Goshen360:


Your observation is truthfully right. They claim Israel was main or solely agrarian society then but right in their face, scriptures proved them wrong. Many occupations were mentioned in the law but none of them the law required them to tithe.

OLAADEGBU:


Did you read that it is commonly assumed that Salem was the original name of Jerusalem from the excerpt I posted? and that "there is no other record of such a city" at the time Abram met Melchisedek, either in archaeology or Scripture.

"In Salem also is his tabernacle, and his dwelling place in Zion" (Psalm 76:2).

Was the city of Jerusalem existing at the time Abraham gave his tithes to Melchisedec?

Here is a bible commentary throwing more light on Psalm 76:2

DJHayes:


Sorry Sir, but Salem did exist. If it had not been in existence at that time, it would not have been mentioned. You have a serious problem when you rely on commentaries to be more authoritative than the inspired Word of God. God's Word says Salem existed. Your commentary says it did not. You'd do well to throw away your book of lies and stick to the Word of God.

OLAADEGBU:


Did you read that it is commonly assumed that Salem was the original name of Jerusalem from the excerpt I posted? and that "there is no other record of such a city" at the time Abram met Melchisedek, either in archaeology or Scripture.

"In Salem also is his tabernacle, and his dwelling place in Zion" (Psalm 76:2).

Was the city of Jerusalem existing at the time Abraham gave his tithes to Melchisedec?

Here is a bible commentary throwing more light on Psalm 76:2

OLAADEGBU:


Salem means "peace"

"To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace" (Hebrew 7:2)

As is clearly written above, the name Melchisedec means "King of righteousness" and Salem means "peace". He is also identified as "priest of the most high God". There is no evidence of a city called Jerusalem at the time Abraham met with Melchisedec, the city was only formed years afterwards.

DJHayes:
Sorry Sir, but Salem did exist. If it had not been in existence at that time, it would not have been mentioned. You have a serious problem when you rely on commentaries to be more authoritative than the inspired Word of God. God's Word says Salem existed. Your commentary says it did not. You'd do well to throw away your book of lies and stick to the Word of God.

MarkMiwerds:


Your "commentary" is wrong. I notice that it is, once again, coming from ICR. Now, while Henry Morris was good at his explanation of creation and defending a young Earth, his interpretations of other passages were not flawless.

As is easily seen in his claim that Salem in Genesis 14 was not an earthly city, but a heavenly one and that Melchizedek was a Theophany.

I have to agree with DJ, throw that commentary away. It is not as reliable as the Word of God. When any commentary contradicts the Word of God, that commentary has proven itself worthless.

MarkMiwerds:


Foolishness. Pure foolishness, Olaadegbu.

Adonizedek means "lord of righteousness" But Adonizedek was not righteous at all. Matter of fact, his unrighteous acts caused him to be hanged.

Just because a person has a name that has righteousness as a meaning does not necessitate that he was righteous.

Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Genesis 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Genesis 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Notice in verse 18, Moses wrote "and he was the Priest of the Most High God." Had it been a Theophany as Morris claimed in your quoted commentary paragraph, the verse would not have said "he was the Priest of the Most High God." It would have simply said 'He was the Most High God.'

He was the Priest of God, he was not God.

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God" (1 Corinthians 1:18.)

MarkMiwerds:


Foolishness. Pure foolishness, Olaadegbu.

Adonizedek means "lord of righteousness" But Adonizedek was not righteous at all. Matter of fact, his unrighteous acts caused him to be hanged.

Just because a person has a name that has righteousness as a meaning does not necessitate that he was righteous.

Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Genesis 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Genesis 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Notice in verse 18, Moses wrote "and he was the Priest of the Most High God." Had it been a Theophany as Morris claimed in your quoted commentary paragraph, the verse would not have said "he was the Priest of the Most High God." It would have simply said 'He was the Most High God.'

He was the Priest of God, he was not God.

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God" (1 Corinthians 1:18.)

OLAADEGBU:




I did not interpret Hebrews 7:2 the verse interpreted itself so you have no excuse.

DJHayes:


search as I might for my mother's grandparents genealogical records, I can't find them. No record of their birth, no record of their death, no record of who their parents were. Using your logic, I must come to the conclusion that they were A Theophany. Ha ha!

OLAADEGBU:


Since you are not sure of her beginning do you believe that she doesn't have one?

DJHayes:
MELCHIZEDEK OBVIOUSLY HAD A BEGINNING, OR HE WOULD NOT HAVE EXIISTED.

