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Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 9:02am On Apr 12, 2008
I saw an advert in one of the dailies 2 days ago. Ministry of interior incharge of Police, Civil Defence, Immigration and Prison services wants to employ. They stated in the advert that Bsc holders will be taken in their superintendant cadre while HND and ND holders will be taken as Inspectors and assistant Inspectors respectively. what manner of discrimination is this?? Coming from the same Federal Government that claims HND and Bsc holders are given equal treatment in terms of FG emploment. I wonder what they want employers in the private sector to do to HND holders if they can do this. What do you guys have to say about this discrimination coming from those who are suppose to fight against it.

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Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by zebra(m): 1:39pm On Apr 12, 2008
Someone should please call them to order; it is very wrong. It shows clearly that HND and Bsc are not equivalent. But i thought FG said HND and BSc should be at par in terms of employment and job progression??
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by DisGuy: 1:48pm On Apr 12, 2008
perhaps someone should right to them or call them to make sure it is not a mistake
at least if they have made they (FG) say they are equal then they shouldnt be putting
out advert that contradicts their directive

If you want to take it further you should cut and post the advert to the ministry of
education and labour to get a clarification


All these if you have time obviously,
I doubt the have anybody replying to enquiries
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ndelta1(m): 12:54pm On Apr 13, 2008
Let the view be relay in the dallies and may be paid advert , i will in my own strength write a letter to some dallies, this is bad
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 3:44pm On Apr 14, 2008
Honestly people concern need to stand up and fight against it, else this discrimination against holders of HND will never stop in this country.

@HND-holder, where are you please??

With what is going on now i have now come to agree that HND is not equivalent to Bsc in Nigeria, else Federal Government will not be discriminating. They have so decieved many to do HND that it is equivalent to a Degree. They even ask HND graduates to go for NYSC with Degree holders; but at the end of the day they still term you as a decorated monkey; and a decorated monkey can never be a human being as we all know, it is still a monkey. That is exactly what i feel and believe about this discrimination against HND holders in Nigeria. Chei, na wa oo. Run away from HND my brothers and sisters.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 4:47pm On Apr 25, 2008
@HND-holder
HND-holder where are u?? what do you have to say about this??
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by bsanya(f): 8:03pm On May 01, 2008
it is better 4 FG yo cancelled Polytechnic cos they are given we HND holders serious headache.d dog in my house wil neva go to Poly any
longer
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by brosdee: 4:10pm On May 07, 2008
Oh oh o
ooooo,it is sad that Obasanjo did not complete his Education reform.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by donmayor(m): 7:43pm On May 07, 2008
zebra:

Someone should please call them to order; it is very wrong. It shows clearly that HND and Bsc are not equivalent. But i thought FG said HND and BSc should be at par in terms of employment and job progression??
Is it a law or FG just said?
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 7:02pm On May 16, 2008
donmayor:

Is it a law or FG just said?

My brother that's a good question o. it was just a mere say o; no body has passed any law.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 9:31am On May 21, 2008
@ Ishmael

holders of HND are not the same as their counterparts from the universities

House Throws out Bill on Degree/HND Disparity
From Stanley Nkwazema in Abuja, 05.21.2008



House of Representatives yesterday threw out a bill, seeking removal of the civil service disparity in the treatment of University Degree holders and Higher  National Diploma (HND) holders.
The  bill, sponsored by Honourable  Ini Udo from Akwa Ibom State, and seconded by Honourable Ekpo Ekperikpe, also from  Akwa Ibom,  was  debated by the lawmakers for 30 minutes, and duly set aside after majority of the lawmakers  adduced reasons to justify the disparity.
Honourable Abbas Braimoh,  while arguing against the bill, said “having done a cerebral dissection of the course content of universities and polytechnics as regards my profession, engineering, I have noticed that the polytechnics’ course content is technical, while that of the university is both technical and involves design, which to me is the core and fundamental aspect of engineering.
So with all due respect,  holders of HND are not the same as their counterparts from the universities.”  Other members who supported the argument also argued along the same line,  insisting that the prayers of the Bill were unnecessary. 
The bill was first brought to the floor of the House in 2007, but could not be taken for political exigencies.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 4:41pm On May 22, 2008
Case closed. No point arguing over HND and Bsc again. Government should do Nigerians a favour by abolishing polytechnics and HND certificate.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 4:46pm On May 22, 2008
You can see why I kept quiet
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 5:07pm On May 22, 2008
Last saturday this minister claimed No discrimination that he is an HND holder. He want to be quoted.

