The doctrine of the Trinity results in some very irreverent implications concerning God and/or Jesus.

To be Trinitarian is to believe that the baby in the manger was Almighty God from the moment he had been conceived in Mary's womb, the same Almighty God who came down from heaven into Mary's womb, the same Almighty God who delivered their forefathers out of Egypt. It is to believe this infant child is the same Almighty God who created the world.

If we are a Trinitarian who supposes Joseph and Mary were quite aware that their child Jesus was Almighty God we would then be compelled to believe Mary carried her God in her belly. We would then be compelled to believe Mary saw fit to potty train her God or we would have to fancifully suppose potty training God was not necessary. We would have to either suppose Mary instructed her God to keep his hands out of the cookie jar, or, fancifully suppose no such instruction would ever be necessary for this toddler. We must also believe they lost the Almighty when God was 12 years old. We must also believe God's parents were worried about the Almighty's whereabouts. We must also believe God grew in wisdom. We must also believe Mary would see fit to prostrate herself and pray to her toddler son. We must also believe that Joseph and Mary believed they had to save their God from the threat of human beings. We must also believe Almighty God was hiding out in Egypt from human beings who wanted to kill him. Irreverent madness.

Even if one supposes that Joseph and Mary were not aware their son was their God, the Almighty God, the situation is not improved. God still needed to be saved from the threat of human beings by his parents. God was still 12 years old and still lost. God still grew in wisdom.

And if we are a Trinitarian who supposes Joseph and Mary were completely unaware their child was Almighty God, the situation has a whole different set of profane implications. We must believe that Almighty God who was being held in Mary's arms knew ever language in the world, past, present, future, and we must believe this despite the fact we are told he did in fact grow in wisdom. We must claim on one day that Jesus of Nazareth was all-knowing and all-powerful but on another day, and just for the occasion, pretend he limited himself in his incarnation so that we can attempt to accomodate these problems. And then as soon as we feel we have addressed them, we can again forget them and insist he was all-knowing and all-powerful once again. We must talk out of both sides of our mouths. We must believe this two day old infant child had the inherent power to walk on water and to know everything on his mother's mind but he coyly never let her know. We must believe this infant child was the God to whom Mary was praying but never bothered to tell her. We must believe that this infant child could speak every language known to mankind, past, present, and future, but misled his mother to believe otherwise. Sacrilege.

Such are the implications of the Trinitarian madness. The Trinitarian mind must choose to simply temporarily forget his own beliefs when he considers the facts about baby Jesus. He must choose to forget he believes this was Almighty God just for the moment. But the fact remains that his doctrine insists that this infant child was indeed Almighty God. And the implications to his beliefs are exposed as utterly outrageous. And indeed, they cannot bear to even think about these implications to their own beliefs because to see it is to see their own blasphemy.

http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/articles/jesusirreverent.html

misto: read kjv 1john 5:7, john1:1-10.
U cannot use logic to evaluate the one who created u. Frosbel wake up b4 its too late. Gods way is higher than ur ways and also his thought higher than ur thoughts. Allow the spirit of God to guide and stop being wise in your own ways which is foolishnes in Gods sight.

mazaje:

Will you guys stop peedling this nonsense?. . .How can you not use logic to understand god?. . .The same god in the bible said that "come let us reason together". . How can you reason with an entity whose ways and thoughts are different from yours?. . .You guys aleays run to this nonsense god ways are not ours mantra when you are in a fix and you want to explain absurdity away. . .Why read the bible at all if god ways are not yours and yoiu can't use reason or logic to undertand god. .No wonder you guys keep selling all your possessions and giving your hard earned money to the fraudulent pastors. . .

mazaje:

Will you guys stop peedling this nonsense?. . .How can you not use logic to understand god?. . .The same god in the bible said that "come let us reason together". . How can you reason with an entity whose ways and thoughts are different from yours?. . .You guys aleays run to this nonsense god ways are not ours mantra when you are in a fix and you want to explain absurdity away. . .Why read the bible at all if god ways are not yours and yoiu can't use reason or logic to undertand god. .No wonder you guys keep selling all your possessions and giving your hard earned money to the fraudulent pastors. . .

mazaje:

Will you guys stop peedling this nonsense?. . .How can you not use logic to understand god?. . .The same god in the bible said that "come let us reason together". . How can you reason with an entity whose ways and thoughts are different from yours?. . .You guys aleays run to this nonsense god ways are not ours mantra when you are in a fix and you want to explain absurdity away. . .Why read the bible at all if god ways are not yours and yoiu can't use reason or logic to undertand god. .No wonder you guys keep selling all your possessions and giving your hard earned money to the fraudulent pastors. . .

frosbel: To be Trinitarian is to believe that the baby in the manger was Almighty God from the moment he had been conceived in Mary's womb, the same Almighty God who came down from heaven into Mary's womb, the same Almighty God who delivered their forefathers out of Egypt. It is to believe this infant child is the same Almighty God who created the world.

