pls, watch this video m.youtube.com/watch?v=B37R04v-WKA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DB37R04v-WKA

seunlayi: pls, watch this video m.youtube.com/watch?v=B37R04v-WKA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DB37R04v-WKA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pg-AshcTCY

^you actually beat me to it, i was going to post some music on the thread, might as well since folks are permanently parked here.



k'an fi darawon l'araya, or dont they need a break.


i'll put the video on another thread.

tpia@:
^you actually beat me to it, i was going to post some music on the thread, might as well since folks are permanently parked here.



k'an fi darawon l'araya, or dont they need a break.


i'll put the video on another thread.

ya , thank you afterall, music is still part of it.

Don't miss this programme.

flourishG: unfortunately,da the bible verse u quoted is for u as far as i know.only them hypocrites call evil good just because it is done by them leadership?

SURE?

When shall we transcend beyond hypocrisy and face Spirituality and Holiness?

solar007: SURE?

So Pastor Kumuyi and Deeperlife did evil to you. Argument apart please do everything possible to get to heaven



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_eplsyKw8

YEA, THAT IS MY TARGET

Thanks and frosbel and Drumboy for the concerns raised in my post. My recalling of the great encounters of many in the Deeper Life Church is a matter of semantics as even a new convert understands that they are all the works of God and not men.

To the best of my knowledge, the Deeper Life church has made conscious effort to take attention from men and focus us Christ alone. That is why they encourage people to search the scriptures and build their spiritual life in order to access God for themselves and not jumping here and there after ministers.

I have also seen the highest display of humility among the leadership. One of their common expressions is "without Him we can do nothing". People are encouraged to put their trust in God.

I suggest we become more fair in our assessment and not allow any form of bitterness and bias to prevail.

Thanks

frosbel:

Amen brother , unfortunately some people will rather boast in their accomplishments rather than boast in the Lord, this is my experience with deeperlife, endless boasting about how wonderful and holy they are , forgetting that this leads to pride.

Let us emulate Paul who admonished us to boast only in the LORD and nothing else , whatever changes that have occurred in the lives of people , it is by the Spirit of GOD.

kefmawin: Thanks and frosbel and Drumboy for the concerns raised in my post. My recalling of the great encounters of many in the Deeper Life Church is a matter of semantics as even a new convert understands that they are all the works of God and not men.

To the best of my knowledge, the Deeper Life church has made conscious effort to take attention from men and focus us Christ alone. That is why they encourage people to search the scriptures and build their spiritual life in order to access God for themselves and not jumping here and there after ministers.

I have also seen the highest display of humility among the leadership. One of their common expressions is "without Him we can do nothing". People are encouraged to put their trust in God.

I suggest we become more fair in our assessment and not allow any form of bitterness and bias to prevail.

Thanks

Thanks, this is just the reason why I decided to join the church. Members are encourage to make use of the bible without waiting or running after any so called man of God for vision etc.

seunlayi:
Thanks, this is just the reason why I decided to join the church. Members are encourage to make use of the bible without waiting or running after any so called man of God for vision etc.

as you join organisations and clubs, make sure you are a member of the Church of Christ.

frosbel:

as you join organisations and clubs, make sure you are a member of the Church of Christ.

what is the relationship between organisation, clubs and church of Christ.

seunlayi: what is the relationship between organisation, clubs and church of Christ.

one started and led by men, the other started and led by Jesus Christ.

The apology was to the church as a family I presume. Church buildings have doors. Options abound. Those still there have so chosen. They understand the essence of the apology better. Wishing the couple all the best. And to DL the abundance of grace and mercy to fulfil the purpose God established them for. If the foundation is in God and stays in Him, the best is yet to come.

solar007:

The apology was to the church as a family I presume. Church buildings have doors. Options abound. Those still there have so chosen. They understand the essence of the apology better. Wishing the couple all the best. And to DL the abundance of grace and mercy to fulfil the purpose God established them for. If the foundation is in God and stays in Him, the best is yet to come.

Amen and God bless you.

solar007: The apology was to the church as a family I presume. Church buildings have doors. Options abound. Those still there have so chosen. They understand the essence of the apology better. Wishing the couple all the best. And to DL the abundance of grace and mercy to fulfil the purpose God established them for. If the foundation is in God and stays in Him, the best is yet to come.

