King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But you shall remember the LORD your God: for it is he that gives you power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he swore unto your fathers, as it is this day. - Deuteronomy 8:18

Have you ever wondered why many Christians serve God and are still poor or broke? Hmmmmmmmm. If you're a Christian and yet still poor or broke, this is a word from heaven for you. It is very clear from NT scriptures that God doesn't want us poor. One of the things Christ sacrificed was for us to be made rich (2 Corinthians 8:9). One of the groups Christ was anointed to preach to are the poor (Luke 4:18).

There're two kinds of power as described in scriptures.

1. Power as it is in Deuteronomy 8:18
2. Power as it is in Acts 1:8.

Many church folk thinks when they receive power as in Acts 1:8, they speak in tongues and witness unto the Lord etc they automatically will have wealth. NO! You can receive power as in Acts 1:8, speak in tongues, witness unto the Lord and still be poor or broke. It doesn't mean you ain't gonna pay your bills. Permit me to say, spirituality is not to cover up for reality. Christianity is not an allusion to reality. Christianity is more than speaking in tongues, shouting, jumping etc without getting results. You can go to worship places on Sunday, shout, praise, sing, speak in tongues and witness etc, the reality is that you still got bills and expenses to take care of.

Now, what power is God talking about in Deuteronomy that doesn't equal the power in Acts. The power in Deuteronomy is from the Hebrew word Koach that conveys a meaning to be wisdom, understanding, skill, bodily strength, knowledge, insight, ideas and opportunities.

The power in Acts 1:8 is the Greek word dynamis that conveys its meaning as inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth. This type of power doesn't convey the container or carrier but the power that resides within.

There is a difference between both power. God wasn't talking about power as it is in Acts 1:8 in Deuteronomy because Jesus had not come and be glorified yet for the Holy Spirit to give the power as it is in Acts 1:8, dynamis. So, when God speaks of power to get wealth to you - He speaks of skills, ideas, knowledge, insight, opportunities that will birth you wealth. It has nothing to do with speaking in tongues. Do you serve God and still live poor and can't pay your bills and expenses?

Look around you and stop waiting on God but see God in every opportunities, in ideas, insight, skills etc. God doesn't send the Holy Spirit to rain down money on you - He gives you insights, ideas, knowledge, opportunities etc that will eventually give you money or wealth. Somebody had an idea years back and that idea was to connect people globally via facebook. Today, we speak of him as a wealthy person. Somebody saw the needs in the society, and turned it into an opportunity, today we speak of them as wealthy people. Somebody came up with an insight to put sandwiches together, today we speak of Subway as a wealthy person. It's not enough to have faith, your faith must follow up with a corresponding action. There's opportunity all around you as I speak to you. Don't neglect that idea you had in the past. Don't neglect that opportunity, that insight, that skills. Think and let God's wealth be transfered to you!

New Living Translation (©2007)
Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect. - Romans 12:2

God bless you!

Nice. I've learn

^ God bless you brother! Go and produce kingdom wealth. There're those who teach God is gonna transfer wealth of the ungodly to the godly. If the ungodly didn't produce wealth by their ideas etc, how are they gonna have wealth for God to transfer to the godly? There's nothing life transfer of wealth of the ungodly to the godly in the NT. Scripture says,

New International Version (©1984)
He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need. - Ephesians 4:28

New International Version (©1984)
Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you. - 1 Thessalonians 4:11

complete and total waste of time and space.

ooman: complete and total waste of time and space.

its like you were disappointed to find out that the bible does not fit into your wrong notion.

The bible NT is very clear on what one needs to do in making a living while at the same time serving God.

Your notion is faulty, since it is the abuse of christianity that cause people to refused to work and depend on miracle instead of using there brain to think and create things.

^ One by one my brother - we shall separate the truth from errors that had been long taught to us. And we shall put wealth back in the hands of Christians in the kingdom, right and godly way.

earn a degree like madam NOI or be skilled like Bill Gate,you will be fabulously rich beyond belief.

