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A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by solid3(m): 5:22pm On Jan 01, 2013
Happy New Year peep.

In d past year, we all have witnessed how ridiculous amount charged by non professionals and newbies have had negative impact on us the professionals and the Website Design & Development Profession.

Personally on several occassions, I have been seen as a person who charge exorbitantly or "just to expensive" with clients siting exampls of other website designer who charge just 10-25k for a website (but we all know what they get at d end-frustration). This actually made me loose some jobs or in some cases, I've had to just consider and do jobs at give away price. But on a particular occassion, I literally walked away due to the clients manner of approach.

If we intend to have good stories to tell at the end of 2013, then, we all must agree to charge a basic/standard fee of not less than 50k for a 5 page website. Cos if we charge less, how much will your service charge be? I charge 20k for yearly hosting and domain name.

I believe we want to live above average life. Lemme hold it here for now.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by yawatide(f): 6:05pm On Jan 01, 2013
Where is the "like" button when you need it? cool

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by databoy247(m): 11:50pm On Jan 01, 2013
*solid*:
Happy New Year peep.

In d past year, we all have witnessed how ridiculous amount charged by non professionals and newbies have had negative impact on us the professionals and the Website Design & Development Profession.

Personally on several occassions, I have been seen as a person who charge exorbitantly or "just to expensive" with clients siting exampls of other website designer who charge just 10-25k for a website (but we all know what they get at d end-frustration). This actually made me loose some jobs or in some cases, I've had to just consider and do jobs at give away price. But on a particular occassion, I literally walked away due to the clients manner of approach.

If we intend to have good stories to tell at the end of 2013, then, we all must agree to charge a basic/standard fee of not less than 50k for a 5 page website. Cos if we charge less, how much will your service charge be? I charge 20k for yearly hosting and domain name.

I believe we want to live above average life. Lemme hold it here for now.
I totally agree with you. But its gonna be difficult to implement.
Suggestion? Like i said in some post last two years, We need to set up a registered association, and compel all web developers to register with said association. This association or union is gonna serve as a regulatory body for web developers providing a fixed "minimum" charge for jobs. The general public is going to be aware of it. SO if you give your job to non-registered developer, na u sabi.

Its gonna promote professionalism and give web developers their long due respect in the society. Atleast street barbers do have a union how much more web developers.

My 2 cents.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by adewaleh(m): 12:23am On Jan 02, 2013
coolI've been thinking about it.. i think there should be a fixed price for a website, that is when we can grow and learn other means of promoting our services and introducing new ideas..
I support the Ban
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by funkymedina: 12:54am On Jan 02, 2013
Abegi,..stop whinning, instead of trying to form union why not adapt. Abroad there are various prices for various types of site! If your good at what you do your work will stand out but Wordpress and joomla are here to stay and there is nothing you can do about it. some sites you suffer hand coding are no different from some templates i see and atimes the templates are even better. You are like IBM of old rigid in your old school ways .. With CMS prices have dropped and will continue to drop once people figure out they can do it themselves. Change ur proffession or offer some mainatance or watever for free as part of ur package.
If everyone thought like you, computers will still fill up three rooms running on 4MB memory! tongue

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by talk2D: 6:08am On Jan 02, 2013
What position are you to ban? Nl moderator
Do ur best and leave the rest.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by solid3(m): 8:23am On Jan 02, 2013
funky medina: Abegi,..stop whinning, instead of trying to form union why not adapt. Abroad there are various prices for various types of site! If your good at what you do your work will stand out but Wordpress and joomla are here to stay and there is nothing you can do about it. some sites you suffer hand coding are no different from some templates i see and atimes the templates are even better. You are like IBM of old rigid in your old school ways .. With CMS prices have dropped and will continue to drop once people figure out they can do it themselves. Change ur proffession or offer some mainatance or watever for free as part of ur package.
If everyone thought like you, computers will still fill up three rooms running on 4MB memory! tongue

Well said, so how much wld you charge a client for,
1. Yearly hosting and domain name?
2. How much wld you charge for design (in ur own case copy and paste) of each page?
3. How much wld you charge if you have to develop content for each page?
4. How much wld you charge if u need extra widgets and plugins?
5. How much wld you charge if they have no logo?
6. How much wld you spend on internet connectivity?
7. How much wld you charge for logistics?

