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Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by Nobody: 2:29am On Jan 12, 2013
Condemning the recent comment made by former President Olusegun Obasanjo, criticizing President Goodluck Jonathan’s approach on Boko Haram, a security consultant has blamed the former president for the development of the fundamentalist group.

Max Gbanite, a strategic security consultant, claimed that allowing the implementation of Sharia Law in some parts of the north during the Mr Obasanjo regime, led to the development of Islamic sect that are now staging insurgency against the Nigerian government.

The security expert made the allegation on Channels Television’s breakfast programme, Sunrise Daily, where he alleged that “he (Obasanjo) allowed Sharia to take effect because of an alleged unholy alliance between the then Governor of Zamfara state, because they did not want the then National Security Adviser (NSA) to have a role in government, therefore he called a political Sharia.”

The political Sharia, he claimed moved to Borno state, which is now the home ground of the Islamic sect.

He blamed the emergence of Boko Haram on what the administration of Mr Obasanjo failed to do, saying that “Boko Haram is a new phenomenon that wouldn’t have degenerated to the level we have it, if Obasanjo in his eight years in power, did what was fundamentally right in promotion of democracy.”

Insisting that he is not President Jonathan’s ‘fighting dog or attack crocodile’, Mr Gbanite decried the former President’s mannerism of going on an international media to lampoon the current Head of State.

According to him, Mr Obasanjo’s statement of stick and carrot approach on Boko Haram indicates that President Jonathan is failing in addressing the nation’s security challenges and this is not right for a former president.

He likened the former president’s attitude to former military head of State, General Muhammadu Buhari, saying that “the simplicity of the elder statesmen is rascality.”

He enjoined them to take a cue from other elder state men, who are as well bothered about the challenges bedeviling the nation but will resort to talking to the President in person.

Mr Gbanite, however called on President Jonathan to invoke the amnesty deal for the Boko Haram insurgents, as a way to quickly and peacefully quell the unrelenting insurgency.

Source: http://www.channelstv.com/home/2013/01/10/obasanjo-created-boko-haram-gbanite/

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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by Nobody: 4:04am On Jan 12, 2013
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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by Nobody: 6:04am On Jan 12, 2013
CFCfan:

He blamed the emergence of Boko Haram on what the administration of Mr Obasanjo failed to do, saying that “Boko Haram is a new phenomenon that wouldn’t have degenerated to the level we have it, if Obasanjo in his eight years in power, did what was fundamentally right in promotion of democracy.”
Insisting that he is not President Jonathan’s ‘fighting dog or attack crocodile’, Mr Gbanite decried the former President’s mannerism of going on an international media to lampoon the current Head of State.
According to him, Mr Obasanjo’s statement of stick and carrot approach on Boko Haram indicates that President Jonathan is failing in addressing the nation’s security challenges and this is not right for a former president.
He likened the former president’s attitude to former military head of State, General Muhammadu Buhari, saying that “the simplicity of the elder statesmen is rascality.”
He enjoined them to take a cue from other elder state men, who are as well bothered about the challenges bedeviling the nation but will resort to talking to the President in person.
Mr Gbanite, however called on President Jonathan to invoke the amnesty deal for the Boko Haram insurgents, as a way to quickly and peacefully quell the unrelenting insurgency.

@bold, making statements in hindsight is not going to solve any problem.
Sharia laws were practised in OBJ's time without any terrorism problems because he was capable of handling situations like that when they arose and nipping them in the bud.
And there is nothing wrong in publicly condemning Jonathan's lackadaisical attitude toward the Boko Haram menace in Nigeria, for crying out loud, how many more people does he want to get killed before the he does something serious about the issue?
The problem is not OBJ but our inept and rėtarded president that does not know what he is doing.

This Gbanite is clearly trying to curry favour from GEJ.

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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by CROWE: 6:19am On Jan 12, 2013
Title is misleading, made me think they were working for him also things like Boko Haram build up and obviously Jonathan taking over from Yar Adua escalated things for them. It is OBJs fault, Islam is even if only by practice anti-democratic, he should not have allowed it to consolidate its position in the north of a "Democratic" nation. Nigeria is a tolerant state, by definition there should be nothing like Sharia law or whatever the equivalent for any other religion is to be imposed on any part of the country.

