KidStranglehold: OMG!!! How the heck can I forget her!!!!

heavenly_nzinga:
[size=15pt]Queen Nzinga(Kongolese)[/size]


Nzinga was not kongo or never settle there only to help she was ndongo inside present day angola. Fought not exact 60 but about 40 year of hard fight for her and men.

Mrs.Chima:


It was that mandingo blood boo. Mandingo warriors are something fierce.

alanmwene:
Dessalines was a pure kongo man Like 9 out of 10 leaders of the haitian war of independance(toussaint,makaya,etc...).Toussaint was Fon by his father and kongo by his mother.The first haitian constitution was writen in kikongo!
http://www.blackpast.org/?q=gah/dessalines-jean-jacques-1758-1806
http://www.malakimakongo.net/
Dessalines was an absolute military genuis!

heavenly_nzinga: ^ ^ King kalydosos of makuria killed over 100,000 arabian in war and remove their head and to tie them by foot!

The great battle of the makurian plains 643 AD

heavenly_nzinga:
[size=15pt]Queen Nzinga(Kongolese)[/size]


Nzinga was not kongo or never settle there only to help she was ndongo inside present day angola. Fought not exact 60 but about 40 year of hard fight for her and men.

alanmwene:
Mbundus are one offshot of kongo people!The Ngola kingdom (like the loango and the luba kingdoms)started off as a result of Kongo in-fightings!

alanmwene:
Dessalines was a pure kongo man Like 9 out of 10 leaders of the haitian war of independance(toussaint,makaya,etc...).Toussaint was Fon by his father and kongo by his mother.The first haitian constitution was writen in kikongo!
http://www.blackpast.org/?q=gah/dessalines-jean-jacques-1758-1806
http://www.malakimakongo.net/
Dessalines was an absolute military genuis!

KidStranglehold:
Good post.

Agreed and Touassiants father was King named Gaou Guinou from what is modern day Benin.

But I think most Haitian slaves were from modern day Benin...A lot of the Haitian leaders brought body guards from Dahomey warriors(Benin) to Haiti.

RandomAfricanAm:

Yeah I recall after the earth quake benin offered students a place at the university stating that a lot of Haitians came from what is now called benin.

RandomAfricanAm:
@KidStranglehold -> BTW, did you get the introduction of US freestates post I made?

RandomAfricanAm:
I try to think of people most don't know anything/much about(And round up a good deal of info). I have 2 other queens(berber & akan), A woman from the bahammas, and a russian general in mind right now since the two above are knocked out. Though I might have a little more on tye. That said I suggest you go ahead and put up the siddi(you already have the info from a previous post)

After Senegal, and its 163 scholars, it was the turn of Benin to open the doors of its universities to 110 young Haitians. Benin had proposed last September to welcome scholarship students in its universities. However, this agreement took time to materialize because of some antecedents in cases of scholarships between the two countries. ...[


]..."We required that the government of Benin is committed in an agreement between the State of Benin and the Haitian state which specifies the conditions under which will be received, trained, fed and housed Haitian nationals through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs before accepting these scholarships."

Benin has officially responded positively to these demands and signing an agreement with the Haitian State to receive, accommodate, and provide to 110 young Haitians the framework for their higher education:

In mid October, 2012 La Francophonie summit was held in the Democratic Republic of Congo. During the summit, the President of Benin, Boni Yayi, met with the Haitian President Michel Martelly to discuss the possibility of cooperation between the two countries. President Yayi stated that Benin is “with Haiti” and wants to help with the development of the country. The two Presidents are considering a summit in order to lay out the terms of cooperation to help Haiti with development and policy.

In 2010, Benin signed an agreement with the Haitian State to provide scholarships to Haitian students and provide them with a higher education in Administrative Sciences, Economic and Financial Sciences, Biological and Environmental Sciences, Human and Social Sciences, or Science and Technology. President Martelly and President Yayi discussed the students and the program during the summit.

RandomAfricanAm: The russian general seemed to be more of an intellectual(...in Paris to study engineering and mathematics at a military school. Two years later, he joined the French army and fought in the war against Spain....) then a fighter though he earned the title of captin durning the war. It's hard to find data on what he did during the war. At a latter point he became a general.

RandomAfricanAm:
The women from the bahammas will take a while because I don't actualy know who she is. I just recall the story and wanted to look it up and share it. The esyest ones whould be the akan and berber queens.

RandomAfricanAm:
Also both senegal and benin offered students a place at thier universities.

Haiti - Benin : 110 Haitian scholars will make their studies in Benin
28/12/2010 08:43:41





Benin and Haitian President Discuss Future Cooperation
Posted on April 8, 2013

KidStranglehold:

Hmmm....Interesting.

