maninmood: Subscribing.... Billoynaire, do you have any idea of what could happen after death? Is death a relaxing methodology(procedure) to this stressful, fluctuating life?

Here are some posted accounts by OBEs and Near-Death Experiencers from across the world:

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/Exceptional%20Accounts.htm

The overwhelming majority of us upon death, will end up in the middle or higher astral dimensions. Mind you, this transition is completely independent of one's religion or belief system, and is as natural a progression as being born into this world.


WHAT THE AFTERLIFE IS LIKE


The Middle and Higher Astral

By Dr. Tan Kheng Khoo

Now the middle astral proper. Where is it? Geographically, it is exactly where we are, except that it is interpenetrating our world. Why don’t we see it? It is like the blades of a fan. When the blades are revolving slowly, we can still see the blades moving. If they go much faster, there will come a time when our eyes cannot see the blades. This is exactly what happens.

The etheric and the more subtle bodies vibrate at a much higher speed than the physical body, and consequently our eyes cannot see these bodies, except those with clairvoyant sight. That means that the astral world is not up there. It is around us. In the same fashion the higher astral realm is not visible to the lower astral inhabitants.

As there are innumerable grades of the astral, and as there are also the mental, the spiritual, and the celestial and cosmic consciousness and so on, the way to enter these higher realms is to increase our own vibrations to their rates. But we cannot increase our vibrations so quickly: it takes a lot of time and effort.

Therefore, if one is interested to visit someone else in the higher realm, another being with higher vibrations must escort that person up. And then it is only for a limited time; otherwise, it gets too hot and stifling for that individual who must come back down to one’s own pigeonhole immediately. In crossing over from a lower realm to a higher one we inevitably come to an invisible border beyond which we cannot traverse.

The air gets thinner as the vibration rate is higher. The light becomes brighter as we approach this border. Then after crossing the border, we begin to suffocate and feel faint. Then our strength fails us. At this point if our guide, who is of higher vibration does not help us, we have to return to our own realm.

Having been welcomed by relatives and friends and having gone through the life review, they gather at a concourse like a depot. Those who have recovered from the convalescent homes may join them there or go directly to their destinations. All of them would be allocated their respective pigeonholes: these are the communities of like mind within a set range of vibrations.

Their guides escort all of them to their respective destinations. Like attracts like. In one pigeonhole, all the inhabitants vibrate at the same speed, and are at the same level of spiritual development. There are no freaks or miscreants in the community. They all mirror one another: the angry will be with the angry, the loving will remain with the loving.

Now that they are settled down they can start to learn about their new environment and either make new friends or renew old acquaintances. They will notice that everything is available to them as on earth except for motorised machines like cars, lifts and aeroplanes. There are also no policemen, bankers, brokers or taxi-drivers. There are no restaurants, food-stalls, and public or private toilets. They do not eat or drink and therefore there is no necessity to excrete waste. The air is superb and not contaminated.

The vegetation is wonderfully fresh and the colours of the flowers are simply exquisite: the red is redder and the green is greener. The flowers are themselves a source of energy. If you were to cup the flowers with your hands, a surge of energy will go up your two arms. The colours give out different sounds. Each colour has its own sound. The fragrances and the perfumes are magnificent. Everything is so vivid. The sounds are sharper and the musical scale is much more than the eight note octave: there appear to be natural semitones and quartertones and the musical dimension is celestially beyond human ears. It seems to wrap around you: there are no jarring sounds and there is no hard metal music.

You don’t have to eat or drink. But if you were in the habit of eating, the very thought of any food would make it appear to you straightaway. After eating half way, if one does not want to continue eating, whatever food is left over will simply disappear. Sex is required in the physical world because that is the way to replenish the species, but the spirit world is populated by the death of the people on earth. Therefore, there is no necessity for physical sex.

However love in the astral is very much more intense and much more satisfying than on earth. Seeing that we can have almost anything we want by merely thinking of it, there is no end of experimenting, but certain objects have to be earned as well. For instance, if we want a house in a certain locality, we have to perform enough service to have permission to have it built there. So is the type of house. Of course, we could have earned that right even when we were on earth.