Besides, a person who can not do more than wordpress and joomla is only an administrator and not a website designer or web developer. Cos in the real sense, you have not designed anything, only cut and paste.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by funkymedina: 10:29am On Jan 02, 2013
*solid*:


Well said, so how much wld you charge a client for,
1. Yearly hosting and domain name?
2. How much wld you charge for design (in ur own case copy and paste) of each page?
3. How much wld you charge if you have to develop content for each page?
4. How much wld you charge if u need extra widgets and plugins?
5. How much wld you charge if they have no logo?
6. How much wld you spend on internet connectivity?
7. How much wld you charge for logistics?

Besides, a person who can not do more than wordpress and joomla is only an administrator and not a website designer or web developer. Cos in the real sense, you have not designed anything, only cut and paste.


Thats what I want you to know, cut and paste as you call it is here to stay with beautiful results in many cases. The question is , what can you offer differently that will blow ur clients mind away from cut & paste? When you answer that question , market it !!
-So they charge people to register domain name? I guess in nigeria , if not why cant the person go straight to go daddy and register it
-You are to produce content for the client?? Na wa oo, that is major writting work and i doubt there is anyone charging 10 for website creation plus good quality contect for 10k!!!

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by mrkels(m): 2:54pm On Jan 02, 2013
Theres this indian coder i met on one forum that creates breadth taking state of the art websites for far less than what you are talking about ...
Get off your high horses jare...
You even calling yourself "professionals"
I wonder how you became one.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by soloqy: 6:16pm On Jan 02, 2013
adewaleh: coolI've been thinking about it.. i think there should be a fixed price for a website,
I support the Ban

Thats nonsense. Why would there be a fixed price for website? Its not one size fits all. There are different types of sites.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by soloqy: 6:23pm On Jan 02, 2013
databoy247:
I totally agree with you. But its gonna be difficult to implement.
Suggestion? Like i said in some post last two years, We need to set up a registered association, and compel all web developers to register with said association. This association or union is gonna serve as a regulatory body for web developers providing a fixed "minimum" charge for jobs. The general public is going to be aware of it. SO if you give your job to non-registered developer, na u sabi.

Its gonna promote professionalism and give web developers their long due respect in the society. Atleast street barbers do have a union how much more web developers.

My 2 cents.

A union is a totally bad idea. Your creativity will speak for you. When you group creative web designers and graphic artists together with *CMS installers* and web enthusiasts, who dont have a clue, you would be limiting and choking the creative ones. I bet you that some silly rules would start coming into play(sponsored by the aesthetically challenged ones of course) that will further decrease the quality of work coming out from this country rather than making it better.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by soloqy: 6:44pm On Jan 02, 2013
funky medina: Thats what I want you to know, cut and paste as you call it is here to stay with beautiful results in many cases.

A lot of Companies and businesses know about this cut and paste and CMS thing but they have realized that its not ideal to go that route if they want to be unique and have a site that they can understand. Hence they enlist the help of professionals that can actually beat those CMSs into shape to work and function as the company expects. Reputable companies and businesses would not get a website that has the same template/cmstheme as 10 million others on the internet so they would get professionals to design an interface that is unique and that can work with the CMS and they will pay the appropriate fees for them. We are not talking of just web enthusiasts or hobbyists or blogs sites. Talking of serious businesses.

So they charge people to register domain name? I guess in nigeria , if not why cant the person go straight to go daddy and register it

Most times it comes as a package. Nothing stops you from registering your domain yourself.


-You are to produce content for the client?? Na wa oo, that is major writing work.

A web professional can get a job that includes providing content for the website. People abroad actually make money from web content writing alone. Web designing is not just about copying a client's profile and pasting it in joomla or wordpress. When a client doesnt have a profile, or the one they have is very plain, they may decide to include content writing in the contract(Which the professional would reflect in the bill).



And i doubt there is anyone charging 10k for website creation plus good quality content for 10k!!!

Was that not the crux of the matter for this thread?

