debosky:

Ola's thesaurus - the gift that keeps on giving.

Melchisedek tithing according to the 'principle' of Malachi which is under the law.

PastorKun:

trustman:

It clear to any follower of the thread the one who being cunning or outrightly skewed in his thinking.
The guy asked a simple question:
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And your answer was:


How does this answer the question? Except you just want to keep the thread running! Abi?

OLAADEGBU:

Since you know the answer to his question why don't you go ahead to answer it?

OLAADEGBU:

What about tithing before the Law? Is that not in the Bible?

OLAADEGBU:

Here comes our fallacious debosky.

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Tim 3:16)

trustman:

The question was to you, my friend. The question was to you. Of course since you copy and paste you may be unable to truly answer.

christemmbassey:

@ Ola, Jesus is coming o! Repent, tithe collection is stealing. Jesus, Peter,Paul John etc did not collect tithe. Stop this fraud.

paxonel:

what law? there are many laws in the Bible. the 10 commandments are laws, the Jewish traditional laws are also there which tithing was one of them
I am a Yoruba guy, if i should go and make laws of tithe payment in our Yoruba land and ask the jews to come and pay, will they pay?
why are we putting ourselves in the boundage of other people tradition in the name of religion?

debosky:

All scripture or pick-and-chooseism? Do you wear clothes made with multiple fabrics? Do you take your wave offerings and heave offerings to the accepted locations and offer them?

OLAADEGBU:

Why should you pay when you don't consider yourself to be a child of Abraham?

paxonel:

no, every Christian is a child of Abraham in the spirit, not in physical. because the justification (the aim ) of the crucifixion of Jesus christ which made us the spiritual decendants of Abraham is something purely spiritual
physically, the jews are decendants of Abraham but we are not, we are only spiritual decendants so let the jews continue to pay,.tithe payment is physical just like any other payment or transaction in banks, it is their traditional law
we are Yoruba, igbo, hausa etc
i don't know if understand me

paxonel:
no, every Christian is a child of Abraham in the spirit, not in physical. because the justification (the aim ) of the crucifixion of Jesus christ which made us the spiritual decendants of Abraham is something purely spiritual
physically, the jews are decendants of Abraham but we are not, we are only spiritual decendants so let the jews continue to pay,.tithe payment is physical just like any other payment or transaction in banks, it is their traditional law
we are Yoruba, igbo, hausa etc
i don't know if understand me

OLAADEGBU:

That is prolix. The question is; are you a child of Abraham or not?

"And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:29).

trustman:

You are right on point. This is what we mean by rightly dividing the word of truth.

trustman:

"heirs according to" what? "the promise" Which promise? Melchizedek promise? Abrahamic promise? Land grant promise? Which one? Pre-law, post-law?
So it's not just enough to quote a passage. Rightly interpret it, then you can rightly apply it or know how to use it.

OLAADEGBU:

Here's another verse for you to crack:

"The Lord has sworn, and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek" (Psalm 110:4).

Who is this everlasting priest after the order of Melchizedek?

OLAADEGBU:

That is prolix. The question is; are you a child of Abraham or not?

"And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:29).

trustman:

The epistles NEVER once mentioned anything about The Feast of Tabernacles. And this was a very important feast under the old covenant.  What can this absence of mention of it tell us? Simply this: it is no longer a requirement for the spiritual life under the new covenant. The same applies to tithing. If tithing were as compulsory as many preachers are leading a lot of members of the body of Christ to believe then the new testament epistles would have stated it     What was important was stated - 2Corinthians 9:7 "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." Any teaching outside of this is deception, coercion and outright evil.

paxonel:

in otherwords, if you be not in christ then you are not Abrahams seed, whether you are a jew or gentile
does that make the jews not Abraham's seed in the real (physical ) sense? no
I think it is straightforward enough to understand, except you can't think
i know that the average Nigerian Christian don't think when they read Bible, all they want to see in the Bible is the one their pastors told them in church, it is affecting them negatively and making the kingdom of God unattractive in general, they don't know

OLAADEGBU:

You fall into the category of people Jesus was talking to in the following verse:

"They answered and said to him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them. If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham" (John 8:39-40)

Now compare that to what Paul said of Abraham:

"And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised" (Romans 4:12).

So, if you don't walk in the steps of Abraham we should question your claim in Christ.

OLAADEGBU:

You fall into the category of people Jesus was talking to in the following verse:

"They answered and said to him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them. If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham" (John 8:39-40)

Now compare that to what Paul said of Abraham:

"And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised" (Romans 4:12).

So, if you don't walk in the steps of Abraham we should question your claim in Christ.

OLAADEGBU:

Don't be bodacious. All ceremonial laws, types and shadows have been fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ. Tithing was practised before the Law as Melchisedec received it from Abraham who gave out of honour and appreciation to God. Jesus Christ receives our tithes because He is equally our High priest after the order of Melchisedec. Your tithes and offering will only be acceptable to the High Priest when you give willingly and cheerfully as Abraham did.

trustman:

Again when one says rightly interpret the word you get off. NOTE that portion did not just say 'walk in the steps of Abraham'. It says 'walk in the steps OF THAT FAITH of our father Abraham'. The two are not the same. Right interpretation leads to right application.
Wrong interpretation, wrong application.

paxonel:

sorry, i do not fall into that category o accuser of the brethren. it was the jews that fell into that category because they refused to believe that Jesus was the Messiah, if they had believed,they wouldn't have seek to kill him
i believe in Jesus, I'm a Christian therefore i am saved.
you can see now that your claim that i fall into that category do not follow (a fallacy known as non sequito )
talking about circucision have you read Galatians 5:6?
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
we are in Jesus Christ (the founder of Christianity )so circumcision does not matter again
may be you are a follower of Abraham (you are in Judaism, not in Christianity ) that is why you lay so much emphasies on this circumcision thing
i want to advice you join Christianity for your salvation @olaadegbu

debosky:

So why practice ceremonial the aw of taking tithes to the storehouse in the ceremonial temple?

Confuzzled pick-and-chooseist.

OLAADEGBU:

Was Abraham circumcised when he was counted righteous by God?

"Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust" (John 5:45).

It is flapdoodle to claim to believe the NT without also believing the OT.

OLAADEGBU:

Was Abraham circumcised when he was counted righteous by God?

"Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust" (John 5:45).


It is flapdoodle to claim to believe the NT without also believing the OT.

debosky:

All scripture or pick-and-chooseism? Do you wear clothes made with multiple fabrics? Do you take your wave offerings and heave offerings to the accepted locations and offer them?

Image123:
Olaaaaaaaa, your grammar wan wound me oh, lol.
Debo, are you implying that those scriptures are not divinely inspired?