How do we travel about? There are four ways. The first is to walk about like what we are doing on earth. The second way is to glide along as we travel on a travelator. The third method is to fly. The last method is to think of a place and at once we are there. This method, however, needs some practice initially. There are no cars, trains or aeroplanes or any motorised vehicles: as they are not needed. Sleep is not necessary as we do not need to rest the etheric and astral bodies.

There is no sun, neither is there any moon. There is an eternal sun that is never glaring or heat producing. It is soft and glowing. However, if a group of souls want to have some darkness to simulate night for some sleep, it can be done communally, but after some time, they realise that it is not required. Similarly whole communities can change the landscape by wishing for mountains, rivers and waterfalls etc.

These take time to organise. However after many aeons, the wonderful landscape is already present and it does not seem to require improving. As one goes up higher the spiritual ladder (mental and spiritual realms), there will be no sexual differences and finally there will be no form.

There are numerous halls of learning for all interests and disciplines e.g. history, mythology, mathematics, painting, music etc. There is no shortage of teachers if you are willing to learn. All the information will be displayed before you in graphic forms and around you in three or four dimensions. All the sound system will be either stereophonic or sense around.

The instructions will be up to our own individual level and no higher. What about recreation? You may play all sorts of ball games or swim or ski, anything that is involved with nature. Then those who are inclined to look after animals waiting for their masters, or to care for children who have preceded their parents, may find themselves pretty busy tending to these pets and children until their respective owners and parents arrive in the astral.

For the more leisurely and those who are in for aesthetic appearance, they may adorn themselves with jewels, rubies and diamonds etc. These ornaments must be earned. Most of them are given for prolonged service. Apparently the deserving ones may pluck these ornaments from the ethereal clouds. The largest and most beautiful ones are worn by higher beings of thousands of years old.

The countryside in the astral is the most exquisite. Whatever one has seen on earth, those in the astral surpass the earth by a thousand times. The meadows, streams, trees and flowers and other plants are so well cultivated that one would need a thousand gardeners on earth to have the same effect. In the astral, merely a few specialists working with the mind will suffice. Of course these specialised gardeners would have had much training on the subject.

They have an advantage with the weather. There are no rain, storms, snow and winds of any kind. The atmosphere is always perfect. The plants and flowers have their own energy and they more or less grow on their own. They emit such wonderful fragrances that the perfumes of France are like cheap perfumes. The vegetation also produces musical sounds befitting the environment. The water in the streams, ponds, lakes and sea do not wet the individual. The water just falls off like very, light mercury. One can dive into the sea for a swim and the minute one gets out of the water, one is dry!

http://www.kktanhp.com/spirit%20world.htm

Pain: .

Dude, tell me more about it.

There's no such thing as a spirit. FACT

Pain: I have read thru most of the posts. Most of the responses are very human and innocent as expected. I really connect with most of them because I have gone thru all the stages of doubt before. I come from very strong christian background hence the propensity to cast doubts due to several years of conditioning.

Right from my high school days I started reading and consuming large chunks of different literature from the rampa series to the gnostic gospels just to punch holes in them. I was an excellent student of physics also. The point is that I never believed in the OBE and considered Astral Projections a form or witchcraft until I was poisoned/heavily drugged some 5yrs ago.

I was living alone then. To cut the story short, It was around 4am on my birthday that I felt a sudden numbness after consuming a pack of juice. I became so weak and then I felt a sudden bang and swoosh! I was floating. I was able to see everything in my surrounding in brighter colors. I was so scared because I knew I was dead. I was able to travel back home to Nigeria. Our family home had been repainted and refurbished. I could describe everything. I didn't want to die I kept struggling to return. By the time I woke up, I was already foaming from the mouth. I had to summon strength to call for help on 911. My siblings where shocked when I described the works and new painting at the family house. It only solidified their faith in the after life.

I realised later that I returned with some knowledge I did not possess earlier. Will share that later. Okay?

its not after-life you experienced,its OBE, anyways to experience,you have to be absent in the "flesh" to be present in the spirit world and sometimes you can be "present" in both realms.

There was a time when humanity lived in a 2D world. Our ancestors (mostly due to superstition and religious dogma) thought one could fall of the earth if you strayed too far from known path.

Fortunately,This has changed.

