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Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by Uche2nna(m): 6:27pm On May 07, 2008
Big B1:

Some running mates are very strong, but not strong enough to be the main flag bearer.

Absolutely, his running mate will be a popular, lovable red neck republican, who doesn't give a shit about black folks


And that will do him good, how?  undecided

It would be intersting to see how the votes of the so-called republican would be cast.

Utah is a republican state but the most of the younger generation are leaning towards casting thier votes in favour of the democratic party.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by EmekaNaija(m): 8:02pm On May 07, 2008
Surely, CLinton deserves the right to continue the race.
If the DEMS think she'll gracefully bow out, then they are mistaken. The remaining Supers need to push her out of this bitter race as soon as possible.

Since Super Tuesday, we have always maintained that this race is over. Hillary can choose to continue and destroy her political future or step down hoping to be VP for Obama.

Lets hope Clinton can use the dying days of her campaign to inform her supporters to join ranks with other democrats, else the Superdelegates should push her off the race. Wetin sef?

Meanwhile, Jeremiah Wright would end up being an asset rather than a liability to the Obama campaign. Remember, he gave Obama the second chance to denounce him. Is anyone in the spirit?
John Mcain would also have to denounce Rod Parsley and John Hagee, when the proper campaign starts for the general elections. He has been running for free in the past months, yet he cannot even move ahead in polls agaisnt Obama.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by iou111: 8:16pm On May 07, 2008
i hope so. she's still gon fight real hard even if the numbers are working against her. obama needs a landslide win in the next primaries otherwise katakata go burst o! this super delegates people sef,
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by Spermdrops(m): 9:19pm On May 07, 2008
Is it Over for Yaradua?
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by SeanT21(f): 12:26am On May 08, 2008
yes, Mccain is in his 70s.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by LAKANYE(m): 2:44am On May 08, 2008
There is a sage aphorism which says "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" I really don't know who would have imparted the ideas on the Clintons' attempt to approach the WHITE-HOUSE again. One thing I am happy about is the facts that they are able to spend all the money enriched from their previous WHITE-HOUSE occupations back into the American economy. The nefarious American dubious leaders thought they are the best at what they do governing a most super power nation, and attempting to control the world.
But, when does a typical American woman knows to quit anything at the right time. They always want to fight to finish, until they are reduced to nothingness. The political math at hand as at this day indicate explicitly that Mrs. Clinton cannot win the race against someone like Obama. She thought once that race would play a favorable role in her favor, having forgotten the facts that she was against a white woman's reproductive products. She ought to quit tonight, but I am very sure she would not quit the race in shame, but until her whole family would be bankrupt.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by Cayon(f): 3:04am On May 08, 2008
Do you think Sean Bell protest could hurt Obama?
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by TheSly: 11:36am On May 08, 2008
He has been running for free in the past months, yet he cannot even move ahead in polls agaisnt Obama.
Very true. . . .


Cayon:

Do you think Sean Bell protest could hurt Obama?
ha ha ha . . .hell no!!!
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by azorjiu(m): 2:09pm On May 08, 2008
Must it be from bush to bush,
from clinton to clinton in america?
is presidency a family heritage in america?
when will chelsea become the next president?
no wonder we say we are practising american democracy.

the clintons should know it is over for them.
they have brought the world's largest democrasy to ridicle.
it's now all about race, class and gender.

tufiakwa!
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by BigB11(m): 10:09pm On May 08, 2008
The Five Mistakes Clinton Made

For all her talk about "full speed on to the White House," there was an unmistakably elegiac tone to Hillary Clinton's primary-night speech in Indianapolis. And if one needed further confirmation that the undaunted, never-say-die Clintons realize their bid might be at an end, all it took was a look at the wistful faces of the husband and the daughter who stood behind the candidate as she talked of all the people she has met in a journey "that has been a blessing for me."

