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Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Gbawe: 12:39pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
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Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 12:43pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
While i agree with Joe Igbokwe to some extent, this is what caight my eye The truth is that PDP can win an election in a free and fair election. Not because of what they have done positively, but because of the mindset of the electorate. Political parties in Nigeria are run like businesses which good marketing prowess and not necessarily a good product. So, if you market a not-so-good product effectively, you'll get a good result or at worst a moderate one. PDP unlike other parties is more Nationalistic and has been in control mainly because majority of those that matter in their respective regions, states, nooks and crannies are in the PDP or are giving their support to PDP. So, invariably, the influence that these people wield will have an effect on where the electorate puts their vote. We also have those who vote for people they likes(they don't necessarily like them because they are performers.). An example of these people are those who voted for Jonathan because he was from their region or those who voted for him because they feel connected to him in someway and finally those who voted him and not PDP. So, we can see how PDP can win a free and fair election in Nigeria. APC has managed to win more support for themselves compared to what they had in 2011. But whether that support is enough, is another question. It's also worthy to note that the source of APC's support is a predictable one. So, it behoves on the leaders of APC to look critically at their support base and do some calculations prior to 2015 in order not to experience the same thing they did in 2011. Personally, i don't see APC winning the presidential election based on what is on ground except there's a mass exodus before 2015. 5 Likes |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by daylae(m): 12:47pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Honestly,found no one yet. . . . |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by maclatunji: 12:56pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Chido Onumah was only saying that Nigeria's population has a large chunk of unelightened and simple-minded people who will still vote for GEJ no matter how incompetent he is. Add that to PDP's rigging machinery and the PDP has a good chance of 'winning' in 2015. The challenge for the APC is to engage, educate and empower poverty stricken, unelightened Nigerians on the need to vote for a better-by-far alternative to GEJ and the PDP. 2 Likes |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 12:58pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
maclatunji: Chido Onumah was only saying that Nigeria's population has a large chunk of unelightened and simple-minded people who will still vote for GEJ no matter how incompetent he is. Add that to PDP's rigging machinery and the PDP has a good chance of 'winning' in 2015.You got it spot on. This is what i highlighted in my previous post. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:01pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
daylae: Honestly,found no one yet. . . .You haven't found anyone who can match Gej's his track record or his performance OR you are going to usual tribal route |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by lateef4me(m): 1:01pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
I'm battle ready to support APC provided Buhari will not clinch the presidential ticket . If he does,I will do every legally within my power to stop him cos I can't stand him . Next after APC wins is to expose Tinubu,the crook for what he is cos he's part of the corrupt system we are talking about ! 2 Likes |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Garrithe1st: 1:02pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Nice write-up. --- No name-calling --- No mud-slinging --- No uncouth expression --- No cheap blackmail Fair, objective and rational. Kudos to Joe Igbokwe for this great piece.. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by maclatunji: 1:05pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Afam4eva: With your 'occupying' space with a '.' ? |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Gbawe: 1:07pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
maclatunji: Chido Onumah was only saying that Nigeria's population has a large chunk of unelightened and simple-minded people who will still vote for GEJ no matter how incompetent he is. Add that to PDP's rigging machinery and the PDP has a good chance of 'winning' in 2015. That is why Igbokwe fired back this retort. Truth be told, Nigerians are not exactly the quintessential model of a politically sophisticated people. Igbokwe, accordingly, is well aware of how a proactive Party wishing to take on the ruling Party in Nigeria must work on the defeatist mentality of Nigerians. Indeed, I think he senses defeatism in the writing of Onumah hence the reason he highlighted some very good points relating to the simplistic pontifications of Onumah. Igbokwe, for example, is right that Onumah errs by making the APC about Buhari. This is no more sensible or logical than when some wish to state that the APC is about Ikimi and Ogbeh. Overall, Igbokwe makes it very clear the APC is putting in the work as well to win. Now if the question is “Is the opposition ready to compete in 2015? Please take notice that the answer is yes and this is final. A lot of sacrifices are being made, lots and lots of structures are being put in place, lots and lots of engagements are going, interests are being taken into consideration, human and material resources are being deployed to bring about this change and all APC needs is support and encourage and not to be pulled down. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:15pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
