ijawkid:

And who is this man??.....why should I believe all the hogwash he wrote??

ijawkid:

We disfellowship basically unrepentant wrongdeors.........hope you see the clause there..??.....UNREPENTANT.........

And the many who are disfellowshiped are those who have chosen to lead immoral lives incessantly.........

1 corinthians 5:9-13.......

italo:

My question was: is it true? (especially the bolded).

italo: Jehovah's Witnesses may be "disfellowshipped" for a variety of reasons, such as attending a Catholic or Protestant church or receiving a blood transfusion. Disfellowshipping is the sect’s equivalent of excommunication, though somewhat more harsh. A disfellowshipped Witness may attend Kingdom Hall, but he is not allowed to speak to anyone, and no one may speak to him. The others are to act as though he no longer exists. This applies even to his family, who may only communicate with him as much as absolutely necessary.

TRUE OR FALSE?

italo:

So the fervor that made your sect to lie that the world would end in 1975 is from God?

italo:

My question was: is it true?

Is it true that Charles Taze Russel (the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses) lied that Jesus would come back in 1914...and when we didnt see Jesus, he quickly lied again that Jesus had already come invisibly?

ijawkid:

We didn't lie,we only speculated.........being expectant...........I hope you know the difference.......what would we stand to gain if we lied??...were we going to make money from it??........we were only expectant....I don't see anything with being expectant of Gods kingdom........

Is there anything wrong mr italo??

italo: Before he got his religious career well underway, Charles Taze Russell promoted what he called "miracle wheat," which he sold at sixty dollars per bushel. He claimed it would grow five times as well as regular wheat. In fact, it grew slightly less well than regular wheat, as was established in court when Russell was sued. Later he marketed a fake cancer cure and what he termed a "millennial bean" (which a wag has said probably got that name because it took a thousand years to sprout).

Is this true?

ijawkid:

We didn't lie,we only speculated.........being expectant...........I hope you know the difference.......what would we stand to gain if we lied??...were we going to make money from it??........we were only expectant....I don't see anything with being expectant of Gods kingdom........

Is there anything wrong mr italo??

italo:

In his 1920 book titled Millions Now Living Will Never Die. Rutherford taught that the millennium would start in 1925, that the patriarchs; Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were going to return to earth physically. To help God out he built a large palatial Spanish mansion in San Diego, California for Abraham Isaac and Jacob to live in, he called it Beth-Sarim -House of Princes, and tried to deed it to King David.

Some quotes of anticipating this event “There will be no slip -up.... Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925” (WatchTower 10/15/1917, p. 6157)

“Beth Sarim was built in 1929 as proof that the resurrection would soon take place.” (Salvation p.311)

“The press has scoffed at Beth Sarim, but those faithful men of old will be back on earth before Armageddon ends.” (WatchTower 3/15/1937 p.86)

“Beth Sarim, built in 1930 is now held in trust for the occupancy of those princes on their return. “ (New World p.104)

“After 1925 expect shortly Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob…”(Way to Paradise p.224)”The undertakers will decorate these new rooms for the resurrected ones.” (ibid. p.228)

1925 came and went as do all their dates. When and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never showed up, Rutherford did not want to waste a perfectly good mansion so he moved into it himself and lived there until he died in 1942.

50 years later the Watchtower wrote “Beth Sarim was built for brother Rutherford’s use.” (1975 yearbook)

1975 YEARBOOK, p. 146: “The year 1925 came and went. Jesus' anointed followers were still on earth as a class. The faithful men of old times—Abraham, David and others—had not been resurrected to become princes in the earth. (Ps. 45:16) So, as Anna MacDonald recalls: '1925 was a sad year for many brothers. Some of them were stumbled; their hopes were dashed.... Instead of its being considered a “probability,” they read into it that it was a “certainty,” and some prepared for their own loved ones with expectancy of their resurrection.”

5 years later they commented “Considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975.... Statements published that implied that such realiza­tion of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted ... the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.” (Watchtower 3/15/1980, p. 17)

What the Jehovah’s Witness organization actually said, “Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old. . . (Millions now living will never Die , pp. 89-90)


These lies are from Jehovah's Witnesses authorized publications, arent they, Mr Ijawkid?

italo:


Which Bible did Russell and Rutherford use?