It was also a journey she had begun with what appeared to be insurmountable advantages, which evaporated one by one as the campaign dragged on far longer than anyone could have anticipated. She made at least five big mistakes, each of which compounded the others:


1. She misjudged the mood
That was probably her biggest blunder. In a cycle that has been all about change, Clinton chose an incumbent's strategy, running on experience, preparedness, inevitability - and the power of the strongest brand name in Democratic politics. It made sense, given who she is and the additional doubts that some voters might have about making a woman Commander in Chief. But in putting her focus on positioning herself to win the general election in November, Clinton completely misread the mood of Democratic-primary voters, who were desperate to turn the page. "Being the consummate Washington insider is not where you want to be in a year when people want change," says Barack Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod. Clinton's "initial strategic positioning was wrong and kind of played into our hands." But other miscalculations made it worse:


2. She didn't master the rules
Clinton picked people for her team primarily for their loyalty to her, instead of their mastery of the game. That became abundantly clear in a strategy session last year, according to two people who were there. As aides looked over the campaign calendar, chief strategist Mark Penn confidently predicted that an early win in California would put her over the top because she would pick up all the state's 370 delegates. It sounded smart, but as every high school civics student now knows, Penn was wrong: Democrats, unlike the Republicans, apportion their delegates according to vote totals, rather than allowing any state to award them winner-take-all. Sitting nearby, veteran Democratic insider Harold M. Ickes, who had helped write those rules, was horrified - and let Penn know it. "How can it possibly be," Ickes asked, "that the much vaunted chief strategist doesn't understand proportional allocation?" And yet the strategy remained the same, with the campaign making its bet on big-state victories. Even now, it can seem as if they don't get it. Both Bill and Hillary have noted plaintively that if Democrats had the same winner-take-all rules as Republicans, she'd be the nominee. Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign now acknowledges privately:


3. She underestimated the caucus states
While Clinton based her strategy on the big contests, she seemed to virtually overlook states like Minnesota, Nebraska and Kansas, which choose their delegates through caucuses. She had a reason: the Clintons decided, says an adviser, that "caucus states were not really their thing." Her core supporters - women, the elderly, those with blue-collar jobs - were less likely to be able to commit an evening of the week, as the process requires. But it was a little like unilateral disarmament in states worth 12% of the pledged delegates. Indeed, it was in the caucus states that Obama piled up his lead among pledged delegates. "For all the talent and the money they had over there," says Axelrod, "they - bewilderingly - seemed to have little understanding for the caucuses and how important they would become."


By the time Clinton's lieutenants realized the grave nature of their error, they lacked the resources to do anything about it - in part because:


4. She relied on old money
For a decade or more, the Clintons set the standard for political fund-raising in the Democratic Party, and nearly all Bill's old donors had re-upped for Hillary's bid. Her 2006 Senate campaign had raised an astonishing $51.6 million against token opposition, in what everyone assumed was merely a dry run for a far bigger contest. But something had happened to fund-raising that Team Clinton didn't fully grasp: the Internet. Though Clinton's totals from working the shrimp-cocktail circuit remained impressive by every historic measure, her donors were typically big-check writers. And once they had ponied up the $2,300 allowed by law, they were forbidden to give more. The once bottomless Clinton well was drying up.


Obama relied instead on a different model: the 800,000-plus people who had signed up on his website and could continue sending money his way $5, $10 and $50 at a time. (The campaign has raised more than $100 million online, better than half its total.) Meanwhile, the Clintons were forced to tap the $100 million - plus fortune they had acquired since he left the White House - first for $5 million in January to make it to Super Tuesday and then $6.4 million to get her through Indiana and North Carolina. And that reflects one final mistake:


5. She never counted on a long haul
Clinton's strategy had been premised on delivering a knockout blow early. If she could win Iowa, she believed, the race would be over. Clinton spent lavishly there yet finished a disappointing third. What surprised the Obama forces was how long it took her campaign to retool. She fought him to a tie in the Feb. 5 Super Tuesday contests but didn't have any troops in place for the states that followed. Obama, on the other hand, was a train running hard on two or three tracks. Whatever the Chicago headquarters was unveiling to win immediate contests, it always had a separate operation setting up organizations in the states that were next. As far back as Feb. 21, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe was spotted in Raleigh, N.C. He told the News & Observer that the state's primary, then more than 10 weeks away, "could end up being very important in the nomination fight." At the time, the idea seemed laughable.