A PUBLICATION OF THE OFFICE OF THE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY 20 AUGUST 2007 Vol 2 No. 34 Page 2

Dr. Jerry Anthony Agada (Minister of State 1) Dr. Jerry Anthony Agada obtained a diploma in Commerce from Kaduna Polytechnic in 1973 as well as a Technical Teachers Certificate in Commerce of the Technical Teachers College, Yaba, Lagos in 1974. He proceeded to the University of Exeter (MARJONS) Plymouth, UK in 1981 where he obtained a Bachelor of
Education Degree. Dr. Agada also holds a Master of Commerce in Marketing from University of Strathclyde, Glasgow Scotland. Dr. Agada’s Ph.D is in Public Sector Management from Staton University, Florida in 2003. He also holds a
certificate in Managing, Contracting and Partnership for Service Delivery University of Birmingham (School of Public Policy) in October, 2003.

The Minister of State’s working career took him through Government College Keffi and
Government College Makurdi as a teacher of Business Education. He rose through the rank
to become the Principal of Government College Makurdi from 1988 – 1992. Dr. Agada
became Principal (Special Grade) in Government College, Utonkon (1993 – 1996). He was
the Executive Secretary, Benue State Examination Board (1996 – 1999) and then Permanent
Secretary in four Ministries in Benue State as follows: Ministry of Information, Youth, Sports
and Culture (1999 – 2000); Ministry of Education (2000 – 2001);Ministry of Local
Government and Chiefetaincy Affairs (2001 – 2006) and Bureau of Political Affairs
(February, 2006 – September, 2006). He voluntarily retired from the Benue State Civil
Service in September, 2006 and was the PDP Gubernatorial Aspirant for Benue State during
the December, 2006 primaries.
Dr. Agada has some publications to his credit.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 5:10pm On May 22, 2008
[b]Let the world Judge, Guardian was RIGHT[/b]GUARDIAN
September 28, 2007

[b]Disturbing signals from Education Ministry[/b]From The Great Prophet Abubakar, Abuja

DISTURBING signals are beginning to emerge from the Federal Ministry of Education. Since the appointment of the trio of Dr. Igwe Aja-Nwachukwu (Minister), Dr Jerry Anthony Agada (Minister of State) and Mrs Aishat Jibril Dukku (Minster of State 2), no one is sure in which direction the education sector is turning.

It appears that the cabal, which former Education Minister, Mrs Oby Ezekwesili dismantled has re-grouped. The members of that cabal, badly bruised by Ezekwesili's various reforms, have since taken over the control of the Ministry, and have been having a ball in the new policy direction.

The various pronouncements made by Aja-Nwachukwu, since he became Minister give the impression that some old scores are simply being settled. For an individual who was a Senior lecturer at the Abia State University, and had verged into politics before his appointment, Nwachukwu is not sufficiently experienced about the dirty politics of the Federal Ministry of Education, and has, so far, played into the hands of those with a hidden agenda.

Nwachukwu is the seventh Minister of Education to be appointed since 1999. All the former Ministers spent far less than three years. At each point, all the Ministers tried to introduce some reform at the ministry, famous for inefficiency, contract awards, ineptitude and corruption. But each time, one obstacle or the other had prevented such reforms, until Ezekwesili took over in June 2006.

Driven by passion and the determination to make the best use of the less than one year that she had, Ezekwesili confronted the hydra headed problems at the Ministry on all fronts, taking decisive actions to the amazement of those who never thought such changes were possible. Of course, she made some mistakes along the way, but many of those who were affected had been part of the rot that had been entrenched at the Ministry over a very long period.

