There is this Penticostal Protestant Church located in one warehouse in my street. They use to hold their service every Sundays, Wednesdays and Fridays. On Sundays they have there full service which starts by 8am and ends by 5pm. On Wednesdays they have their bible study/bible Worship Service. On Fridays they have their Night Vigil, which is a noisy demon casting and binding/deliverance Service. On these Fridays, I sleep by 6pm so that by 12mid Night the deliverance will begin I must have had enough rest. Most of the times, I don't care about what these people do in their Church, but last wednesday I decided to watch what was going on in this penticostal Church. Because I was there on time, Standing at my vantage point, I was amased at what I saw. Just before the bible study they had their Bible Worship. The Pastor ordered them to Pray "WHILE KNEELING BEFORE THEIR BIBLES". For 20minutes these penticostals were pouring out incomprehensible incantations and libations like SoBoriCoSanDaya! ShinTaraBaShinTaraBa! MaSeriCotarabababa......!.I was wondering why these Penticostal were KNEELING and PRAYING to there bibles. Then I remembered what God Said in Exodus20:4-5 "Do not make for yourselves images of anything(objects) in heaven or on earth.... 5 Do not bow down(or KNEEL) to any Idol(object) or worship(pray) to it. And these penticostals protestants were KNEELING and PRAYING to their bibles. Is this not IDOL WORSHIPPING?. The worst is yet to come. After those incantations, the Pastor asked them to use their bible as A POINT OF CONTACT(means of mediation) to God and ask for whatever they want from God. Honestly, at this point, I can't withstand it any longer so I left. How can people who call themselves Christians use an OBJECT as a point of contact or means of mediation to God? when my bible tells me that "Jesus Christ is our only mediator" and consequently, the only point of contact between Divinity and Humanity. PLEASE can any Penticostal Protestant who has ever knelt before his/her bible to pray prove to me that he/she has not practised Idolatry. Also can any Penticostal answer the following questions [1].Where is it in the bible that Christians should kneel and pray to (or before) their bible or scripture book? [2].Where is it in the bible that christians should use the bible or scroll as a point of contact or means of mediation between humanity and God. Finally can you prove to me that any Penticostal Protestant who kneels before his/her bible and prays before it is not an idol worshipper and I will prove to you that you don't have a bible talkless of knowing the meaning of [EXODUS20:4-5]. Thanks.

they may be trying to show respect to the word of God .

onatisi: they may be trying to show respect to the word of God .

By kneeling to the bible(an object), by praying to it, by worshipping it and by using it as a mediator between them and God. This is more than respect.

What sort of double standard hypocrisy is this?
You do the same thing with images of Mary and Jesus. Heck you even pray to Mary and make her out as the mediator between man and God. Just live and let live, you are no better than them.

inspiredbyGOD:.:
What sort of double standard hypocrisy is this?
You do the same thing with images of Mary and Jesus. Heck you even pray to Mary and make her out as the mediator between man and God. Just live and let live, you are no better than them.

gbam!!! Well said bro

inspiredbyGOD:.:
What sort of double standard hypocrisy is this?
You do the same thing with images of Mary and Jesus. Heck you even pray to Mary and make her out as the mediator between man and God. Just live and let live, you are no better than them.

and i remember correctly that you protestants insult catholics every week on nl, on the charge of idolatry. Atleast d catholic pray to a human being not an object.

inspiredbyGOD:.:
What sort of double standard hypocrisy is this?
You do the same thing with images of Mary and Jesus. Heck you even pray to Mary and make her out as the mediator between man and God. Just live and let live, you are no better than them.

Okay, now instead of you to blame Penticostal protestants for their Idolatry, you are blaming the Catholic Church. Who is now the hypocrite?.

Where are the vibrant penticostals protestants of Nairaland. Come and defend your faith. All you were taught is to attack and attack, come do some defending let me see how good you are with that.

Lovethywilbedon: Where are the vibrant penticostals protestants of Nairaland. Come and defend your faith. All you were taught is to attack and attack, come do some defending let me see how good you are with that.

Defend what exactly? And for the record, I am not a protestant or a pentecostal or whatever fancy name you come up with for anyone who does not subscribe to the catholic doctrine. You kneel down in front of Mary's image to pray and they knelt down in front of their bibles to pray. What is the difference between what you are both doing?

