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Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by naptu2: 2:56pm On Dec 24, 2012
If you want to know my views about US and British security, read this thread (you can also check out my 2009 article "The Beast and its Escorts) https://www.nairaland.com/1037728/obama-ordering-take-out-eating-resturant

I'm here to post about how we can have a better Nigeria.

Now to Duni04's query.
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by taharqa: 3:01pm On Dec 24, 2012
naptu2:

Hahahahahahahahahahahhaha!

1) I can write a book on Nigerian and US security

2) I can show you a thread where it appeared as if I was defending GEJ on this same issue of motorcades and road closures, but that's not what I'm doing, I'm looking for the best practice for Nigeria because I want a better Nigeria (I'm not one of you "GEJ till I die" or "GEJ bashers", I want a better Nigeria period!

3) On that same thread I told them that it's not about comparisons. Why? Because I'm not one of those follow follow people. If the US makes a mistake, does that mean that we should make the same mistake? If a Nigerian makes an innovation, does that mean that we should discard it because it's not done in the US?
@naptu2, let me just say that i believe you. You are not d frivolous type, and i was not actuali directly responding to you but to d THOUGHTS of sm oda persons on dis thread (even if i directly quotd yr comment)..... I wud hv lovd to debate hw best Presidents can move around with d LEAST POSSIBLE disruptns on d activities of odas (as u did in yr 1st comment on pg1- where i clickd 'like' by d way), but u know well dat this was not why dis thread was opend and brought to d FP..... Anoda time perhaps?
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by naptu2: 3:17pm On Dec 24, 2012
duni04: In reality though I don't think the president is directly responsible for his security. His security details are supposed to plan out and choose the safest and most convenient route for the president to travel. What jonathan can do however is to advice his security details to plan out routes that do not disturb the normal daily routine of average Nigerians.

Presidential security is done in layers. That's why you saw in my opening post I laid the primary blame at the feet of Compol Lagos, Dcompol Ops Lagos and the President's CSO (the President has no idea of the details of the road closures, route lining, etc). However, the President is still the Commander in Chief and he can take action if he wants to.

This is how his security is built up.

1) The first person to know about the president's visit is usually Compol and the State Director SSS. Compol is informed that the President is on his way. The controller (on the orders of Compol) broadcasts a message to the police stations (divisions) on along the president's route (eg, this morning, Anthony Village Division and Adeniji Adele division would have been told to provide one SPO and 5 policemen for route lining). These are the people that will enforce the road closures. The President does not know these men.

2) Compol prepares his best men (in the case of Lagos that would be RRS) and vehicles that would form the outer layer of the President's motorcade. The President does not know these men.

3) However, the inner layer of the President's security is provided by his own guards. Some of them fly into town the night before (if it's a scheduled visit) and others fly in with him.

4) When movement starts, Dcompol ops will be in the advance team (road close) while Compol will be in the President's motorcade. Dcompol ops gives the "road close" order. However, he can be over-ruled by the President's CSO.

A) And this is the point. I've seen many situations where the Principal has ordered the CSO to vary security because of the negative effects it would have on citizens. This is not usual advisable, because the CSO is the professional, but it's been done many times and the security details must obey.

I remember that Tiger (Obasanjo's security nickname) did this many times.

B) My real grouse is that the rights of the citizens are not taken into account at all. The point is that the security of the president is extremely important, but so also are the rights of the citizens. Professional security men will balance these two. Fly where possible. Go unannounced where possible. Vary the time of you arrival where possible. Fly into military airfields where possible. The problem is that these options exist, but are not being used, because the security details do not take into account the rights of the citizens. The President can change this (I know he has suffered from this same problem. His cousin's arm was broken) if he wants to, through direct orders to his CSO and through improved training.

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Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by oddy4real(m): 3:25pm On Dec 24, 2012
naptu2:

Presidential security is done in layers. That's why you saw in my opening post I laid the primary blame at the feet of Compol Lagos, Dcompol Ops Lagos and the President's CSO (the President has no idea of the details of the road closures, route lining, etc). However, the President is still the Commander in Chief and he can take action if he wants to.

This is how his security is built up.

1) The first person to know about the president's visit is usually Compol and the State Director SSS. Compol is informed that the President is on his way. The controller (on the orders of Compol) broadcasts a message to the police stations (divisions) on along the president's route (eg, this morning, Anthony Village Division and Adeniji Adele division would have been told to provide one SPO and 5 policemen for route lining). These are the people that will enforce the road closures. The President does not know these men.