Now, of course, the question seems not whether Clinton will exit the race but when. She continues to load her schedule with campaign stops, even as calls for her to concede grow louder. But the voice she is listening to now is the one inside her head, explains a longtime aide. Clinton's calculation is as much about history as it is about politics. As the first woman to have come this far, Clinton has told those close to her, she wants people who invested their hopes in her to see that she has given it her best. And then? As she said in Indianapolis, "No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." When the task at hand is healing divisions in the Democratic Party, the loser can have as much influence as the winner. View this article on Time.com


http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080508/us_time/thefivemistakesclintonmade
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by BigB11(m): 10:11pm On May 08, 2008
I think it's time for her to throw the "TAWELL"!
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by McKren(m): 10:19pm On May 08, 2008
Hillary Clinton has every right to stay in the race till June.

The Democrats as a whole are guilty of designing a process to last up till June 3 and somehow hope that it will end by February 5

Let the process run its course except there is a nominee with the magic number
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by LAKANYE(m): 11:35pm On May 08, 2008
There is one dynamic perspective about OBAMA becoming the next PRESIDENT of the United States. It gives HOPE and brings HOPE. Hope for anyone born in America a chance to the WHITE HOUSE, regardless of your race, creed, status quo, or your background, etc. Unlike the Nigerian kind of "demonstration of Crazy" called DEMOCRACY, where GOOD PEOPLE DIE like the CHICKEN in "Animal Farm", and "BAD PEOPLE" continue to attempt to extort and exploit Nigerian means of Economic resources for their selfish and selfless uses, and live longer

WHY

WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT CORRUPTIONS IN NIGERIA TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE

Even though most of us have escaped from the pains and traumatizations of "BAD GOVERNMENT", and now currently scattered all over the world like the fruit of the world, there ought to be some form of solutions to all our national problems in Nigeria.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by BigB11(m): 11:55pm On May 08, 2008
WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT CORRUPTIONS IN NIGERIA TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE

@LAKANYE~ :

Here goes the only answer to your question, the single solution:


[b]Solution to corruption in Nigeria:

I will put together a group of 50 independent delegates from everywhere in Nigeria, with substantial clearances. Their job is to identify each and every government official that stole from 1980 through 2007.
For a successful outcome, names of these individuals will be made confidential. How much each stole will also be determined.

Each individual will be privately contacted; based on how much individual stole, money to be returned back to Nigeria Federal Government will be determined. All identified corrupt individuals have an option to return specified amount of money with absolutely no question or face uncompromising punishment.
Deadline to return this specified amount of money will also be specified.

After the expiration of the deadline, all individual that cooperated will be pardoned immediately by the Federal Government; while the names of the rest that refused to cooperate will be revealed to the public and they will also be severely punished (eg. 20 years in federal prison and all their accumulated properties will be confiscated by the Federal Government).

Finally, our Constitution will be reviewed and revised.
From Oct 30, 2008, any individual caught engaging in any corruption activities (regardless of the scale) will be executed at his or her home town.

I will also announce vigorously to the entire country that scapegoat is desperately needed.
Guys: That will be the end of corruption in Nigeria; and new Nigeria will be born in a very short period.
Then, we will all witness the real career dedicated politicians, while the business politicians/ business police men will dissolve one at a time

With love, Big B1
[/b]

I am confident to say that anything else will be a waste of time and the continuation of an everlasting "pure pepper soup" for just the big boys!
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by LAKANYE(m): 1:18am On May 09, 2008
Senator Barack Obama
Obama for America
P.O. Box 8102
Chicago, IL 60680

Dear Senator Obama,

This has been an historic and exciting campaign. Millions of new voters have been brought into the process and their enthusiasm for the Democratic Party and the principles for which you and I have fought and continue to fight is unprecedented.

One of the foremost principles of our party is that citizens be allowed to vote and that those votes be counted. That principle is not currently being applied to the nearly 2.5 million people who voted in primaries in Florida and Michigan. Whoever emerges as the Democratic nominee will be hamstrung in the general election if a fair and quick resolution is not reached that ensures that the voices of these voters are heard. Our commitment now to this goal could be the difference between winning and losing in November.