Babel has many doors but the real CHURCH has only ONE door and that door is Jesus Christ.

"So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep." - John 10:7

frosbel:

Babel has many doors but the real CHURCH has only ONE door and that door is Jesus Christ.

"So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep." - John 10:7

agreed,

why is

kefmawin: Thanks and frosbel and Drumboy for the concerns raised in my post. My recalling of the great encounters of many in the Deeper Life Church is a matter of semantics as even a new convert understands that they are all the works of God and not men.

To the best of my knowledge, the Deeper Life church has made conscious effort to take attention from men and focus us Christ alone. That is why they encourage people to search the scriptures and build their spiritual life in order to access God for themselves and not jumping here and there after ministers.

I have also seen the highest display of humility among the leadership. One of their common expressions is "without Him we can do nothing". People are encouraged to put their trust in God.

I suggest we become more fair in our assessment and not allow any form of bitterness and bias to prevail.

Thanks

Afterall, it is not only deeperlife that has its own issues, other churches do have their own different headache. How many church can discipline the son of their founder or oversear?

solar007: why is Afterall, it is not only deeperlife that has its own issues, other churches do have their own different headache. How many church can discipline the son of their founder or oversear?

but really how many churches are there and who owns them ?

frosbel:

but really how many churches are there and who owns them ?

we don't know how many, do you?

Image123:
we don't know how many, do you?

Learn to mind your business I did not ask you.

frosbel:

Learn to mind your business I did not ask you.

It's a public forum, and not a personal question. If you want privacy, you might want to ask your question on phone or through mail. You're a confused man seeking to confuse others, seek for help on time.

Image123:
It's a public forum, and not a personal question. If you want privacy, you might want to ask your question on phone or through mail. You're a confused man seeking to confuse others, seek for help on time.

Coming from you it is a compliment , my advice is stop preaching the fraud of tithe and you will be free.

When you are ready to throw away your traditional dogmas you just might learn a thing or two about the truth.

watch out

It has been suggested that if Pastor William Folorunso Kumuyi hadn’t been the cleric who moved on to be rated among the world’s small circle of highly esteemed church-men, he would still have scaled the peak in any secular activity.

Those who hold this view say Kumuyi’s first class degree in Mathematics at the University of Lagos, and the early mentoring he received first at home and later at Mayflower College, Ikenne, under militant educationist, Dr. Tai Solarin would have guaranteed performances stellar in any field.

Observers add these initial endowments to what they describe as the clergyman’s later acquisitions, clock-work discipline, charisma, humility and a cast-iron disposition to succeed against all odds, conclude that Kumuyi had possessed a bottomless box of tricks that would have made him to strike gold wherever he chose to fulfill his destiny, temporal or religious.

Still, others undertaking a deeper study of the success story of Kumuyi these past 70 years argue that he wouldn’t have come this far without what they call, his “holy rebellion” against a host of trammels .

First, he had to abandon the Anglican Church of his father. Next he revolted against the uncompromising atheism forced upon him by Solarin at Mayflower. Pastor Kumuyi broke the last chain when he refused entreaties of the leaders of Apostolic Faith over his convictions on evangelism.

Referred to as “the young man who is going astray.” Kumuyi stood his ground and was eventually excommunicated in 1977.

Now, all this appears to be narrow secular interpretation, because Christian chroniclers say this revered General Superintendent of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry had only been fulfilling a destiny long mapped out by his Creator. He himself, they argue has been helpless in playing God’s script.

This is the way they put it: when Kumuyi was born on June 6, 1941, his parents put him in the custody of God and named him Folorunso to reflect his status. So, according to this school of thought, when on April 5, 1964 at the age of 23 , Kumuyi became born-again, God declared to him :well, son, I’ ll watch over you. But you must meet some conditions. You’ll submit to ME wholeheartedly. The gifts I’ve given you (your life, good education, discipline, charisma, tender heart, humility etc) you’d have to use them My way! The world uses them to acquire harmful wealth, fame and power. You’ll not do so. And the only way not to go the worldly way is to stay in My vineyard all your days. Outside it, you can’t escape falling into deadly worldly wealth, fame and power. I’m going to mould and tame you and sublimate your gifts.

