the planmaker: Doctors are self centered and materialistic, their only motivation is money. what hapened to the hippocrates oath? this constant strike only shows that you are putting money ahead of human life. for crying out loud , graduate nurses are denied internship, but nurses have not gone on strike

I tire for u ooo...1. Nurses were never on any internship programme before hand...it was a recent proposal which should have been eargerly welcomed buh denied by the goverment...they choose to allow the situation of nigeria worsen...(I hope u know..half of the the nurses in graduating in the country are leaving...well I gues the nurses choose to keep quiet and let the health ish in Nigeria go worse

otswag: From the arguments above,its evident that many people are so beefed up against drs that they've chosen to overlook the benefits of this struggle to the general populace.the reasons for the strike has been clearly stated here,all amounting to standardizing and augmenting the efficacy of the medical practice in nigeria but I'm still amazed at how people have chosen to believe what they want to believe.the last time drs went on strike due to the failure of the govt to fulfil the agreement they made about salaries,everyone criticised them saying they weren't fighting on improving the health sector and that its always about money;now they are striking 2 better the health sector and ur still critisizing them.Haba!.that is very unfair.when patients die because of lack of facilities,we blame the drs.now that they are fighting for steps for improvement,we are still critisizing the drs.in other words,drs can never do anything right in this country.that's very naïve and shallow.we all know strike is the only language the govt understands so if other sectors have chosen not to fight for improvement,stop critisizing drs for doing so.yeah,I totally agree patients will suffer the most because of the strike but a lot more patients will suffer and die if nothing is done about the present situation of the health sector and unfortunately,this is the most effective means of making such improvements in this nation.plain and simple

There is no benefit to anyone from a doctors strike. Why should government fund doctors training? Truth is many of the doctors here still reason like undergraduates with little knowledge of the world or reality. Does government pay for training for pharmacists,or other health professionals? This is a political issue and in many places where government does this for doctors they(residents) earn much less than nurses and other professionals until they qualify.In short they make a sacrifice and then when they qualify they serve the nation. In Nigeria they bullied the nation into paying superlative on call allowances and when they qualify most leave government employ. Why should government pay for you to better yourself

omonnakoda: Typical arrogance of the ignorant and unexposed Nigerian doctor.Many people go to Hospital and have nothing to do with doctors; Immunization,Antenatal clinics,Physiotherapy,Speech Therapy,Psychology,Counselling,Occupational therapy the list goes on. Doctors are agitating for the government to pay for their training .Why should government do this ? Do they pay for training for pilots,engineers,accountant?,Bankers lawyers etc. Is there any obligation after the training for the doctors to serve the government ? The answer is a big NO!! The doctors in training NARD are paid salaries which together with on call allowances make them the highest paid government employees.They are the ones that should pay government for their training!!,

you are like those friends of mine who say doctors can get anything they want...blablabla, but when i go to the mall, my doctor tag sure doesnt pay my bills, i have to pay cash. They are saying that the government is not training enough specialists...so a few years from now, you will be importing foreign trained consultants, at this rate. actually, you already doing that, they just troop out overseas, but you wouldnt know, you are just an ignorant blogger

gmyguy: you are like those friends of mine who say doctors can get anything they want...blablabla, but when i go to the mall, my doctor tag sure doesnt pay my bills, i have to pay cash, they are saying that the government is not training enough specialists...so a few tears from now, you will be importing foreign trained consultants, at this rate. acrually, yoy already doing that, they just troop out overseas, but you wouldnt know, you are just an ignorant blogger