ABSOLUTE HOGWASH. THE VERSE YOU QUOTED (DEUT 8 VS 18 ) WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COLLECTIVE WEALTH OF THE NATION WHEN THEY TAKE OVER THE LAND THAT THEY ARE GOING. HOWEVER HE SAID IF YOU GO INTO YOUR OWN WAYS AND START DOING WHAT THE NATION BEFORE YOU THAT I REMOVED FROM THE LAND DID, I WOULD DRIVE YOU OUT OF THE LAND AND INTO POVERTY AND SUFFERING AND PLAGUES ETC ETC. THATS WHERE WE AT NOW. THEY SINNED, GOT KICKED OUT OF THE LAND AND INTO THE INTERIORS OF AFRICA IN WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE DEUTERONOMY 28 CURSES WHICH WE ARE STILL UNDER AS A NATION. AND HE GAVE THE WEALTH TO THE GENTILE NATIONS WHILE WE SERVE OUT OUR HELL. SO AS A TRUE CHRISTIAN YOUR FOCUS SHOULD NOT BE WEALTH BUT TRYING TO GET BACK INTO THE KINGDOM. AND THEN IN THE KINGDOM WE WILL GET OUR WEALTH BACK. YOUR POST IS AKIN TO A MAN LOCKED UP IN JAIL TRYING TO HUSTLE AND GET RICH WHILE IN JAIL. IT SHOWS HE IS NOT REFORMED YET FROM HIS SIN. THE POT OF GOLD IS OUTSIDE THE PRISON NOT INSIDE IT. THOSE WHO LOOK FOR THE POT OF GOLD INSIDE PRISON WILL BE DESTROYED. SEE THAT DEUT 8 VS 18 VERSE YOU QUOTED WAS FOR A DIFFERENT PERIOD, NOT THIS PERIOD.

1 TIMOTHY 6 VS 5 - 11
MATTHEW 6 VS 19 - 21
2 CORINTHIANS 4 VS 18

1 TIMOTHY 6 VS 5-11

perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and raiment, let us be therewith content.
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

2 CORINTHIANS 4 VS 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I dont necessarily agree with this...

@ Obadiah777, So Christians are not suppose to have money in their pocket to take care of their bills and expenses?

MATTHEW 6 VS 19-21

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

scarred: I dont necessarily agree with this...

I don't even get it

obadiah777: MATTHEW 6 VS 19-21

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

The question is, don't you work with your hand to get your bills and expenses paid?

Goshen360: @ Obadiah777, So Christians are not suppose to have money in their pocket to take care of their bills and expenses?

I DID NOT SAY THAT LOL. BUT YOU SHOULD NOT BE FOCUSED ON WEALTH. THE REAL WEALTH IS IN THE KINGDOM ( ON EARTH ). THE REAL WEALTH IS NOT ON THIS SIDE OF HEAVEN. IT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. ON THIS SIDE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PREPARE FOR THE REAL WEALTH. HE WHO HUSTLES FOR THE REAL WEALTH ON THIS SIDE ? WILL GET DESTROYED ON THE OTHER SIDE WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SIDE BECAUSE YOU WILL LIVE TO 1000 YEARS AND WILL BE HUGELY REWARDED AND GET TO ENJOY YOUR WEALTH IN PEACE. NO MORE WARS NO MORE PAIN AND SUFFERING. IF YOU ARE HUSTLING ON THIS SIDE FOR RICHES ?

LUKE 6 VS 24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation

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Goshen360:

The question is, don't you work with your hand to get your bills and expenses paid?

OH YES, BUT THE EMPHASIS ON YOUR POST WAS 'WEALTH' AND 'RICHES' NOT 'WORK'

THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO MAKE IT INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH WILL NOT BE WEALTHY IN THIS WORLD BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE RECIEVED YOUR CONSOLATION ON THIS SIDE

To Goshen: Is wealth a pre-requisite or a confirmation of ones salvation?

obadiah777: OH YES, BUT THE EMPHASIS ON YOUR POST WAS 'WEALTH' AND 'RICHES' NOT 'WORK'

THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO MAKE IT INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH WILL NOT BE WEALTHY IN THIS WORLD BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE RECIEVED YOUR CONSOLATION ON THIS SIDE

Religion is killing you Read and comprehend and when you comprehend, comprehend very well

scarred: To Goshen: Is wealth a pre-requisite or a confirmation of ones salvation?

Read again sir - The wealth I spoke about is ideas, insight, skills, opportunities etc that puts money in your hands and pocket. When you have and utilize those things, that give you money in your hands to pay your bills and not being broke.