I thought Senegal was the only one. Thanks.

alanmwene:
Mbundus are one offshot of kongo people!The Ngola kingdom (like the loango and the luba kingdoms)started off as a result of Kongo in-fightings!
@kais
Queen zinga versus 10000Ya Asantewas would be a more balanced contest!

heavenly_nzinga:

Loango were offshot of bakongo people, luba was patrilineal society. Ndongo were a tributary state to kongo only much like kuba kingdom had many. To mark nzinga kongo is not correct how ever she may well had kinship into kongo kingdom.

Yaa asntewaa was good warrior herself.

alanmwene:
Nzinga Nkuwu===>King of Kongo
Nzinga Mbade=====>Muchino(queen) Nzinga
Does that rings bells?
There never was a Ngola kingdom.Ngola/Ngolo just means strong.Used as a title,it means leader!
If lubas are so different from kongos,how can you explain that lubas and loangos are almost exactly the same in everything including names,traditions,etc....?Whereas kongo names usually start with a "ki"(kikaya,kikadidi,.....),lubas and loangos names use exentensively the "chi"(chikaya,chisekedi,chibambe,......). The chikumbi which is a sacred tradition of the lubas is also found exactly the same in the loangos. Hoe ca you account for these facts?

Just stopping it before it starts

alanmwene:
Nzinga Nkuwu===>King of Kongo
Nzinga Mbade=====>Muchino(queen) Nzinga
Does that rings bells?
There never was a Ngola kingdom.Ngola/Ngolo just means strong.Used as a title,it means leader!
If lubas are so different from kongos,how can you explain that lubas and loangos are almost exactly the same in everything including names,traditions,etc....?Whereas kongo names usually start with a "ki"(kikaya,kikadidi,.....),lubas and loangos names use exentensively the "chi"(chikaya,chisekedi,chibambe,......).The chikumbi which is a sacred tradition of the lubas is also found exactly the same in the loangos.Hoe ca you account for these facts?

alanmwene: Are you sure you are talking about me?Where did I called you names?

heavenly_nzinga:

Forgive that alanwene I rarely pay attention to post that are not direct at me and so did not see random post on "how"

RandomAfricanAm:

Another thing to realize is that the kongo had been fighting with/for europeans for a loooooong time(since cross bows and pikes) prior to leaving the continent. Similar to ethiopia where they had been fighting with the portuguese against the ottomans and somalis so when the italians invaded they were well aware of what the deal was and what they needed to do.

heavenly_nzinga:

Who say lubas "are so different from kongo" what I did say was queen nzinga was not kongo as people do not recognize her as such. First you cant be a queen or king out only thin air. Ngola/Ngolo is ruler ndongo is state. If there was no kingdom of ndongo why is the portuguese coming to to do business with him for slaves? Why him? Why mbandi the brother out of all those? If he is king then what is he king over? Queen nzinga was know by many names just not nzinga such with dona anna de sousa does it mean she now kinship with portugese too? This is not say mubundu did not have the cultural tie with kongo but worth to point out ethnology study of the mbundu places them close south to ovimbundu than bakongo peoples.

alanmwene:
Nzinga Nkuwu===>King of Kongo
Nzinga Mbade=====>Muchino(queen) Nzinga
Does that rings bells?
There never was a Ngola kingdom.Ngola/Ngolo just means strong.Used as a title,it means leader!
If lubas are so different from kongos,how can you explain that lubas and loangos are almost exactly the same in everything including names,traditions,etc....?Whereas kongo names usually start with a "ki"(kikaya,kikadidi,.....),lubas and loangos names use exentensively the "chi"(chikaya,chisekedi,chibambe,......).The chikumbi which is a sacred tradition of the lubas is also found exactly the same in the loangos.Hoe ca you account for these facts?

KidStranglehold: [size=15pt]The Attack on the "Negro Fort"[/size]
By the spring of 1816 there were more than
300 people living on farms that extended for
miles up the Apalachicola River from the
"Negro Fort." Most were occupied by African
Americans, many of whom had escaped
from slavery in the United States or Spanish
Pensacola.

The well-defended colony of free blacks
offered a natural refuge for individuals fleeing
the forced labors of slavery. As might be
expected, this original "Underground
Railroad" was not viewed favorably by the
U.S. Government. Gen. Edmund P. Gaines
was authorized to move against the fort.

Under orders from Gaines, a battalion from
the 4th Infantry Regiment moved down the
Chattahoochee River from Fort Mitchell in
Alabama and established new posts at Fort
Gaines and Camp Crawford (later Fort Scott)
in Georgia. These new posts provided bases
for a move against the "Negro Fort."

Supplies and artillery for the new forts were
sent via the Gulf of Mexico on two schooners
escorted by U.S. Navy Gunboats #149 and
#154 and Clinch started downstream from
Camp Crawford with 116 men in boats.