You say that Jonathan is failing to handle it, well, Sharia law is outside the system of Nigeria and he shouldn't have had to deal with it in the first place. OBJ let it in because he could handle it? Even by that reasonong, he was thinking very short term and this is his fault.

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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by Nobody: 6:58am On Jan 12, 2013
[size=18pt]Thief Obasanjo presided during a period when over 30,000 was killed during religious fighting / riots . He could not handle the consequences of introduction of Sharia law during 8 years of his presidency.[/size]

fellis:

@bold, making statements in hindsight is not going to solve any problem.
Sharia laws were practised in OBJ's time without any terrorism problems because he was capable of handling situations like that when they arose and nipping them in the bud.
And there is nothing wrong in publicly condemning Jonathan's lackadaisical attitude toward the Boko Haram menace in Nigeria, for crying out loud, how many more people does he want to get killed before the he does something serious about the issue?
The problem is not OBJ but our inept and rėtarded president that does not know what he is doing.

This Gbanite is clearly trying to curry favour from GEJ.

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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by Omexonomy: 7:33am On Jan 12, 2013
fellis:

@bold, making statements in hindsight is not going to solve any problem.
Sharia laws were practised in OBJ's time without any terrorism problems because he was capable of handling situations like that when they arose and nipping them in the bud.
And there is nothing wrong in publicly condemning Jonathan's lackadaisical attitude toward the Boko Haram menace in Nigeria, for crying out loud, how many more people does he want to get killed before the he does something serious about the issue?
The problem is not OBJ but our inept and rėtarded president that does not know what he is doing.

This Gbanite is clearly trying to curry favour from GEJ.
the issue of BH are very complex. To the muslim leaders of northan nigeria it is an anathema for christian to be heading them for leadership belong to the north only and the rest region should go to hell. solving the problem should not be left to gej alone neither putting the blame on him. One thing you people should know is that some state allocation on security are being use to futher the cause of BH. The northen elders and politicians are not condeming them

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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 7:38am On Jan 12, 2013
CROWÉ: Title is misleading, made me think they were working for him also things like Boko Haram build up and obviously Jonathan taking over from Yar Adua escalated things for them. It is OBJs fault, Islam is even if only by practice anti-democratic, he should not have allowed it to consolidate its position in the north of a "Democratic" nation . Nigeria is a tolerant state, by definition there should be nothing like Sharia law or whatever the equivalent for any other religion is to be imposed on any part of the country.

You say that Jonathan is failing to handle it, well, Sharia law is outside the system of Nigeria and he shouldn't have had to deal with it in the first place. OBJ let it in because he could handle it? Even by that reasonong, he was thinking very short term and this is his fault.
What would OBJ hav done to prevent the introduction of sharia legal system when its within the constitutional provision. Also,the introduction of sharia has nothing to do with the emergence of boko haram because it wasn't practised in full scale in maiduguri or in most northern states.pls,check d genesis of boko haram, and you will knw dt dia is notin any govt culd do to stop them because everytthing they did then,were within constitutional provisions.We should please desist from making unnecessary and baseless allegations just to make a point against someone whose ideology you don't share irrespective of that persons credibility or crooked activities.

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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by Nobody: 7:41am On Jan 12, 2013
Omexonomy:
the issue of BH are very complex. To the muslim leaders of northan nigeria it is an anathema for christian to be heading them for leadership belong to the north only and the rest region should go to hell. solving the problem should not be left to gej alone neither putting the blame on him. One thing you people should know is that some state allocation on security are being use to futher the cause of BH. The northen elders and politicians are not condeming them

Some northern elders and politicians have actually come out in public to condemn Boko Haram.

And I think GEJ said that the people sponsoring BH are in his cabinet (why do people keep forgetting that he made that comment?) so why hasn't he done anything to fish them out and make them face the music?
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 7:46am On Jan 12, 2013
Omexonomy:
the issue of BH are very complex. To the muslim leaders of northan nigeria it is an anathema for christian to be heading them for leadership belong to the north only and the rest region should go to hell. solving the problem should not be left to gej alone neither putting the blame on him. One thing you people should know is that some state allocation on security are being use to futher the cause of BH. The northen elders and politicians are not condeming them
Some people will never cease to be daft! angry
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by Nobody: 7:53am On Jan 12, 2013
@Omexonomy: If Christians can't be allowed to be governors in the North-east or North-west, and vice versa, then what's the basis of a united Nigeria?