What is the relevance of the bolded to the subject here.Did they teach you logic in medical school.FYI I probably left med school before you were born so leave the hominem out of it and reason

omonnakoda: There is no benefit to anyone from a doctors strike. Why should government fund doctors training? Truth is many of the doctors here still reason like undergraduates with little knowledge of the world or reality. Does government pay for training for pharmacists,or other health professionals? This is a political issue and in many places where government does this for doctors they(residents) earn much less than nurses and other professionals until they qualify.In short they make a sacrifice and then when they qualify they serve the nation. In Nigeria they bullied the nation into paying superlative on call allowances and when they qualify most leave government employ. Why should government pay for you to better yourself

the residents are striking nau, so go see a consultant or a private practice medical officer. those ones dont strike, but they are expensive, or better still, go to india

omonnakoda: What is the relevance of the bolded to the subject here.Did they teach you logic in medical school.FYI I probably left med school before you were born so leave the hominem out of it and reason

its your generation thats ruining this country. i may be young, but this mess and rot, i have been born into, with stories of better times past. its the leadership of your generation and also still critisizing the young ones who arent yet polluted by this rot. Anyway, you have the experience, so you probably should know better then, senior colleague

gmyguy: the residents are striking nau, so go see a consultant or a private practice medical officer. those ones dont strike, but they are expensive, or better still, go to india

when the sickness that is parking outside your home comes in you can take your household to India or Kathmandu if you like

gmyguy: its your generation thats ruining this country

No I left decades ago .when you run out of argument you resort to abuse back to subject.Do not disgrace the profession.Show that you are capable of basic logic

omonnakoda: No I left decades ago .when you run out of argument you resort to abuse back to subject.Do not disgrace the profession.Show that you are capable of basic logic

sorry, i wasnt abusing you in person, i meant your age mates who stayed behind to run the country are the ones responsible. its only their learned peers like yourself that can call them to order. afterall, like my arguement here, i'm just a rookie

omonnakoda: There is no benefit to anyone from a doctors strike. Why should government fund doctors training? Truth is many of the doctors here still reason like undergraduates with little knowledge of the world or reality. Does government pay for training for pharmacists,or other health professionals? This is a political issue and in many places where government does this for doctors they(residents) earn much less than nurses and other professionals until they qualify.In short they make a sacrifice and then when they qualify they serve the nation. In Nigeria they bullied the nation into paying superlative on call allowances and when they qualify most leave government employ. Why should government pay for you to better yourself

Doctors who benefit from government funding are often required to sign a bond which mandates them to work for that institution where they are training for a given period if they complete their training successfully.
Doctors are the only healthcare professionals who have a given time to complete their specialist training or lose their appointments. In other words resident doctors are living on the edge and have no job security in the govt sector, your meal is dependent directly on passing exams, your passing exams is dependent on good training facilities and adequate funding. Good training facilities mean a better trained specialist who can better care for his patients.

gmyguy: sorry, i wasnt abusing you in person, i meant your age mates who stayed behind to run the country are the ones responsible. its only their learned peers like yourself that can call them to order. afterall, like my arguement here, i'm just a rookie

Not quite true many made sacrifices for democracy and to train other doctors( particularly training) and we must always be grateful to our teachers for teaching us the secrets.....
Anyway I remember Buhari chucking out doctors and their families from LUTH and other places because they defied him. Nigeria's problems are complex and it is easy to point the finger. My advice to young doctors NEVER strike !! if you are not happy resign, go abroad or learn another job eventually the nation will get the message! Also Nigerian doctors need to respect other professionals and accept them as equals.The world has changed from "the doctor is the head of the team" doctrine

eaglechild:

Doctors who benefit from government funding are often required to sign a bond which mandates them to work for that institution where they are training for a given period if they complete their training successfully.
Doctors are the only healthcare professionals who have a given time to complete their specialist training or lose their appointments. In other words resident doctors are living on the edge and have no job security in the govt sector, your meal is dependent directly on passing exams, your passing exams is dependent on good training facilities and adequate funding. Good training facilities mean a better trained specialist who can better care for his patients.

