Rotational presidency in relation to quota system:
The North wants quota system in everything (education, employment, political appointments, etc) to enable their subset catch up with the south
The East (and South South) want rotational presidency to enable all zones participate equally in leadership at the presidential level.

Do you support quota system but not rotational presidency? If so why?
Do you support rotational presidency but not quota system? If so why?

they are both concepts of "equal opportunity". when you talk of equal opportunity in a society you are admitting there is a superior and inferior relationship, an imbalance of sort. when opportunity to participate is unevenly distributed then certainly some will be "discriminately" gated out.

discrimination is natural and physiologically is part of the survival kit in human gene. life is fair, it is never equal. equality can never be achieved in a country as ours, each part or people will always have and exercise their superiority or comparative advantage in the econo-socio-political landscape.

Dudu_Negro: they are both concepts of "equal opportunity". when you talk of equal opportunity in a society you are admitting there is a superior and inferior relationship, an imbalance of sort. when opportunity to participate is unevenly distributed then certainly some will be "discriminately" gated out.

discrimination is natural and physiologically is part of the survival kit in human gene. life is fair, it is never equal. equality can never be achieved in a country as ours, each part or people will always have and exercise their superiority or comparative advantage in the econo-socio-political landscape.

Do you support both or one?

neither my friend. it continues to be an issue because we remain together. i advocate and support splitting nigeria so we are no longrr distressed by the pains of marginalisation.

Dudu_Negro: neither my friend. it continues to be an issue because we remain together. i advocate and support splitting nigeria so we are no longrr distressed by the pains of marginalisation.

If you split the country, are you guaranteed that subsets of groups in the different countries that will emerge from the carcass of Nigeria will not ask for rotational presidency and quota system?

Anyways, the aim of this thread is not to advocate splitting of the country but to find out why people who seem to be at home with quota system are not so with rotational presidency.

you dont need rotation president..
we go back to 3 country that we were.. and the queen as head of state.. that is it..
look go and ask dangote or dantata, they own business in the western niger before the white people left.. they had no problem.. Ojukwu father own many business in the north and west even an hotel. that is what ojukwu gave his daughter in his will...

I support the quota system. . . na our level be dat o!
Perhaps in another life. . .when Africans have been gifted with democratically-inclined brains.
QUOTA systems work well with ETHNIC AND RELIGIOUS bigots. . . of the Black race!
Simply put?

NOT YET UHURU!
Time for work!
GOD BLESS MY DARLING AMERICA JARE!!!!
The land of real humans. . . not animals in human skin!

musiwa11: you dont need rotation president..
we go back to 3 country that we were.. and the queen as head of state.. that is it..
look go and ask dangote or dantata, they own business in the western niger before the white people left.. they had no problem.. Ojukwu father own many business in the north and west even an hotel. that is what ojukwu gave his daughter in his will...

From your response, I gather you do not support rotational presidency. How about quota system?

Jellita: I support the quota system. . . na our level be dat o!
Perhaps in another life. . .when Africans have been gifted with democratically-inclined brains.
QUOTA systems work well with ETHNIC AND RELIGIOUS bigots. . . of the Black race!
Simply put?

NOT YET UHURU!
Time for work!
GOD BLESS MY DARLING AMERICA JARE!!!!
The land of real humans. . . not animals in human skin!

How about rotational presidency? Common Almondjoy, don't tell me you did not understand the question.

I hate quota system and rotational presidency with a passion. The only way we can get rid of these archaic practice is to go back to regionalism where every region will be responsible for it's citizen, then they can run their regions the way they want.

afam4eva: I hate quota system and rotational presidency with a passion. The only way we can get rid of these archaic practice is to go back to regionalism where every region will be responsible for it's citizen, then they can run their regions the way they want.

Even if regionalism averts quota system at the national level, I do not see how it solves the question of rotational presidency. Each region will still want to have a go at ASO Rock.

docokwy:

Even if regionalism averts quota system at the national level, I do not see how it solves the question of rotational presidency. Each region will still want to have a go at ASO Rock.

When regionalism is introduced, the center will become less powerful and unattractive. People will fight to become their various regional heads than become the president.

there is nothing like quota system if you already made the queen the head of state.. figure head.. each of the nation rules itself.. that was how it was before.. you can go and ask dangote or dantata. their families own business in the west before independent.. this was the agreement in the first place.

it does not affect anybody business.. there is globacom in ghana.. in benin, in togo etc.

look the tribune or new nigeria were circulating in the north and the west before independent.. even in the east before independent, go and ask.. it does not affect any media house.. HID awolowo is old any of you can go and ask her .. they were circulating in the north and east..

ABC BANK own by the east was in lagos before independent.

so the fear by some of lossing their business is nonsense..

afam4eva:
When regionalism is introduced, the center will become less powerful and unattractive. People will fight to become their various regional heads than become the president.