Ubenedictus: and i remember correctly that you protestants insult catholics every week on nl, on the charge of idolatry. Atleast d catholic pray to a human being not an object.

i am not a protestant (whatever that means). Most times, you need an object before you can feel any connection with God. What is the point of the rosary?

They don't have to do that to the bible it's a show of reverence even though its wrong . It's based on the pastor little understanding to display sacredness of the holy bible . That is not idolatory. The posture of kneeling down is not Idol worship either. It's only one of the gestures or positions in prayers. Jesus knelt down ,Paul' knelt down.. You don't labell every church by the practice of just one church. If you're not comfortable with a church system simply walk into another. But don't criticize

Ubenedictus: Atleast d catholic pray to a human being not an object.

When did the statue become a human being Kneeling and praying before a statue and kneeling and praying before a Bible, are both wrong, imo

And don't tar all pentecostal churches with the same brush

Joagbaje:
They don't have to do that to the bible it's a show of reverence even though its wrong . It's based on the pastor little understanding to display sacredness of the holy bible . That is not idolatory. The posture of kneeling down is not Idol worship either. It's only one of the gestures or positions in prayers. Jesus knelt down ,Paul' knelt down.. You don't labell every church by the practice of just one church. If you're not comfortable with a church system simply walk into another. But don't criticize

The TRUTH is begining to come out, and one of my objective of creating this thread is being fulfiled. Please NOTE the following STAEMENTS: [1]."It is a SHOW of REVERENCE". [2]."THAT is NOT IDOLATORY". [3]."The posture of KNEELING is NOT IDOLATORY". [4]."It is only ONE of the GESTURES or POSITIONS in PRAYER". On the other hand, I want you to know that I am glad to hear these words coming from a Non-Catholic. But we Catholics have been making EXACTLY the SAME STATEMENT over and over again, thousands upon thousands of time in the past, in defence of our "GESTURE or POSITION" of prayer but you Penticostals won't admit the TRUTH. I will bet my head that you protestants won't use these words if this thread is about "Catholics praying before a statue". Unfortunately, now I INVENTED a "LITERARY WORK" that will Perfectly, TURN THE TABLE AROUND, consequently, putting we Catholics on the offensive and you Protestants on the DEFENSIVE, guess what you used to defend yourself? "THE EXACT WORDS OF THE CATHOLICS" that you REJECTED countless number of times in the past. Therefore this is begging for the simple question, Is ANTI-CATHOLIC PROTESTANISM not the HIGHEST LEVEL of BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRISY in CHRISTENDOM?

Shebi na bible those pple they pray to, what of pple wey they pray to image of their G.O (e.g., Pastor Oyedepo)?

inspiredbyGOD:.:
Defend what exactly? And for the record, I am not a protestant or a pentecostal or whatever fancy name you come up with for anyone who does not subscribe to the catholic doctrine. You kneel down in front of Mary's image to pray and they knelt down in front of their bibles to pray. What is the difference between what you are both doing?

the thing is, protestants make catholics defend their practice every week on nl. Let penticostals do same.

inspiredbyGOD:.:
i am not a protestant (whatever that means). Most times, you need an object before you can feel any connection with God. What is the point of the rosary?

a counting bead.

Joagbaje:
They don't have to do that to the bible it's a show of reverence even though its wrong . It's based on the pastor little understanding to display sacredness of the holy bible . That is not idolatory. The posture of kneeling down is not Idol worship either. It's only one of the gestures or positions in prayers. Jesus knelt down ,Paul' knelt down.. You don't labell every church by the practice of just one church. If you're not comfortable with a church system simply walk into another. But don't criticize

so kneeling b4 an object is reverence not idolatry wow, wen catholics do same u guys scream "idolatry!!!" i say "hypocrisy"

Omo Alata:

When did the statue become a human being Kneeling and praying before a statue and kneeling and praying before a Bible, are both wrong, imo

And don't tar all pentecostal churches with the same brush

sorry my dear, catholics dont say "hey statue pray 4 me" they say " hail mary" dat shuld tell u that they dont pray to statues.