But Nwachukwu, who clearly does not have the full knowledge yet of the politics of the Ministry, has been dismantling the structures erected by his predecessor as advised, with no viable alternative being put in place.

First action: On August 31, Aja-Nwachuku had, through his media aides, reversed some appointments made by the former Minister before her departure to Washington DC to assume office as the Vice-President (African Region) of the World Bank. Some of the appointments reversed included that of the Executive Secretary of the Universal Basic Education Commission (UBEC), Dr. Lami Taiwo, who was removed to pave the way for Dr. Ahmed Modibbo The Great Prophet, erstwhile Director/Chief Executive of the National Teachers' Institute, (NTI), Kaduna.

Similarly, the Executive Secretary of the Education Trust Fund (ETF), Mr. Mustapha Abba Jaji, who was barely one year into his second term as the chief executive was removed and replaced with Prof. Mahmoud Yakubu a lecturer from the Nigerian Defence Academy (NDA), Kaduna.

The appointment of Dr. Amodu as the chief executive of UBEC by Ezekwesili was a result of her claims that UBEC had been overwhelmed by corruption. And she reiterated this while handing over to her successor recently, revealing that she had been pursuing the case at the Independent Corrupt Practices and Other Related Offences Commission (ICPC).

The Commission itself had claimed to have uncovered about N3.6 billion fraud at the UBEC. The anti-graft agency, acting under the powers of section 6 (a-d) of ICPC 2000 Act, carried out a study of the activities of UBEC, during which it discovered irregularities in the disbursements of funds meant for some projects.

Dr. The Great Prophet has pledged to tackle cases of corrupt practices involving the staff of UBEC at the handing over ceremony, but how he intends to go about it remains to be seen. The only problem with the appointment of Amodu by Ezekwesili at that time, was that she had a number of superior officers ahead of her, one of whom should have been appointed at UBEC, according to civil service rules.

Then, Aja-Nwachukwu reversed, last month, the consolidation of the tertiary institutions. Under the arrangement, which was anchored by Prof. Yakubu, all the Federal Polytechnics in Nigeria, except Kaduna Polytechnic and Yaba College of Technology, were to be merged with adjoining Federal Universities within their areas of operation. The idea, which caused an uproar, was meant to make polytechnics degree-awarding institutions to mitigate the continued discrimination against the Higher National Diploma (HND) holders.

And now, Aja Nwachukwu has again, reversed the policy on unity schools.

In a statement, the Chief Press Secretary to the Minister, Mr. Timothy Akpoili quoted the minister as announcing that the decision followed the meeting he held with the Schools Management Organizations (SMOs), which pre-qualified and bided to be allowed to run the schools in April this year.

In reversing the policy, the Minister was quoted by the spokesman as having expressed misgivings at the "manner and rush" in which the PPP arrangement was put in place, "which did not give room for consideration of wider views on how best the schools could be efficiently and effectively managed even as the arrangement threatened public interests".

According to him, while it was agreeable that the major problem facing the schools was that of management, which the PPP initiative was aimed at solving, the arrangement did not take into consideration the legal and technical framework or define the percentage risk the SMOs should bear.

"It is an open ended agreement", he had said, adding that the ministry would soon convoke a wider stakeholders' meeting where views on how best to run the unity schools would be arrived at.
But Aja-Nwachukuw has not visited any of the Unity schools since he assumed office to verify the various documents put together by his predecessor, nor has he provided an alternative in the quick manner as he has now dismantled the existing order.

Before the suspension of the Public-Private Partnership (PPP) initiative, the Federal Government was to provide policy directive and finances, while the private sector people would carry out the day-to-day running of the colleges. This was with a view to restoring the institutions to their past glory.

In giving out the colleges to the interested groups after a publicly pre-qualified bidding on April 25, this year, the Ministry had chosen some SMOs to run the colleges, based on laid down criteria by the ministry.

What is not in doubt is the fact that the new set of ministers, since their assumption of office in July seem to be under pressure by some forces to reverse some of the policies which really did not go down well with their personal interests.

