Bidam: @Apostle image ..God bless you jare...

deebrain: Aint that cute? Two chickens playing over spilled milk? I expected answers not this....I kind of like the tag team though...
Childish.

Image123:
you expected answers? keep hope alive, th jews are still expecting the messiah.

frosbel:

"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ." - 2 Corinthians 11:13

frosbel: Some beautiful quotes from eternal torment champions.

Image123 will be proud of these wonderful , kind and godly men.


"In order that the happiness of the saints will be more delightful ... they are permitted perfectly to behold the sufferings of the damned. ... The saints will rejoice in the punishment of the damned ... which will fill them with joy."
--St. Thomas Aquinas

"The happiness of the elect will consist in part of witnessing the torments of the damned in hell, among whom may be their own children, parents, husbands, wives and friends; ... but instead of taking the part of their miserable being, they will say 'Amen!', 'Hallelujah!', 'Praise the Lord!'"
--Rev. Nathaniel Emmons (1745 - 1840)

"You are going to see again the child ... that was condemned to hell. See! It is a pitiful sight. The little child is in this red hot oven. Hear how it screams to come out.... It beats its head against the roof of the oven. It stamps its little feet on the floor of the oven. ... You can see on the face of this little child what you see on the faces of all in hell - despair, desperate and horrible."
--Rev. J. Furniss, in "Tracts for Spiritual Reading", a popular booklet for children (late 19th Century)

truthislight:


they are sadist it seems to me!

akaazua: Mat:5:28-30 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

IF HELL IS NOT A PLACE OF TORMENT, JESUS WILL BE SO SERIOUS LIKE THIS.

Re:14:11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Re:20:10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.[color=#990000][/color]

PLS, BE OBJECTIVE BROTHER.

akaazua: Mat:5:28-30 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

IF HELL IS NOT A PLACE OF TORMENT, JESUS WILL BE SO SERIOUS LIKE THIS.

Re:14:11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Re:20:10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.[color=#990000][/color]

PLS, BE OBJECTIVE BROTHER.

frosbel: Some beautiful quotes from eternal torment champions.

Image123 will be proud of these wonderful , kind and godly men.


"In order that the happiness of the saints will be more delightful ... they are permitted perfectly to behold the sufferings of the damned. ... The saints will rejoice in the punishment of the damned ... which will fill them with joy."
--St. Thomas Aquinas

"The happiness of the elect will consist in part of witnessing the torments of the damned in hell, among whom may be their own children, parents, husbands, wives and friends; ... but instead of taking the part of their miserable being, they will say 'Amen!', 'Hallelujah!', 'Praise the Lord!'"
--Rev. Nathaniel Emmons (1745 - 1840)

"You are going to see again the child ... that was condemned to hell. See! It is a pitiful sight. The little child is in this red hot oven. Hear how it screams to come out.... It beats its head against the roof of the oven. It stamps its little feet on the floor of the oven. ... You can see on the face of this little child what you see on the faces of all in hell - despair, desperate and horrible."
--Rev. J. Furniss, in "Tracts for Spiritual Reading", a popular booklet for children (late 19th Century)

Image123:
i don't follow men like you religiously do. My posts speak the Word. Your posts show endless links to men's thoughts and ideas, go figure. blackmail champion, Jesus remains eternal torment's chief champion, "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth"

What would you do if you were on a jury hearing a case like the one that follows? A group of children, out for a walk in the country, fail to see a “No Trespassing” sign and walk through the garden of an eccentric recluse, picking and trampling on some of the flowers. Breathing vengeance, the owner catches the children and takes them into a secret building, where he sets up cameras to record the punishment he is about to mete out to them.

The children are put through every form of torture conceivable. Their screams fill the building and beyond. Days stretch into weeks before a search party, out looking for the children, breaks into the building and rescues them.

Let us assume that this human demon is protected from the community’s outrage long enough to be brought to trial and that the footage he had taken is shown to the jury and spectators.

