OLAADEGBU:


He is my pastor. Are you a Christian?

brocab:
No I don't call myself a Christian, these days people from all walks of life call themselves Christians, it doesn't prove they are.
I myself am a believer in Christ-but you wouldn't recognise me, as one like you?
We don't have to beat around the bush but we both know we preach two different doctrines.
And if this man is your pastor-as you boast, than I suppose you wouldn't feel you need to read the scriptures, since you have this man on your team, It amazes me, why nearly every Church around the globe refuses {1 Timothy 6:3-5} that say's "Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is their means to Financial gain. Jesus then said: From such withdraw yourselves..
"Don't Christians ever read their bibles anymore, we believers do-God never preaches about tithing, God had always preached on giving.
{Matthew 6:21} Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9fhLOHBLEI

An2elect2:
@bold Imagine how mean people can be to themselves. If they can be weary of fake drugs why can't they be weary of false doctrines? One affects the physical health, the other the soul. This just tells you where these "Christians" eyes are at. They claim it's beyond here but when you get down with facts you will see how fixated to this world they are.

An2elect2:
@bold Imagine how mean people can be to themselves. If they can be weary of fake drugs why can't they be weary of false doctrines? One affects the physical health, the other the soul. This just tells you where these "Christians" eyes are at. They claim it's beyond here but when you get down with facts you will see how fixated to this world they are.

brocab:
Very true, I hope this make sense to you, but I remember the days, when I didn't listen to anybody, I learnt the hard way, and looking back now, I believe it was my best way.
Some people are good listeners, I wasn't, learning the hard way, helped me see what my life was, it took me through some pretty tough times, I actually seen my world at its worst.
Today I am a believer, and now I see two worlds, to be with God my world is now at its best, without God my world was at it's worst.
People are lazy, the world is lazy, it is another kingdom-Jesus said" His kingdom is not of this world, mental or physical health is to hard to comprehend, the world follows after its own kind, people would rather wait for the doctor or someone else they believe that could deal with their saturation, before they could.
Without a healthy mind, or a physical mind, and without the Word of God in the Church, then people are just worldly people without a kingdom. And sadly we are talking about Christians who haven't a clue, which way is right..

Blessed are you!!

I feel safer and have learned a lot outside the modern church. All because God showed me mercy. Grateful and proud of the few of you that would not bow to the church-god but stay faithful to God.

An2elect2:
Blessed are you!!

I feel safer and have learned a lot outside the modern church. All because God showed me mercy. Grateful and proud of the few of you that would not bow to the church-god but stay faithful to God.

brocab:
Thanks brother, the Lord brought you out of the Church structure-He will use you, like He uses us.
I remember a dream I had from the Lord, I seen thousands upon thousands of sheep walking one way down through the mountains, I knew I was one of them, it brought me back to {Ezekiel 34} the shepherds had stuttered the sheep into the mountains, and the lord brought us back.
Its been some time now since I have called a Church building home, I have learn so much about the Lord, then I ever learned from any Church structure, the doctrines are different, time and time again I manage to drop in a Church here and there, I don't like to be a judge, but in most cases the Church keeps on pushing the tithing messages across, most have the music rolling for that long, the Church doesn't hear enough of the Word of God.
In every Church there are always a small group of believers, like I was, we were always pushed to one side of the Church, that the Pastor doesn't know we existed, the pastors can only please those paying Christians, they believe that paying tithes will lead them to be with the Lord. Pastors that teach tithes are too frightened to preach the truth, they are afraid if the Church knew the truth, the Church will be empty.
Since I had left the Church, there's so much the learn, and its so simple to learn, once we get the hang of it, Jesus has millions of His followers just waiting for the day the Lord comes to separate the tares from the wheat...
It isn't easy bro, to be a believer in Christ, it is a lonely road to take, if one is willing? God separates us from the world, it isn't easy bro to stand as one man trying to preach the gospel to individuates inside or outside a Church, the Lord had given the pastors the road of responsibilities to carry His message through, but do they do it? "No".
Christians are more focused by their worldly Church structures, than they are focused on God, matter of fact many are less focused reading about the Word of God, but more focused on other books, that were written by men and women who claim they had seen God the angels, Heaven or Hell.
{"There's a story out there about a pastor who spent 90 minutes in Heaven, I thinks it's page 33" his book is different to his verbal testimony, in His book He didn't see the glory of the Lord, but in his testimony he seen it. This pastor lied and became rich.
"Another story about a young boy, went into heaven after having some sort of accident with his father, a book was written about how the boy seen the Lord, and how he spent time in Heaven, when the boy had growing to an certain age, he told his father to tell the world the story is a lie from the beginning, see it wasn't the boys story, but his fathers story, the father was a pastor that wanted his Church to grow-his story had made him rich.}
Books such as these is changing peoples hearts away from the Word of God, I have found it difficult to share the gospel to all sorts of Christians around the world, they would rather believe in the lie that someone else had written, than believe in the truth that God had written.
Over the years, I have asked many Christians if I could go with them to a bible study, I never received a call, I may be asked once in a blue moon to meet people at their Church, but I found most are looking for the numbers to tithe, then they are looking for the people that needs the Lord..
Television is full of Churches, the Word Faith Movement is one of the main attractions the world see's, these are a team of prosperity preachers, that most worldly Churches receives them with flying colours having their hearts full of gold.
{Matthew 6:24} We can't serve two masters, we can't serve God and Mammon at the same time.
[1 Timothy 6:3-5} Christians from all walks of life are more focused on men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is their means to financial gain.