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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 8:00am On Jan 12, 2013
GenBuhari: [size=18pt]Thief Obasanjo presided during a period when over 30,000 was killed during religious fighting / riots . He could not handle the consequences of introduction of Sharia law during 8 years of his presidency.[/size]

on the contrary,I think Obj did what every experienced leader would do. But the actions (no actions) of the inept ratardeen allowed the crisis to escalate into the situation we find ourselves now.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 8:05am On Jan 12, 2013
CFCfan: @Omexonomy: If Christians can't be allowed to be governors in the North-east or North-west, and vice versa, then what's the basis of a united Nigeria?

Can a muslim be allowed to be governor in a christian dominated state? The basis of a united Nigeria is understanding and respecting the will of others even if you don't share the same belief or ideology. And FYI,those at the top knw the basis of a united Nigeria because when the loot,they don't consider tribe or religion,they work together for their collective interest and leave the masses to kill themselves over tribe nd religion.

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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by CROWE: 8:07am On Jan 12, 2013
fellis:

Some northern elders and politicians have actually come out in public to condemn Boko Haram.

And I think GEJ said that the people sponsoring BH are in his cabinet (why do people keep forgetting that he made that comment?) so why hasn't he done anything to fish them out and make them face the music?

How do you know he hasn't done anything? There's a difference between not trying at all and not finding much success. You have a bit of a predispositioned bias against Jonathan probably because you think he is not a very good president so you begin to assume everything is because of one short coming of his or another.

The northerners hold most of the positions in Nigeria, if Boko Haram have strong support within the north, which they obviously must have, you can see how it would be hard for Jonathan to fight them, there are definitely some people in power making it easier for them to operate, just like all the corruption in Nigeria those things are happening in secret and don't just come into the light because you want it to.

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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by CROWE: 8:19am On Jan 12, 2013
miiraaj:

Can a muslim be allowed to be governor in a christian dominated state? The basis of a united Nigeria is understanding and respecting the will of others even if you don't share the same belief or ideology. And FYI,those at the top knw the basis of a united Nigeria because when the loot,they don't consider tribe or religion,they work together for their collective interest and leave the masses to kill themselves over tribe nd religion.

I don't imagine there'd be chaos if one was and tbh the Christian/ Muslim back and forth in Nigeria was started by the Muslims in the north, you cannot argue that, all over the world you can see Muslims countries with little to no people of any other religion in those countries, they either force you to convert or try to get rid of you. Even with all the church bombings in the north I haven't heard of Christians starting their own wide spread "crusades". Fingers can be pointed here whether you like it or not, blame can be allocated but that will not solve our problem. I imagine many many people in the north like what Boko Haram is doing and the fact that Nigerian army is there fighting them must make them very angry, I would not like to be in Nigeria in 2015.

That tribe and religion bit is not true, northern governors are actively working against the south on this state police thing, talking about how the Souths clamor for state police is suspicious.

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Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by Redoil: 8:23am On Jan 12, 2013
fellis:

@bold, making statements in hindsight is not going to solve any problem.
Sharia laws were practised in OBJ's time without any terrorism problems because he was capable of handling situations like that when they arose and nipping them in the bud.
And there is nothing wrong in publicly condemning Jonathan's lackadaisical attitude toward the Boko Haram menace in Nigeria, for crying out loud, how many more people does he want to get killed before the he does something serious about the issue?
The problem is not OBJ but our inept and rėtarded president that does not know what he is doing.

This Gbanite is clearly trying to curry favour from GEJ.
calling gej all sort of insltive name will not make him runaway from the presidency just as BH mallam sheik Gumm.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 8:30am On Jan 12, 2013
CROWÉ:

How do you know he hasn't done anything? There's a difference between not trying at all and not finding much success. You have a bit of a predispositioned bias against Jonathan probably because you think he is not a very good president so you begin to assume everything is because of one short coming of his or another.