When the ships arrived in Apalachicola Bay
they sent a party of sailors into the mouth of
the river for fresh water. The sailors, however,
were attacked by men from the "Negro Fort"
in what became known as the "Watering
Party Massacre."

Reinforced by a large party of U.S.-allied
Creek warriors under the Coweta chief Major
William McIntosh, Clinch surrounded the fort
and demanded its surrender. The garrison
responded by opening fire with their artillery.

On the morning of July 27, 1816, the U.S.
gunboats moved within range of the fort and
opened fire. Cannon fire was returned from
the fort and a brief but intense battle followed.

After firing four shots to test the range, the
sailors loaded their guns with "hot shot"
(cannonballs heated until they were red hot).

The fifth shot overall and the first hot shot
fired by the American vessels sailed over the
wall of the fort and into an open door in the
magazine. The entire "Negro Fort" was blown
to bits in the blink of an eye.

"The explosion was awful and the scene
horrible beyond description," Col. Clinch
reported a short time later. The death toll was
horrendous.

Of the 320 men, women and children in the
fort when the attack began, 270 were killed
and many others were horribly wounded.

Stunned by the devastation and horror, the
soldiers tried to assist the wounded as best
they could. The commander or sergeant
major of the fort was a man named Garcon.
He had been severely wounded in the blast
but was captured alive, as was a refugee
Choctaw chief. Both were instantly executed
by McIntosh's warriors.

The few survivors of the explosion were
carried upstream to Camp Crawford (Fort
Scott) by Clinch and notices posted so their
former "owners" could come to that post and
claim them. The artillery and other supplies
were seized over the objections of Spanish
officers who arrived in Apalachicola Bay a
short time later.
Source:
http://www.exploresouthernhistory.com/fortgadsden3.html

Seriously...After doing some more research on this topic. I now 1,000% know that the civil war had nothing to do with ending slavery, but the fact that there were so many slave rebellions that the US government couldn't country slavery and so they just ended to prevent more chaos. Like the narrator said in the Gullah wars video. It all makes sense...

*Kails*:


Thats because white ppl (the socalled historians) want us to believe not only did our history begin with enslavement but that we needed them for everything including necessities such as food, clothing, shelter, deliverance, salvation, and that "rewarded us" through emancipation. Lol.

All lies...our ancestors have proven that they were some of the strongest ppl to have ever walked the earth both physically and mentally. Despite the brutal treatment they remained defiant, rebellious, and held onto whatever they could from their homelands. They let go of the tribal divisions the left in africa and fought along side one another as brothers.

Yeah some fell by the way side (uncle toms) but the resilience many others had and how generations later we are still here speaks volumes.

The american education system do not want our children to see that they came from people who went through it all and still had time to pray, to live, and when necessary to fight. The sad thing is when our history was recorded most blacks were illiterate so they could not challenge what was recorded thus the misconception that the only time black men have spilled white blood in america was through the civil war to fight for confederates and unionists (both sides which didnt give a fuuuck about them...esp. not lincoln)....truth is they were always fighting. Not all of the rebellions were brutal...and most werent a success but the point is they went down knowing they may not succeed but wanted to make it known, they were not cowards..and they believed in their right to live and be free.

I just wish all of us carib, aa, and latinos knew what we came from , how rich our history is to make it a mission to honor our forefathers by cleaning up our acts and rebelling against the system by way of education and utilizing the rights they,died for in order for us to obtain.

*Kails*:


Thats because white ppl (the socalled historians) want us to believe not only did our history begin with enslavement but that we needed them for everything including necessities such as food, clothing, shelter, deliverance, salvation, and that "rewarded us" through emancipation. Lol.

All lies...our ancestors have proven that they were some of the strongest ppl to have ever walked the earth both physically and mentally. Despite the brutal treatment they remained defiant, rebellious, and held onto whatever they could from their homelands. They let go of the tribal divisions the left in africa and fought along side one another as brothers.

Yeah some fell by the way side (uncle toms) but the resilience many others had and how generations later we are still here speaks volumes.

The american education system do not want our children to see that they came from people who went through it all and still had time to pray, to live, and when necessary to fight. The sad thing is when our history was recorded most blacks were illiterate so they could not challenge what was recorded thus the misconception that the only time black men have spilled white blood in america was through the civil war to fight for confederates and unionists (both sides which didnt give a fuuuck about them...esp. not lincoln)....truth is they were always fighting. Not all of the rebellions were brutal...and most werent a success but the point is they went down knowing they may not succeed but wanted to make it known, they were not cowards..and they believed in their right to live and be free.

I just wish all of us carib, aa, and latinos knew what we came from , how rich our history is to make it a mission to honor our forefathers by cleaning up our acts and rebelling against the system by way of education and utilizing the rights they,died for in order for us to obtain.