That is False not only is it false. Such a bond would be unconstitutional.
Resident doctors are on a training post just like a degree programme or apprentice accountant etc. It is not an employment contract!! is there any University programme that allows you indefinite time to graduate Are nursing students given no time limit? or Lab technicians??

omonnakoda: when the sickness that is parking outside your home comes in you can take your household to India or Kathmandu if you like

let me tell you sir, i work in lagos, dor the past 3 TO 4 years. so i know what i am saying. you might think i am being subjective. But, do you even have an idea how many patients from our small practice are going to india. i wrote a referral letter 2 days ago. we had a patient leave unilorin teaching hospital all the way to lagos to be catheterised.If the ARD go on strike, some will die, but they may yet save millions in the future if the government responds. When i was serving in niger state 2 years ago, the LGA didnt want to pay me for my services, sorry, but if i go to the market and picked items and said i was a doctor, but wasnt paid, who will believe that...anyway, they dont even have doctors in that jungle talkless of consultants. see people dying daily from trivial things. we lost a girl from food going into her lungs. i mean, i am not a magician. and not a consultant. if you dont train many of them...nobody will leave his comfort zone to go to kotangora! you guys are thinking small...we need more doctors, many people are dying needlessly.
what normal humnabeing builds a house with a grant from the worldbank or some foreign agency, escapes my mind now, and doesnt connect it to power source just in front of the health centre...building a healthcentre, with no running water...and you want to do surgeries?! These were some of the rubbish i saw there. and the CHEW( community health extension workers) are regarded as doctors. they run the facility and clinics with a manual, so if you have a cough, they give you what the manual says, diarrhea, give you something else. etc.... This is what happens when you dont train enough residents or improve the lot of your medical officers...

gmyguy: let me tell you sir, i work in lagos, dor the past 3 TO 4 years. so i know what i am saying. you might think i am being subjective. But, do you even have an idea how many patients from our small practice are going to india. i wrote a referral letter 2 days ago. we had a patient leave unilorin teaching hospital all the way to lagos to be catheterised.If the ARD go on strike, some will die, but they may yet save millions in the future if the government responds. When i was serving in niger state 2 years ago, the LGA didnt want to pay me for my services, sorry, but if i go to the market and picked items and said i was a doctor, but wasnt paid, who will believe that...anyway, they dont even have doctors in that jungle talkless of consultants. see people dying daily from trivial things. we lost a girl from food going into her lungs. i mean, i am not a magician. and not a consultant. if you dont train many of them...nobody will leave his comfort zone to go to kotangora! you guys are thinking small...we need more doctors, many people are dying needlessly.
what normal humnabeing builds a house with a grant from the worldbank or some foreign agency, escapes my mind now, and doesnt connect it to power source just in front of the health centre...building a healthcentre, with no running water...and you want to do surgeries?! These were some of the rubbish i saw there. and the CHEW( community health extension workers) are regarded as doctors. they run the facility and clinics with a manual, so if you have a cough, they give you what the manual says, diarrhea, give you something else. etc.... This is what happens when you dont train enough residents or improve the lot of your medical officers...

Verbigeration!!
why don't we discuss the advantage of Injectors to carburettors

omonnakoda: Not quite true many made sacrifices for democracy and to train other doctors( particularly training) and we must always be grateful to our teachers for teaching us the secrets.....
Anyway I remember Buhari chucking out doctors and their families from LUTH and other places because they defied him. Nigeria's problems are complex and it is easy to point the finger. My advice to young doctors NEVER strike !! if you are not happy resign, go abroad or learn another job eventually the nation will get the message! Also Nigerian doctors need to respect other professionals and accept them as equals.The world has changed from "the doctor is the head of the team" doctrine

so, if we all left, isnt that worse than striking and why then is a surgeon general the number 4 man in advanced countries. Doctors arent asking for much. at least, there is no doctor in your forbes top 40 list. and they dont earn as much as bankers or oil workers, yet they work more and citizens expect more from them. i bet you, if Nigeria treated her doctors the way countries like the US A or Uk treat theirs, they would all come home or never have left in the first place. Do you know how foreign trained doctors make fun of locally trained Nigerian doctors?...like herbalists

gmyguy: so, if we all left, isnt that worse than striking and why then is a surgeon general the number 4 man in advanced countries. Doctors arent asking for much. at least, there is no doctor in your forbes top 40 list. and they dont earn as much as bankers or oil workers, yet they work more and citizens expect more from them. i bet you, if Nigeria treated her doctors the way countries like the US A or Uk treat theirs, they would or come home or never have left in the first place. Do you know how foreign trained doctors make fun of locally trained Nigerian doctors?...like herbalists