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by adewaleh(m): 9:30pm On Jan 02, 2013
soloqy:

Thats nonsense. Why would there be a fixed price for website? Its not one size fits all. There are different types of sites.
Yeah,,, there are different Type of web page and different type of websites.. also there are different type of people you create website for.. i can do website for free if you are going to pay for domain name/hosting, however, there are some web hosting provider that offers free domain name registration, Just do what is best that can make you grow....

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by rastle(m): 7:04am On Jan 03, 2013
In the southwestern part of Nigeria, I always notice the passion on forming an association or enforcing people to be a memberof a particular group,however,in other parts of Nigeria(north especially) you don't have biz with your competitors,do what you can do and charge whatever you feel is profitable for you,it is left for you to convince your client on why you are to charge "how much".it may interest you to know that it is practically impossible to have a unique price for such biz, so let's end d argument.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by 53cur3m0d3(m): 7:34am On Jan 03, 2013
I'm really enjoying this discussion, the simple truth is; "no matter how much U charge, know Ur Onions".

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by funkymedina: 10:40am On Jan 03, 2013
I agree, know ur onions !! the price of everything is coming down as technoloy increases. Only in rare cases is there a need to begin coding a site from scratch in 2013, get a template and add ur magic to it,apply ur ginuius bang in out in two days and move on ! U call it cut & past, i liken it to the convinience of an iphone over the suffings involved with nokia 3330. Move with the times!QED!

Writting quality content is a different ball game and i doubt a web designer/developer is the best person to sit down and write articles..unless we are talking of getting fake plr and copying and pasting in a site tongue

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by greenmouse(m): 11:20am On Jan 03, 2013
I totally agree with you @solid.

Now its time to make money bc we are already set to deliver any type of project - www.greenmousetech.com
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by soloqy: 12:36pm On Jan 03, 2013
@funky medina

Gtbank website and a host of other Big multinationals are based on open source CMS like joomla but I hope you are aware that there is nothing like "cut and paste" in those designs and the result?
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by AFOLSNETWORKS(m): 12:46pm On Jan 03, 2013
Happy new yr webmasters.

Here is my own take on the subject matter;

First, we all (webmasters) need to raise our heads up to see and know that the world is now revolving around ICT of which we play a major role. Internet users both locally and int'lly is growing by the day, we have millions of Nigerians and d global community visiting websites we have created daily. Suffice to say that Website Designers now offer what can be called Essential Services to the world.

Now, the question is, should we be at the lower rung of the society courtesy undercharging clients, thereby making them place less value on our work and their website?

Just because some people are interlectually lazy to learn coding and therfore steal templates coded by others and simply copy and paste should not deter us from having a kind of minimum price for 5page website. As well those who do copy and paste are only Web Administrator or better still Copy&PasteMasters. grin

Just recently, a big ICT company in Lagos sent us an email, seeking to partner with us by outsourcing Website Design Job with their price a little less than 50k per less than 10page websites, while still they take care of Webmail and Hosting, no content writing, no dynamic feature, just HTML/CSS littel or no Java Script, how much do u think they must have charged clients? If u ar not a coder, u cant do an outsource job, cos u ar not goin to handle hosting and u can only work online. How do u zip ur mock up work and send for inspection?

Its high time we refused to put ourselves at the background of the society whilest we offer essential service.

At AfolsNetworks, we are coders. www.afolsnetworks.com wink

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by DualCore1: 2:26pm On Jan 03, 2013
Leave sentiments, build yourself and face the international freelancing market. Give a price and live up to your pricing (defend your price with your prowess), be competitive and shun greed.

If you're good, you're good.

5-Page website.....what is that?
Year check: 2013 angry

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by kaboninc(m): 2:27pm On Jan 03, 2013
databoy247:
I totally agree with you. But its gonna be difficult to implement.
Suggestion? Like i said in some post last two years, We need to set up a registered association, and compel all web developers to register with said association. This association or union is gonna serve as a regulatory body for web developers providing a fixed "minimum" charge for jobs. The general public is going to be aware of it. SO if you give your job to non-registered developer, na u sabi.

Its gonna promote professionalism and give web developers their long due respect in the society. Atleast street barbers do have a union how much more web developers.

My 2 cents.