2) Compol prepares his best men (in the case of Lagos that would be RRS) and vehicles that would form the outer layer of the President's motorcade. The President does not know these men.

3) However, the inner layer of the President's security is provided by his own guards. Some of them fly into town the night before (if it's a scheduled visit) and others fly in with him.

4) When movement starts, Dcompol ops will be in the advance team (road close) while Compol will be in the President's motorcade. Dcompol ops gives the "road close" order. However, he can be over-ruled by the President's CSO.

A) And this is the point. I've seen many situations where the Principal has ordered the CSO to vary security because of the negative effects it would have on citizens. This is not usual advisable, because the CSO is the professional, but it's been done many times and the security details must obey.

I remember that Tiger (Obasanjo's security nickname) did this many times.

B) My real grouse is that the rights of the citizens are not taken into account at all. The point is that the security of the president is extremely important, but so also are the rights of the citizens. Professional security men will balance these two. Fly where possible. Go unannounced where possible. Vary the time of you arrival where possible. Fly into military airfields where possible. The problem is that these options exist, but are not being used, because the security details do not take into account the rights of the citizens. The President can change this (I know he has suffered from this same problem. His cousin's arm was broken) if he wants to, through direct orders to his CSO and through improved training.
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by oddy4real(m): 3:26pm On Dec 24, 2012
naptu2:

Presidential security is done in layers. That's why you saw in my opening post I laid the primary blame at the feet of Compol Lagos, Dcompol Ops Lagos and the President's CSO (the President has no idea of the details of the road closures, route lining, etc). However, the President is still the Commander in Chief and he can take action if he wants to.

This is how his security is built up.

1) The first person to know about the president's visit is usually Compol and the State Director SSS. Compol is informed that the President is on his way. The controller (on the orders of Compol) broadcasts a message to the police stations (divisions) on along the president's route (eg, this morning, Anthony Village Division and Adeniji Adele division would have been told to provide one SPO and 5 policemen for route lining). These are the people that will enforce the road closures. The President does not know these men.

2) Compol prepares his best men (in the case of Lagos that would be RRS) and vehicles that would form the outer layer of the President's motorcade. The President does not know these men.

3) However, the inner layer of the President's security is provided by his own guards. Some of them fly into town the night before (if it's a scheduled visit) and others fly in with him.

4) When movement starts, Dcompol ops will be in the advance team (road close) while Compol will be in the President's motorcade. Dcompol ops gives the "road close" order. However, he can be over-ruled by the President's CSO.

A) And this is the point. I've seen many situations where the Principal has ordered the CSO to vary security because of the negative effects it would have on citizens. This is not usual advisable, because the CSO is the professional, but it's been done many times and the security details must obey.

I remember that Tiger (Obasanjo's security nickname) did this many times.

B) My real grouse is that the rights of the citizens are not taken into account at all. The point is that the security of the president is extremely important, but so also are the rights of the citizens. Professional security men will balance these two. Fly where possible. Go unannounced where possible. Vary the time of you arrival where possible. Fly into military airfields where possible. The problem is that these options exist, but are not being used, because the security details do not take into account the rights of the citizens. The President can change this (I know he has suffered from this same problem. His cousin's arm was broken) if he wants to, through direct orders to his CSO and through improved training.
This guy is SOUND!. Gbawe, Demdem the Rtetardeen, Prof Corruption, Eko Ile and other AC-HEN groupies should learn from him. He is knowledgeable and criticises CONSTRUCTIVELY. Unlike you peeps with empty heads who still hurl curses at Mr President.
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by matthew41(m): 3:58pm On Dec 24, 2012
Abi dis man is trying to dodge those boko guys threat. undecided
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by Nobody: 4:10pm On Dec 24, 2012
When it comes to what happens in Nigeria, I think I have a solution. The solution is that we are all mugus and we are contributing to the mess that's happening here. It is easy to point fingers at leaders but actually, a leader cannot be different from the followers because he was one of us; he came from among us.