The northerners hold most of the positions in Nigeria, if Boko Haram have strong support within the north, which they obviously must have, you can see how it would be hard for Jonathan to fight them, there are definitely some people in power making it easier for them to operate, just like all the corruption in Nigeria those things are happening in secret and don't just come into the light because you want it to.
That means Oga Jona has lost control.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 8:41am On Jan 12, 2013
CROWÉ:

I don't imagine there'd be chaos if one was and tbh the Christian/ Muslim back and forth in Nigeria was started by the Muslims in the north, you cannot argue that, all over the world you can see Muslims countries with little to no people of any other religion in those countries, they either force you to convert or try to get rid of you. Even with all the church bombings in the north I haven't heard of Christians starting their own wide spread "crusades". Fingers can be pointed here whether you like it or not, blame can be allocated but that will not solve our problem. I imagine many many people in the north like what Boko Haram is doing and the fact that Nigerian army is there fighting them must make them very angry, I would not like to be in Nigeria in 2015.

That tribe and religion bit is not true, northern governors are actively working against the south on this state police thing, talking about how the Souths clamor for state police is suspicious.
Saying people down the north are happy with wat Boko haram is doing in the north truely shows you havnt been to the north,and sure have no idea of what's happening. In the north,there are places that are mostly christians and when muslims are killed,we don't hear you talk abt it.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by Omexonomy: 8:48am On Jan 12, 2013
miiraaj:
Some people will never cease to be daft! angry
may you, ur family and ur generational BH family continue to be daft amen. We have being trying to show you the folly of BH & you are insulting us
to all well meaning nigerian who are working hard to make nigerian succed may God bless you
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 8:58am On Jan 12, 2013
Omexonomy:
may you, ur family and ur generational BH family continue to be daft amen. We have being trying to show you the folly of BH & you are insulting us
to all well meaning nigerian who are working hard to make nigerian succed may God bless you
MtCHeeeeeeeeW!
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by CROWE: 9:41am On Jan 12, 2013
miiraaj:
Saying people down the north are happy with wat Boko haram is doing in the north truely shows you havnt been to the north,and sure have no idea of what's happening. In the north,there are places that are mostly christians and when muslims are killed,we don't hear you talk abt it.

What you are saying is that Christians do it too and we are being hypocrites? Yes, they do, I am not denying that but given the fact that the Muslims are the more aggressive ones with all the zealotry I can logically conclude that this is their fault.

It was a bit much for me to say people in the North are happy about Boko Haram tho so I take that back.

miiraaj:
That means Oga Jona has lost control.

Was he ever really in control? There are too many sides to Nigeria fighting each other and there is nothing that we all agree on or want, Nigeria has no national Identity or interest, it is in a never ending cycle.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 10:16am On Jan 12, 2013
CROWÉ:

What you are saying is that Christians do it too and we are being hypocrites? Yes, they do, I am not denying that but given the fact that the Muslims are the more aggressive ones with all the zealotry I can logically conclude that this is their fault.

It was a bit much for me to say people in the North are happy about Boko Haram tho so I take that back..
To some extent,I won't absolve some of the "muslims",but we should know that religious crisis in the north mostly have no religion base. Its mainly a tribal issue between the muslim dominated tribes and some christians tribes. I think its a northern issue with both muslims and chritians of the region to be blamed. I always ask why the muslims in the southwest dont attack the christians in the name of religion. And FYI,we have (arguably) more practicing moslems in the southwest states than in most of the northern states.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by CROWE: 10:29am On Jan 12, 2013
miiraaj:
To some extent,I won't absolve some of the "muslims",but we should know that religious crisis in the north mostly have no religion base. Its mainly a tribal issue between the muslim dominated tribes and some christians tribes. I think its a northern issue with both muslims and chritians of the region to be blamed. I always ask why the muslims in the southwest dont attack the christians in the name of religion. And FYI,we have (arguably) more practicing moslems in the southwest states than in most of the northern states.