Well you can improve yourself and the quality of argument.Right now you are mixing up so many points that do not add up to a coherent whole.
Nigeria is a perverted society and it is difficult if not impossible to reform one sector in Isolation of the others. So our NFF Police Hospitals etc are messed up . I agree but your argument does NOT convince me that a STRIKE will achieve the desired objective.

Here is the logic

We must do something
A strike is something
we must strike

We must do some thing
forming Boko Haram is something
Let us form Boko Haram.

The inherent fallacy is too obvious and yet people as supposedly educated as doctors fail to see the parallel

omonnakoda: There is no benefit to anyone from a doctors strike. Why should government fund doctors training? Truth is many of the doctors here still reason like undergraduates with little knowledge of the world or reality. Does government pay for training for pharmacists,or other health professionals? This is a political issue and in many places where government does this for doctors they(residents) earn much less than nurses and other professionals until they qualify.In short they make a sacrifice and then when they qualify they serve the nation. In Nigeria they bullied the nation into paying superlative on call allowances and when they qualify most leave government employ. Why should government pay for you to better yourself

you dont sound like a medical doctor, maybe some other para medical

omonnakoda: Well you can improve yourself and the quality of argument.Right now you are mixing up so many points that do not add up to a coherent whole.
Nigeria is a perverted society and it is difficult if not impossible to reform one sector in Isolation of the others. So our NFF Police Hospitals etc are messed up . I agree but your argument does NOT convince me that a STRIKE will achieve the desired objective.

Here is the logic

We must do something
A strike is something
we must strike

We must do some thing
forming Boko Haram is something
Let us form Boko Haram.

The inherent fallacy is too obvious and yet people as supposedly educated as doctors fail to see the parallel

i am using my tablet, no time for punctuations or other necessities of good grammar right now

omonnakoda: That is False not only is it false. Such a bond would be unconstitutional.
Resident doctors are on a training post just like a degree programme or apprentice accountant etc. It is not an employment contract!! is there any University programme that allows you indefinite time to graduate Are nursing students given no time limit? or Lab technicians??

I am stating clear facts here.
I chose the word often.
On what basis are u comparing a nursing student to a resident doctor? That is a very ridiculous analogy.
Residency IS NOT a university degree, all resident doctors have a degree already, and no one wants indefinite time,rather adequate facilities and proper funding and a conducive training environment.

omonnakoda: There is no benefit to anyone from a doctors strike. Why should government fund doctors training? Truth is many of the doctors here still reason like undergraduates with little knowledge of the world or reality. Does government pay for training for pharmacists,or other health professionals? This is a political issue and in many places where government does this for doctors they(residents) earn much less than nurses and other professionals until they qualify.In short they make a sacrifice and then when they qualify they serve the nation. In Nigeria they bullied the nation into paying superlative on call allowances and when they qualify most leave government employ. Why should government pay for you to better yourself

now its evident u don't av a clue what the strike is all about.it's about funding the training of residents not payin d residents for further training.proper Funding of training means providing funding for the necessary equipments and gaining of experience needed to standardise the residency program.residency is the post graduate program needed before drs can become specialists/consultants who are the major factors that help move the health setor.for example,a patient with fibrillations is brought into the hospital and there is no machine called a defibrillator around to help,and even when there is a defibrillator,no resident knows how to operate it because they have no training on it.hence,the patient dies only b'cos of lack of facilities or inadequate training.thesame thing will continue to repeat itself and drs will continue to be seen as incompetent if nut'n is done abt it.this is a perfectly good example of what we're talking about. Just try 2 wipe out the prejudice u have and visualise the greater picture. Shikena