APC has managed to win more support for I see a run off or a very slim win for either the pdp or apc which will be fantastic for Nigerians, the winning party would always be on its toes knowing there is a huge shadow behind them. It also means we would probably have a balanced national assembly, that should focus on issues rather than the crap we have now. Can't wait for 2015 |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Ngwakwe: 1:16pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Why do Opinion Editors/Writers in Nigeria delighted in writing much and saying little. The grand purpose of APC is to return Political Power to the North come 2015 and to stop Goodluck Jonathan from restructuring the Country towards Merit as against Quota System that has kept us underdeveloped. It has become clearer by the day that APC's form of opposition is becoming anti-people and to restore status quo ante were the Northern Elites shared Oil blocs among themselves and the remainder to their frontmen. Nigeria is undergoing restructuring and should be allowed to work for all its citizens. The time of enjoying the spoils of war is over, let's move on as one united country or let's part peacefully. 6 Likes |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:17pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
maclatunji: Chido Onumah was only saying that Nigeria's population has a large chunk of unelightened and simple-minded people who will still vote for GEJ no matter how incompetent he is. Add that to PDP's rigging machinery and the PDP has a good chance of 'winning' in 2015. It comes down to APC nominating the right candidate. I don't think Buhari is acceptable to our youths. I don't see how Buhari wins South-west. He has the North in the bag already but his achilles heel is in the Southwestern states. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Expensive72(m): 1:18pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
After 2015 election Joe Igbokwe& all his clowns from APC will look like fishes out water because of the humiliating defeat the will face... 1 Like |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:23pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Garri the 1st: Nice write-up.Can't wait to see the APC publicity team with the likes of Igbokwe, el Rufai, fashakin and Co. They should give a new meaning to what politics should be about. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Ngwakwe: 1:24pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
@ Expensive72 Please change this your current signature. Enough of these insult on our people |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Gbawe: 1:29pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless: If it is Buhari, he may be a better sell with a charismatic and popular performer as his VP running mate. We have to remember that a very popular VP can make the ticket popular and attractive to those who may be ordinarily lukewarm to voting Buhari. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:29pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
PDP won 2011 election eventhough an election between Jonathan and Buhari is conducted in heaven PDP will still win. PDP can still win a fresh free and fair election in Nigeria if the opposition does not provide a viable alternative. truth is the opposition parties in Nigeria are not behaving any differently from PDP. So the election will not be about parties per say but more about the individuals contesting. But I thank God APC are starting on time to build structures because in the past the opposition has errornously thought they can just show up on the eve of election and defeat the incumbent just like that. It just dont work that way. APC need to register their party, craft a vission for the country and get more State Governors, Councilors, LGA chairmen and legislators elected both at National level and State level. So that even if they do not win the next Presidential election they can at least have made progress and increased their foot-print arround the country. It is in Nigeria's interest to have a viable alternative to the party in power at any point in time. This is how successful democracies made progress. I am a PDP supporter and will remain one, but I will love to see the party loose power and go into opposition so that the party can be remade to be the party founding fathers like Alex Ekwueme dreamt of. PDP has simply got too complacent. But the opposition must know that they will not achieve power on the platter of gold. You can not do things exactly the way PDP does at the moment and expect Nigerians to vote opposition just like that because PDP has failed. The age old adage about replacing your MONKEY with a DOG comes to mind. You will not have made any difference because an animal that stoops is still in the neigborhood! 2 Likes |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 1:32pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
lateef4me: I'm battle ready to support APC provided Buhari will not clinch the presidential ticket . If he does,I will do every legally within my power to stop him cos I can't stand him .The trugh is that ACn stands a better chance with Buhari as the presidential candidate than without him. Who has the kind of followership in the North like Buhari? No one comes close. Another truth is that APC picking the presidential candidate from the South especially the SW will be foolish because that will reduce the influence of the party. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:32pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Ngwakwe: Why do Opinion Editors/Writers in Nigeria delighted in writing much and saying little.You are the propagandist here, I haven't seen or read any of the things you wrote above from any member of the APC. Stop the cheap lies bro |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:39pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
mikeansy: PDP won 2011 electionVery intelligent comment, I see a more mature and balanced politics after 2015 regardless of who wins. I see both parties doing away with excess baggage and sycophants currently holding us back. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:42pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