Goshen360:


Lemme help you confuse Olaadegbu the more:

King James Bible
Now consider how great this man (Melchizedec) was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Hebrews 7:4

^

New Living Translation
For although the first woman came from man, every other man was born from a woman, and everything comes from God.
1 Corinthians 11:12

Maybe Melchizedek is not part of the every other man that is born of a woman but Jesus was.....

chillykelly86:


The Master hath need of me. I freely gave my life to the Master. Me and my all belong to the Master now(100%, not just 10%; The question I pose here is:- If 10% belongs to God, who does 90% belong to? "Me"? And as a Christian, who does "me" belong to? It doesn't add up, does it?). That should be the position of every Christian. And so, whatever needs to be expended in doing the Masters work should and would be expended, be it time, money, societal standing or even my life. I give them willingly, without compulsion because I understand what it means that "I am not my own, I was bought at a price". However, I would not compel a fellow believer who has not come to that understanding to do so. The best I can do is to teach him/her with Scriptures until he/she has learned it and has become convinced of it. - (2 Timothy 2:13(NIV)...continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of ...).
So, please don't get me wrong, Christians should be givers, generous givers for that matter, in the footsteps of God(who gave His only begotten Son) and Christ(who gave His life) but their giving should never be out of compulsion, coercion, manipulation, etc. So, I wouldn't make mockery of Christ and/or trample underfoot God's principles in the name of enforcing "giving" or "salvation" or any other thing. They should be out of the individual's freewill. That freewill is important because that is the justification for judgement. "Responsibility for one's actions, thoughts and words".

God bless you.

mynairatime:
It seems olaaegbu has p.hd in religion pilfering. how many church dey use the money to buy food inside the church? then dey use the money to buy jet & food they will be eating inside the jet me.

DJHayes:
Where is the Biblical proof that Israel was an agrarian society? Or even largely agrairian? When the old Testament mentioned other job descriptions and those who fulfilled them, was it lying?

The problem I have with this whole tithe fiasco is the lack of evidence that Israel was solely, or mostly, agrarian. I have a problem with the claim that we should be tithing our money when there is absolutely no recorded instance in the Bible of anyone being told to do such.

The only way to arrive at a conclusion of a money tithe being necessary is to completely ignore the biblical text itself.

Goshen360:


Your observation is truthfully right. They claim Israel was main or solely agrarian society then but right in their face, scriptures proved them wrong. Many occupations were mentioned in the law but none of them the law required them to tithe.

Image123:


Is it the devourer that has devoured your common sense? MAINLY or LARGELY does not mean ONLY or SOLELY. Stop twisting people's words the same way you twist the Bible ignorantly. No one said there were no other occupations. What we have shown is that even other occupations tithed. That you had another occupation is no proof that you did not tithe. Jesus said SCRIBES tithed. The lawyers and Pharisees were assumed to have as.ses and ox in Luke 14. If they did, they probably tithed of it. To say that only farmers tithed is redundant, no scripture says so or prohibits otherwise. The omniscient Holy Spirit wrote 66 books and didn't speak against it or see it as dangerous. You are barking the wrong tree.

DJHayes:


MELCHIZEDEK OBVIOUSLY HAD A BEGINNING, OR HE WOULD NOT HAVE EXIISTED.

OLAADEGBU:


You are the one who has a problem believing the Word of God literally.

"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; abides a priest continually" (Hebrew 7:3).

OLAADEGBU:


You are the one who has a problem believing the Word of God literally.

"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; abides a priest continually" (Hebrew 7:3).

Goshen360:


Lemme help you confuse Olaadegbu the more:

King James Bible
Now consider how great this man (Melchizedec) was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Hebrews 7:4

^

New Living Translation
For although the first woman came from man, every other man was born from a woman, and everything comes from God.
1 Corinthians 11:12

Maybe Melchizedek is not part of the every other man that is born of a woman but Jesus was.....

OLAADEGBU:


"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; abides a priest continually" (Hebrew 7:3).

Any sincere sensible reader would conclude that the peculiar description of Melchisedek given in Heb 7:3 will know that this was not just a failure to mention Melchi's pedigree but that the description perfectly fits God Himself appearing to Abraham in a theophany, unless you are claiming that Jesus existence only began when He was born through Mary.

mynairatime:
A reasonable person will not ask how many of them by jet. but ask how many of them buys food into house of God? if only one of them buys jet & no one of them buys food then jet is = 1 while food is less than 1. did u do math in ur p.hd program is a simple equetion

If a cost of a jet is = 1 then the cost of food is less than which means it is more affordable to buy food into the house of God than to buy a jet but they didnt buy the food but mamy jets i dont how quantitative u are. can u understand me olaagbu

MarkMiwerds:
Pastors and those not pastors alike who will defend monetary tithe requirement teachers really should rethink their positions. Especially in light of Revelation 22:15.

Revelation 22:15 (KJV) 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Those that make and love a lie, ("God requires you to tithe your money"; "God said if you tithe your money to the Church, He will open the floodgates of Heaven and bless you abundantly" ) are promised denial of entrance into God's eternal Kingdom.

Image123:


There you go again in hypocrisy. Stop 'threatening' people not to tithe or teach tithe, especially when you have issues with others 'threatening' people to tithe. God is not going to stop anybody from entering His eternal kingdom because he tithed or preached tithes. It is not right to be manipulative in order to stop others from being manipulated by another others.