Since Frosbel and co believe that when a sinner dies he remains in the grave and his soul does not go to hell until the final judgment that will take place after the coming of Christ and we believe that when a sinner dies his soul goes to hell, lets not continue to argue this matter endlessly rather pray God whose words are written in the scriptures to manifest those who are right and those who are wrong so that those who are wrong will not continue to deceive people. Let God put those who are wrong to shame here on nairaland and outside here and may their false messages crash in Jesus name. Amen.

Hell accordin 2 sm ppl is a place where God torments sinners 4eva..........let's take this illustratn...;;;,;There are 3 good friends who live in d same apartment..they r vry 9ice 2 eachother n they trust eachother but 1 day a visitor came stayd wif them 4 smtym,durin his stay in a 9t 1 of these 3 friends went inside d visitor's room n stole #50,000 4rm d visitor's bag....D followin mornin d visitor left wifout checkin his bag b/c he had trust in them wen he left d 1 dat stole d money gav each of d remain 2 #10,000 n they collectd after sm days d visitor cam back summond them n ask who stole d money d 2 innocent men sincerely admittd not 2 b d 1 whil d other dat stole d money denied.....so,d man sue 3 of them Nw in d court 3 of them r facin d judge/lawyer...d judge ask severally who stole d money later d 1 dat stole it admittd dat he's d 1....... this moment wat do u think d judge wuld do?? Is it not 2 punish d culprit n lock him in up prisonbut d judge askd him this'''after stealin d money did u giv some 2 ur brothers?n he said YES!nw d judge said '''since u gav sm 2 ur brothers they r d one 2 b punishd.....u go home but ur brothers wil b sent 2 life imprisonment wif hard labour''' Nw wuld u eva think d judge has any sign of justice n love in this case? The bible says @1john4:8'God is love' ,;Deu.32:4 n psalms37:28 declare God as a lover of justice.... Nw Do u think it's reasonable in our part 2 ever think dat God can toture his creature in fire 4eva Remember Adam n Eve were d first sinners, despite d fact dat they were perfect..they disobeyd n sinnd against God...there's NO place in d bible dat says they're being totured 4eva..if God allowed them 2 die wifout tormentin them 4eva despite dat they're d chief sinners...do u think he'll nw allow sinners 2day whom they passd imperfectn 2....2 b tormentd 4eva?? Of course NO!! Romans6:23 says d wages of sin is death....when 1 dies he/she has payed 4 his sins....but there's when sm1 sin against d holy spirit.................I wnt u 2 keep this @ d back of ur mind dat '''God does not and will never torment anybody in hellfire according 2 His word d BIBLE''' if u hav any questn or wuld like us 2 discuss more 4rm d bible message me.....

Wow, you are unable to refute any of the points raised in other threads, instead you run off to open another one , lol.

come back here please - https://www.nairaland.com/1145144/fight-against-lie/3

Ampeaceful: Hell accordin 2 sm ppl is a place where God torments sinners 4eva..........let's take this illustratn...;;;,;There are 3 good friends who live in d same apartment..they r vry 9ice 2 eachother n they trust eachother but 1 day a visitor came stayd wif them 4 smtym,durin his stay in a 9t 1 of these 3 friends went inside d visitor's room n stole #50,000 4rm d visitor's bag....D followin mornin d visitor left wifout checkin his bag b/c he had trust in them wen he left d 1 dat stole d money gav each of d remain 2 #10,000 n they collectd after sm days d visitor cam back summond them n ask who stole d money d 2 innocent men sincerely admittd not 2 b d 1 whil d other dat stole d money denied.....so,d man sue 3 of them Nw in d court 3 of them r facin d judge/lawyer...d judge ask severally who stole d money later d 1 dat stole it admittd dat he's d 1....... this moment wat do u think d judge wuld do?? Is it not 2 punish d culprit n lock him in up prisonbut d judge askd him this'''after stealin d money did u giv some 2 ur brothers?n he said YES!nw d judge said '''since u gav sm 2 ur brothers they r d one 2 b punishd.....u go home but ur brothers wil b sent 2 life imprisonment wif hard labour''' Nw wuld u eva think d judge has any sign of justice n love in this case? The bible says @1john4:8'God is love' ,;Deu.32:4 n psalms37:28 declare God as a lover of justice.... Nw Do u think it's reasonable in our part 2 ever think dat God can toture his creature in fire 4eva Remember Adam n Eve were d first sinners, despite d fact dat they were perfect..they disobeyd n sinnd against God...there's NO place in d bible dat says they're being totured 4eva..if God allowed them 2 die wifout tormentin them 4eva despite dat they're d chief sinners...do u think he'll nw allow sinners 2day whom they passd imperfectn 2....2 b tormentd 4eva?? Of course NO!! Romans6:23 says d wages of sin is death....when 1 dies he/she has payed 4 his sins....but there's when sm1 sin against d holy spirit.................I wnt u 2 keep this @ d back of ur mind dat '''God does not and will never torment anybody in hellfire according 2 His word d BIBLE''' if u hav any questn or wuld like us 2 discuss more 4rm d bible message me.....