Are you really sure? Was that what happened during the time of Zik, Awo and Sarduana when we had regionalism?

docokwy:

Are you really sure? Was that what happened during the time of Zik, Awo and Sarduana when we had regionalism?

Then the center wasn't attractive. These men you listed became popular from being the premier in their region. Regionalism renders the center almost redundant. As long as the owners of the land can manage their resources by themselves, they won't care who's at the center. Rotational presidency came up due to the fact that some people think they're been shortchanged by the center. So, they clamor for someone from their place to become the president so that he will bring development to them. So, with regionalism, that will be covered.

afam4eva:
Then the center wasn't attractive. These men you listed became popular from being the premier in their region. Regionalism renders the center almost redundant. As long as the owners of the land can manage their resources by themselves, they won't care who's at the center. Rotational presidency came up due to the fact that some people think they're been shortchanged by the center. So, they clamor for someone from their place to become the president so that he will bring development to them. So, with regionalism, that will be covered.

I agree this is possible as long as we have 100% resource control and contribution of a token by each region to the federal purse for national security.
But 100% resource control in Nigeria of today? It's like walking on water's surface.

naturally we are africans and culturally ethnic, the fact that we speak english does not in any way make us english people.

we are yoruba, igbo, hausa and many other people here. in my own yoruba culture, we are a commonwealth made of different land (ijeshaland, ijebuland, egbaland, aworiland, igbiraland and so on) each people have their own authority centered at the top by an oba. the egba does not go wanting to be oba over ijebu or awori, and the ijebu does not agitate to be an oba over ijesha or igbira. the traditional structure had its checks and balances to ensure fairness across the commonwealth. when an oyo start messing with the affairs in ekiti or egba or ilorin, then he invites trouble and confrontation.

recently acn was shut out of ondo with the help of afenifere group standing by mimiko. the same afenifere is the one behind "dawn" and regional integration for all yorubaland. they support unity on the land but by same token respect diversity in politics. there is no talk of equal opportunity here, there is no superior, inferior relationship.....you deal with what life gives you. the sooner we go back to our ways the better for our overall progress and growth.

the concept of equal opportunity is a hindrance on society here. it works for english people and white people because their nature is flawed in the belief that they are superior to every other race. it will not work for us.

docokwy:

I agree this is possible as long as we have 100% resource control and contribution of a token by each region to the federal purse for national security.
But 100% resource control in Nigeria of today? It's like walking on water's surface.

That's where the problem lie and i don't see the government allowing states to control their resources not to talk of creating regions.

Dudu_Negro: naturally we are africans and culturally ethnic, the fact that we speak english does not in any way make us english people.

we are yoruba, igbo, hausa and many other people here. in my own yoruba culture, we are a commonwealth made of different land (ijeshaland, ijebuland, egbaland, aworiland, igbiraland and so on) each people have their own authority centered at the top by an oba. the egba does not go wanting to be oba over ijebu or awori, and the ijebu does not agitate to be an oba over ijesha or igbira. the traditional structure had its checks and balances to ensure fairness across the commonwealth. when an oyo start messing with the affairs in ekiti or egba or ilorin, then he invites trouble and confrontation.

recently acn was shut out of ondo with the help of afenifere group standing by mimiko. the same afenifere is the one behind "dawn" and regional integration for all yorubaland. they support unity on the land but by same token respect diversity in politics. there is no talk of equal opportunity here, there is no superior, inferior relationship.....you deal with what life gives you. the sooner we go back to our ways the better for our overall progress and growth.

the concept of equal opportunity is a hindrance on society here. it works for english people and white people because their nature is flawed in the belief that they are superior to every other race. it will not work for us.

But I have read where people from Ondo complain of the domination of Yoruba politics by the Egba and Ijebu. Same for Anambra in Igboland, and most likely Ijaw in SS. This means that at splitting, different subgroups of Nigeria will carry on with cries of marginalization against those dominating within their regions.

thats exactly my point!!

in the pursuit of equal opportunity the social fabric of cooperative alliance and unity is being damaged. equal opportunity is saying there is someone at top and there is someone on bottom and the person on top must swap position with the one on bottom ...or in the alternative, must slow down his pace of progress so the slow person at bottom can catch up and the two are side by side but neither is ahead of the other. that idea goes against the flow of nature and humanity.

humanity is about respect and fairness, not about equality. none of us is created equal. why are we trying to force equity?

Dudu_Negro: thats exactly my point!!

in the pursuit of equal opportunity the social fabric of cooperative alliance and unity is being damaged. equal opportunity is saying there is someone at top and there is someone on bottom and the person on top must swap position with the one on bottom ...or in the alternative, must slow down his pace of progress so the slow person at bottom can catch up and the two are side by side but neither is ahead of the other. that idea goes against the flow of nature and humanity.

humanity is about respect and fairness, not about equality. none of us is created equal. why are we trying to force equity?

