use it as an excuse. Besides that's not how to teach. You brought in so many things in one place just to create distractions. You said it dosent bother you when you see one person in the Godhead subject himself to another. Have you ever seen God the Father subject Himself to the Son or Holyspirit? Do have scriptural proof? 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 8:55pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Revelation is written in a way that after talking about Jesus it will then talk about Yahweh. In that chapter 1, after talking about Jesus the next as usual was Yahweh. The title alpha and Omega = Yahweh the title Almighty = Yahweh. If you respect the bible you will respect its consistency. "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:3). ^^^^ it is obvious that the title almighty is Yahweh's. All you are twisting is to destroy the consistency of scripture like you always done. Just no regard for holy things in your part. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 9:12pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
TroGunn: they are just being deceitful. The reason for that scripture is that no man has ever seen God and as such Christ is not God. But like you can see, they started dancing azonto to cause distraction from the fact that no man has seen God. That is how dubious trinitarian are. |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 9:16pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: why is it that the son does not send the father on errand? Why is it Jesus prayed that his fathers will be done and not his own will? You and trinity are a big fraud. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 9:21pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: 1. after Jesus went back to heaven the father elevated him that all names looked onto him and he will rule for a thousand years befor handing back to his father. 2. Jesus is not the alpha and Omega but Yahweh is. Stop confusing yourself. |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by truthislight: 9:30pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
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Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by ijawkid(m): 9:53pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Boomark: Same question I've been asking that anony keeps running from,claiming that running errands for someone doesn't mean being subordinate to that person......... According to anony who said Jesus was playing a role momentarily(while on earth) as Gods servant and subject,he forgot to read the same bOok of revelation where Jesus in the heaven still refers to the Father as his GOD and also at 1 corinthians 15:27-28 where Jesus is made subject to the Father for all eternity....... 1 corinthians 11:3 although being evaded by anony and his crew shows that in the heavens Jesus is a subject to the Father... ______________________________ 1 corinthians 11:3 ##GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) However, I want you to realize that Christ has authority over every man, a husband has authority over his wife, and God has authority over Christ. ##.. New International Version (©1984) Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. ##New Living Translation (©2007) But there is one thing I want you to know: The head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. __________________________ If after reading this scriptures someone still comes out to say Jesus is equal to his GOD or not a subject of his GOD(for all eternity) then I'll have to assume such person to be a drunkard.....smh!!!!!! 3 Likes |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by Todaynatoday: 9:55pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Okay, by the power so vested in me, I hereby declare this thread suspended indefinitely. Everybody should go for a 7-day fasting & prayer session asking for revelation on the true nature of God. Frankly, this argument is not going to help anybody. This trininity issue has been overflogged several times on this site and I want it to finally come to an end. We must either agree or forever hold our peace. Now, I suggest that we all pray & ask God (don't ask me which God oo, if na trinity God u wan pray to make u pray and if na one God u wan pray, make u pray. My own be say we must agree and end this issue) to reveal Himself to us so that we can get a better understanding of who He truly is. I'm serious ooo, nobody must post anything here again if God has not revealed anything to him or her. Let us begin to pray for a revelation!!!!!!! 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:56pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
BARRISTERS: Is it not hypocritical of you and your folks to abandon the threads I opened on this subject only for you to open another one here and then cry wolf? Here are some of the threads your JW gang abandoned: https://www.nairaland.com/1067350/another-look-trinity/7#up https://www.nairaland.com/1038080/wonderful-truth-trinity/16 https://www.nairaland.com/531625/evidence-deity-christ/17 |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by Enigma(m): 10:08pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Todaynatoday: Okay, by the power so vested in me, I hereby declare this thread suspended indefinitely. Everybody should go for a 7-day fasting & prayer session asking for revelation on the true nature of God. Frankly, this argument is not going to help anybody. This trininity issue has been overflogged several times on this site and I want it to finally come to an end. We must either agree or forever hold our peace. Now, I suggest that we all pray & ask God (don't ask me which God oo, if na trinity God u wan pray to make u pray and if na one God u wan pray, make u pray. My own be say we must agree and end this issue) to reveal Himself to us so that we can get a better understanding of who He truly is. I'm serious ooo, nobody must post anything here again if God has not revealed anything to him or her. Let us begin to pray for a revelation!!!!!!! As if the alakatakitis are going to listen. |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by Boomark(m): 10:09pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Did you see how you failed because you are desperate to defend trinity. That shows you don't want to learn the truth? 1 Jn 23-24: Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed the Father is looking for such like ones to worship Him. 24 God is a spirit, and those worshiping Him must worship Him with spirit and truth. 