I have consistently said that the votes cast in Florida and Michigan in January should be counted. We cannot ignore the fact that the people in those states took the time to be a part of this process and to make their preferences known. When efforts were untaken by leaders in those states to hold revotes to ensure that they had a voice in selecting our nominee, I supported those efforts. In Michigan, I supported a legislative effort to hold a revote that the Democratic National Committee said was in complete compliance with the party's rules. You did not support those efforts and your supporters in Michigan publically opposed them. In Florida a number of revote options were proposed. I am not aware of any that you supported. In 2000, the Republicans won an election by successfully opposing a fair counting of votes in Florida. As Democrats, we must reject any proposals that would do the same.

Your commitment to the voters of these states must be clearly stated and your support for a fair and quick resolution must be clearly demonstrated.

I am asking you to join me in working with representatives from Florida and Michigan and the Democratic National Committee to arrive at a solution that honors the votes of the millions of people who went to the polls in Florida and Michigan. It is not enough to simply seat their representatives at the convention in Denver. The people of these great states, like the people who have voted and are to vote in other states, must have a voice in selecting our party's nominee.

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton


Above is a letter written to OBAMA, by Hillary Clinton. It was delivered a few hours ago.
I really wonder what kind of state she is at the moment. And, I really feel for her husband who may have persuaded her to run for the election after a night of "Monica Liwinskining" him all night long.

PLEASE LETS FOCUS ON OUR OWN HOUSE PROBLEM, CLEANING UP OUR GREAT NATION, NIGERIA!!!
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by Ndipe(m): 4:02am On May 09, 2008
While it may be 'wise' for Hillary clinton to bow out gracefully, at the same time, it's her prerogative to forge ahead. For those who have qualms on the perpetuation on the Bush and Clinton's dynasty, is there any law that forbids people from those political families from nurturing a political ambition. I really dont care if Clinton wins, thereby ushering in another Clinton era. That's her right to contest, even if I am for Obama
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by LAKANYE(m): 7:43am On May 09, 2008
[/quote][quote author=Ndipe link=topic=132340.msg2240993#msg2240993 date=1210302137]
For those who have qualms on the perpetuation on the Bush and Clinton's dynasty, is there any law that forbids people from those political families from nurturing a political ambition. I really don't care,


BUT THE AMERICAN SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT IS NOT OLIGARCHICAL, and should not be masterminded by a few to look like one.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by TheSly: 5:42pm On May 09, 2008
Obama picks up 4 superdelegates, union endorsement

WASHINGTON - The movement of Democratic superdelegates to presidential hopeful Barack Obama gained steam Friday with four new endorsements, including a union president and a congressman who switched his backing from rival Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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Obama has now climbed within a handful of superdelegates of catching Clinton in endorsements from the party and elected officials who will ultimately decide the nomination. With the new endorsements, the superdelegate count is Clinton, 271.5 and Obama, 267.

Obama's endorsements from superdelegates have picked up sharply since Tuesday, when he soundly defeated Clinton in North Carolina's primary and held her to a narrow victory in Indiana. The momentum in his direction reflects a growing sense among Democratic leaders that it is inevitable Obama will lock up the nomination.


The super-delegate gap is fast closing . . .somebody should tell this hilary grinch to quit. . .she is wasting my time. . . angry
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by LAKANYE(m): 10:36pm On May 09, 2008
Lets wait and see how much more money she can afford to WASTE.
Her efforts are like attempting to fill an African hand-made basket with water. Its NEVER GONNA HAPPEN for Hillary. Case closed.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by McKren(m): 12:19am On May 10, 2008
LAKANYE~:

Lets wait and see how much more money she can afford to WASTE.
Her efforts are like attempting to fill an African hand-made basket with water. Its NEVER GONNA HAPPEN for Hillary. Case closed.

Me thinks she might be trying to re-coop her money between now and June 3

U know campaign for online funding and spend less. Bingo $20 million dollars in the coffers, she tells everyone how patriotic she is, how much of a loyal democrat she is and how Obama is a wonderful guy and drops out.

