OLAADEGBU:


Yes, and I have scriptural backings to buttress my point.

Genesis 14:18-20 Melchisedec was a representative of our Lord Jesus Christ who Abraham gave his tithes to. What Abraham did to Melchisedec is what faithful children of Abraham are doing to Jesus Christ.

In Genesis 28:20-22 we see Jacob vow to pay his tithe to God if God protected and provided for him. Are you accusing Jacob that he did not pay his vow?

In Matthew 23:23 Jesus did not cancel Tithes and offering.

God promised in Malachi 3:8-10 to bless us if we tithe. It is not compulsory for you to go in that route. A straight line is the shortest distance between two points. The longest route is also an option that you might take. Obedience is the shortest route that I have chosen to take. The choice is yours.

OLAADEGBU:


Obedience is the shortest route to blessings.

brocab:


I agree-but ripping of the Church of God in tithes and offerings, is not walking in obedience, the law on tithing is a sin, and it does not bless you, it can't bless you, and it won't bless you.
I am not going to waste my time preaching to you, it doesn't matter how the Word of God is written, you heart is no where to be found, plus if we were brothers in Christ, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

OLAADEGBU:


We are definitely not brothers in Christ because you still have mammon as your god. All you seem to be preaching about is the love of money. The word mammon signifies "that which is to be trusted." You cannot trust God and money. It's either you trust God or you trust in money as your source of joy, great love, sense of security and the supplier of your needs. "Where your treasure is there will your heart be."

brocab:


Thanks for being so honest, I was starting to panic, that had taken the weight of my shoulders, we aren't brothers..
God warns us-about the tithers that collect mammon of tithes and offerings, He warns us in Word, "Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth who suppose that godliness is their means to financial gain. Did you know Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves.
Are you listening to Him, or is tithing to much for you to bare that your only way in surviving is tithes, it gives the key to your success and security, without money you can't be blessed.
Well stranger I have news for you-lay down your life for Jesus, and He will set you free from tithes, taken those heavy burdens from you too.
Lets join together and come and spend eternity with the lord, stand with me, stranger that we may become brothers in the lord, and share the wonderful truths about the Word of God free of charge sharing the lord's blessings. 'Doesn't this sound great, we could rely on the lord to provide our needs as He promises.
All is this to much for you to bare?

OLAADEGBU:


It is good that we don't have to deceive ourselves. The fact that you said that you serve the lord (notice the lord with the lower case), that is definitely different from the Lord (with the upper case) that I serve. I again stress that you serve mammon who is your lord as you cannot serve the God (Lord) and mammon (lord).

Go through all your posts on it will be difficult to see you posting anything other than money matters and why Christians are not supposed to give to God. Your lord (mammon) has given you work to do and that is to discourage children of God from being obedient to the Word of God.

If you want to spend eternity with the Lord Jesus Christ you must first of all forget about giving your money. He needs you to first give Him a place in your heart. What is money if both the holder and the money is to perish in eternal fire?

Covetousness is the idol that prevents many religious people from serving the true God. Godliness with contentment is great gain. When God eventually conquers your heart let your wallet be conquered too, don't lose eternity because of it.

OLAADEGBU:


Will a man rob God? - R.C. Sproul

In the last book of the Old Testament, God spoke through the prophet Malachi. He raised a provocative question: "Will man rob God?" This is somewhat startling because it suggests something that on the surface would appear to be impossible. How could anybody rob God of anything? Does it mean that we storm the ramparts of heaven and break into the inner sanctum of the divine treasury and help ourselves to things that God alone possesses? Such a thing is manifestly impossible. The strongest robber in the world could never scale the heights of heaven and defile the possessions of an omnipotent God, and so the very idea of robbing God seems absurd. Yet God gives answer to this question immediately dispelling any absurdity connected with it. He explains pointedly how indeed it is possible for human creatures to be guilty of theft against God. He answers his question, "Will man rob God?" saying, "Yet you are robbing me." The Israelite response is: "How have we robbed you?" To which God replies, "In your tithes and contributions" (3:8 ). God announces that to withhold the full measure of the tithe that He requires from His people is to be guilty of robbing God Himself. Because of this, He pronounces a curse upon the whole nation and commands them afresh to bring to Him all of the tithe.

When we think of tithing in Old Testament categories, we understand that the requirement involves returning to God the first fruits of one's prosperity. We are required to give ten percent of our gross annual income or gain. If a shepherd's flock produced ten new lambs, the requirement was that one of those lambs be offered to God. This offering is from the top. It is not an offering that is given after other expenses are met or after other taxes have been paid.

