uvalued:


thank you... now that the law is a schoolmaster for sinners to point them for the need of a SAvior.. not for the righteous... therefore i dont need the law anymore but to grow in His grace and truth...

uvalued:


can you share what signs and wonders have followed you after you started exposing the sinner's schoolmaster? such as raising the dead, visible miracles like the apostles did?

Wilgrea7:


claimed by the Bible.. and other religious books


other religions have this claim


refer to points above

OLAADEGBU:


Did you still need the knowledge you acquired and learnt in your elementary school since you moved on to higher education?



Whatever signs and wonders that have followed me is all to the glory of God and not for me to gloat about. Without Jesus I cannot do anything. If am to boast at all my boasting is in the Lord Jesus Christ who died to pay the penalty of my sin. He rose again so that I may live in the newness of life. Halleluyah!

"Nothwithstanding, in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject to you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven" (Luke 10:20).

The question you should be asking yourself is: Is your name written down in heaven?

kkins25:
hell is a myth

Wilgrea7:

the muslim doesn't have the monopoly of anything.. Mohammed does.. the hindu doesn't have the monopoly of anything.. Krishna does


everyone should be entitled to his or her own experience..



now you've shifted from experience to doctrinal issues.. doctrinal issues that different denominations disagree on.. virgin birth etc



are you a miracle hunter?



all these were claimed in the bible with the tag of “jesus said"... someone wrote something claiming “jesus said".. it may be true.. it may be false.. there are also books outside the bible claiming Jesus said



wrong




let me start by saying this.. religion does not equate to God.. there are tons of people claiming to create the universe but we both believe in the judeochristian God.. ok.. but you believe all information concerning him is given by the jews and all information given by the jews is true.. therefore you believe their letters to be the only representation of God.. but i don't.. also.. Jesus whom you claim to follow.. Yahshua .. there are many beliefs about him.. your son co equal God coming to judge the earth in the sky and all is just one of the beliefs.. if you can convince me that the Jesus you portray is the same as the historical Jesus, I'd follow you to take the Nicene creed invented around 300ad

why not bring forth something you consider authentic in the bible and i would show you its parallel in another religion that is also considered authentic

uvalued:


you just been vague to say the least. you requested and he itemise his point...


and from your vast reading of books of most religion, i expected you to show with link. you just could not.

care to be specific as he has bought forth his points why he chose the WAY over no ways

Wilgrea7:


the points he brought forth hold premises that are bound to favour only his choice.. its like rigging an election before it even holds

why not bring forth something you consider authentic in the bible and i would show you its parallel in another religion that is also considered authentic

uvalued:


wow but you gave him the ground to prove you wrong which he gladly did not just something but not a few and sadly you had no answer for them in ANY religion thus proving his points on the uniqueness of His SAVIOR AND LORD...


ken4christ

Wilgrea7:


this is my point.. you can't prove that a religion is supreme over all religions by using premises from the religion of your choice because it will only favour the religion you chose.. its not about giving premises.. its about giving right ones.. the bible cannot be used as a yardstick to determine Christianity as the true way because the Koran and Vedas can be used to determine Islam and Hinduism respectively as the true way.. its like trying to find out who among the monkey, fish, elephant and dog is the “best" animal and then you give them a tree to climb as a test.. you can already see that the test will only favour one animal.. the premise must be something that all the different religions can stand on.. that's my point

why not bring forth something you consider authentic in the bible and i would show you its parallel in another religion that is also considered authentic

uvalued:


you have a point but your initial post



gives your above idea away... you allowed him to be subjective which he gladly took and he gave u.

it was an open ended request with no objective test that is why he gave his worldview and asked you to show based on his.

using your best animal analogy, you can see that you have negated yourself... you initially wanted to use other religion to prove the non-uniqueness of Christ Jesus and His way... so you have failed.

Wilgrea7:


that was my reply to him when he tried to prove that Christianity had the monopoly of certain things.. my reply was telling him that no religion has the monopoly of anything over all other religions

why not bring forth something you consider authentic in the bible and i would show you its parallel in another religion that is also considered authentic

uvalued:


great response but one question still... since its beta to know your name in the book of life than miracles... my question is IF you erred like be angry with your brother or any sin at all and no time to make restitution and Christ suddenly appears...will such sin be counted against you and then your name will be blotted from the book of life?

thanks for engaging me...

