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Re: The True Church by Joagbaje(m): 1:42pm On Dec 27, 2012
I think it's only enigma who seem to get the point of the op. the idea of a church without clergy.. It's still a church because they didn't have opportunity to have clergy ,pastors or teachers. But that doesn't change God structure for the church. It was only a peculiar situation. There's difference between those who didn't have opportunity to have a pastor sent to them like Timothy who was sent by paul . There's difference between that and those who rebell against the word of God and leadership structure . If I go to Saudi Arabia. I may worship alone in my hotel room because there's no opportunity for church service . But it's different if . Chose not to.

Philip did missionary work but he wasn't an ordained pastor, he had to report to the Jerusalem church who sent ordained people to lay hands on them. We can't look down on ministry offices .


Acts 8:12-17
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women . .. 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Re: The True Church by Enigma(m): 1:55pm On Dec 27, 2012
Oga Joagbaje, how now? When are we going to fight again? grin

Anyway, I trust that alafia ni gbogbo ile wa. smiley

Happy new year --- but don't do that first fruit thing this year sha o. wink

cool
Re: The True Church by Nobody: 2:16pm On Dec 27, 2012
Joagbaje: I think it's only enigma who seem to get the point of the op. the idea of a church without clearly. It's still a church because they didn't have opportunity to have clergy ,pastors or teachers. But that doesn't change God structure for the church. It was only a peculiar situation. There's difference between those who didn't have opportunity to have a pastor sent to them like Timothy who was sent by paul . There's difference between that and those who rebell against the word of God and leadership structure . If I go to Saudi Arabia. I may worship alone in my hotel room because there's no opportunity for church service . But it's different if . Chose not to.

Philip did missionary work but he wasn't an ordained pastor, he had to report to the Jerusalem church who sent ordained people to lay hands on them. We can't look down on ministry offices .


Acts 8:12-17
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women . .. 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.



The "pastors" that were sent to them appear to have had a specific duty that had them leave upon completion, not so?
Re: The True Church by Joagbaje(m): 7:13am On Dec 28, 2012
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Ihedinobi:

The "pastors" that were sent to them appear to have had a specific duty that had them leave upon completion, not so?

That's just to show theirs hierarchy in the church. I believe later pastors were either sent there or ordained among them. There must be leadership structure . God doesn't deal with us in mass . There's difference between personal relationship and personal devotion to God and the church. One man doesn't make the church and there's a church (local gathering) there' must be leadership .

Titus 1:5
For this reason I left you [behind] in Crete, that you might set right what was defective and finish what was left undone, and that you might appoint elders and set them over the churches (assemblies) in every city as I directed you.
Re: The True Church by Joagbaje(m): 7:21am On Dec 28, 2012
Enigma: Oga Joagbaje, how now? When are we going to fight again? grin

Anyway, I trust that alafia ni gbogbo ile wa. smiley

Happy new year --- but don't do that first fruit thing this year sha o. wink

cool

Shall the sword devour for ever? . . .2 Samuel 2:26.

Happy new year in advance sir
Re: The True Church by chukwudi44(m): 7:46am On Dec 28, 2012
@joagbaje

Philip was also an apostle and pastor,please get your facts right.
Re: The True Church by Joagbaje(m): 8:34am On Dec 28, 2012
Philip was a deacon, and later became evangelist.

Acts 21:8
Then we went on to Caesarea and stayed at the home of Philip the Evangelist, one of the first seven deacons.


So you get your fact right. And if I'm wrong. Prove it . Thanks
Re: The True Church by chukwudi44(m): 11:11am On Dec 28, 2012
@joagbaje

The philip mentioned in acts 8 was an apostle while that mentioned in Acts 21 was a deacon.There are not the same person
Re: The True Church by Joagbaje(m): 1:59pm On Dec 28, 2012
He was the same Philip , he wasn't an apostle . He was a deacon at first and an evangelist later. If he were an apostle why would he require other apostle to come an lay hands in acts 8 .if he were one of them? .

He was among the people chosen of the brethren to serve tables as deacons in acts chapter 6. The apostles laid hands on them .

Acts 6:5
And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and . . . .


That's how he became deacon . But the calling of the evangelist began to manifest too. He began to move to different places to evangelise. The apostles didn't leave. Jerusalem but Philip left for different places . So he was both deacon and evangelist by office.

Acts 21:8
Then we went on to Caesarea and stayed at the home of Philip the Evangelist, one of the first seven deacons.
Re: The True Church by chukwudi44(m): 4:15pm On Dec 28, 2012
There was also an apostle called philip.The bible did not clearly state which of the philips was mentioned on acts 8.
Re: The True Church by Joagbaje(m): 5:00pm On Dec 28, 2012
Can I have a scriptural reference to it?
Re: The True Church by Mr_Anony(m): 5:08pm On Dec 28, 2012
Joagbaje: Can I have a scriptural reference to it?

13 And he goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto him whom he would: and they came unto him.
14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,
15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:
16 And Simon he surnamed Peter;
17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:
18 And Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Canaanite,
19 And Judas Iscariot, which also betrayed him: and they went into an house.

MARK 3:13-19

12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.
13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
14 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,
15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphæus, and Simon called Zelotes,
16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.

LUKE 6:12-16
Re: The True Church by chukwudi44(m): 5:46pm On Dec 28, 2012
so joagbaje you really didn't know an apostle was called philip?
I thought you are a pastor? Names of the apostles are what you should have on your finger tips
Re: The True Church by Mr_Anony(m): 6:06pm On Dec 28, 2012
chukwudi44: so joagbaje you really didn't know an apostle was called philip?
I thought you are a pastor? Names of the apostles are what you should have on your finger tips
We are all learning
Re: The True Church by Nobody: 7:15pm On Jan 09, 2013
Happy new year, everyone. So sorry I have been incommunicado. Couldn't help it.

Joagbaje: .

That's just to show theirs hierarchy in the church. I believe later pastors were either sent there or ordained among them. There must be leadership structure . God doesn't deal with us in mass . There's difference between personal relationship and personal devotion to God and the church. One man doesn't make the church and there's a church (local gathering) there' must be leadership .

Titus 1:5
For this reason I left you [behind] in Crete, that you might set right what was defective and finish what was left undone, and that you might appoint elders and set them over the churches (assemblies) in every city as I directed you.

Hey Jo, how're you doing?

Yes, there is structure in the New Creation. We have no dispute over that. The Scripturs say that the head of the woman is the man, the head of the man is Christ and the head of Christ is God. Also they say that we should obey them that have the rule over us. But that is only one side of the picture.

The Scriptures also say that the unction that we have teaches us all things and we have no need that any man teach us anything. They also tell us to regard, that is, call, no man our master because we have only one Master and He is God.

The Scriptures evidently do not contradict themselves, so these two must be of one. While we are all at different stages of development and some have gained greater experience in the Lord and can thus help the less experienced and are called to do so, they are not to lord it over their brethren presuming to control their lives. To do so would amount to usurpation of the Lord's place in the Church, the place of Headship.

Therefore, those among us called upon to lead the others are more like babysitters for Him than replacements. Like Paul said, we travail for the younger ones till Christ has taken definite shape in them, that is all.

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