The same madness happening at the federal level is happening in the local government. Your neighbour who you knew before is now councilor or chairman, and suddenly, you're not seeing changes in the environment but you're seeing changes in him. He gets fatter and we mugus are grumbling and shouting along as if we are not seeing that the solution lies in the fact that we have to address these ourselves.. Lagbaja
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by sucess001(m): 4:10pm On Dec 24, 2012
Symphony007: by mentioning obasanjo you just exastubated your ignorance of this issue. Obasanjo did this big time. I remember once in port harcourt when obasanjo was in town to do some commissioning. The state was so clogged up that some schools did'nt open. Many other occasions, him and the late mrs stella obasanjo. Pls get your facts right.


Who is this id.iot talking and tellin pple to get their facts right...i ve worked in lagos island and VI for years. workedhere while obj was president and i cant recall busnessbeing as disrupted as many times as gej...if u re a b.loody apologist...just avoid me bro...cos pple like u nauseate me so bad!

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Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by naptu2: 4:44pm On Dec 24, 2012
taharqa: @naptu2, let me just say that i believe you. You are not d frivolous type, and i was not actuali directly responding to you but to d THOUGHTS of sm oda persons on dis thread (even if i directly quotd yr comment)..... I wud hv lovd to debate hw best Presidents can move around with d LEAST POSSIBLE disruptns on d activities of odas (as u did in yr 1st comment on pg1- where i clickd 'like' by d way), but u know well dat this was not why dis thread was opend and brought to d FP..... Anoda time perhaps?

No problem bro.
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by Nobody: 6:44pm On Dec 24, 2012
ypzilanti:

Frankly speaking, the disconnect of the people in power to the people guarantees this type of security measures.

I have casually run into Lilyel Imoke and Donald Duke in Cross River state. In both cases, the were on about their business with little more than an orderly at a distance.

The same with Oshiomole...I once drove past a spot where he was conducting an inspection. The crowd was gathered around him and security stood without menace.

Unannounced and unscheduled visits do not require much bravado and security detailing. The major security is that NO ONE KNOWS YOU ARE COMING.

As much as possible, politicians in developed climes try to make the security measures largely unseen and covert...this is to create a sense of normality around the Head of State.

Bros u just told a lie here. Fashola moves with 7cars or more including ambulance, press bus etc...please dont talk about issues u know little about

It is all about attitude. Former Lagos state governors used to blast siren in Lagos. Fashola goes about with a maximum if four cars, and without siren.

Of course the position of President is more important and dangerous, but a certain type of president would consider Lagosians in his movement plans and try to be as non obstructive as possible.
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by ypzilanti: 8:59pm On Dec 24, 2012
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@mitwitdot, Fashola moves with what you listed for official engagements. For his normal waka inside Lagos, he does not exceed 4 cars and does not use siren. Are you a Lagosian at all. Lagosians know this very well. I see his convoy all the time. The only security measure is that they drive in a manner that prevents you from overtaking his car. Also his vehicle is obviously bullet proof.

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Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by jmaine: 9:46pm On Dec 24, 2012
Naptu is an awesome poster with a clear cut unbiased view cool
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by emmatok(m): 10:56pm On Dec 24, 2012
oddy4real:
This guy is SOUND!. Gbawe, Demdem the Rtetardeen, Prof Corruption, Eko Ile and other AC-HEN groupies should learn from him. He is knowledgeable and criticises CONSTRUCTIVELY. Unlike you peeps with empty heads who still hurl curses at Mr President.

I see you are the empty head here what @netup2 wrote is what every Protocol Official should know.
But GEJ fans ignore the facts to do otherwise.
The Irony is that most of these GUY served under other presidents .
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by Symphony007: 11:01pm On Dec 24, 2012
sucess001:


Who is this id.iot talking and tellin pple to get their facts right...i ve worked in lagos island and VI for years. workedhere while obj was president and i cant recall busnessbeing as disrupted as many times as gej...if u re a b.loody apologist...just avoid me bro...cos pple like u nauseate me so bad!
please behave yourself in a most respectable manner, we're having a reasonable discussion and it's tragic that you choose to desent into name calling. Once again get your facts right because you find real facts nauseating.
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by sucess001(m): 3:06am On Dec 25, 2012
@ syphony...sowie bro...no harm meant...buh u threw d first stone...

Anyways...I still maintain my position and I don't agree wit u.

My facts re easily verifiable...

Nice write up...ypilant & naptu
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by Symphony007: 5:13am On Dec 25, 2012
sucess001: @ syphony...sowie bro...no harm meant...buh u threw d first stone...