Now We know of the 3 spatial Dimensions and time. We can experience these 4 Dimensions in our daily lives. But, I am skeptical abt the fact that an OBE has become the defacto method of experiencing other Dimensions. How do we know that our brains are not just playing tricks on us durring these OBE experiences.

As I am not an expert in theoretical physics or neuro biology I hope a more quantifyable technique (for laymen) for explaining a multi dimensional existence is created.

Na wa for all of una o. IMO ooo,all this na witch dey do am. The one i've experienced is what we christians call TRANCE which is a gift from the Holy Spirit. Another one i know rarely happens to me is when i am seriously sick. My sensory becomes very sharp and i can hear thoughts all around me but not coming from those in the physical world. I so hate that moment

elliottibanga: There was a time when humanity lived in a 2D world. Our ancestors (mostly due to superstition and religious dogma) thought one could fall of the earth if you strayed too far from known path.

Fortunately,This has changed.

Now We know of the 3 spatial Dimensions and time. We can experience these 4 Dimensions in our daily lives. But, I am skeptical abt the fact that an OBE has become the defacto method of experiencing other Dimensions. How do we know that our brains are not just playing tricks on us during these OBE experiences.

Insofar as the experience feels real and solid (even more so than THIS reality) then it is an actual experience.

As for the brain playing tricks on us - Isn't that what the brain is doing ALL the time? Even now as we type? The brain is only a receiver and processor of information. The screen you're currently observing doesn't actually exist in the form you're looking at it. It is simply the brain's interpretation or decoding of light and/or electro-magnetic waves and particles hitting your retina that presents to you the image of a screen.

Outside your brain, the screen doesn't exist in the form you're observing it. Same applies to every object you observe including your own body. But insofar as what you experience is REAL and SOLID to YOU, then it's an authentic experience. An authentic reality. All appearance of form is essentially illusion. In reality all that exists is Consciousness, and everything we 'see' is an imagination - a construct of our internal energy decoding mechanism.

ROSSIKE:

Insofar as the experience feels real and solid (even more so than THIS reality) then it is an actual experience.

As for the brain playing tricks on us - Isn't that what the brain is doing ALL the time? Even now as we type? The brain is only a receiver and processor of information. The screen you're currently observing doesn't actually exist in the form you're looking at it. It is simply the brain's interpretation or decoding of light and/or electro-magnetic waves and particles hitting your retina that presents to you the image of a screen.

Outside your brain, the screen doesn't exist in the form you're observing it. Same applies to every object you observe including your own body. But insofar as what you experience is REAL and SOLID to YOU, then it's an authentic experience. An authentic reality. All appearance of form is actually illusion. In reality all that exists is Consciousness, and everything we 'see' is an imagination.

"What is real? If real is what we can see,touch and feel, then "real" is just electrical signals interpreted by the brain" - Morpheus.

I get your point on the dynamic nature of reality. But you cannot ignore the fact the the battle between the our concious and sub concious minds can explain many OBE experiences.

The OBE phenomena is on the frontier between science and meta science (meta physics). Its just too unquantifyable to be real science.

....just my opinion though.

olu4life: Na wa for all of una o. IMO ooo,all this na witch dey do am. The one i've experienced is what we christians call TRANCE which is a gift from the Holy Spirit. Another one i know rarely happens to me is when i am seriously sick. My sensory becomes very sharp and i can hear thoughts all around me but not coming from those in the physical world. I so hate that moment

If there is a fourth dimension, it exists wether you believe it or not. I really dont agree with everything ROSSIKE is saying as much of the evidence is anecdotal. Still a rational person would consider the evidence.

Billyonaire: Kay17, you emphasized on this twice and it caught my attention. If we live in 4DWorld, then the parallel reality is the 5th, if I that is correct, do you think its possible to exist in this dimension but see things on the next dimension (say 5th dimension) while physically active (not via OBE ?)

The problem here is: the dimension you are talking is unknown and uncertain. We are actually talking about nothing and mysteries. What will the 5th dimension be about?? More lines? Diff character for space? We are not talking about anything.

Imagine the sensitivity of lies some devils are feeding people with on NL...

This is worrisome

@op

Not sure if someone has already pointed this out but according to String theory, we have 10 dimensions. But M theory has us at 11 dimensions.