omonnakoda: There is no benefit to anyone from a doctors strike. Why should government fund doctors training? Truth is many of the doctors here still reason like undergraduates with little knowledge of the world or reality. Does government pay for training for pharmacists,or other health professionals? This is a political issue and in many places where government does this for doctors they(residents) earn much less than nurses and other professionals until they qualify.In short they make a sacrifice and then when they qualify they serve the nation. In Nigeria they bullied the nation into paying superlative on call allowances and when they qualify most leave government employ. Why should government pay for you to better yourself

the government has to pay to have their consultants. Other missionary or private hospitals do residency programs as well, and that is subject to their own standards. and mind you, some people pay the government for residency training. so, i think you need to do more research on that

gmyguy: you dont sound like a medical doctor, maybe some other para medicali am using my tablet, no time for punctuations or other necessities of good grammar right now

Let us assume I am a tailor what does that have to do with the fact that the purported rationale for the strike is a ruse.It is done for the purely selfish interest of a trade union and NOTHING to do with IMPROVING healthcare in Nigeria.

Now it is legitimate for vested interest groups to fight for their interests but do not try to dress it up in altruistic verbiage.It is dishonest

otswag: now its evident u don't av a clue what the strike is all about.it's about funding the training of residents not payin d residents for further training.proper Funding of training means providing funding for the necessary equipments and gaining of experience needed to standardise the residency program.residency is the post graduate program needed before drs can become specialists/consultants who are the major factors that help move the health setor.for example,a patient with fibrillations is brought into the hospital and there is no machine called a defibrillator around to help,and even when there is a defibrillator,no resident knows how to operate it because they have no training on it.hence,the patient dies only b'cos of lack of facilities or inadequate training.thesame thing will continue to repeat itself and drs will continue to be seen as incompetent if nut'n is done abt it.this is a perfectly good example of what we're talking about. Just try 2 wipe out the prejudice u have and visualise the greater picture. Shikena

the guy is not even a medical doctor, just forming senior colleague here.

things are very bad now. a patient came all the way from ilorin to lagos to be catheterised. something nurses do in the uk and some places in nigeria. simply because they didnt use lidocaine/ xylocaine gel.

otswag: now its evident u don't av a clue what the strike is all about.it's about funding the training of residents not payin d residents for further training.proper Funding of training means providing funding for the necessary equipments and gaining of experience needed to standardise the residency program.residency is the post graduate program needed before drs can become specialists/consultants who are the major factors that help move the health setor.for example,a patient with fibrillations is brought into the hospital and there is no machine called a defibrillator around to help,and even when there is a defibrillator,no resident knows how to operate it because they have no training on it.hence,the patient dies only b'cos of lack of facilities or inadequate training.thesame thing will continue to repeat itself and drs will continue to be seen as incompetent if nut'n is done abt it.this is a perfectly good example of what we're talking about. Just try 2 wipe out the prejudice u have and visualise the greater picture. Shikena

Can you cut the bullcrap . Who said it is about paying the residents.The resident extracted a commitment for funding for overseas training the last time they went on strike. The other thing is paying for courses and exams. Nothing to do with buying defibrillators which by the way are not used only by doctors. Why don't other professionals go on strike when equipment are unavailable or is it only doctors that train with equipment.Pleaseeeeeee.
No one is forcing you to be a doctor for the government.If you do not like it leave!!.
By the way this unfortunate Nigerian way of attacking personality is funny.We have a difference of opinion and you believe I don't know what I am on about ; demonstrate it rather than yell childishly.