She may be ambitious, conniving but certainly not so stupid not to understand the maths or notice the wave of super delegates moving in opposite direction.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by Ndipe(m): 2:38am On May 13, 2008
BUT THE AMERICAN SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT IS NOT OLIGARCHICAL, and should not be masterminded by a few to look like one.

Ndipe's comment:

HRC has the right to contest the Presidential elections, oligarchy or no oligarchy.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by spoilt(f): 2:44am On May 13, 2008
it is. undecided
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by Frando29(m): 1:57pm On May 13, 2008
Yes, I think it is over for both Clinton and Obama, Because I don't really see a black man being president of the united states of america and a black lady being the first lady. The bushuals will fight to their death to prevent this from happening. Obama may win in the polls, but believe me, Mccain will be the next president of the US.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by bigben3: 2:57pm On May 13, 2008
Frando29:

Yes, I think it is over for both Clinton and Obama, Because I don't really see a black man being president of the united states of america and a black lady being the first lady. The bushuals will fight to their death to prevent this from happening. y Obama mawin in the polls, but believe me, Mccain will be the next president of the US.
Here comes the pessimist/realist again when we get to the river first,we'll know ghow to cross it grin
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by BigB11(m): 3:25pm On May 13, 2008
The bushuals will fight to their death to prevent this from happening. Obama may win in the polls, but believe me, Mccain will be the next president of the US.

I love Obama, but I hate to admit that this Mr.Frando29 may be on point with his post.
When it comes down to it (between Obama and McCain), Americans might take it as a fight between a blackman and a whiteman; which will never be advantageous to OBAMA (black folks only make 15% of American population).
Americans are gullible and mostly very very difficult to predict their state of mind at any moment.
This is also why Mr.Bush was able to ride them twice (for 8 years).
(I do not think one has to be a scientist to figure that Mr.Bush does fit to manage a single Burger King location). But of course Americans voted for him twice.

Therefore, Obama must be very careful and upgrade is political strategy immediately (Americans do not like sincerity). All that nice guy image might not get the job done in November.
I still think Obama and Hillary Clinton ticket is the key. They have a perfect chemistry to take it to the next level.

Obama is bright, cool, competent, and full of natural wisdom to unify the nation; but I'm sorry, he needs a little bit more than that to knock Mr. McCain down. Without Hillary as his running mate, I think he will be playing with naked fire.

Yes, he (Obama) stands for "CHANGE", and keep in mind that Hillary as his running mate doesn't affect his stance. As the number one man the slogan (CHANGE) remains; Hillary as the first female VP also means "CHANGE".

It's time for them to let go the past and come together before it's too late. The Merging of the two will immediately kill the REPUBLICANS and unify the nation.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by BigB11(m): 3:33pm On May 13, 2008
It's not about the level of your intelligence or the content of your proposal, it's all about the state of mind of Americans. This state of mind is very fragile, unpredictable, sensitive, and mostly gullible.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by LAKANYE(m): 2:07am On May 14, 2008
You don't live here, hence, you cannot say anything about WE the Americans.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by sheniqua: 3:44am On May 14, 2008
at least she's rejoicing over that redneck state election results coming in now.
Not that obama and I are bothered cool
Is it normal people that live in West Virginia?

Like an earlier poster advised, she ought to throw in the" tawell"
show's over Hil
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by savanaha: 3:57am On May 14, 2008
She knows its basically over for her. If not the $20 million debt she is in will not have surfaced yet.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by 4Him1(m): 3:58am On May 14, 2008
LAKANYE~:

You don't live here, hence, you cannot say anything about WE the Americans.

BigB1 has probably been living in the states well before illegal immigrants like you secured stays using gullible white women.

Oh well back to the topic:

Clinton wont throw in any towel, its too bitter a pill to swallow that an African-American would beat the Clinton behemoth.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by Ndipe(m): 4:00am On May 14, 2008
Even when she has realized that her chances of securing the nomination is moot, HRC is rejoicing publicly over her victory at the WV polls. Goes to show you how desperate she is!.
Re: Is It Over For Hillary Clinton? by 4Him1(m): 4:30am On May 14, 2008
Clinton's strategy is simple, playing the subtle race card. That a black man cannot defeat a white man at the general elections no matter how articulate or intelligent he sounds.

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