***switches to smirnoff ice and dstv***

Billyonaire: No sir, I do not even smoke cigarette. I am clean.

Your talk on this thread is a little bit like what the late Fela would say when high on his weed.

Hmmm...

Billyonaire: Experience, like I said, is not a mere sensation. I can not sound a conviction on something I dont know about. I am not interested in whether you believe me or not, thats your business not mine. I am not alone in this experiences, I therefore think you are not well read when it comes to OBE. A simple google search on OBE will bring you so much information. I and may be other people happen to be able to initiate my OBE at will, but for many others it was an accident and they cant repeat. When I tell you that I experience being alive outside this physical body and seeing beyond 3D, I really mean it. How can you explain seeing through the walls, hearing thoughts of others, passing through walls, jetting into the deepest of space at lightening speed, going to place that are so real than even physical Earth and actually coming back with 'archived-like' knowledge that you cant find on books on Earth ? How ? Each time I open Advanced Physics books about energies and wave-particle paradox, Astronomy journals about space and the Universes (should I say Multiverses ? ), I seem to know everything already.

This is funny: ' I cannot sound a conviction on something I don't know about'. I'm not sure you are listening to yourself. Lolol. Then why contradicting yourself by sounding so convinced.
That aside.
Now this is going awkward. I don't like your introduction of a google search. That's an escape route I won't allow.
As I said earlier, you're yet to answer my question.
The question is not about believing you, how many people experience OBE, it is, how does OBE interprete the +4 dimensions? Is that too much to ask?

Reyginus: This is funny: ' I cannot sound a conviction on something I don't know about'. I'm not sure you are listening to yourself. Lolol. Then why contradicting yourself by sounding so convinced.
That aside.
Now this is going awkward. I don't like your introduction of a google search. That's an escape route I won't allow.
As I said earlier, you're yet to answer my question.
The question is not about believing you, how many people experience OBE, it is, how does OBE interprete the +4 dimensions? Is that too much to ask?

Dont take this personal cos am trying to drive home a point. I will chose to stay within the discourse since I have noticed other persons who have similar experiences here albeit accidental. Dimension is a mathematical expression of what physics calls Parallel Universes or Realities; Dimension is also mathematical expression for what religion calls the spirit world. You have your mathematics and you are equipped with the brain to contemplate on dimensions but basically I am here to tell you that the brain is limited in its capacity to wholly and fully decipher the world outside the physical realm. OBE happens to be the only way most scientist and even ordinary people tap into the realms you call dimensions and which religion calls spirit world and which physics calls parallel universe. Be humble in your assertions cos you are not an authority on the field, neither have you experienced or been in a world other than the physical. Thank you.

advocate666: @ op, how many sides of a sphere can you see at a time?

Haba! Sphere get 'sides' again? :|

maclatunji:

Your talk on this thread is a little bit like what the late Fela would say when high on his weed.

Dont insult Fela of blessed memory, I think the man knows much more than he is given credit for. That being said; No sir, I do not smoke weed, but may be I will try some this year to see what it feels like to be maclatunji

Kay 17:

The problem here is: the dimension you are talking is unknown and uncertain. We are actually talking about nothing and mysteries. What will the 5th dimension be about?? More lines? Diff character for space? We are not talking about anything.

Please always say that the dimension is unknown and uncertain to you. Cos Dimension is a mathematical nomenclature for what physics call parallel reality and what religion calls spirit world. I am not your English student so dont under rate my English registers.

This post appeared twice.

Billyonaire: Dont take this personal cos am trying to drive home a point. I will chose to stay within the discourse since I have noticed other persons who have similar experiences here albeit accidental. Dimension is a mathematical expression of what physics calls Parallel Universes or Realities; Dimension is also mathematical expression for what religion calls the spirit world. You have your mathematics and you are equipped with the brain to contemplate on dimensions but basically I am here to tell you that the brain is limited in its capacity to wholly and fully decipher the world outside the physical realm. OBE happens to be the only way most scientist and even ordinary people tap into the realms you call dimensions and which religion calls spirit world and which physics calls parallel universe. Be humble in your assertions cos you are not an authority on the field, neither have you experienced or been in a world other than the physical. Thank you.