frosbel:
If we are a Trinitarian who supposes Joseph and Mary were quite aware that their child Jesus was Almighty God we would then be compelled to believe Mary carried her God in her belly. We would then be compelled to believe Mary saw fit to potty train her God or we would have to fancifully suppose potty training God was not necessary. We would have to either suppose Mary instructed her God to keep his hands out of the cookie jar, or, fancifully suppose no such instruction would ever be necessary for this toddler. We must also believe they lost the Almighty when God was 12 years old

Bidam: We can use logic ofcos but not the foolish logic frosbel uses to argue clear cut scriptures that interprete scriptures.what the guy meant is that human wisdom which is natural,with devilish wisdom which is sensuous can't be used to interpret God's word.you need God's wisdom to interpret God's word and that is by coming to Christ the wisdom of GOD.

shdemidemi:
Not necessarily my friend, some can use spirituality due of lack of study and understanding. This does not in anyway mean an unbeliever or a carnal believer can understand the ways of this God. There is a wisdom of the world and a wisdom generated from God, you can never bring logic or reason of the world to carp God.

frosbel: We must also believe that Joseph and Mary believed they had to save their God from the threat of human beings. We must also believe Almighty God was hiding out in Egypt from human beings who wanted to kill him. Irreverent madness.

frosbel:
And if we are a Trinitarian who supposes Joseph and Mary were completely unaware their child was Almighty God, the situation has a whole different set of profane implications. We must believe that Almighty God who was being held in Mary's arms knew ever language in the world, past, present, future, and we must believe this despite the fact we are told he did in fact grow in wisdom. We must claim on one day that Jesus of Nazareth was all-knowing and all-powerful but on another day, and just for the occasion, pretend he limited himself in his incarnation so that we can attempt to accomodate these problems. And then as soon as we feel we have addressed them, we can again forget them and insist he was all-knowing and all-powerful once again. We must talk out of both sides of our mouths. We must believe this two day old infant child had the inherent power to walk on water and to know everything on his mother's mind but he coyly never let her know. We must believe this infant child was the God to whom Mary was praying but never bothered to tell her. We must believe that this infant child could speak every language known to mankind, past, present, and future, but misled his mother to believe otherwise. Sacrilege.

mazaje:

Pls contact the holy spirit and ask the holy spirit to tell you when the earth was created so that I can tell some one like OLADEGBUU, he claims the holy spiirt told him that the earth is 6000 years old, pls can yopu contat the story spirit and let the holy spirit corabborate what he has said?. . .Enough of using the holy spirit to explain absurdity away, lets be specific and try this holy spiirt claim out and see how it goes, pls tell the holy spiirt to tell you when god created the universe, since it told OLADEGBUU that god created the universe 600o years ago. .

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The story of Christ like your story was known before the start of the world. Everything that happens/happened is for our learning and edification.

You talk so shallow,
Acts 2:22-23a

"Ye men of Israel, hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles, and wonders and signs, which God did by him (Jesus) in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23. Him, (Jesus of Nazareth) being delivered by the determinate counsel…"

mazaje:

There is nothing like god's God's wisdom any where

if there was then christians will not be arguing over simple issues.

.VERY SINCERE christians here on nairaland disagree all the time over basic doctorines, pls tell if there is any such thing as the holy spirit or god's wisdom they will NEVER be arguing over anything. All they need to do is pray since they are already very sincere and the holy spirit will minister unto them both and tell them. . .When it comes to the bible EVERY body just self project himself as god and give people their own opinions that is ALL about it and that remains the FACT. . .Any other explanation is just false. . .

frosbel: 1. "Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God"
If Jesus was GOD , how come he had to be approved by GOD ? Or did he approve himself since he was GOD and pretend to do otherwise ?

frosbel:
2. "and wonders and signs, which God did by him (Jesus) in the midst of you"

shdemidemi:

Did the Bible not say God was made manifest in flesh, can you not see the reason why He is called son?
What attribute of God does He not have?

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.


You are still in Baba sule and sule mode. God did not give birth to Christ literally, Christ and God are one.

shdemidemi:

Did the Bible not say God was made manifest in flesh, can you not see the reason why He is called son?
What attribute of God does He not have?

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.


You are still in Baba sule and sule mode. God did not give birth to Christ literally, Christ and God are one.

frosbel:


continue in your confusion , confusing yourself and others.

shdemidemi:
Me and my father are one.

ijawkid:

Yes he displayed Gods attributes and rightly called the image of the invisible God......

May I ask::....don't you display wisdom,power.knowledge of GOD??.........

I agree Christ and GOD are one in agreement.......but not equals.......

This is all I want you to know.....

ONE is by far greater than the other.......