Didnt Knorr adulterate the Bible to suit your sect's heresies?

italo:

I dont know, maybe you can show us Schools Jehovah's Witnesses own.

Jesus did not put in 90 percent of his time into preaching. His active ministry was 3 out of his 33 years on earth.

Jesus was the son of a carpenter and I'm sure he helped his father with his work.

ijawkid:

Can you define what a lie is??......these guys only had on thing on there mind.......and that was keeping awake and being on the watch..........the truth is you are not doubting the chronology itself but the speculations and expectancy.............now that we understand better why don't you ask what we believe rather than paste from a site??............

When I take on you guys I go to the scriptures.........being expectant is not a sin.......if it is tell me......

Jesus as we know has been enthroned as king....bible prophecies has made the JW's know that,which in turn has made us ever alert.........

Russel wasn't lying...he was only doing more study.........I doubt if you noticed that.....

italo:

My question was: is it true? (especially the bolded).

italo: Jehovah's Witnesses may be "disfellowshipped" for a variety of reasons, such as attending a Catholic or Protestant church or receiving a blood transfusion. Disfellowshipping is the sect’s equivalent of excommunication, though somewhat more harsh. A disfellowshipped Witness may attend Kingdom Hall, but he is not allowed to speak to anyone, and no one may speak to him. The others are to act as though he no longer exists. This applies even to his family, who may only communicate with him as much as absolutely necessary.

TRUE OR FALSE?

italo: MORE LIES, DECEIT AND HERESIES FROM JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

“…Jehovah’s organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by Gods Holy Spirit or active force.” [b](Watch Tower p.402 Sept.1 1973)

“Avoid Independent Thinking .. How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization.” (Watchtower Jan. 15 1983 22)

Yet, Ijawkid would always crucify Catholics for submitting to Church teaching and for believing that God's Church is visible and organizational.


“It is easy for the established churches of Christendom and other people to criticize Jehovah's Witnesses because their publications have, at times, stated that certain things could take place on certain dates. But is not such line of action in harmony with Christ's injunction to 'keep on the watch'? ... But is it not far preferable to make some mistakes because of overeagerness to see God's purposes accomplished… ?” (Watchtower Dec 1 1984 17-

But here is what they said earlier: “Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874, A. D. according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it...” (Studies in The Scriptures vol.4 p.621 1897 (Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1905, p. 3576)

“The scriptures show that his second coming presence was due in 1874….This proof shows the Lord has been present since 1874…” (Watchtower.p.67, Mar.1, 1923)

“...we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914” (Watchtower founder, Charles Taze Russell, The Time is at Hand, p. 99).

“...the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced” (Ibid., p. 101).

If you are saying the Scripture are saying this and giving a date, is this not prophecy? If this prophecy had come to pass would it not mean it was true a prophecy?


“Reexamine ... Vol. 2, pages 246 and 247; change the 37 to 40, 70 to 73 and 1914 to 1918, and we believe it is correct and will be fulfilled 'with great power and glory.”' (Studies in the Scripture, Vol. 7, p. 62)

“This chronology is not of man but of God ... of divine origin ... absolutely and unqualifiedly correct.” (Watchtower 7/15/1922, p. 217)

“CAN IT BE DELAYED UNTIL 1914?...our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They say that they do not see how present conditions can last so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble” (Watch Tower, 15 July 1894, p. 226. p. 1677 reprints).

Gods dates means what?

ijawkid:

Once again they were expectant..............I see no reason why you have to kill yourself over this....I don't see how sincere hearted persons who are anticipating to see the patriarchs of old has now turned out to be a lie...........

I don't see how you tend to define misunderstandings as a LIE.....abi you no know the difference.....??........

ijawkid:

Once again they were expectant..............I see no reason why you have to kill yourself over this....I don't see how sincere hearted persons who are anticipating to see the patriarchs of old has now turned out to be a lie...........

