In these last days more and more people are receiving visions of Hell that change them significantly. But, are these visions from Jesus Christ himself, or are they really of Satan, that ancient serpent?

First of all, let's bear in mind that Satan is God's adversary, and will do everything he can to slander the Godhead, and the host of Heaven. Second, Satan is the serpent or the nahash, or the ancient sorcerer (for nahash, while meaning 'serpent' also means 'to hiss, whisper an incantation, practice divination, prognosticate.) And he can transform himself into an angel of light (messenger of righteousness.)

I have read a few accounts of people who have claimed that they went to Hell, and while reading these accounts I begin to notice a distinctive pattern in them.

Satan isn't scaring people into believing in Jesus Christ. What he's doing is a well crafted plan.

Step 1. Find a person who believe in the spiritual realm, and one who claims to be a Christian. (Most of the Christians who've had these visions are in fact 'mystics' and that's not Biblical.)

Step 2. Take on the appearance of Jesus Christ, and appear to the person.

Step 3. Tell the person that you've come to take them on a journey of Hell, because for some reason, "your" (placed in quotes, because here, Satan is impersonating Christ.) word wasn't sufficient enough.

Step 4. Take the person out of their body, but assure them that even if their husband wakes up (and sees a dead body) that everything will be a-ok.

Step 5. Take them to Hell, and show them various people who are being tormented. Make sure that the torments are ones that could be found in Dante's Inferno, or any of the non-canonical bibles.

Step 6. Make sure that the people are in hell for absolutely ridiculous reasons, (Getting hip surgery, not giving money to an alcoholic, going to prom, getting angry, trying to find a date, etc etc.)

Step 7. As Jesus, alternate between being a cruel deity to being a pathetic wimp who cries at the drop of a hat. Bonus points for Satan, if the person with him has 1000x more compassion than pseudo!Jesus.

Step 8. LEAVES THE PERSON IN HELL.

Step 9. finally takes them out of there. Sends them home, tells them to write a book.

Step 10. Person is so scared that they're traumatized for like a month.

Then the person writes the book, it becomes a hit. People read it, and fall into one of three categories.

1. They lap it up, and think the author is some sort of prophet of God. They worship Christ as this awesome being, but are scared of screwing up. (Because according to the visions, one mistake, and you're done for.)

2. They call it a bunch of rubbish, and say that God and Jesus Christ don't exist, and the book was written by a deluded slowpoke who was on LSD at the time.

3. They're skeptical, do the research, realize the vision has errors in it. They don't believe the book.

In the end, Satan's now got a group of sycophants (who are only worshiping 'Jesus' not because they love him, but because they don't want to go to hell.) and a group of people who think it's rubbish and because THAT'S rubbish then so is believing in God and Jesus Christ; and the faith and grace thing.


Even you have to admit that's not Biblical.

http://sanctusvesania.hubpages.com/hub/The-Prophets-of-Hell

naijaz_own: Do I completely agree with this write-up?

Still meditating...

nlMediator:

Why are you so obsessed with the topic of hell? If nobody is going to hell, why bother them with this deluge of information? It's like saying everybody would pass an exam whether they study or not. And then, every day you keep on reminding them of it. What sense does that make? Perhaps, you don't really believe in what you're preaching.

nlMediator:

Why are you so obsessed with the topic of hell? If nobody is going to hell, why bother them with this deluge of information? It's like saying everybody would pass an exam whether they study or not. And then, every day you keep on reminding them of it. What sense does that make? Perhaps, you don't really believe in what you're preaching.

"I am He that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death"

"go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched"

"Shame and everlasting contempt"

"Everlasting punishment"

"Weeping and gnashing of teeth"

"Fire unquenchable"

"Indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish"

"Everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord"

"Eternal fire...the blackness of darkness for ever"

"He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone...the smoke of their torment ascended up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day or night."

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still"

Segeggs: The preaching against hell is to free fellow brothers from the satanic lie flowing in churches today and to make them realise that serving God shouldnt be out of fear (cos thats the essence of the hell doctrine) but out of love.

take away hell and see the number of people that will still serve God. That number will be those that love him for him.

nlMediator: ^^
Correct. It reflects your confusing position on hell. Glad I was able to clear that up for you.

nlMediator:

Why are you so obsessed with the topic of hell? If nobody is going to hell, why bother them with this deluge of information? It's like saying everybody would pass an exam whether they study or not. And then, every day you keep on reminding them of it. What sense does that make? Perhaps, you don't really believe in what you're preaching.

DrummaBoy: Frosbel
Thanks for that piece. This visions on hell were beginning to get to me but somehow I am learning to ignore them all together.

With their leading apostle here on NL, Olaadegbu, never in short supply of these visions.