If you doubt ask Jesus when the end would come and hear his reply......

frosbel:

I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one

shdemidemi:

So who tells you, we are not one in Christ right now?

shdemidemi:

Me! display the same wisdom, power and knowledge with God? Am I madt?
He is all knowing, all powerful. I know in part and understand in part. They are equal, they are the same. Christ did not reveal the answer to them because just like in aforetime God kept mysteries from the prophets. Christ would not tell man when He would come, so He directs man to God.

shdemidemi:

Me! display the same wisdom, power and knowledge with God? Am I madt?
He is all knowing, all powerful. I know in part and understand in part. They are equal, they are the same. Christ did not reveal the answer to them because just like in aforetime God kept mysteries from the prophets. Christ would not tell man when He would come, so He directs man to God

frosbel:

GOD directs MAN to GOD

No wonder Muslims , atheists and others are having a field day mocking our faith because of false teaching your mystery Babylon churches keep disseminating.

shdemidemi:

So, that is hard to understand. Christ as we knew him gave man a reason to always hope and depend on him in all things.

ijawkid:

I'm not saying you display the wisdom with GOD....nope....I'm saying you do display Godly wisdom to a considerable degree because you are an image of GOD.....

ijawkid:
Christ simply answered I DO NOT KNOW.......
And he didn't know but only his Father knew.....
Let me tell you why Christ didn't know....
John 8:28
New International Version
(©2011)
So Jesus said, "When you have
lifted up the Son of Man, then you
will know that I am he and that I
do nothing on my own but speak
just what the Father has taught
me.
There are certain knowledge and info's that Jesus has no access to......only the Father knows them......

And when you say Jesus Christ directed them to GOD,which GOD are you talking about??....isn't Jesus Christ the all knowing GOD again??.....

nlMediator: For hundreds of years, people that deny the divinity of Christ Jesus have been arguing. If anybody has been able to convince even ONE of these people all these centuries that they are wrong, I'm yet to hear the story. The reason is simple: their position is a mental stronghold that can only be broken spiritually. (2 Cor. 10: 3-5). Either one successfully binds the spirit holding their mind captive or it will take some dramatic occurrence, such as a vision or divine visitation in a dream, etc. How to know that these guys are under captivity:

1. Obsession with this topic or related ones about hell and the Holy Ghost. This is so even when there are scores of topics they can be focusing on that can be of immediate or eternal benefit to christians and non-christians alike. Yet, they pour so much energy into topics they claim themselves are of little or no significance to one's salvation (e.g., they remind you that you don't need to believe in the trinity to be saved. So, why not focus on the things you need to be saved? Or that there is no continuing pain in hell even for non-believers. So, why bother repeating it to people who will suffer no pain while people need help - topics to deal - with the pain they're going through right now?)

2. Excitement. They salivate at the mere thought of discussing these topics and can abandon everything else just to satisfy the unhealthy urge.

Christians should bear this in mind when discussing with these guys. The primary object of discussing with them is not to win them over intellectually - as that is nigh impossible - but to help young believers and non-christians who may be carried away by their sophistry. Do you know they already have an answer to this post even before I wrote it?

frosbel:

accept it , let not pride make you hang on to a pagan doctrine, the simple truth of the gospel is :

John 3:16
New International Version (NIV)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

God sent his SON , GOD did not send GOD , he sent his SON.

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What do you understand by Christ being the son-
Colossians 1:17

"…by him all things consist."

And what does that word mean? Held together. Why doesn’t the universe just explode in nuclear fission? Why don’t the planets act like an atom and split one another into tremendous energy and explosion?

nlMediator: For hundreds of years, people that deny the divinity of Christ Jesus have been arguing. If anybody has been able to convince even ONE of these people all these centuries that they are wrong, I'm yet to hear the story. The reason is simple: their position is a mental stronghold that can only be broken spiritually. (2 Cor. 10: 3-5). Either one successfully binds the spirit holding their mind captive or it will take some dramatic occurrence, such as a vision or divine visitation in a dream, etc. How to know that these guys are under captivity:

1. Obsession with this topic or related ones about hell and the Holy Ghost. This is so even when there are scores of topics they can be focusing on that can be of immediate or eternal benefit to christians and non-christians alike. Yet, they pour so much energy into topics they claim themselves are of little or no significance to one's salvation (e.g., they remind you that you don't need to believe in the trinity to be saved. So, why not focus on the things you need to be saved? Or that there is no continuing pain in hell even for non-believers. So, why bother repeating it to people who will suffer no pain while people need help - topics to deal - with the pain they're going through right now?)

2. Excitement. They salivate at the mere thought of discussing these topics and can abandon everything else just to satisfy the unhealthy urge.

Christians should bear this in mind when discussing with these guys. The primary object of discussing with them is not to win them over intellectually - as that is nigh impossible - but to help young believers and non-christians who may be carried away by their sophistry. Do you know they already have an answer to this post even before I wrote it?