I don't see how you tend to define misunderstandings as a LIE.....abi you no know the difference.....??........

italo:

Are you denying that Charles Taze Russell didnt say that Jesus would come back in 1914?

Are you also denying that he didnt say that Jesus had already come invisibly?

Did Jesus come in 1914 or not, Ijawkid?

beejaay:

WOW so PROPHESIES IS NOW EQUAL TO EXPECTANT FANTASIES (PROFESHY=FANTASY).

I don learn new thing today (always on NL)

italo:

Did you mention "sincere?"

You people make prophecies purportedly from God and they turn out to be false...

and you say you are "sincere"

Do you not know what "sincere" means?

ijawkid:

Who said prophecies was equal to expectant fantasies??.........

The koko here is be observant and see how world events unfold as the scriptures predicted....aren't we in the last days anymore??abi ona don forget??........

ijawkid:
ijawkid:

Once again they were expectant..........I don't see how sincere hearted persons who are anticipating to see the patriarchs of old has now turned out to be a lie...........

frosbel: Funny enough , many of the people who call JWs cults are even worse cults with worse doctrines of demons such as :

1. Pagan Trinity - removes God's individuality
2. Eternal torment - Slanders God's character and makes him worst than Hitler
3. Tithing - another doctrine of demons meant to make merchandise of the people of GOD
4. Word of Faith heresies
5. Strange and weird spiritual manifestations.
6. Worshiping MOG as gods

The list is too long.

I disagree with the JW on quite a number of doctrines, but stop this kettle calling a pot black nonsense.

amanda2013: hahahahahaha thats ryt. Everyday Catholic ths catholic that spearheaded by this same ijawkid ok na 2day d hunter has become the hunted!

beejaay:


Prophecy = the supposed ability to predict the future when inspired by a deity(Now how can something Divinly Inspired become espectation that could be true or false)
(predict with divine authority) (definition from Encarta Dico)

point to note is this; if its prophecies then it should be rock solid else it becomes a fallacy a step brother of fantasy QED

just trolling though

ijawkid:

Ahh........you guys are attacking speculations we've left behind us decades ago........abi ona want make we go back to
Can you and your ilks do that??

ijawkid:

Ahh........you guys are attacking speculations we've left behind us decades ago........abi ona want make we go back to
Can you and your ilks do that??

ijawkid:

Just on the other thread u introduced the trinity and hell fire dogma.....we engaged u,but u ran away.....how can I engage a fool like you that doesn't stay focused to discuss points........

Before you opened this thread you had not even discussed 1/10th of the issues you brought up on the other thread.......

And I should take you serious??

dokie:

doesnt your nwt bible have the portion where it says that he who calls his brother a fool shall answer for it in hell.

or you have a consolation while sinning because hell simply means blanking out or common mans grave and heaven is full already so you have nothing to worry about? even if one should accept that you made mistakes with other prophecies and teaching, for as long as those two remain, you guys are dancing the dance of death, and when the dance is complete, i hope you dont see the devil face to face.

this is totally absurd. how can anyone believe such falsehood? and still continues in such a group. what then is the motivation for holiness in a sin full world? i wont suffer for my sins and i wont experience glory for living rightously.

These are the real teachings of demons for all the devil wants to achieve is to provide motivation for sin and with JW, and sects like them and individuals like frosbel, he is spreading such demonic and satanic teachings in the world. Repent before it is too late. for if you continue spreading such demonic teachings you might not escape answering for it.
even if it is what you believe,believe it for yourself and keep the knowledge to yourself. dont go spreading it in the world, you are doing great harm to the gospel and you dont want to experience the consequencies of that.

dokie:

or you have a consolation while sinning because hell simply means blanking out or common mans grave and heaven is full already so you have nothing to worry about? even if one should accept that you made mistakes with other prophecies and teaching, for as long as those two remain, you guys are dancing the dance of death, and when the dance is complete, i hope you dont see the devil face to face.

this is totally absurd. how can anyone believe such falsehood? and still continues in such a group. what then is the motivation for holiness in a sin full world?