If you were on a jury trying the case, what would be your verdict? I’m sure it would be “Guilty!” To be sure, the children broke the law when they trespassed on the man’s property. They deserved a punishment. But should they be returned to the torture chamber so that the films of their suffering can be shown to every child in the land, that all may know the punishment to be meted out to those who trespass?

Would you want to make an example of this just and loving man who had devised such a brilliant plan for teaching children to be obedient? Would you suggest placing a statue of him in the town square and holding him up as an example for all people to follow in their treatment of trespassers? I hardly think so!

A Diabolical God
Though no human jury would return such a verdict, some Christians charge God with being a million times more cruel than this fictional human monster—more diabolical than the devil himself. They proclaim that God will torture sinners for a thousand million years and more. These people describe sinners writhing, screaming, and crying out to Heaven for mercy, but every cry is thrown back by a God who meets each plea with, “Burn on! Burn on!”

Fortunately, when we put together all of the biblical evidence, a different picture emerges—a picture of a merciful God who does indeed punish sin, but who does so with mercy. For example, Romans 6:23 says that “the wages of sin is death,” not eternal torment in hellfire. Ezekiel said, “ ‘The soul who sins is the one who will die’ ” (Ezekiel 18:4). And Nahum said that God’s enemies, “tangled like thornbushes / and staggering like drunks, / will be burned up like dry stubble in a field” (Nahum 1:10, NLT).

Christ Himself said that both soul and body will be destroyed in hell (see Matthew 10:28). The Greek word translated destroy in this text is rendered “to destroy utterly” by Henry George Liddell and Robert Scott in their Greek-English lexicon.

The apostle Peter declared that the wicked will “utterly perish,” (2 Peter 2:12, NKJV). The psalmist said, “The wicked will perish: / TheLord’s enemies will be like the beauty of the fields, / they will vanish—vanish like smoke” (Psalm 37:20).

In Malachi 4:1, we read that the wicked “ ‘will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,’ says the Lord Almighty. ‘Not a root or a branch will be left to them.’ ” Obadiah declared that after the wicked have been destroyed, they will “ ‘be as if they had never been’ ” (Obadiah 16). The psalmist adds his testimony: “A little while, and the wicked will be no more; / though you look for them, they will not be found” (Psalm 37:10).

In Revelation 20:5, 9, we learn that the wicked, after their resurrection to stand in judgment before God, will be devoured on this earth by fire from heaven. Ezekiel tells us that even Lucifer will be brought “ ‘ “to ashes on the ground” ’ ” (Ezekiel 28:18). The prophet adds, “ ‘ “You have come to a horrible end / and will be no more” ’ ” (verse 19). Malachi, in referring to the destruction of the wicked says, “ ‘Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things,’ says the Lord Almighty” (Malachi 4:3).

With the fires of destruction completely out, God will create “a new heaven and a new earth” (2 Peter 3:13). He will also “ ‘wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away’ ” (Revelation 21:4).

But what of the “ ‘unquenchable fire’ ” John the Baptist declared God would use in “ ‘burning up the chaff’ ” (Matthew 3:12)? This text is easily understood. Unquenchable bombs are used in war, bombs which cannot be extinguished or put out by immersion. An unquenchable fire is one that cannot be put out until it has consumed what it is burning. It then goes out by itself when there is nothing left to burn.

Even the “everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41, KJV) will give a careful student of the Scriptures no cause to question God’s justice in the destruction of the wicked. “Everlasting” is from the Greek word aionios or aion, a word for which there is no true English equivalent. The root means “space or period of time,” “lifetime or life,” “age,” or “era.” It is similar to our word ever. We can say the “ever-living God” and mean that God will live on through eternity. But when we speak of an ever-green tree, we all know that the tree will not be green after it dies or is consumed by fire. The ever in both cases is limited by the length of the era of the thing described. The everlasting fire lasts as long as the wicked do. When John the revelator speaks of “the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth” (Revelation 14:6, KJV), he does not mean that the gospel will continue to be preached in the new earth, where there will be no sinners.

Origin of Eternal Punishment
So, if the Scriptures do not picture God as a merciless demon who punishes human beings without respite through all eternity, where did this doctrine come from?

