mazaje: Religions already have answers to the nagging questions, they know they do not offer the best solutions and as such they came up with phrases like the wise will perish or the cleverness of the wise is foolishness in the eyes of god. . .Of if you disbelieve you will die. .

davidylan: You could say the same for atheist indoctrination.

Logicboy03:

davidylan:

the above cartoon is funny i agree... but it is MISLEADING. the idea being that somehow all atheists want is to let kids think for themselves. IF that was the case then why are atheists forcing out prayer in schools and the teaching of intelligent design? Why not leave it up to the kids to decide for themselves?

davidylan:

the above cartoon is funny i agree... but it is MISLEADING. the idea being that somehow all atheists want is to let kids think for themselves. IF that was the case then why are atheists forcing out prayer in schools and the teaching of intelligent design? Why not leave it up to the kids to decide for themselves?

plaetton:

Creationism, on the other hand, has absolutely no academic or scientific merit, and you very well know that.
Should we also be teaching kids about Santa Clause and fairies as an academic subject?

Logicboy03:


Secularism is not only supported by atheists but by secular christians, hundus etc.


Prayers are not removed froms schools. Students can pray on their own in public schools but the school can not enforce or endorse payers.

Secondly intelligent desigjn is not a scientific theory or proper science. You cant teach creationism/intelligent design in religious classes but not science

frosbel:


Well if we do not teach creationism on the basis of no evidence, I suggest the same should be implemented for either naturalism or evolution and when I say evolution , may I qualify this with the Origin of MAN.

If you guys say no one is sure about both, why prevent one from being taught and not the other.

Surely, they are both 'fairy tales' , no ?

Logicboy03:


Evolution is a fairytale?


If foolishness is a crime you yould be arrested for multiple counts

plaetton:

In a multicultural and multi-religious society, which god would school prayers be directed towards?
That is the real issue. Its not about ahteist imposing their ideas on children.

plaetton:
Lets say in a typical class room setting where they are 20 christian children, 15 muslim students, 5 Hindu children, and 5 students with no religious affiliation, how would school prayer be appropriate for such a setting?
Should each be allowed to take turns to say their own prayer?

plaetton:
The idea is that there should be no room for that kind of distraction in a school.

plaetton:
Creationism, on the other hand, has absolutely no academic or scientific merit, and you very well know that.
Should we also be teaching kids about Santa Clause and fairies as an academic subject?

plaetton:
Seriously, suppose Pastafarians also demand that their own concept of divinity of the holy FSM be taught in schools, would you not object?

C'mon, let be true to urselves.

davidylan:

who is a "secular christian"? That is an oxymoron if i ever saw one

frosbel:


Well if we do not teach creationism on the basis of no evidence, I suggest the same should be implemented for either naturalism or evolution and when I say evolution , may I qualify this with the Origin of MAN.

If you guys say no one is sure about both, why prevent one from being taught and not the other.

Surely, they are both 'fairy tales' , no ?

davidylan:

He doesnt know what he is talking about. Evolution has been taught in schools for over 30 yrs! Open your biology textbooks from the 90s and see it all there. Its not like all schools did was teach christian religious knowledge and pooh pooh any legitimate attempt to teach science no?

frosbel:


Well if we do not teach creationism on the basis of no evidence, I suggest the same should be implemented for either naturalism or evolution and when I say evolution , may I qualify this with the Origin of MAN.

If you guys say no one is sure about both, why prevent one from being taught and not the other.

Surely, they are both 'fairy tales' , no ?

Logicboy03:


Ignorance.


Have you tried google?

plaetton:

U know better than that. A Theory is not a fairy tale. you teach that to your children if you like. I can bet you that they will laugh at you, if not now, later in their adulthood.
a scientific idea is not in the same category as a religious fiary tale.

How woudl you, for example explain to a child who has already been taught that the sun is responsible for day and night, that the sun was created on the third day of creation? How did the first two days occur?
How do explain that to your child?

[quote author=plaetton]

U know better than that. A Theory is not a fairy tale. you teach that to your children if you like. I can bet you that they will laugh at you, if not now, later in their adulthood.

a scientific idea is not in the same category as a religious fiary tale.

How woudl you, for example explain to a child who has already been taught that the sun is responsible for day and night, that the sun was created on the third day of creation? How did the first two days occur?
How do explain that to your child?

davidylan:

I dont need google... unlike you who cannot defend his position without plagiarizing the arguments of others.

the bible is quite clear... you are either hot or cold. there is no sitting on the fence.

[quote author=Logicboy03]

Dumbazz, the bible is ambiguous.

Logicboy03: Frosbel is a brainwashed tool.


I have learnt never ton argue with diehard creationists. They have chosen to throw away reason and evidence. Once someone says that evolution is unporven despite been shown the evidence by atheists for over a year, that person is delusional.

Logicboy03:

Dumbazz, the bible is ambiguous.


Who is a christian

-A tithe preacher or a non-tither?
-A trinitarian or a non-trinitarian?

davidylan:

Its ok to be ignorant. Next time just ask.

frosbel:

Show us the evidence for the origin of man via evolution and I mean factual specifics.

Stop this 'illiterate approach' to answering questions.

Once we see this factual evidence of yours, we will gladly oblige ourselves to your school of thought.

Logicboy03:


Mtchew.....you have been shown evidence for evolution numerous times on Nairaland.


I actually prefer it that you reject evolution so that you will suffer the pain and humiliation in your old age when your own children consider you as a fool for being a creationist