Apart from Paul saying Satan transforms to angels of light, Jesus started his discourse in MATT 24 with the words DO NOT BE DECEIVED.. FOR MANY WILL COME IN MY NAME SAYING I AM CHRIST... He was not saying we would have the likes of Jesus of Oyingbo, Guru Marathi, etc, (though we have those too), I believe he was telling what we are seeing today: people coming with visions allegedly from Christ - in his name - and bringing words from Him - saying they are Christ.

By their Fruits we will know them
1. This visions feast on the gullible
2. They support a church's narrow doctrinal position
3. They deny the grace of God
4. They paint God as a tyrrant and the aspect of God's love is hidden
5. etc

They cannot be of God.
Well done Frosbel.

frosbel: ^^^

I guess you can also pose this same question to you friends who are preoccupied with posting silly and baseless visions of hell , no ?

nlMediator:

Not really. The people that post the visions of hell believe that the postings will benefit many - the multitudes that would be saved from eternal torment if they heed the message. Their messages call for a change in the heart and lives of the viewers. On the other hand, by your own account, your messages on hell hardly benefit anyone. Good people (christians) will escape hell under your message and be in Heaven. So, your message is of no help to them. Bad people will not burn eternally. But this would still happen whether you tell them or not. They do not need to make any adjustments to their life to receive or enjoy the outcome you predict. So, why the barrage of messages repeating the same thing over and over to people that need not do anything to enjoy it?

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Not really. The people that post the visions of hell believe that the postings will benefit many

the multitudes that would be saved from eternal torment if they heed the message.

Their messages call for a change in the heart and lives of the viewers.

On the other hand, by your own account, your messages on hell hardly benefit anyone.

Good people (christians) will escape hell under your message and be in Heaven.

alexleo:

You are just being deceived by satan even when God is trying to draw your heart out of frosbels satanic manipulations. Just bear it in mind that you have no excuse before God to give because you have seen this matter extensively argued here, you have heard testimonies of those who have experienced it. You have no single excuse to give God when you leave this world and discover that the no hell satanic preaching of frosbel and his cohorts are lies upon lies. Now of your own volition you have rejected the message and hope you understand the implication? That you cannot blame God when you leave this world that he didnt expose you to this truth. Feel free to make your choice but also note the following points-

alexleo:

They are just being hunted by this bitter truth that's why you see them battling and tormenting themselves to free their minds from it as if that would change its reality. If they are sure of the useless message of no hell they are preaching why are they stressing themselves? Truth is hunting them. Meanwhile God is using these testimonies to comfirm what is written in the scriptures that there is hell and thank God anywhere this testimonies are delivered, thousands of people give their lives to Christ. And of course satan cannot be part of what will cause people to give their lives to Christ or what will cause born again christians to rededicate their lives to Christ. I wonder what will make Linda, the sierra leonian lady who has always rejected the truth about hell and even quarelled with her born again sister severally about it suddenly say that she has experienced hell and that it is real and gave her life to Christ if she truly did not experience it. And some useless and hopeless teachers are here deceiving people that there is no after life. Rubbish.

shdemidemi:

Bro, as much as am with you with eternal torment to the unrighteous, I am not for any new revelation from any man asides that which is in the bible-I have little confidence/poise in those people who speak of having received direct revelations
from the Lord, as though he appeared otherwise than by and through the sacred scriptures. His word 
is so full, so perfect, that for God to make any fresh revelation/expośe to you or me is quite needless.

frosbel:
God is not in the torture business, let us leave that to the hitlers and stalins of this world.
Let us remain with the simplicity of scripture, that the wages of SIN is death, then we will be offering people 2 choices :
1. Immortality - living forever in a new heaven and earth wherein dwells righteousness.
2. Death - eternal destruction from the presence of the Lord.
Always remember that death itself will be destroyed and not remain anywhere in the universe forever.
"he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove his people's disgrace from all the earth. The LORD has spoken." - Isaiah 25:8

shdemidemi:

Bro, the wages of sin is death simply means the price tag for our righteousness is the death of Christ, it has nothing to do with heaven or hell. Give me scriptural reasons why you think the unrighteous would not face eternal torment.

shdemidemi: wrong ke...Through Adam we all died, through Christ we were all made alive. This happened because Christ paid the ransom with his life. A believer would never die regardless of what he does or what he does not.

The penalty of Sin is death.

Jesus died as a sacrifice for our sins, though he had no sin, so that if we believe on him we will never see death, and death in this context means irreversible second death which happens after the white throne judgement.

Line the doctrine you are propagating up with the scriptures then. If the bible calls it eternal torture, I believe it.

frosbel:

The onus is on you.

1. Is it morally acceptable to accuse human beings of wickedness when you carry out an even greater act of wickedness which never ends for all eternity.

2. Why is this so called important doctrine not mentioned once in the acts of the apostles , in the letters written by the apostles, in the epistles etc.

3. Why did God hide this important doctrine from Adam, Abraham, David etc ?

4. Show me your scriptures which back an eternal hell.