It was the generally accepted belief of all ancient pagans. Zoroaster taught that hell was unending. The ancient Greeks and the old Germans taught the same, as did the Druids. It is the teaching of the Koran. The devil worshipers of the Near East, the Yazidis, teach that some will be condemned to suffer forever in hellfire. And Mithraists, who got their religion from Babylon by way of Persia, taught of eternal hellfire. Mithraism, with its everlasting torment of the wicked, became an official religion of Rome around the time of Christ and remained so for 200 years.

In his book, The Mysteries of Mithra, Franz Cumont points out that in the struggle between Mithraism and Christianity, it is difficult to tell which won, for the church adopted many of the rites, teachings, practices, and holy days of Mithraism. “The conceptions which Mithraism had diffused throughout the empire during a period of three centuries,” he says, “were not destined to perish with it. Some of them, . . . such as the ideas concerning hell, . . . were accepted even by its adversaries. . . . Certain of its sacred practices continued to exist also in the ritual of Christian festivals and in popular usage.”

Cumont goes on to say that “Mithraism . . . was formed in the Orient from a mixture of the ancient Babylonian mythology with Persian dualism and . . . afterward absorbed Hellenic elements. . . . Mystics . . . were enraptured with the new conciliatory faith which suffered Zoroaster and Christ to be simultaneously worshipped. Thus renewed, the Mithraic doctrines were destined to withstand for centuries all persecutions, and rising again in a new form in the Middle Ages to shake once more the ancient Roman world.”

The doctrine of eternal hellfire did not originate with Christianity. It arose in that system of demon worship that has ever sought to discredit God and misrepresent His justice and love toward humanity. The very heart of demon worship is fear, and its worship is directed toward the placation of an angry, merciless god who ever seeks to destroy humankind. Certainly no doctrine ever arose in demon worship more capable of inspiring fear than the doctrine of eternal torment.

Two Views of God
Thus, we have before us two teachings about God and His attitude toward sinful human beings. One, based on the Bible, declares that God is just, loving, and merciful. He metes out the death penalty only to those who, by their rebellion and lawlessness, would jeopardize the happiness of others if they were permitted to live.

The other teaching, which had its origin in demon worship, declares that God is a merciless tyrant who will torture sinners throughout all eternity; a God who, as billions of years roll by, meets every plea from sinners for mercy and justice with a diabolical sneer, “Burn on!”

Check your religion. Choose which doctrine you will accept.

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Bidam: hmmmn i can see you guys are keeping the thread busy...hell dey really torment una before una even see am.

Image123:
they want to have the last word, let them have it. They thought we would not answer their questions so that they could use that to assuage their dead conscience, they got a rude shock and are straying to recover. let them have the last word, if that reduces their pain.

broswilli: Eternal fire in the bible simply means non existence. This can be seen in the scriptures clearly in the book of Jude verse 7. That scripture says that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrhah are set as an example of those suffering the judgement of everlasting fire. We all know what an example is. An example is something we can see and learn from. It simply means Sodom and Gomorrhah which no more exist are suffering the eternal punishment of not existing. God is not the God of the dead but the God of the living can only be a valid statement if death means non existence. Because God is the God of everything that exist Including the Devil and those that are sinning against him.

frosbel:

A perfect summary to this article.

Let them who have ears hear !

worthson: Jesus Christ is pleading with you,repent and avoid hell!

worthson: Jesus Christ is pleading with you,repent and avoid hell!

inspiredbyGOD:
Psalm 30:5
New International Version
(NIV)
5 For his anger lasts only a moment, but his favor lasts a lifetime; weeping may stay for the night,
but rejoicing comes in the morning.
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I don't think GOD would go against His character. I do feel that there is a place of torment where the wicked will be destroyed. Think about this; only through Jesus can we get everlasting life and without Him, you only get the opposite which is death. If people are going to get tormented forever and ever for all eternity then that would mean that they would have life in that lake of fire not death. The bottomline is, hell is the place where the wicked will be forever destroyed (cease to exist).