Lol. I don't go personal with people. I only go personal with their claims.
By implication what you're saying is, OBE's cannot be explained logically, or you can't explain them logically. I think we have a problem. A thing which cannot be explained logically, cannot be placed in logical or intelligent works.
Let me shift the question a bit. Is it possible for anything which interacts logically to be outside the confines of logic? Except my inference on the implication is wrong. If you think it is, explain how, if not, let's focus on the above.

greaterlove:
We humans have really been limited by the things we see, i agree that there are more out there than what we can perceive with our senses. When we change the way we look at things then will the things we look at change. Billyonaire please i wont mind having your contacts.

Yes, you are perfectly right. The world is actually deeper than we know it. With the knowledge of the world comes a startling unlocking of wealth of opportunities. There is no earthly word to express it.

Billyonaire I like ur approach to this subject matter, don't know, can we have correspondence? I would like to learn from ur experiences, but, are u rosicrutian?

Reyginus: Lol. I don't personal with people. I only go personal with their claims.
By implication what you're saying is, OBE's cannot be explained logically, or you can't explain them logically. I think we have a problem. A thing which cannot be explained logically, cannot be placed in logical or intelligent works.
Let me shift the question a bit. Is it possible for anything which interacts logically to be outside the confines of logic? Except my inference on the implication is wrong. If you think it is, explain how, if not, let's focus on the above.

I have made several explanations on this thread and I did explain my first OBE and how I went about it. Truth remains that you need to first of all accept that 'Dimensions' in maths, is 'parallel reality' in physics and 'spirit world' in religion' when we agree that these three words in different human fields mean the same thing, then I can tell you where logic stops and why logic cant take any scientist further than where we are. I have gone past logic over 10 yrs ago.

ositadima1: Billyonaire I like ur approach to this subject matter, don't know, can we have correspondence? I would like to learn from ur experiences, but, are u rosicrutian?

Rosicrucian Order is a great organization, in my quest for the meaning of life and life after death, I attended a few seminars with Rosicrucian, I am seeker, I find truth where ever it can hide.

Reyginus, I think u are making a mistake here, logic is just a tool, invented to mimic reason.

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haw does these crap affect d price of garriumcyanide

Billyonaire: I have made several explanations on this thread and I did explain my first OBE and how I went about it. Truth remains that you need to first of all accept that 'Dimensions' in maths, is 'parallel reality' in physics and 'spirit world' in religion' when we agree that these three words in different human fields mean the same thing, then I can tell you where logic stops and why logic cant take any scientist further than where we are. I have gone past logic over 10 yrs ago.

Lololol. Obadiah777 in the making.
I also have a problem with this. Not really a problem as you'd expect, just a clarification before we go further.
Just to the point please.
What is the difference between dimensions in maths and physics?
Also, how does one go beyond logic?

Reyginus u may want to read this:
The conclusion is basically the following. Logic only
applies to statements, not to the real world. It deals
only with the validity of arguments, not with the
truth value of the premises of those arguments.
Reason (in the sense of "the power of
comprehending, inferring, or thinking especially in orderly rational ways" -- Merriam-Webster) cannot
establish the truth value of statements; Revelation
would be needed for that. Thus "Statements are
supposed, by us, to have truth values.": we
*believe* that a statement is true or false. And if
we believe that the logical conclusion of an argument whose premises we believe to be true
must be true, we believe that reality is logical --
that is, we believe the statement "reality is logical"
is true.

ositadima1: logic is just a tool, invented to mimic reason.

Lol. Young man before anything, how does a means to acquire anything, mimic what it is acquiring? To the point please.

ositadima1: Reyginus u may want to read this:
The conclusion is basically the following. Logic only
applies to statements, not to the real world. It deals
only with the validity of arguments, not with the
truth value of the premises of those arguments.
Reason (in the sense of "the power of
comprehending, inferring, or thinking especially in orderly rational ways" -- Merriam-Webster) cannot
establish the truth value of statements; Revelation
would be needed for that. Thus "Statements are
supposed, by us, to have truth values.": we
*believe* that a statement is true or false. And if
we believe that the logical conclusion of an argument whose premises we believe to be true
must be true, we believe that reality is logical --
that is, we believe the statement "reality is logical"
is true.

Your point?