IT WOULD NOT BE A MIRACLE TO SEE A WEALTHY PERSON IN HEAVEN. THE LORD DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT. THE THINGS THAT MEN HOLD TO HIGH ESTEEM IN THIS WORLD IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE LORD

LUKE 16 VS 15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

AND IF YOU ARE RICH ON THIS SIDE, YOU ARE AN ABOMINATION TO THE LORD BECAUSE THAT SHOWS WHERE YOUR HEART IS AND THAT IS CHASING MONEY. AND A RICH MAN MAKING HEAVEN WILL NOT BRING GLORY TO THE LORD. THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH. THE LORD USES THE MOST DESPISED TO CONFOUND THE WISE. HE USES THE POOR TO CONFOUND THE RICH. NO RICH MAN IS MAKING IT INTO HEAVEN. EVERY RICH MAN IN THIS WORLD TODAY WILL BE DESTROYED AND WILL BE THE LOWEST IN THE KINGDOM

1 CORINTHIANS 1 VS 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; <<< NO RICH MAN IS MAKING IT. BELIEVE THAT. IT IS EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO PASS THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE THAN IT IS FOR A RICH MAN TO MAKE IT INTO HEAVEN <<<< THERE IS GRAVITY IN THAT STATEMENT. PONDER ON IT

scarred: To Goshen: Is wealth a pre-requisite or a confirmation of ones salvation?

ACCORDING TO GOSHEN IT IS A CONFIRMATION JK

Obadiah777,

Stop taking scriptures and my thread out of context please. God is not again his people having money but the money having them. Go and work to have money using God's given ideas, insights, skills etc is all what my thread is all about. Don't turn it upside down with your out of context scriptures! Besides, I hope you're not agitating I or we should be poor without money either like 'church rats'

Goshen360:

Religion is killing you Read and comprehend and when you comprehend, comprehend very well

AHHH I SEE YOU ARE NOW BACKTRACKING SO I TAKE IT YOU WERE NOT REFERRING TO THE CONVENTIONAL USAGE OF THE WORD 'WEALTH'

Goshen360: King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But you shall remember the LORD your God: for it is he that gives you power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he swore unto your fathers, as it is this day. - Deuteronomy 8:18

Have you ever wondered why many Christians serve God and are still poor or broke? Hmmmmmmmm. If you're a Christian and yet still poor or broke, this is a word from heaven for you. It is very clear from NT scriptures that God doesn't want us poor. One of the things Christ sacrificed was for us to be made rich (2 Corinthians 8:9). One of the groups Christ was anointed to preach to are the poor (Luke 4:18).

There're two kinds of power as described in scriptures.

1. Power as it is in Deuteronomy 8:18
2. Power as it is in Acts 1:8.

Many church folk thinks when they receive power as in Acts 1:8, they speak in tongues and witness unto the Lord etc they automatically will have wealth. NO! You can receive power as in Acts 1:8, speak in tongues, witness unto the Lord and still be poor or broke. It doesn't mean you ain't gonna pay your bills. Permit me to say, spirituality is not to cover up for reality. Christianity is not an allusion to reality. Christianity is more than speaking in tongues, shouting, jumping etc without getting results. You can go to worship places on Sunday, shout, praise, sing, speak in tongues and witness etc, the reality is that you still got bills and expenses to take care of.

Now, what power is God talking about in Deuteronomy that doesn't equal the power in Acts. The power in Deuteronomy is from the Hebrew word Koach that conveys a meaning to be wisdom, understanding, skill, bodily strength, knowledge, insight, ideas and opportunities.

The power in Acts 1:8 is the Greek word dynamis that conveys its meaning as inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth. This type of power doesn't convey the container or carrier but the power that resides within.

There is a difference between both power. God wasn't talking about power as it is in Acts 1:8 in Deuteronomy because Jesus had not come and be glorified yet for the Holy Spirit to give the power as it is in Acts 1:8, dynamis. So, when God speaks of power to get wealth to you - He speaks of skills, ideas, knowledge, insight, opportunities that will birth you wealth. It has nothing to do with speaking in tongues. Do you serve God and still live poor and can't pay your bills and expenses?

Look around you and stop waiting on God but see God in every opportunities, in ideas, insight, skills etc. God doesn't send the Holy Spirit to rain down money on you - He gives you insights, ideas, knowledge, opportunities etc that will eventually give you money or wealth. Somebody had an idea years back and that idea was to connect people globally via facebook. Today, we speak of him as a wealthy person. Somebody saw the needs in the society, and turned it into an opportunity, today we speak of them as wealthy people. Somebody came up with an insight to put sandwiches together, today we speak of Subway as a wealthy person. It's not enough to have faith, your faith must follow up with a corresponding action. There's opportunity all around you as I speak to you. Don't neglect that idea you had in the past. Don't neglect that opportunity, that insight, that skills. Think and let God's wealth be transfered to you!