We are definitely on the same page. I abhor both quota system and rotational presidency. But in Nigeria it is apparent that some groups like quota system but hate rotational presidency and vice versa. I am not sure what they drive at in doing so.

what I am saying is that we become part of the Commonwealth realms, the queen of england will be the head of state.. there are 16 countries where the queen is head of state.. we increase to 19


what it mean is that

The north
Western Niger
east

will have their own sovereignty and still be part of the united nation.. United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Papua New Guinea, New Zealand, and Jamaica etc

over 70% of nigeria do not want goodluck back.. wake up.. nigeria will end up in civil war or they will overthrow the govt.

docokwy:

We are definitely on the same page. I abhor both quota system and rotational presidency. But in Nigeria it is apparent that some groups like quota system but hate rotational presidency and vice versa. I am not sure what they drive at in doing so.

i dont know that i can answer it totally but.....

let us start by introspecting on the creation of man and his subsistence on land. land is everything life is, land is a deity. we all talk about our different lands - yorubaland, igboland, hausaland......its all relative! if rain ceases to fall in these lands we all will be forced to abandon it and move away to another land.. if rain falls incessantly without stop the land is flooded and we will abandon it. if we plant corn but got yam, we plant okro and got yam, we plant cocoa and got yam.....every seed and herb we plant the land bring out yam, we will soon abandon it and move out. if the harmattan wind blows continously and does not cease all the crops will dry before they are ripe for harvest and no nutrition to feed us, we will abandon land.

we are sorrounded by abundance. the abundance of land is what compels a man to call himself superior. our superiority is variably intimate to the abundance that sorround us. put another way, our quality of life and worth takes its enrichment from the substance of the native land.

there is misunderstanding when the hausas say they want the quota system. the north is very conservative. if the northern and southern nigeria had remained separate protectorates uptil independence i assure you that the lingua franca in north will be hausa, followed by arabic; they would have dropped english language long ago. while the southerners adapted quickly to the english administrative style and order, the northerners saw it as a conflict and an intimidating structure to their ethnicity. the fear that their way of life was about to be altered called for having an eye in all the affairs of government, someone to voice agreement or their opposition on any issue. the 66 coup helped to supplant them as a permanent power. their reluctance to share that power is fed by fear of what the other groups might do when in the position.

they want a two way government, one shielded behind the curtains of sharia and strictly for preservation, others are locked out; and a second one thats open and does not discriminate or lock hausas out.

pick the president on merit and he picks his deputy from the minority (another group)

kunle what baselines should the merit be measured against? we have no benchmark or track record of anyone president who truly met the measure of a good leader. i want to say gowon, except he became too possesive in the latter years of his regime. murtala was a sardauna in uniform. buhari is stainless! ...but not long enough tenure to get a broadview of his challenges.

if we can have the buhari of that time and age, with an equally no nonsense deputy like idiagbon, it will be a dynamic duo that can at least restore some glory.

in todays horizon, fashola is the best on merit but he is too liberal. if you put fashola there, pretty soon we will be having gay clubs and casinos and cougar joints all over nigeria. he will be trying to make nigeria an america.

again, lets splut this dayam country and forget about all these equal opportunity nonsense.

Nigeria does not need a president.. in the first instead..

docokwy:

How about rotational presidency? Common Almondjoy, don't tell me you did not understand the question.

What is the damn difference btw rotational presidency and QUOTA SYSTEM?
IS ROTATIONAL PRESIDENCY NOT BASED ON QUOTAS?
Both are based on 'ignorance and stoopidity' FOR AFRICANS not democracy as practiced in the civilized world anyhoo.
Your question is well understood sir.
NO DIFFERENCE!

afam4eva: I hate quota system and rotational presidency with a passion. The only way we can get rid of these archaic practice is to go back to regionalism where every region will be responsible for it's citizen, then they can run their regions the way they want.

Well its too late now, thanks to Ironsi and the 1966 coup plotters.

Dudu_Negro: kunle what baselines should the merit be measured against? we have no benchmark or track record of anyone president who truly met the measure of a good leader. i want to say gowon, except he became too possesive in the latter years of his regime. murtala was a sardauna in uniform. buhari is stainless! ...but not long enough tenure to get a broadview of his challenges.

if we can have the buhari of that time and age, with an equally no nonsense deputy like idiagbon, it will be a dynamic duo that can at least restore some glory.

in todays horizon, fashola is the best on merit but he is too liberal. if you put fashola there, pretty soon we will be having gay clubs and casinos and cougar joints all over nigeria. he will be trying to make nigeria an america.

again, lets splut this dayam country and forget about all these equal opportunity nonsense.

its better you have buhari and fashola.
Buhari can do the honorable things and protection so fasola has nothing to fear.

rotational system is shifting the problem and not democratic enough to create a democratic nation.
quota system would put nonentities in place of authority

quota system is not good in Everything in nigeria