Anyways...I still maintain my position and I don't agree wit u.

My facts re easily verifiable...

Nice write up...ypilant & naptu
thank you too for an honorable conversation, though we don't agree with each other. Merry christmass to you and your farmily.
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by hardeyincah(m): 9:09am On Dec 25, 2012
BBPREYEgarri: He is the President of Nigeria fo God's sake, he should be given that honour! Some you retardeens here will do worse that what ur complaining about if u were in his shoes!
Foools!
I get annoyed when i see crazy retarded brain give retard comments, and yet u see retarded people too liking the crazy comment... Why can't they practice what Gen. Muritala did during his Regime(No sirens and d likes)
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by Gbawe: 9:22am On Dec 25, 2012
emmatok:

I see you are the empty head here what @netup2 wrote is what every Protocol Official should know.
But GEJ fans ignore the facts to do otherwise.
The Irony is that most of these GUY served under other presidents .

Blind sycophancy and the vacuous hatred of others is what you can always trust GEJ fans to be about. This is not even about listing the security protocol of Mr.President. We should be a modern and adaptable nation for god sake. This is about an unintelligent throwback President crudely hurling money around in futility and deliberately doing things the wrong ways sensible leaders will reject. Did this same GEJ not devote the largest amount of money to security ever in the history of Nigeria? Fans of GEJ should tell us if Nigeria was more secure and if Nigerians were safer this year we are about to see out. Terrorism and armed robbery the same, kidnapping now at a new level, oil bunkering worse, etc, etc. All this despite the vast sum devoted to security. Would this not be regarded an epic failure in many sane and ambitious Nations considering the record-breaking amount devoted to security in our last budget?

A sincere President, perhaps intelligent and a solutions provider, would understand that our security challenges cannot be resolved throwing money around. Real effort, genuine will and sincerity is what is needed. When we can all see GEJ dancing around terrorists he says he knows, then those who don't lie to themselves know Mr. President is only being deceptively indolent by devoting vast sums to security just to fool Nigerians. When GEJ is making payments to former militants and using executive influence to give them maritime contracts that 'privatises' what should be the duty of the Nigerian Navy or a specially trained State force, as is likely to be done everywhere else, why will oil theft and bunkering not be worsening? Is it not obvious that GEJ, most times, causes the problem he pretends he is seeking solutions for?

With his personal security, issues are over the top simply because GEJ , contrary to what some think, is not a humble, temperate or pro-people President. This is a man who insensitively believes in a fleet of airplanes, expensive food, expensive protocol, big governance, unneeded banquet halls, fleets of cars et al while heading the affairs of some of the poorest folks in the world.

Where a Thomas Sankara, or others fully intelligent about what statecraft entails, would attempt to do things in minimally disruptive ways, GEJ would choose the expensive option involving the biggest expenses and also likely to cause the most disruption to Nigerians. The point being that all his actions show he is a very selfish President who "does not give a damn". The convenience of Nigerians is not something he considers thus the man will never embrace any sacrifice to make things easier for Nigerians. This is why everywhere is closed down to accommodate him. Many are yet to understand that GEJ is a 'Dinosaur' in relation to what Nigeria needs in this day and age. Much like a worker on average income using an 8 litre Mustang as an everyday car in the UK. All his wages would be spent on petrol but he will not care because he is not a reasonable or thoughtful person in the first place.

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Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by naptu2: 9:46am On Dec 25, 2012
Traffic advisory: I have just been informed that General Azazi's wake-keep will hold @ The Harbour Point, Victoria Island tomorrow (probably in the evening). His funeral will hold @ The Catholic Church of Assumption Falomo on Thursday (probably in the morning/afternoon). There might be traffic restrictions at these places on these days.
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by naptu2: 9:54am On Dec 25, 2012
In the late '80s/early '90s a man sued the president (General Babangida).

The man was rushing his daughter to the hospital. They got to the foot of 3rd Mainland Bridge and met road closures because they were expecting the president. His daughter died.
Re: President Jonathan To Visit Lagos Today (24/12/12) by sucess001(m): 8:40am On Dec 27, 2012
Symphony007: thank you too for an honorable conversation, though we don't agree with each other. Merry christmass to you and your farmily.


Thank you Bro. Wish you same.

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