Lovethywilbedon: The TRUTH is begining to come out, and one of my objective of creating this thread is being fulfiled. Please NOTE the following STAEMENTS: [1]."It is a SHOW of REVERENCE". [2]."THAT is NOT IDOLATORY". [3]."The posture of KNEELING is NOT IDOLATORY". [4]."It is only ONE of the GESTURES or POSITIONS in PRAYER". On the other hand, I want you to know that I am glad to hear these words coming from a Non-Catholic. But we Catholics have been making EXACTLY the SAME STATEMENT over and over again, thousands upon thousands of time in the past, in defence of our "GESTURE or POSITION" of prayer but you Penticostals won't admit the TRUTH. I will bet my head that you protestants won't use these words if this thread is about "Catholics praying before a statue". Unfortunately, now I INVENTED a "LITERARY WORK" that will Perfectly, TURN THE TABLE AROUND, consequently, putting we Catholics on the offensive and you Protestants on the DEFENSIVE, guess what you used to defend yourself? "THE EXACT WORDS OF THE CATHOLICS" that you REJECTED countless number of times in the past. Therefore this is begging for the simple question, Is ANTI-CATHOLIC PROTESTANISM not the HIGHEST LEVEL of BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRISY in CHRISTENDOM?

good question!

Ubenedictus: the thing is, protestants make catholics defend their practice every week on nl. Let penticostals do same.

EXACTLY the reason why I created this thread. And so far, they have proved to be COWARDS, by accepting the Fact they rejected in the past. I just have one final simple question and Please I need an answer. [Q] Is it possible that a Protestant who pray before a Holy Book (Bible) can be criticising a Catholic who pray before a Holy Image (Statue of Christ) and not be a BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITE?.

The only key to making heaven is being born again, not being a protestant or being a catholic.
2. God is against use of images or bowing to any thing, we are only to bow in reverence to our lord jesus christ, and not his image.
3. We shouldn't classify a denomination as all protestants. There are many other churches which were founded and still remain in the knowledge of christ, but being a church member won't take anyone to heaven but by being born again
4. Its no surprise that there are 'fake' pastors around, the bible said some will come with false doctrines even among the circumscied, so brother, if there is a fake that means there is an original. The key is not to be distracted, and testing all spirits with the word of God. The idea of bowing down to the bible is not in the bible itself. As for the bible being a mediator, hmmm that is also not in my bible.

Kneeling before a bible is wrong!!!........kneeling before marys image is utter wrong too.......they are all wrong.......let us desist from such jejune and idolatrous practices...........smh!!!!..........

Have you finished?

What about kneeling before/to a mountain?

oyestephen: The only key to making heaven is being born again, not being a protestant or being a catholic.
2. God is against use of images or bowing to any thing, we are only to bow in reverence to our lord jesus christ, and not his image.
3. We shouldn't classify a denomination as all protestants. There are many other churches which were founded and still remain in the knowledge of christ, but being a church member won't take anyone to heaven but by being born again
4. Its no surprise that there are 'fake' pastors around, the bible said some will come with false doctrines even among the circumscied, so brother, if there is a fake that means there is an original. The key is not to be distracted, and testing all spirits with the word of God. The idea of bowing down to the bible is not in the bible itself. As for the bible being a mediator, hmmm that is also not in my bible.

I think you are correct in all you said exccept in No 2. God is not against the use of image, otherwise He would not have ordered the use of the image of a serpent to heal the islealites, or the use of the image of the Cherubins on the Ark of Covenant. What He is against is Idolatry ie the worship of image as in the case of the Golden Calf. God can't be against the use of image and come back to order its use. But it is obvious He is against idolatry since He has not ordered it to be practiced but have punished those who practiced it in the past.

ijawkid: Kneeling before a bible is wrong!!!........kneeling before marys image is utter wrong too.......they are all wrong.......let us desist from such jejune and idolatrous practices...........smh!!!!..........

Your Protestant brother said that "Kneeling" before a bible, is not Wrong but rather, it is a Posture or Position for Prayer. Personaly, I think he makes sence. Don't you think he is Right?

Lovethywilbedon: Your Protestant brother said that "Kneeling" before a bible, is not Wrong but rather, it is a Posture or Position for Prayer. Personaly, I think he makes sence. Don't you think he is Right?

not ijawkid,

italo: Have you finished?

What about kneeling before/to a mountain?