omonnakoda: Not quite true many made sacrifices for democracy and to train other doctors( particularly training) and we must always be grateful to our teachers for teaching us the secrets.....
Anyway I remember Buhari chucking out doctors and their families from LUTH and other places because they defied him. Nigeria's problems are complex and it is easy to point the finger. My advice to young doctors NEVER strike !! if you are not happy resign, go abroad or learn another job eventually the nation will get the message! Also Nigerian doctors need to respect other professionals and accept them as equals.The world has changed from "the doctor is the head of the team" doctrine

No need claiming to be a doctor.
You are not one.
Doctors should NEVER strike cause they are supernatural beings without a cause?
Please get real.

eaglechild:
No need claiming to be a doctor.
You are not one.
Doctors should NEVER strike cause they are supernatural beings without a cause?
Please get real.

No I am a tailor. A doctor of tailoring
Doctors in Nigeria ALWAYS strike that is the difference.Is that "REAL" if you are in a job and you need to strike every year is it not time to leave that job??

omonnakoda:
No I am a tailor. A doctor of tailoring
Doctors in Nigeria ALWAYS strike that is the difference.Is that "REAL" if you are in a job and you need to strike every year is it not time to leave that job??

Are you a nurse or physiotherapist sir?

omonnakoda: Can you cut the bullcrap . Who said it is about paying the residents.The resident extracted a commitment for funding for overseas training the last time they went on strike. The other thing is paying for courses and exams. Nothing to do with buying defibrillators which by the way are not used only by doctors. Why don't other professionals go on strike when equipment are unavailable or is it only doctors that train with equipment.Pleaseeeeeee.
No one is forcing you to be a doctor for the government.If you do not like it leave!!.
By the way this unfortunate Nigerian way of attacking personality is funny.We have a difference of opinion and you believe I don't know what I am on about ; demonstrate it rather than yell childishly.

You further expose your absolute ignorance on residency training programme with each post.
How will a radiology resident receive training on MRI spectroscopy or aspects of interventional radiology when no centre in Nigeria offers such?
How can he afford such a training without govt intervention?
When he completes his training how will he practise if such facilities are not available?
Yet people like you yell that govt officials squander our tax on receiving treatment abroad, but will NOT subscribe to funding for training of doctors?
That sounds like bigotry and witchcraft.

eaglechild:
You further expose your absolute ignorance on residency training programme with each post.
How will a radiology resident receive training on MRI spectroscopy or aspects of interventional radiology when no centre in Nigeria offers such?
How can he afford such a training without govt intervention?
When he completes his training how will he practise if such facilities are not available?
Yet people like you yell that govt officials squander our tax on receiving treatment abroad, but will NOT subscribe to funding for training of doctors?
That sounds like bigotry and witchcraft.

That is the radiology resident's personal problem not the government's. Does the government pay for pilot's to better themselves. Your thinking is one of "entitlement" like a petulant teenager . How is a software engineer,Engineer,caterer supposed to get his training etc HIS PROBLEM !! to be paid for by HIM

Tinoxky: These days its all about money! Money!! Money!!!, when Last has it been announced that doctors when on strike because of Inadequate Equipment in the hospital?

When one considers that the entire OP talks about an impending Strike by Resident doctors to improve training and equipment, one wonders what kind of 'garri school' you attended.

i think he is a witch doctor, he said he went to med school before i was born. why would a 50+ year old open a thread to curse his antagonists?!

eaglechild:
You further expose your absolute ignorance on residency training programme with each post.
How will a radiology resident receive training on MRI spectroscopy or aspects of interventional radiology when no centre in Nigeria offers such?
How can he afford such a training without govt intervention?
When he completes his training how will he practise if such facilities are not available?
Yet people like you yell that govt officials squander our tax on receiving treatment abroad, but will NOT subscribe to funding for training of doctors?
That sounds like bigotry and witchcraft.

The equipment part is an afterthought this is all about GOVERNMENT spending money on INDIVIDUALS to pay for OVERSEA training,courses and exams. The issue is this ; At post graduate or any level for that matter apart from the military and militants which other Nigerians get this