2 You failed by telling me that the invisible God includes: the Father, Son, Holyspirit. Was Jesus invisible while on earth? You will always remember jn 1:18 wherever you think it will favor you. verb (worships, worshipping, worshipped; US also worships, worshiping, worshiped) [with object]show reverence and adoration for (a deity): the Maya built jungle pyramids to worship their gods *[no object] take part in a religious ceremony: the family worshipped at Trinity Church *feel great admiration or devotion for: she adores her sons and they worship her Take note of "1" and the bolded. The worship we give to God is as i stated in 1 according to jn 4:23-24. The worship the angel received is as of the bolded. The angel received HONOUR and ADORATION because he is like God. Zechariah 12:8. No one dare make himself equal or above God. That is why lucifer was brought to nothing and that is why Christ is subject to God his God. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:12pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Enigma: Awon alakatakitis indeed. |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by ijawkid(m): 10:21pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: We didn't abandon it..rather you were so useless by uploading images and vidoes of God knows what......besides you are no different from your colleagues who have opened there mouth to say God can die and did die.....if ever take you idolaters serious again eh..... |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by honeychild(f): 10:32pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
hisblud: bros this amplified has blown me to smiderings. Ijawkid and co thank you for starting this topic and staying thru to this climax wow i cant contain myself woooooooooooo:oooooooooooow awesooooooooome x 10e[infinity symbol]You know the problem, you guys keep thinking of 'God' as a personal name. It has been pointed out over and over that 'God' is not anyone's name. it is a TITLE. Jesus and his father both are referred to as God. So is Satan. So are Humans. So what are you dancing azonto about? 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by Boomark(m): 10:40pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: In another look at trinity, you could not answer my questions because i gave you no chance to manipulate, pages 5-7. The only thing you will to contribute here is to tell us that trinity is a mystery or that we should seek a spirit which did not reveal all truth to the apostles. The spirit that revealed all truth to others except the apostles. The others that got the revelation cannot even explain what was revealed to them. The others received a revelation which contradict what the Holyspirit inspired in the scripture. They received trinity which the spirit did not fully explain. The Holyspirit revealed all truth to that apostles that is why the word of God said "do not add do not remove." which spirit is giving you what you are adding? Food for thinking. Eat it and think. I have things that are being ignored, can you answer them without telling me its a mystery? |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:45pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Boomark: As I said before, a man with an experience is not at the mercy with the man with an argument. Go to the thread below, there's a challenge waiting for you there. https://www.nairaland.com/1139826/ever-got-jehovahs-witness-saved#up |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by plappville(f): 10:55pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him He never was refering to Himself as you can see, He is His father's spokes man. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. John 8:26 "I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world." The Father speaking through Jesus: John 14:10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by plappville(f): 11:01pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
truthislight: This is where He proved trinity doctrine completely wrong....He could not have denied if He was God, after all, He knew He will be killed! 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by honeychild(f): 11:10pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Mr_Anony:@Anony I noticed that you have somehow avoided talking about two scriptures that clearly tell us the relationship between God and Jesus. Instead you insist on drawing conclusions on the fact that titles are shared between the two of them or that God delegated a lot of his power to his First born Son. Well here are the Scriptures again. You do not need to respond here. But you can still meditate prayerfully on it.: 1 Cor 11:3 - But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ,, and the head of the woman is the man, AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD. 1 Cor 15:27- For He has put everything under his feet. Now when he says that 'everything' has been put under him, IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF, who put everything under Christ. 4 Likes |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by plappville(f): 11:23pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
Todaynatoday: Okay, by the power so vested in me, I hereby declare this thread suspended indefinitely. Everybody should go for a 7-day fasting & prayer session asking for revelation on the true nature of God. Frankly, this argument is not going to help anybody. This trininity issue has been overflogged several times on this site and I want it to finally come to an end. We must either agree or forever hold our peace. Now, I suggest that we all pray & ask God (don't ask me which God oo, if na trinity God u wan pray to make u pray and if na one God u wan pray, make u pray. My own be say we must agree and end this issue) to reveal Himself to us so that we can get a better understanding of who He truly is. I'm serious ooo, nobody must post anything here again if God has not revealed anything to him or her. Let us begin to pray for a revelation!!!!!!! The Apostles could have made it plain if be it. But no, they didn't because God is ONE, this has not changed and cannot change. Trinity has a strong force that, it keeps blind eyes to all plain Scripture. They have no the Apostles practice this doctrine. |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by Todaynatoday: 11:50pm On Dec 23, 2012 |
^^^^ That doesn't stop us from seeking the truth from God. Let this argument just cease because it's causing more division among us (this is what the devil wants). No more arguments, instead more prayers! |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by Boomark(m): 3:18am On Dec 24, 2012 |
truthislight: the bolded quotes are enough to show trinitarians who the God of the Israelites is. And His servant is Jesus. Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified His servant, Jesus, whom you, for your part, delivered up.... there is nothing here to show the God of our forefathers includes Jesus and the Holyspirit. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Christ The Servant Of God: Trinity Debunked Again by Boomark(m): 3:35am On Dec 24, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: I know that's how it will be, i have not even started. But beware of whatever you experience my brother, the devil is in the business of appearing as the angel of light. |
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