Aja-Nwachuku, in a chanced meeting with education reporters in his office about two months ago, had given a hint about his plan to "reform the reform". He has, so far, curiously, refused to give details.

The execution of the PPP itself has been a subject of controversy, from its conception to implementation, when the management of the unity schools was subjected to public domain. Indication that the policy would run into stormy waters emerged early in the life of the present administration. The National Chairman of the ruling Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), Col. Ahmadu Ali is one of those that have openly criticised the policy.

However, the UCOSA, under which auspices the old students of Unity Colleges won the right to manage 50 out of the 100 unity colleges in the country, also faulted the Minister's claims that the policy on the Unity schools was "rushed."

In a chat with The Guardian, Mr. Dauda Ndirpaya Iliya, the Chief executive Officer (CEO) of Pro-Unitate Forum said, on the contrary, the exercise was publicly advertised and open pre-qualification carried out transparently and honestly. "With the suspension of the PPP, the administration has taken that vital sub-sector of education backward for several years and has paved the way for the forces that have been retarding the development of secondary school education in the country to flourish.

"The latest development is very unfortunate and a clear signal of the lack of continuity of policies that have been the development in this country. The action will, lead, once again to rot in the sector and the modest achievements recorded in the past few months are now being reversed. This is moreso, when the current leadership in the ministry has no alternative, they are dismantling what has been put in place by the previous administration. In-fact, it is akin to throwing away the baby with the bath water".
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 1:09pm On May 23, 2008
@HND-holder

The best solution is for polytechnic lecturers to go on strike while the students protest. This is rubbish. Na wa o, don't we have people with HND certificate in the house of assembly?? Why can't they stand up and defend the polytechnic/HND curriculum?? who says polytechnic curriculum in engineering is only Technical?? It's not true; it is both technical, theoretical and contains design too. What about other fields like acountancy, architecture, surveying, computer science, statistics, estate mgt etc; are they also only technical without theory??
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 1:26pm On May 23, 2008
NSE & COREN KILL the bill.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 1:06pm On May 27, 2008
Hnd-holder:

NSE & COREN KILL the bill.

That is why i like ICAN, where HND and Bsc holders are made to sit and write the same exams to see who is actually an Accountant.

If NSE and COREN feel HND engineers are only Technically-oriented, it does nt mean that other fields are like that. Are polytechnic Accountancy graduates only technically-oriented??
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 3:17pm On May 27, 2008
. http://www.ican-ngr.org/31_acaholder.htm
ACA Holders without University Education
In Nigeria and most parts of the world, employers of labour now discriminate against chartered accountants that do not possess any university education on grounds that the professional training they received is restricted and parochial. In a global business environment, resource managers must necessarily possess broad-based knowledge which only the university curricula can provide.
ACA with Degrees and ACA with HNDs
Although, the holder of a Bachelor's degree in accountancy from an accredited University and a holder of the Higher National Diploma from an accredited Polytechnic enjoy the same rating in ICAN's scheme of things, many employers of labour, including practicing firms, are now known to prefer degree holders to HND holders. The samples of adverts above did not mention the HND although one of them said a degree or its equivalent awarded by a reputable university! It is a known fact that no university in Nigeria awards any HND. Thus, their preference is unambiguous. In fact, the career path of the polytechnic holder in the public service has an unofficial bar according to an investigation conducted by The Guardian newspaper . According to the report, while the HND holder can rise to Grade level 13 or USS 12, the graduate can rise to Grade level 14 or USS 13. It added that some new generation banks have a policy of not recruiting HND holders at all. Discrimination against holders of the higher national diploma qualification is a serious indictment of our undue knack for certificates considering the impressive profile and success stories of many of our members who graduated from the polytechnics.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 10:27am On May 28, 2008
@HND-holder

why can't one or some of the senators move a motion for the scrapping of HND in Nigeria?? The HND issue is really a serious problem to Nigerians. Let them abolish HND and allow people to hear word i beg.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 8:23am On May 30, 2008
FG shelves conversion of polytechnics to universities
Tribune 23.05.2008

The Federal Government said on Thursday in Abuja that it had shelved the planned conversion of polytechnics into universities. ``Our new direction is to make Polytechnics and Colleges of Education first degree awarding institutions.