New Living Translation (©2007)
Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect. - Romans 12:2

God bless you!

It is on issues like this you support the Old testament and that is when its laws are important and relevant.

obadiah777: AHHH I SEE YOU ARE NOW BACKTRACKING SO I TAKE IT YOU WERE NOT REFERRING TO THE CONVENTIONAL USAGE OF THE WORD 'WEALTH'

You're the one reading 'religious' meaning to my words. Go and sin no more The wealth God gives you on this earth is what I called the 'power' and in this case, it means ideas, skills, insight, opportunities etc that will turn to money in your hands to take care of others and your bills/living expenses. Go and sin no more bro

Goshen360: Obadiah777,

Stop taking scriptures and my thread out of context please. God is not again his people having money but the money having them. Go and work to have money using God's given ideas, insights, skills etc is all what my thread is all about. Don't turn it upside down with your out of context scriptures! Besides, I hope you're not agitating I or we should be poor without money either like 'church rats'

NOT BY ANY LONG SHOT AM I PROMOTING 'CHURCHRATISM' . BUT THE IDEA THAT THE LORD WANTS YOU TO BE WEALTHY WHILE IN HELL IS ABSOLUTELY PREPOSTEROUS. ITS AKIN TO ME PUNISHING MY SON BY BUYING HIM A MERCEDES BENZ. WHAT KINDA PUNISHMENT IS THAT ? IF HE BUYS A MERCEDES BENZ WHILE IN PUNISHMENT, THEN HE DID THAT ON HIS OWN. HE CHANNELLED HIS ENERGY AWAY FROM HIS PUNISHMENT AND INSTEAD CHOSE TO PURSUE OTHER VENTURES. HE DID NOT TAKE THE TIME TO MEDITATE ON WHY HE WAS BEING PUNISHED. AS SUCH HE WILL BE CAST OUT INTO DARKNESS PAIN AND SUFFERING. THERE SHALL BE WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH WHERE HE WILL END UP

brainpulse:

It is on issues like this you support the Old testament and that is when its laws are important and relevant.

LMAO

brainpulse:

It is on issues like this you support the Old testament and that is when its laws are important and relevant.

Again, misconceptions or misunderstanding. It's good you ask questions and speak out rather than having misconceptions in your heart...The title says: "... In The Light Of The New Testament". You people need start interpreting the Old WITH the NEW NOT interpreting the NEW with the OLD. The Old was concealed and the New REVEALS it. Brother, you have a lot of work to do in studying. I NEVER taught the Old is OFF. What you have in the Old is concealed and when you read the Old, the New MUST be in your mind to interpret the Old. I don't know if you understand what I'm saying. I have just interpreted that scripture (Deuteronomy) in the LIGHT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. I'm a New Testament teacher, not the Old.

Goshen360:

You're the one reading 'religious' meaning to my words. Go and sin no more The wealth God gives you on this earth is what I called the 'power' and in this case, it means ideas, skills, insight, opportunities etc that will turn to money in your hands to take care of others and your bills/living expenses. Go and sin no more bro

I AM GONE. AND WILL TRY TO SIN NO MORE

obadiah777: I AM GONE. AND WILL TRY TO SIN NO MORE

NOOO, Don't go yet. Lemme blessing you with Apostolic blessing for today. Knee down and receive your blessings

Goshen360:

Again, misconceptions or misunderstanding. It's good you ask questions and speak out rather than having misconceptions in your heart...The title says: "... In The Light Of The New Testament". You people need start interpreting the Old WITH the NEW NOT interpreting the NEW with the OLD. The Old was concealed and the New REVEALS it. Brother, you have a lot of work to do in studying. I NEVER taught the Old is OFF. What you have in the Old is concealed and when you read the Old, the New MUST be in your mind to interpret the Old. I don't know if you understand what I'm saying. I have just interpreted that scripture (Deuteronomy) in the LIGHT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. I'm a New Testament teacher, not the Old.

THIS IS JUST A BUNCH OF MUMBO JUMBO. THE OLD STANDS ON ITS OWN AS WELL AS THE NEW STANDS ON ITS OWN. YOU DONT INTERPRET ONE IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER. WHAT YOU DO IS JOIN ONE TO THE OTHER AND LINK UP THE RELEVANT PARTS. SCRIPTURE SAYS 'I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK'. SO YOU BEING A NEW TESTAMENT TEACHER IS PREPOSTEROUS.
ISAIAH 28 VS 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;


GOSHEN YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING HE CAME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK