Afam4eva: The first one is not bound to happen, so they'll become atheists for life. Even if it happens which is likely to be the end of the world, it will be too late.

Afam4eva: ^^ I've edited my post. I'll appreciate it if you edit it in your quoted message too. Thanks.

Afam4eva: The first one is not bound to happen, so they'll become atheists for life. Even if it happens which is likely to be the end of the world, it will be too late.

The second one has been happening. At least that's what we're made to believe. Though i've never experienced a live miracle before. Even if i do and i'm an atheist, i'll say the healed was not original deformed but planned with the pastor to deceive people.

There's nothing you would do to convince a hardcore atheists except God shows himself personally. Even if this happens, some might even argue that it's a projector that's been used.

MacDaddy01: Any of these two things will do

a) God shows himself in public and his essence seen/recorded by hundreds of people. No room for doubt
b) God heals an amputee whether by prayer or fasting or deliverance etc

MacDaddy01:


Wrong.

God can reveal himself but he doesnt care to

We have never seen a case of a regenerated limb

Afam4eva:
Yes, God can reveal himself if he wants to. But he doesn't want to. At least not yet. Why would he even want to reveal himself. What would he want to prove?

A jet liner flew through the sky one morning, as they often do.

In the cockpit, as there usually is, sat a pilot and his copilot. This pilot was one of the best in the business, and everyone knew him as a benevolent man. Suddenly, a warning light blinked on. The pilots looked at it for a moment before springing into action. Switches were pulled. Buttons were pressed. Power was rerouted. Flaps were adjusted.

Still the light stayed on.

More switches and more buttons were pressed.

Still the light stayed on.

Cursing broke out from the flight crew. Panels were kicked.

Still the light stayed on.

The controls were frozen. The plane was no longer under the pilot's control. Worse, a mountain loomed in the far distance. If something was not done, the plane would surely crash. There was a veritable frenzy of buttons and switches, but nothing worked.

The plane would crash.

The pilot knew this, and he knew that everyone must be evacuated before it happened. A parachute jump had to be made. He sent his copilot out to the cabin to break the news.

It was in the telling that something singular happened. When the copilot tried to speak, he found that he could only speak to the passengers in the front row. Thinking quickly, he gave his message of life and told them to pass it back to everyone, clear to the back of the plane.

This the first row did. They donned their parachutes and told the people behind them. These people put on their parachutes and told the people behind them. Those people put on their parachutes and told the people behind them.

That was where the problem arose. The people in this row had not seen the copilot come out. There was no reason to put on their parachutes for what may or may not be true, said they.

Luckily, one person in that row believed them. He passed it back to the row behind. The message did make it to the back of the airplane, but only a few people believed it. When the pilot turned on the security camera, he saw a sad sight. Only a few people had put on their parachutes.

"It's a shame," said he, "that they do not accept my message of life. This course of action will bring them death."

"Sir," said the copilot, "it is only because they do not believe mere hearsay. If you were to turn on the intercom to tell them, or go out yourself, everyone would believe you."

The pilot sadly shook his head. "If they do not believe those who are with them, they will not believe even if I tell them over the intercom."

The copilot nodded reluctantly. After all, the captain must know best. Suddenly he noticed something on the security camera.

"Look!" he said, trembling. "It's that famous terrorist we saw on the news the other night! And he's dressed as a flight attendant!"

The captain scowled darkly and turned on the camera's sound.

"... to worry about," said the terrorist. "It was a false alarm, and we should be arriving at our destination in about an hour."

Many of those wearing parachutes took them off.

"Captain!" shouted the co-pilot. "We have to do something! I can go back there and stop him."

But the captain only shook his head. "One day I will destroy that terrorist, but we must let him keep his free will for a time."

"Free will?" asked the copilot. "That's the most totally evil person on this plane, and maybe in the whole world! Surely we can sacrifice his free will to save all those people's lives!"

"No," said the captain sadly. "There will come a time, very soon, in which everyone will know the truth. They will have to jump. And those who did not believe my message will know that they were wrong, and they will perish."

"I know those things!" shouted the copilot frantically. "We must alert everyone to the danger, not just the faithful!"

"But we have," said the captain. The copilot was about to argue, but then decided to trust the benevolent captain to be right.