“If free and fair elections were held today (even though PDP will never permit free and fair elections) chances are that President Jonathan will emerge victorious. I say this with every sense of responsibility.” – Chido Onumah [img]http://obnurse35yrs.files./2009/06/grumpy-old-men1.jpg?w=500&h=300&crop=1[/img] what the hell is this droop saying? "Those who think that keeping President Jonathan without performance is a way of addressing the minority question in Nigeria cannot get it. More money has gone to South South in the past 14 years more than the total of what went to South East, South West, and North East put together and yet there is not much to show in terms of development in the Niger Delta. Other Nigerians see this as a blackmail that cannot stand. We cannot continue to sacrifice the future of this country on the altar of mediocrity and comprehensive emptiness". . .Igbokwe smart young man, he has our wisdom |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:43pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Gbawe: Then; Buhari/Fashola Buhari/Rochas Buhari/Oshiohmohle |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:49pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Afam4eva: That followership is saturated and at peak level. Buhari will not get votes outside his stronghold. The only way Buhari wins an election is if he is not running against an incumbent and then he is the only candidate from North running against like 5 popular southerners who will split the Southern/Christain vote. Even at that the election will require a run off because Buhari will never satisfy the requirement to win outright. Then once again Buhari will fail in the run off. I think the best person with a chance to unsit Jonathan is actually Fashola. Reason is simple. The Hausa Fulani North by default just will not vote Jonathan. Fashola being a Muslim will carry North West and North East and as Yoruba will carry South West. Jonathan will have South South and South East sown up. The battle ground will now be North Central. Fashola being a more enlightened and articulate leader will wow young Nigerians and the middle-class in most of the civilised capitals in Nigeria like Lagos and Abuja. There will also be pockets of opposition in the South against Jonathan. People who will compare Fashola and Jonathan side by side and see through the fact that one of them has a clear idea of what leadership is all about and then the other simply has no business running a LGA but has somehow found himself to the Presidency. Trust me candidate Buhari is the best thing for the PDP. The election will be a walk in the park! Buhari is so easy to defeat! 1 Like |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by lateef4me(m): 1:53pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Afam, You are very wrong and 2015 will prove that . Buhari only had NW and NE in his pocket .No way will NC vote massively for Buhari . If APC makes the silly mistake of handlin the ticket to Buhari,then PDP don win be that .... I bet PDP will even be glad cos it means less work for them to do ! The trugh is that ACn stands a better chance with Buhari as the presidential candidate than without him. Who has the kind of followership in the North like Buhari? No one comes close. Another truth is that APC picking the presidential candidate from the South especially the SW will be foolish because that will reduce the influence of the party. (Quote) (Report) (Like |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 1:54pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
mikeansy: I agree with you 92%. The problem with Buhari is winning the youth votes in the South-west region. Fashola is a better option because he appeals across the board. He can win the North-east, North-west and split the North-central. He will destroy Jonathan if stand side by side during election. Fashola looks more Presidential when stand side by side. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 1:56pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
lateef4me: Afam, NC is the onply place where Jonathan beat Buhari in the North. But tell me any candidate who can get the kind of numbers that Buhari got in the NW and NE? He still remains the most popular candidate from the north. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 1:58pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless:If Fashola wins the SW, can he win the North? I wonder how you guys reason. Through ACN's SW interest, APC is already assured of a relevant number in the South West to consolidate the numbers that Buuhari will bring from the North and the little number that Rochas will be able to get in the east. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by takedat(m): 2:00pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
"Now talking about APC, how can Chido tie the future of APC to one man, General Buhari (Rtd) in a nation of 150 million people? Is Chido saying that if anything happens to Buhari today, APC will not fill a presidential candidate in 2015? Don’t we have more than 50 presidential candidates who can do better than Buhari if we search for them?" This has always been my stand. In as much as I have enormous regard for the General, his supporters should stop making it seem as if, without him all hope is lost. APC stands a better chance of winning the presidency in 2019 than in 2015! |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:01pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Afam4eva: I agree with you. Buhari is the most popular politician from the North. His only problem is finding votes from the south. Youths born in the south between 1980 and 1993 overwhelmingly have unfavorable opinion of Buhari. The youths make-up of more than 65% of votes from the south-west. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by daylae(m): 2:02pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Obiagelli:careless aim. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:05pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Afam4eva: There was an ACN candidate in the last election and there was also a CPC candidate in the last election. South West voted the opposition at guber level but voted Jonathan at Presidential level. What won Jonathan the last election was popularity of the incumbency plus the christain vote. The attitutde of Christain voters to Buhari and their attitude towards Fashola just wont be the same. Nigeria may be roughly evenly split between the North and South but there about 60% christains compared to Muslim. Buhari's inability to shed off his anti-christain reputation is an electoral liability. it does not matter who Buhari's VP candidate is he will never win an election in Nigeria. Any candidate that cant even get 10% of the vote in any region of the country should not be standing for election! 1 Like |
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