Recently, I read an article that gave an astonishing statistic that I find difficult to believe is accurate. It declared that of all of the people in America who identify themselves as evangelical Christians, only four percent of them return a tithe to God. If that statistic is accurate, it means that ninety-six percent of professing evangelical Christians regularly, systematically, habitually, and impenitently rob God of what belongs to Him. It also means that ninety-six percent of us are for this reason exposing ourselves to a divine curse upon our lives. Whether this percentage is accurate, one thing is certain — it is clear that the overwhelming majority of professing evangelical Christians do not tithe.

This immediately raises the question: "Why?" How is it possible that somebody who has given his life to Christ can withhold their financial gifts from Him? I have heard many excuses or explanations for this. The most common is the assertion that the tithe is part of the Old Testament law that has passed away with the coming of the New Testament. This statement is made routinely in spite of the complete lack of New Testament evidence for it. Nowhere in the New Testament does it teach us that the principle of the tithe has been abrogated. The New Testament does teach us, however, that the new covenant is superior to the old covenant. It is a covenant that gives more blessings to us than the old covenant did. It is a covenant that with its manifold blessings imposes greater responsibilities than the Old Testament did. If anything, the structure of the new covenant requires a greater commitment to financial stewardship before God than that which was required in the old covenant. That is to say, the starting point of Christian giving is the tithe. The tithe is not an ideal that only a few people reach but rather should be the base minimum from which we progress.

Church history also bears witness that many in the early church did not consider the tithe as having been abrogated in the new covenant. One of the earliest (turn of the second century) extrabiblical documents that survives to this day is the book of the Didache. The Didache gives practical instruction for Christian living. In the Didache, the principle of the giving of the first fruits or the tithe is mentioned as a basic responsibility for every Christian.

A second argument that people give to avoid the tithe is that they "cannot afford it." What that statement really means is that they cannot pay their tithe and pay all the other expenses they have incurred. Again, in their minds the tithe is the last resort in the budget. Their giving to God is something that is at the bottom of their list of priorities. It's a weak argument before God to say, "Lord, I didn’t tithe because I couldn't afford it" — especially when we consider that the poorest among us has a higher standard of living than ninety-nine percent of the people who have ever walked on the face of the earth.

There are many more excuses that people give to avoid this responsibility, yet the New Testament tells us: "Let the thief no longer steal" (Eph. 2:28a). If we have been guilty of stealing from God in the past by withholding our tithe from Him, that behavior must cease immediately and give way to a resolution to begin tithing at once, no matter what it costs. It's an interesting phenomenon in the life of the church, that people who in 1960 gave a dollar to the offering plate every week, still give that same dollar today. Everything else in their living costs has been adjusted to inflation except their giving. We also have to remind ourselves that if we give gifts to God, we cannot call them tithes if these gifts fall beneath the level of ten percent.

One of the sad realities of failure to tithe is that in so doing we not only are guilty of robbing God, but we also rob ourselves of the joy of giving and of the blessings that follow from it. I have yet to meet a person who tithes who has expressed to me regret for being one who tithes. On the contrary, I hear from them not a sense of judgment towards those who don’t give but rather a sense of compassion toward them. Frequently, I hear tithers saying, "People who don't tithe just don't know what they’re missing." It is a cliché and a truism that you can't out-give God. That statement has become a cliché because it is so true. In the text in Malachi, we find something exceedingly rare coming from the lips of God. Here God challenges His people to put Him to a test: "Put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need" (3:10). Have you put God to that test? Have you tried Him to see if He will not open heaven itself and empty His own treasuries upon you? We need to stop robbing Him and thus receive from Him the blessing that He promises.

http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/will-man-rob-god/

OLAADEGBU:


Since you can't or wouldn't take the pain to study your bible, let me list the references of some of those who believed in paying their tithes before and during the law and see how the principles have influenced the church. Take out your bible and find out the answers to your questions above.

Abraham (Genesis 14:20; Heb.7:1-11)

Jacob (Gen.28:22)

Levi in Abraham (Heb.7:9)

Hezekiah and Israel (2 Chronicles 31)

Hypocrites (Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42; 18:12)

Christians (1 Corinthians 9:7-14; 16:2; 2 Cor. 8:1-15; Gal. 6:6; 1 Tim. 5:17-18; Heb.7)

If you study your bible very well you will discover that there is no where in the Scriptures that mentions a substitute programme for tithing in the New Testament.