``The consolidation of contiguous tertiary institutions has been suspended because of the uniqueness of polytechnics to national development,'' said Dr Aja Nwachukwu, the Education Minister.


Nwachukwu, who announced this at a news conference, said government had resolved to strengthen the institutions, to make them concentrate on their primary mandate.


``We decided to strengthen the polytechnic education and make the institutions concentrate on their primary mandate and increase access to tertiary education,'' he said.


Nwachukwu said government planned to phase out Higher National Diploma (HND) and replace it with Bachelor of Technology, as the institutions matured.


Colleges of Education (COE), he emphasised, would be upgraded to award Bachelor of Education (B.Ed) in addition to National Certificate in Education (NCE).


Nwachukwu said Junior Secondary Schools had also been restored in unity colleges, in compliance with the Universal Basic Education (UBE) law.


``We have decided to bring back the JSS National Examinations Council (NECO) has been mandated to conduct entrance examination for JSS 1 students for 2008/2009 academic year,'' he said.


Nwachukwu said the concession of the schools to private operators had also been halted. “They are visible evidence of federal presence in many localities, giving them out negates these objectives,” he said.


``We also discovered that there was no risk-sharing arrangement in the plan. ``The operators would have been given money to run the schools, rather than they investing their resources, '' he said.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 8:36am On May 30, 2008
FG may phase out HND, NCE certificates
By Victor Sam
Published: Thursday, 29 May 2008
As part of its plan to reform the tertiary education the Federal Government has begun moves to gradually phase out the Higher National Diploma and the National Certificate of Education.

This is coming barely a week after the House of Representatives threw out a motion seeking to harmonise the HND and NCE with the Bachelor’s Degree awarded by universities.

Also, the federal government has restored the junior secondary level at all Federal Unity Colleges, which were phased out by the last administration.

It, therefore, mandated the National Examination Council to conduct entrance examination into JSS in all FUCs beginning this 2008/09 academic session.

The Minister of Education, Dr Igwe Aja-Nwachuku, stated these on Wednesday during a ministerial press briefing to mark the administration’s one year in office.

According to the Minister, government would strengthen the Polytechnics and COEs and make them first degree awarding institutions with the award of Bachelor of Technology and Bachelor of Education respectively.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 5:36pm On May 30, 2008
@HND-holder