The moment of truth came. The captain finally burst out of the cabin.

"Everyone who has on a parachute must now jump!" Pandemonium struck the plane. The faithful sang songs of joy as they leapt to safety. Those who hadn't believed the captain scrambled to put them on, but there wasn't time. Just as the last of the parachutists jumped, the plane hit the mountain, and everyone still aboard was killed.

The pilot received a medal for his bravery, but only from the passengers themselves.

Afam4eva:
Yes, God can reveal himself if he wants to. But he doesn't want to. At least not yet. Why would he even want to reveal himself. What would he want to prove?

musKeeto:

Permission McDaddy to repost this parable from one of jayriginal's threads..

MacDaddy01: Any of these two things will do

a) God shows himself in public and his essence seen/recorded by hundreds of people. No room for doubt
b) God heals an amputee whether by prayer or fasting or deliverance etc

akin emma: Saying you will not believe that God exists until he shows himself in public shows the level of your thinking.You are trying to say only the things that you see exists.Were you not taught abstract noun in your primary school?Don't you know that it is not everything that exists you can see with your naked eyes?[size=18pt]Have you see bacteria before with your naked eyes?And does that mean that bacteria does not exists[/size]?You see how foolish your question is.Concerning the second question,i think since you want a proof,you will be the best person to use.Simply go and amputate your two legs,after that,inform me and i will pray for you.NOTE:IT IS ONLY A FOOL THAT SAYS GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

akin emma: Saying you will not believe that God exists until he shows himself in public shows the level of your thinking.You are trying to say only the things that you see exists.

Concerning the second question,i think since you want a proof,you will be the best person to use.Simply go and amputate your two legs,after that,inform me and i will pray for you.NOTE:IT IS ONLY A FOOL THAT SAYS GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

MacDaddy01:

lol......the IQ of the average Nigerian christian

akin emma: Your response shows you clearly have no answer to the question i asked.Let me ask you again,is it everything that exists you can see with your eyes?Or have you not heard of abstract noun before? Have you ever see oxygen in your entire life before?And does that mean there is nothing like oxygen?Well your answer just shows, the foolishness of an average atheist.

musKeeto:
How would you know a mad man?


Lol, in short, your God can't do it..

If you were so sure of your God's abilities, you'd be willing to be the guinea pig. Don't tell me those disciples were killed for nothing. They put their bodies where their 'faith' was...

MacDaddy01:

-Oxygen and bacteria can be seen. Microscopes and all
-Abstracts do not exist in the real world like numbers etc

MacDaddy01:





Let me help you with your ignorance.

-Oxygen and bacteria can be seen. Microscopes and all
-Abstracts do not exist in the real world like numbers etc

Goshen360:

akin emma: Have you personally see oxygen before?I am sure you have not,if so,why did you believe oxygen exists?

akin emma: Have you personally see oxygen before?I am sure you have not,if so,why did you believe oxygen exists?

akin emma: Have you personally see oxygen before?I am sure you have not,if so,why did you believe oxygen exists?

Shawnmayor: If u can visualise d presence of electrons, den God does not need to show himself

Logicboy03:

Is that a valid argument?

Logicboy03:

musKeeto:
Yes. All you need to do is visualise God, and cause him to exist. An atheist is one who has lots his 'GOD visualisation' power...

ijawkid:

So this is exactly what you literally see when you take in a deep breath??...........

KINGwax: I rili dnt like to argue abt atheist cos logically to me, they're one set of a joke!!!
1. They dnt biliv in religion, yet, they biliv in somethin: themselves!! How is dt not a religion? Oh!! because ur own God, science haven't said so? We all knw d only tn u wanna hear is science.

2. We all knw SUBMISSION is not a language for humans. Unless being guided by a law, we are so unruly. So, man will do anytn to rebel and please himself. Atheism is jes an opportunity to be excused from religion protocol!!
In as much as they detest religion, we still av testimonies of God's existence from around d world!!!

4. If they truly biliv in freedom, it shldnt be one part. They dnt wanna be caged, yet they follow protocols in offices and institutions!!!
They wanted us to free our mind but won't allow
us biliv in wot we wnted!!!

5. Why do they try to convince ppl into bilivin wot dey biliv in? Are they lookin for new converts?