OLAADEGBU:


The religious should first of all give their hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ and then pray whether they should start paying their tithes or not.

Weighty Matters

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone" (Matthew 23:23).

This particular "woe" among the eight in Matthew 23 is often only partially proclaimed. Usually, sermons are delivered about the "judgment, mercy, and faith" that are indeed the "weightier matters of the law"--but Christ's somewhat offhand remark on the responsibility to tithe is either ignored or downplayed.

Surely the legalistic and public display of "obedience" to the law is condemned by Jesus. He rebuked these same men for their desire to show their spirituality. "Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men" (Matthew 6:2). But Jesus also said in our text that they "ought . . . to have done" the tithing of their wealth.

The condemnation is that this kind of hypocrite seeks only his name in a bulletin, or a plaque on a wall, or a brick in a walkway, or a wing in a hospital or museum, and is indifferent to the quiet, background work of ministry that doles out judgment, mercy, and faith.

Jesus measures "weightier matters" this way: "I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Nɑked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me" (Matthew 25:35-36). "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me" (Matthew 25:40).

If we wish to honour and please our Lord, He expects us to do both: faithful tithes and offerings, and judgment, mercy, and faith. HMM III

For more . . . .

brocab:
Do I have to repeat this, everyone knows through the Word, Jesus was under the law, but your understanding of {Matthew 23:23} as tithing Christians this scripture is used to lie against the truth. Plus {Mark 12:17} and this is another scripture being used out of place, just for the tithers greed.
If only you read the Word of God equally, instead relying on just one.
It makes life difficult for you, that you have many members on the same page, I understand why none of you learn anything-your job is simple, by the push of a button your page is solved.
I don't believe you are saved-one of your members is a JW.
{Galatians 2:21, 5:4} For righteousness comes through the law, Christ died in vain-You have become estrangled from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by the law, you have falling from grace.

petra1:


You don’t have to insult tithers and givers . Just because you don’t .

Matthew 22:21 (KJV Strong's)
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

brocab:

This verse is about ownership and image-Caesar's image, and God's image, it has nothing to do with tithing or giving back money.
It's about ownership, and it go's like this, {Give back to Caesar, what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God}
This is not about money, this verse is about image and ownership, who's image is describe on the coin "Caesars" who owns the coin "Caesar" give it back to him, and who's the image of God, we are His image, God created us, He owns us-give ourselves back to God.
So petral you old religious comrade, when does Catholicism ever involved themselves with the truth anyway,?

petra1:


Truth doesn’t need much explanation . Let the Bible speak for itself .

What does ceasar demand : Taxes
What does God demand :tithes and offering

brocab:
So you are allowing the bible speak for itself-and then you decide to add and remove the written Word of God, you claim in your bible it actually say's Caesar demands taxes, and Jesus demands tithes and offerings?
Typical, it's easy for you to add and remove words, when it isn't scriptural to do so, it's a common thing with Catholic's.
The bible is speaking to those who are hearing, and you aren't hearing..
{Matthew 22:17-22} Tell us therefore what do you think, is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?
And Jesus perceived there wickedness, and said: why do you test Me, you hypocrites?
Show Me the tax money."
So they brought to Him a denarius.
And He said to them, whose IMAGE and INSCRIPTION is this?
And they said to Him Caesar's.
And He said: to them render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's {The coin} and to God, the things that are God's {The people} When they heard this they walked away.
Like you said: let the bible speak for itself...

petra1:


Did he say people ? He said “THINGS” that belong to God . Which are tithes and offerings .let me show it to you in other translation bro.

Matthew 22:21 (HCSB Free)
21 “Caesar’s,” they said to Him.
Then He said to them, “Therefore give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

Mark 12:17 (WNT)
17 "What is Caesar's," replied Jesus, "pay to Caesar--and what is God's, pay to God." And they wondered exceedingly at Him.

What do you pay to God ? Tithes

OLAADEGBU:
Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo on the subject of Tithes and Offerings.

OLAADEGBU:
Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo on the subject of Tithes and Offerings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUIZI4YDwT8

OkaiCorne:
It's interesting to note that going by Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29, God never asked for tithes to be paid monetarily (i.e. gold, silver or any other form of money)...

Certain Pastorpreneurs have twisted the scriptures to claim tithes are to be paid monetarily.

Well, I'd be happy for them to explain what the Israelites used to create the golden calf...and why God didn't request for gold as part of the items to be tithed.


I'll also like these Pastorpreneurs to show me where in the old or new testament non-Jews gave tithes!

adejoro218:


Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.