Let dem abolish HND please and allow polytechnics to be awarding BTech. NCE has no problem as far as i'm concern.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 11:37am On Jun 09, 2008
THE RED LIGHT SIGNALS FOR THE POLYTECHNIC EDUCATION AND HND IN NIGERIA
Disturbing signals are beginning to emerge, as discrimination against holders of the higher national diploma qualification is becoming a serious indictment of our undue knack for certificates considering the impressive profile and success stories of many graduates from the polytechnics.
The likes of Educational minister (Minister of State 1)openly claimed that he was once in the polytechnic. Dr. Jerry Anthony Agada obtained a diploma in Commerce from Kaduna Polytechnic in 1973 as well as a Technical Teachers Certificate in Commerce of the Technical Teachers College, Yaba, Lagos in 1974. He proceeded to the University of Exeter (MARJONS) Plymouth, UK in 1981 where he obtained a Bachelor of Education Degree. Dr. Agada also holds a Master of Commerce in Marketing from University of Strathclyde, Glasgow Scotland. Dr. Agada’s Ph.D is in Public Sector Management from Staton University, Florida in 2003. He also holds a certificate in Managing, Contracting and Partnership for Service Delivery University of Birmingham (School of Public Policy) in October, 2003.
He did not have HND as he claimed on the NTA Newsfile of Saturday. The Minister of State’s working career took him through Government College Keffi and Government College Makurdi as a teacher of Business Education. He rose through the rank to become the Principal of Government College Makurdi from 1988 – 1992. Dr. Agada
became Principal (Special Grade) in Government College, Utonkon (1993 – 1996). He was
the Executive Secretary, Benue State Examination Board (1996 – 1999) and then Permanent
Secretary in four Ministries in Benue State as follows: Ministry of Information, Youth, Sports
and Culture (1999 – 2000); Ministry of Education (2000 – 2001);Ministry of Local
Government and Chiefetaincy Affairs (2001 – 2006) and Bureau of Political Affairs
(February, 2006 – September, 2006). He voluntarily retired from the Benue State Civil
Service in September, 2006 and was the PDP Gubernatorial Aspirant for Benue State during
the December, 2006 primaries.Dr. Agada has some publications to his credit.
http://www.ican-ngr.org/31_acaholder.htm In Nigeria and most parts of the world, employers of labour now discriminate against chartered accountants that do not possess any university education on grounds that the professional training they received is restricted and parochial. In a global business environment, resource managers must necessarily possess broad-based knowledge which only the university curricula can provide.
ACA with Degrees and ACA with HNDs Although, the holder of a Bachelor's degree in accountancy from an accredited University and a holder of the Higher National Diploma from an accredited Polytechnic enjoy the same rating in ICAN's scheme of things, many employers of labour, including practicing firms, are now known to prefer degree holders to HND holders. The samples of adverts above did not mention the HND although one of them said a degree or its equivalent awarded by a reputable university! It is a known fact that no university in Nigeria awards any HND. Thus, their preference is unambiguous. In fact, the career path of the polytechnic holder in the public service has an unofficial bar according to an investigation conducted by The Guardian newspaper. According to the report, while the HND holder can rise to Grade level 13 or USS 12, the graduate can rise to Grade level 14 or USS 13. It added that some new generation banks have a policy of not recruiting HND holders at all.
Discrimination against holders of the higher national diploma HND qualification is a serious indictment "The best solution is for polytechnic lecturers to go on strike while the students protest. This is rubbish. Na wa o, don't we have people with HND certificate in the house of assembly?? Why can't they stand up and defend the polytechnic/HND curriculum?? who says polytechnic curriculum in engineering is only Technical?? It's not true; it is both technical, theoretical and contains design too. What about other fields like accountancy, architecture, surveying, computer science, statistics, estate mgt etc; are they also only technical without theory??
Holders of HND are not the same as their counterparts from the universities, House throws out Bill on Degree/HND Disparity. House of Representatives threw out a bill, seeking removal of the civil service disparity in the treatment of University Degree holders and Higher National Diploma (HND) holders. The bill, sponsored by Honourable Ini Udo from Akwa Ibom State, and seconded by Honourable Ekpo Ekperikpe, also from Akwa Ibom, was debated by the lawmakers for 30 minutes, and duly set aside after majority of the lawmakers adduced reasons to justify the disparity. Honourable Abbas Braimoh, while arguing against the bill, said “having done a cerebral dissection of the course content of universities and polytechnics as regards my profession, engineering, I have noticed that the polytechnics’ course content is technical, while that of the university is both technical and involves design, which to me is the core and fundamental aspect of engineering. Do accountants design? Technology is not the same as engineering, but what about B.Tech degress?
So with all due respect, holders of HND are not the same as their counterparts from the universities. Other members who supported the argument also argued along the same line, insisting that the prayers of the Bill were unnecessary.
The bill was first brought to the floor of the House in 2007, but could not be taken for political exigencies.
“why can't one or some of the senators move a motion for the scrapping of HND in Nigeria?? Since this is just waste of money and power, The HND issue is really a serious problem to Nigerians. Let them abolish HND and allow people to hear word i beg.”

They said they are planning to replace the HND, with what?

The opinion of Deputy President of NATE

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Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 11:44am On Jun 09, 2008
THE RED LIGHT SIGNALS FOR THE POLYTECHNIC EDUCATION AND HND IN NIGERIA

Nigeria should grant the Polytechnics the power to award Bachelors degrees, Masters and PhD Degrees.