Lord have mercy...
Kneeling before a mountain? Are trying to say they believe the mountain represent God? Worshiping the work of God, and not God himself? Pure idolaters Smh for all this protestants...

As a non-denominational Christian, neither catholic nor protestant, let me give you an unbiased reply.

Note that Christ might have knelt before a rock or leaned on it while he prayed. Little little grasses must have grown before or around him while he prayed to his God.

He did not use any of these as a point of contact neither did he use them to remember God while he prayed. He worshiped God in spirit and in truth, the same way he instructed us to.

The protestants that revere and use bible as a point of contact are very wrong. Also the Catholics that fiercely worship idol by making image of things in heaven and using it as a point of contact are very wrong.

Boomark: As a non-denominational Christian, neither catholic nor protestant, let me give you an unbiased reply.

Note that Christ might have knelt before a rock or leaned on it while he prayed. Little little grasses must have grown before or around him while he prayed to his God.

He did not use any of these as a point of contact neither did he use them to remember God while he prayed. He worshiped God in spirit and in truth, the same way he instructed us to.

The protestants that revere and use bible as a point of contact are very wrong. Also the Catholics that fiercely worship idol by making image of things in heaven and using it as a point of contact are very wrong.

weytin b "a point of contact"? I usually hear the term when protestants are praying for the 'fruit of the womb".

Lovethywilbedon: I think you are correct in all you said exccept in No 2. God is not against the use of image, otherwise He would not have ordered the use of the image of a serpent to heal the islealites, or the use of the image of the Cherubins on the Ark of Covenant. What He is against is Idolatry ie the worship of image as in the case of the Golden Calf. God can't be against the use of image and come back to order its use. But it is obvious He is against idolatry since He has not ordered it to be practiced but have punished those who practiced it in the past.

Bro, lemme explain better. The decree to hang a serpent on a tree is purely symbolic to repesent the lord jesus christ..'John 3:14' even as moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up' and their looking up to the serpent for healing is better explained by this 'hebrews 12:2a looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. God uses earthly things to explain supernatural things. Eg God told abraham to sacrifice his only son then provided a lamb as replacement, that lamb symbolises Jesus to take our place on the cross. Noah's ark also symbolises the coming rapture..john 3:12 says 'if I told u earthly things, and you believe not,how shall you believe if I told you heavenly things. The fact that God used noah's ark to explain the rapture, does that mean we should worship the ark If an example is given to us, does that mean we should look at the example more than the exam, d example is just to understand the exam. God is totally against idolatry, remember he was angry when aaron and israel made a golden calf

Boomark: As a non-denominational Christian, neither catholic nor protestant, let me give you an unbiased reply.

Note that Christ might have knelt before a rock or leaned on it while he prayed. Little little grasses must have grown before or around him while he prayed to his God.

He did not use any of these as a point of contact neither did he use them to remember God while he prayed. He worshiped God in spirit and in truth, the same way he instructed us to.

The protestants that revere and use bible as a point of contact are very wrong. Also the Catholics that fiercely worship idol by making image of things in heaven and using it as a point of contact are very wrong.

First I love the way you entered, like the Serpent, not intending any harm. Claiming to be a member of a "NON-DENOMINATION" denomination, Then you promised to give an unbiased reply. Then finaly you did the opposite of what you promise. Please tell me you are not a HYPOCRITE and consequently one of them.

oyestephen:
Bro, lemme explain better. The decree to hang a serpent on a tree is purely symbolic to repesent the lord jesus christ..'John 3:14' even as moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up' and their looking up to the serpent for healing is better explained by this 'hebrews 12:2a looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. God uses earthly things to explain supernatural things. Eg God told abraham to sacrifice his only son then provided a lamb as replacement, that lamb symbolises Jesus to take our place on the cross. Noah's ark also symbolises the coming rapture..john 3:12 says 'if I told u earthly things, and you believe not,how shall you believe if I told you heavenly things. The fact that God used noah's ark to explain the rapture, does that mean we should worship the ark If an example is given to us, does that mean we should look at the example more than the exam, d example is just to understand the exam. God is totally against idolatry, remember he was angry when aaron and israel made a golden calf

If you actually read my comment well you know that both of us are saying Exactly the same thing.