An2elect2:
The Lord said people won't hear Him because they are not part of His sheep. The only way this would be is when His word is unpleasant to natural men. Amazes me that people cannot see how real those words are but are however confirming them through their false beliefs and refusal to obey the truth.

That "heaven and hell, new revelation" stories are they most annoying. People are so quick to believe them because they tell them these are the things to do and not to do, it gives them a sense of power over their lives, their salvation rather than submit to the Word of God.

And true, from all walks of life we have gullible people knowingly or ignorantly submitting to men rather than to God. I believe some of them are sheep and the Lord is using us to open their eyes. May the Lord continue to keep us and strengthen us to overcome.

I am a sister tho!

brocab:
Ok sister I will keep that in mind-I remember-after the sermons Churches would preach a good message, people had a positive attitude towards there day ahead, things have changed, these days I have tried and talk with others about today's message, no-one seems interested, and most people are watching the stage, but their thoughts are elsewhere.
I suppose this is why the Lord takes people out of Church-we don't get fed anymore, most of us are seeking the Lord in our homes, not even the pastors in Church are focused on God, the latest news pastors around the globe are voting for Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve, they preach the tithing message for that long, people are sick of hearing it, to be honest the Church is falling away, the Church structure tells the story, nearly every Church-Hill songs show signs of the Illuminati, they display dirty dancing, where's the message-10 minutes the tithing message, 15 minutes about the Church activities, and 5 minutes of nothing.
Where was the sermon, what was the message? Cant people see, God is not in their house, and they won't find God anywhere with this sort of attitude the Church displays, so the Church don't feed the flock, then what, do we expect the Church to be with the Lord, are they expecting the rapture to come soon, Jesus said: many are called, but few are chosen, are people listening? Are the pastors like Governments, puppets on a string.
Does the Church need to display their riches, their over rated tax free businesses of night clubs, live music, Coffee clubs, their food industries, their buying and selling books, C/D's DVD's collecting tithes and offerings, funding's and finances, "do they need to display the rich as they sit above wearing their costly clothing displaying their riches with pride, while the poor sits hungry and in rags below, is this the Church we seek after.
The Churches are Old testament temples, that uses the Abraham story, full of riches, an old custom to pay the high priest the tithe every year, while everything else was giving to the kings, Temples that buy and sell products of books, collecting tithes and offerings and donations, they buy homes, land, slavery, life stock, and other merchandise was brought for a price and sold, while the rich become richer, and the poor become poorer..
{Matthew 21:13} Jesus said: His house is a house of prayer, not a den of thieves.
The Church has forgotten what the House of God is, without the proper teaching people won't see Christ mentally, physically, spirituality nor naturally, nor will they know it is the Word of God, because the heart of the Church is made of stone.
Slowly but surely, God will deliver His people to safety..

MrPristine:
Who has watched @daddyfreeze viral video were he exposed the tithe scam? More and more Nigerians are coming to the knowledge of truth about this institutionalized fraud.

Goshen360:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWPjBzau_W8

Goshen360:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWPjBzau_W8

Goshen360:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWPjBzau_W8

Topgainer:

This deserves a thread of its own.
First time I hear the OAP Freeze speak. Can you imagine someone seemingly worldly and a celeb class having such wisdom to search the Bible for truth therein. Whereas most of the 'Church goers and members' especially the Pentecoastal gangsters find it hard to speak sense. Papa Daddy said this and that which most times are at variance with sound Christian doctrine is all they wail like robots. The church industries of Papa Daddies are there for serious business of selling hope and enslaving as many as they get to brainwash. I think God is in the business of exposing Robbers with Bible and wolves in sheep yards. Many people are beginning to see the CEOs of Church Ltd for who they are because there has been reports of decline in the tithe revenues of most of the Prosperity Companies Ltd not because of recession but because people are beginning to see the façade.

MrPristine:


The video will definitely do a lot of damage to the tithe scam in Nigeria. He quoted a lot of bible verses that most Christians were not aware of that proves the modern day tithe doctrine to be a scam. A lot of Christians will certainly be asking their pastors loads of questions based on those verses and I can assure you from experience that they won't have any answer but to attempt to obfuscate the bible further. I mean how can a pastor explain away a clearly written verse in the bible that says you can use your tithe to drink beer �

brocab:
{2 Corinthians 11:7-9} Paul wrote and said: Did I commit sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge?
I robbed other churches taking wages from them to minister to you.
And when I am present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no-one, for what I lacked the brethren who come from Macedonia supplied.
And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you.
Even the apostle Paul is against pastors taking wages to minister to you, If we were to preach the gospel, lets do it free of charge, like Paul did, and the rest of the apostles who preach the gospel of Christ freely.

MrPristine:


Truth is that more and more pastors are coming out vocally against the tithe doctrine and admitting that it has no sound basis in true Christianity. It's just a matter of time when it will reach a critical mass of pastors preaching against the false doctrine and the tithing scam will be exposed for what it is. Of course the tithe merchants will fight back to protect their source of filthy lucre but the weight of evidence will surely be against them.

MrPristine:
As the tithe debacle becomes a national debate, now will be a good time to refresh this thread.

brocab:
No I don't call myself a Christian, these days people from all walks of life call themselves Christians, it doesn't prove they are.
I myself am a believer in Christ

johnw47:


you should reconsider that,
don't be tempted to drop the Lord's name from yout title because some are only so called christians

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Act 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.


a believer in Christ should be associated with Christ and His name,

1Pe_4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.


be proud to be named after Christ and called A CHRISTIAN

brocab:
Thanks for your little input, I should have explained my post more clearly, I know I am what the Lord had called me to be..
And I am always in trouble when I don't explain myself well, I am not hiding my true colours, and I am not ashamed to be what God had called me to be.
I don't always advertise I am a Christian-and I don't always explain things clearly-I would rather show them by my fruit I preach.
John 47, .Sample>Just the last few weeks, I was asked by Christians to join them to go with them to different prayer meetings, which I didn't mind doing such, it also gave me the time to fellowship with the body of Christ-well while I was with them on different occasions, I had noticed the Christians seem to be more focused on Church tradition; something they were taught, then I found them to 'actually know the Word of God.
After watching them for some time, I felt my spirit telling me to study up on the Word, so I did, I challenge the Word of God and tested it, I made sure I studied up before I would let my friends know what they were taught through the Church-and what they were practicing is not biblical..
Being a evangelist, most times I take the beatings, but I love trying to support the truth-it may sound easy-but jumping in a group that had being doing the same old traditions-for so long, and someone new-comes in-I end up being their worst enemy..
Well as usual things didn't turn out the way I would like to expect, and I thought after I have spent a little time with one of them-maybe we could sit down together and study up on the Word, Well that didn't happen either, the complete opposite, this man wanted to rip my head off, his Christian faith changed, without testing or even challenging the Word of God, just like a roaring lion, he chargers full of rage against me.
All is said: so bro, I am what the Lord wanted me to be, I am A Christian, but because I don't advertise it, it doesn't mean It isn't true..
Have you ever had Christians praying against you, not for you? I have been under some very super natural experiences, and these are prayed through so called Christians..