I suppose, but i always felt that the North was directly linked to the other Muslim societies in Niger and other countries and was getting the extremism crap from them. I any case I don't expect we will settle it. What is the ratio of Muslims to Christians in the North, I thought Christian societies in the north were small, few and far between.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 10:52am On Jan 12, 2013
CROWÉ:

I suppose, but i always felt that the North was directly linked to the other Muslim societies in Niger and other countries and was getting the extremism crap from them. I any case I don't expect we will settle it. What is the ratio of Muslims to Christians in the North, I thought Christian societies in the north were small , few and far between.
Not as small as u tink,and concentrated in specific areas. Plateau state for instance,is a christian dominated state with muslims being killed like cockroaches during a crisis,and a muslim can't be deputy governor. Taraba is a state with more than 60% christians. Most north eastern states have considerable amount of christians.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by CROWE: 10:54am On Jan 12, 2013
I would not call Plateau or Taraba northern states.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 12:09pm On Jan 12, 2013
CROWÉ: I would not call Plateau or Taraba northern states.
Can you please tell me which are the northern states.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by CROWE: 1:08pm On Jan 12, 2013
miiraaj:
Can you please tell me which are the northern states.

Taraba is just above Cross River, a thin area to the west of Benue separates them, they are literally on the same latitude, if Benue is middle belt then Taraba must be middle belt.

[img]http://nationalmirroronline.net/thumbnail.php?file=/middlebelts_120996736.jpg&size=article_large[/img]

The term Northern states generally refers to the sharia states and a to a lesser extent the ones with partial sharia law. When People say Northern states it is less literally geographic, that's how I have come to understand it.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 1:20pm On Jan 12, 2013
CROWÉ:

Taraba is just above Cross River, a thin area to the west of Benue separates them, they are literally on the same latitude, if Benue is middle belt then Taraba must be middle belt.

[img]http://nationalmirroronline.net/thumbnail.php?file=/middlebelts_120996736.jpg&size=article_large[/img]

The term Northern states generally refers to the sharia states, thats how I have come to understand it.
Please,let's be realistic here,geographically,politically nd any other way,there is no such thing as middle belt. Its just a set of disgrunted individuals that deliberately carved out the "middle belt" just to reduce the dorminance of the north. The last time I checked,the chairman of the "19 Northern governors forum" is the Gov of Niger state which is in the "middle belt". And even going by ur middle belt,Taraba is part of the North east not the middle belt. Please use facts not sentiment.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by CROWE: 1:49pm On Jan 12, 2013
miiraaj:
Please,let's be realistic here,geographically,politically nd any other way,there is no such thing as middle belt. Its just a set of disgrunted individuals that deliberately carved out the "middle belt" just to reduce the dorminance of the north. The last time I checked,the chairman of the "19 Northern governors forum" is the Gov of Niger state which is in the "middle belt". And even going by ur middle belt,Taraba is part of the North east not the middle belt. Please use facts not sentiment.

lol chill, its my bad, I was given to understand that there was actually a middle belt. I am talking about the Islam northern states. I dunno what to name them, perhaps I will begin to say sharia states because not every northern state falls under the group of states that we are talking about.

[img]http://geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Nigeria-Sharia-Map.jpg[/img]

That better?
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by miiraaj: 4:40pm On Jan 12, 2013
CROWÉ:

lol chill, its my bad, I was given to understand that there was actually a middle belt. I am talking about the Islam northern states. I dunno what to name them, perhaps I will begin to say sharia states because not every northern state falls under the group of states that we are talking about.

[img]http://geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Nigeria-Sharia-Map.jpg[/img]

That better?
Bross,u v got a lot to understand about the northern part of this country. But u can still make more researches,xplore the region well. Don't just listen reports frm individuals who have no knwledge of d area.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by CROWE: 5:09pm On Jan 12, 2013
You are right, Abuja is as far north as I've gone but you seem to have a better understanding, I'd ask that you fill me in. No matter what I read it can be biased as well and god knows I am not going there to find out for myself tongue, tell me what goes on in the north as far as you understand it.
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by safarigirl(f): 5:25pm On Jan 12, 2013
Thay have started with the blame game again.

Earth to Nigerian leaders: We don't care how it started or who started it, if you can't provide a solution kindly shut your trap and return to your life of obscurity please
Re: Implementation Of Sharia By Obasanjo Created Boko-Haram! – Gbanite by Bolt2011(m): 5:33pm On Jan 12, 2013
In Nigeria, everyone talks grammar just to attain prominence. Who is Gbanite or is it Granite again?
Enough of the talks. Democracy is more than talks. Let's pray for wisdom for the current government and stop cheap politiking

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