Thank you Jare, for 4000 years prior to the coming of Christ, no one , not Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David or even King Solomon who was the wisest of kings , ever mentioned this place for endless torment of human beings.

Why ? Because they knew that the penalty of SIN was death , as ever so consistently stated from Genesis 3 to Revelations , nothing more, nothing less.

frosbel: Wow, you are unable to refute any of the points raised in other threads, instead you run off to open another one , lol.

come back here please - https://www.nairaland.com/1145144/fight-against-lie/3

I posted this same thing in that thread. If you are sure you are not teaching false then dont run away. If you shy away from this simple assignment that means you are teaching false. Come back here and stop runing for fear of the shame you ll suffer if you are wrong. Your runing away is not helping matters.

alexleo:

I posted this same thing in that thread. If you are sure you are not teaching false then dont run away. If you shy away from this simple assignment that means you are teaching false. Come back here and stop runing for fear of the shame you ll suffer if you are wrong. Your runing away is not helping matters.

sorry, am I missing something.

We have 2 threads dealing extensively on this subject , instead of working with us to iron out the details on this matter, you rush off to open another thread on the same topic

frosbel:

sorry, am I missing something.

We have 2 threads dealing extensively on this subject , instead of working with us to iron out the details on this matter, you rush off to open another thread on the same topic

You are still running away from the assignment. Go to that thread you are talking about and you ll still see the assignment.

alexleo:

I posted this same thing in that thread. If you are sure you are not teaching false then dont run away. If you shy away from this simple assignment that means you are teaching false. Come back here and stop runing for fear of the shame you ll suffer if you are wrong. Your runing away is not helping matters.

dont you think that God knows what and how to do his things? Are you now the one to tell him the next step of action?

It is obvious that you never really have the fear of God hence you teach what the bible does not support.

How else do you explain this presumptiouseness of yours here?

Do you think the hands of God is tied?

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Bidam: ok what about what apostle peter said: "By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire being kept for the day of judgement and destruction of ungodly men(2pet 3:7)..if u read the entire book of 2peter..u will agree with me(i don't have the resource to quote) that he is talking about the final judgement of ungodly men,blasphemers,slanderers,false prophets and consequently their final destruction..

the bible says that we should not be afraid of the person that can kill the Body But cannot kill the soul(life) but be afraid of him that can kill both the body and the soul(life) in fire.

that ^^^ is telling us that there is a difference between the regular death of mankind and a death resulting from the action of the almighty God that "can destroys both body and soul" = complete destruction or absolute destruction of body and soul, when it is done by God.

And this death that arises from the action of the almighty is = "fire"

1. so, in the bible a death that is cause by God is represented by the word "fire" this tells us that the death is not a regular death that has a hope of a resurrection like Adamic death, but rather, it is a death cause by the almighty God and there is no more hope since the death cause by the almighty God is absolute = both body and soul(life, no more hope of life for that person) and there is nobody in the whole univers that can rest, it back.

(note: in the instance of Adamic death, there is hope for "all" in the gave to come out:
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which
"all"
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, " and come out (John 5:28,29)

so, fire marks the difference between Adamic death that "all" can come out and the one by Yahweh that there is no coming back for such a person.

2. Then, wherever fire is used in the bible, it symbolises a death by God and that death is absolute, complete, no one can restore back life to that person.

3. So then, a death by fire in the bible shows that this death is not an Adamic death.

4. Therefor, death by fire is the means in which the bible diferentiate Adamic death and a destruction by God.

5. Figuratively, fire in the bible is used to signify a permanent rejection or abhorance by God to any person, thing, or place, even organization.

6. The use of the word Fire = a never to returned, repeated event, incident, or conditions.

Peace.

alexleo:

You are still running away from the assignment. Go to that thread you are talking about and you ll still see the assignment.

it is obvious you have ran out of bible passages and bible messages to dish out.

But we want people to learn/study their bible.

truthislight:

it is obvious you have ran out of bible passages and bible messages to dish out.

But we want people to learn/study their bible.

My friend stop shying away. We ve argued exensively about this issue in a thread that mr Anonny opened and we are through with arguments. When Elijah was through with long arguments he refered the matter to God for him to decide who is wrong and right and thats what am doing. If you are sure that your teaching about this issue is true then stop shying away. Here is my prayer below -


Oh God if our teaching of eternal torment for sinners is wrong and if our teaching that when a sinner dies his soul goes to hell for torment as recorded in the story of Lazarus and the rich man in the scripture is wrong, pls put us to shame in this nairaland and in the world at large and may this teaching crash, in Jesus name, amen. If the teaching of frosbel and co on this issue is right pls prosper their teaching in Jesus name, amen. If the teaching of frosbel and co on this issue is wrong pls put them to shame here in nairaland and in the world at large and may this teaching crash, in Jesus name, amen.

alexleo:

You are still running away from the assignment. Go to that thread you are talking about and you ll still see the assignment.

Is there any particular reason you cannot back up your stance on this Hell issue or refute points raised from the scriptures?