Wilgrea7:


claimed by the Bible.. and other religious books


other religions have this claim


refer to points above

Wilgrea7:


this is my point.. you can't prove that a religion is supreme over all religions by using premises from the religion of your choice because it will only favour the religion you chose.. its not about giving premises.. its about giving right ones.. the bible cannot be used as a yardstick to determine Christianity as the true way because the Koran and Vedas can be used to determine Islam and Hinduism respectively as the true way.. its like trying to find out who among the monkey, fish, elephant and dog is the “best" animal and then you give them a tree to climb as a test.. you can already see that the test will only favour one animal.. the premise must be something that all the different religions can stand on.. that's my point

OLAADEGBU:


This is not just a claim it has been proven. See the thread that addresses this point of inerrancy.

https://www.nairaland.com/4045891/dont-originals-how-argue-inerancy

Wilgrea7:


thank you.. i went through the link.. it talks about inerrancy.. saying we mustn't have the original first before decaring inerrancy.. there are few hasty generalizations there but I'll leave it because i don't wish to derail the thread.. the thread is about hell.. is there any thing you'll like to debate relating to the OP?

OLAADEGBU:


"But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin" (1 John 1:7).

The more reason you should stay in fellowship with God and the brethren who are in fellowship with Him and by so doing His blood cleanses us from all sin.

uvalued:


so you are saying that even though you are in fellowship with God and the brethern, you can/may still commit sin(s) but because of the above fellowship, the blood of Christ will cleanse you from such sin(s).

OLAADEGBU:


"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1 John 1:5-7).

If you are in fellowship with God you will not walk in darkness.

uvalued:


after looking at your picture of the above verses. i saw it was not the complete picture and this is what i added... IF we in the LIGHT, we are not in DARKNESS and in the light, ALL SIN the blood of Christ cleanses us.. queation WHERE did ALL SIN come from that the blood of Jesus cleanses us EVEN when we are in the light

OLAADEGBU:
Hell's best kept secret.

OLAADEGBU:

www.livingwaters.com

IF YOU WANT TO REACH THOSE YOU LOVE WITH THE GOSPEL, READ THIS...

Now and then I'm criticized because I preach to those who have hard hearts. This, they say, is casting "pearls before swine."

Pigs place no value on pearls. They are just self-indulgent animals whose only thought is for food. So the self-indulgent sin-loving sinner sees no value in the precious pearl of the gospel. It has no benefit to him.

A millionaire is sitting on a small plane working on a new money-making angle. Under his seat is a parachute. He shows no interest in it. All that interests him is making more money. Suddenly the plane begins to go down and he’s filled with fear. How much will he now value that parachute? He would give all he owns to possess it, because without it he will lose his life.

So it is with the Savior. Christ crucified for the sin of the world is of no interest to the sinner. It is irrelevant. But there is something that will change his mind about its value. It is the moral Law. It will show him that his life is in terrible danger, and when he has that realization, the gospel will make sense and will be greatly valued.

Here now is why there is contention from the "You are casting pearls before swine" folks. The modern preacher sees no difference between the Law and the gospel. In fact, to him the preaching of the Law (as Jesus, Paul, and the Apostles did—Mark 10:17, Romans 2:20, etc.) has no basis in scripture. He doesn't know that its God-given function is to show the sinner his danger (Romans 3:19,20, 7:7, 7:13). The moral Law diagnoses the disease of sin, while the gospel is the cure.

So when I'm preaching to a hard-hearted sinner I know that he's not even slightly interested in the gospel. I know that he needs the Law to make the gospel make sense, while the modern preacher solely preaches the gospel (which the sinner sees as irrelevant), and so the preacher moves on--not wanting to cast his pearls before swine.

Again, the hardened sinner doesn't need to hear the gospel, he needs to hear the Law to bring the knowledge of sin and his impending danger. It will help him see the value of the precious pearl of the gospel.

For further teaching on this subject, listen to www.HellsBestKeptSecret.com and then "True and False Conversion."

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort5 23 November 2014 ·