But why is that here in Nigeria we form any kind of association? Tomorrow you'll find 'beggars association of Nigeria'. This union thing sef.....I believe its killing us. I mean the way and manner its set up.
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by soloqy: 2:31pm On Jan 03, 2013
kaboninc:

But why is that here in Nigeria we form any kind of association? Tomorrow you'll find 'beggars association of Nigeria'. This union thing sef.....I believe its killing us. I mean the way and manner its set up.

Lol, my sentiments exactly. Its a bad idea, really..

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Nobody: 2:34pm On Jan 03, 2013
This is the reason I refused to be a pro web designer. Quacks everywhere that charge next to nothing.
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Gabrielsylar(m): 2:35pm On Jan 03, 2013
Let's recommend capital punishment for them....DEATH PENALTY SENATE WILL PUNISH THEM BY MAKING DEM write codes for 200 hours non stop till they die
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 2:36pm On Jan 03, 2013
It seems the n00bs and quacks are well versed in the art of self-marketing, they have business cards, they go to church every other day (meet the ogas when they are more vulnerable) they paint their job and phone numbers on 3rd Mainland Bridge (yes people actually call them)

But the Pros have fancy corporate sites and phone numbers with a portfolio.. zero marketing (self or otherwise).. very few pros spread awareness on Web Standards and Innovations... f'course the n00bs and quacks can say, hey leave those big boys with their big prices, we can give you better for less grin

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by emmatok(m): 2:38pm On Jan 03, 2013
*solid*:
Happy New Year peep.

In d past year, we all have witnessed how ridiculous amount charged by non professionals and newbies have had negative impact on us the professionals and the Website Design & Development Profession.

Personally on several occassions, I have been seen as a person who charge exorbitantly or "just to expensive" with clients siting exampls of other website designer who charge just 10-25k for a website (but we all know what they get at d end-frustration). This actually made me loose some jobs or in some cases, I've had to just consider and do jobs at give away price. But on a particular occassion, I literally walked away due to the clients manner of approach.

If we intend to have good stories to tell at the end of 2013, then, we all must agree to charge a basic/standard fee of not less than 50k for a 5 page website. Cos if we charge less, how much will your service charge be? I charge 20k for yearly hosting and domain name.

I believe we want to live above average life. Lemme hold it here for now.

Abegi stop these nonsense.
I designed my personal site using GNBO template with .ng registration at 1500K per year.
You can't control people carrier with your dirty schemes.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Fhemmmy: 2:41pm On Jan 03, 2013
Nice one, but the webmasters too needs to find a better way to market themselves, they need to build a nice portfolio and be able o deliver what they promise, as well as make sure they have good customer service, cos these are few of what making them to lose jobs and not just cos of low charges by newbies.
Also, would it be possible to team up with those "newbies" so as to learn the ropes the right way from the experienced
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by ProGSM(m): 2:43pm On Jan 03, 2013
You guys are joking. There is no place in the world where people have a fixed price for any IT related products.

Check fiverr.com and see that even the job you pay heavily to get is offered for $5.

@ Poster be wise and matured in thinking. Think like an ICT professional.

Cheers!

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by israel007: 2:44pm On Jan 03, 2013
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENSIVE!
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Basic(m): 2:44pm On Jan 03, 2013
While I understand how painful it is when some of your colleagues lowball their charges, I don't think having a registered body and setting a minimum charge will solve the problem.
This is Nigeria. Even after forming a body and setting a minimum charge, some of your members will still accept ridiculously cheap offers in secret.
My advice to you is that you target international clients rather than Nigerians who won't pay you your worth.
Being a freelance writer, I've almost always worked for American and Canadian clients because they pay your worth. A Nigerian guy once contacted me, offering to pay N100 for a 500 word article. Imagine that. When I charge some of my clients as high as $40 (N6000) for an article, and they pay readily and gladly.
Once again, if you want to really make money, go global. If your services are really of high quality and you know your stuff, you'll soar high, financially. Many individuals and businesses outside Nigeria need people like you, and they're ready to pay you well.
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Ycbgroup: 2:47pm On Jan 03, 2013
My own question goes thus:
What make you a professional web developer?
How often do the so called pro web developer update themselves?
I guess webhosting sites or company also need to have association so as to have minimum charge.
Association or not what matter when it comes to any business, it your bargaining power, customer service and goodwill.
Thanks

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