For those of us who took the decision of going to the Polytechnic in preference to a University on the believe that the Polytechnic training in some disciplines like Engineering, Accounting, etc should just take it that we have already made a mistake by Society's perspective and the only way of correcting it is by improving oneself to obtain higher degrees from the Universities, through the longer route of studying first for a Post Graduate Diploma.

If the refuse to either scrap the Polytechnics or the HND programmes, now that we know that the Nigerian Society does not recognise or give HND holders equal recognition as the Bachelors degree holders, we the HND holders now know that "We must NEVER allow our Wards, Children or Relatives to go to the Polytechnics. By the time this happens in the next 20 years, the Polytechnics will die a natural death. This is very simple.

With this, it will not matter whether or not the National Assembly passes a bill on BSC/HND parity or "Disparity" as the case maybe. Democracy is a game of numbers and in a National Assembly where you have more people with University degrees followed by those who hold no higher qualifications at all, it becomes clear the Holders of HND are in the minority and I wonder what magic we expect them to do in order to pass a bill that will favour holders on HND!!

As for the HND programmes and Polytechnics it is just a matter of time for it to face a natural extinction when they begin to experience very low or no patronage at all. If the Nigeria Education Planners do nothing about this disparity, then the Polytechnics will just die off, it will be then who have failed and not you the HND holder.

The truth is that an HND holder, who decides, either by way of carelessness or care-freeness or laziness, not to go back to school to obtain a higher certificate 5 to 10 years after obtaining the HND certificate, should blame himself or herself.

My advice to all HND holder is that they should just take the pains to go for a Postgraduate Diploma Programme, then a Masters and if possible a PhD, so that we can overcome all these trauma and embarrassment. Even if not for promotion at work, but to give you this psychological satisfaction that you can study higher than HND level and off course by the time you are in the same class with those who claim that they know better or that they are better because they hold the Bachelors degree, you would have convinced yourself that you are equally good and maybe even better. That way no Bachelors degree holder will tell you "RUBBISH" Even though I have a master degree today and presently pursuing a doctoral degree, I am proud and will remain proud that I started from the Polytechnic, if Nigeria is like America where you have Polytechnics like Massachusset Institute of Technology that have programmes up to PhD level, I will do all my studies and obtain all my Degrees from a Polytechnic.

There is no doubt that the Ministries of Education and the Education Ministers in Nigeria are a confused lot who have no focus as exemplified by "Oby due process” regime in the Ministry.

Come folks, let's improve ourselves and fortunes and then allow these already failed Nigeria Educational Planners to die with their dirty and unproductive-planning and execution of educational policies in Nigeria!!!

By Prince Uzoma Nwokorie
upn_1200@yahoo.com
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 3:48pm On Jun 09, 2008
My own advice is that HND and polytechnics in Nigeria should be scrapped. alot of people have died as a result of high BP and hypertension from HND discrimination. people should stop going to look for admission in the polytechnics; the better you go and learn business or trade.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 1:52pm On Jun 10, 2008
In compass and tribune newspaper of yesterday I read that HND is going! going!! what does that mean?
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Biliamin(m): 4:02pm On Jun 10, 2008
This is serious.

I will advice all other HND holders to do as Hnd holder said

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN NIGERIA
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 7:12pm On Jun 11, 2008
In my next world i will never go close to polytechnic and HND. I have had enough of the discrimination.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 7:49am On Jun 12, 2008
I have no regrets as HND holder for it afford me to see something to fight for.
come 2008/2009 is the replacement of the monster call HND so they said.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by ishmael(m): 8:13am On Jun 12, 2008
Hnd-holder:

I have no regrets as HND holder for it afford me to see something to fight for.
come 2008/2009 is the replacement of the monster call HND so they said.

HND-holder, you are very funny.
Re: Why Should Fg Discriminate Against Hnd Holders? by Hndholder(m): 8:26am On Jun 12, 2008
I am still better than most degree holders who are my mates. B,Tech they say will replace the HND. I was planning to go to ADEDIBU house at Ibadan to report the monster call HND. But the man died, so if he can die HND will sure leave Nigeria.

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