Pastor Kumuyi agreed with this view of God being at work in his life. He once told the editor of a London-based magazine: “I began to notice it when I became a born-again Christian … it was then that I saw the destiny and the way the Lord had orchestrated everything.” (emphasis mine). And what extraordinary orchestration of evangelical work God has truly made of Project Kumuyi!

Starting with a 15-member Bible Study Group in August 1973 in his Flat 2 residence within the University of Lagos campus where he was a Mathematics lecturer, Kumuyi rapidly attracted droves that hungered for the unparallel teaching and exposition of the Holy Book he was offering. He gave more: a sincere commitment to spreading the gospel of Jesus which wasn’t available elsewhere. It’s still rare!

His tactics and strategy yielded mammoth harvests. For in only two years, this non-denominational assembly had not only 1500 devotees, but also it had the wherewithal and “audacity” to hold a retreat in December 1975 at the Federal College of Education Akoka, Lagos. Soon, Deeper Life Bible Study Groups were holding and staging retreats outside Lagos: Ilesa and Osogbo (1976), Omoku (1976), Ogun, Old Bendel, Imo and Anambra (1977). He also spread to the Muslim Kwara in the north.

In 1979, upon being invited to lead a crusade in Kumasi, Ghana’s second largest city, Kumuyi with about 30 members started a Bible Study Group. This sparked the fire of Deeper Life’s international evangelism work, as it transformed into a church in 1983 and has since touched nearly all of Africa, major parts of the deep recesses of Asia, America and Europe! Kumuyi has practically been everywhere the church has been planted, worldwide, stamping his Heaven-given vision on the leaders and congregations to ensure doctrinal and pedagogical uniformity.

In the process, a unique ecclesiastical brand has emerged, along with a breed (followership) distinct from what society was used to.

How did Kumuyi leaning only on his salary as a lecturer, with no affiliation to, funding from foreign church organisations or from the established orthodox Christian groups in Nigeria, record a thumping great success even when he was teaching such “heresies” as inflexible holiness, one-man-one-wife, no-smoking –no-drinking , no white lie etc in an age where all these were expedient baggage?

The answer is two-fold, first the God-force driving him; it’s impossible for such a man to work unless he drops that control! It’s akin to the contest in Acts5: puny apostles versus mighty priests and pharisaic council.

The second reason is Pastor Kumuyi himself. He is a sacrificial leader. He works tirelessly, selflessly and with unblinking commitment to achieve goals. He is a poor humble leader who hasn’t monetized fame nor personalized (appropriated) the popularity of Deeper Life Bible Church. He has logically, hatched a fellowship with the same virtues. They’re replicating the Deeper Life success.

Pastor Kumuyi’s colossal grasp of the scriptures has led to the submission that he “teaches the Bible as if he was there when it was written”.

A typical Kumuyi teaching is a beauty to behold. He brightens and deepens delivery with laborious scholarship and stylistic deployment of a vast range of figurative devices including alliteration.

It is music to your ears and a balm to the spirit as the pastor is not given to fleeting hysterics and drama.

There is one abiding lesson Pastor Kumuyi teaches Nigeria and its leaders, not from the pulpit, but from his life: A truly selfless leader will always breed selfless and dedicated followership. If the leader monetizes his position and all around him are totems of opulence, the citizens will, by hook or crook seek their own totems of opulence, no matter the volumes of homilies on patriotism and rebranding we dish out on radio, TV or newspapers!

Wow, that's such a beautiful write up, so impressive.

Pastor worship......cntd.

solar007: It has been suggested that if Pastor William Folorunso Kumuyi hadn’t been the cleric who moved on to be rated among the world’s small circle of highly esteemed church-men, he would still have scaled the peak in any secular activity.

Those who hold this view say Kumuyi’s first class degree in Mathematics at the University of Lagos, and the early mentoring he received first at home and later at Mayflower College, Ikenne, under militant educationist, Dr. Tai Solarin would have guaranteed performances stellar in any field.

Observers add these initial endowments to what they describe as the clergyman’s later acquisitions, clock-work discipline, charisma, humility and a cast-iron disposition to succeed against all odds, conclude that Kumuyi had possessed a bottomless box of tricks that would have made him to strike gold wherever he chose to fulfill his destiny, temporal or religious.

Still, others undertaking a deeper study of the success story of Kumuyi these past 70 years argue that he wouldn’t have come this far without what they call, his “holy rebellion” against a host of trammels .

First, he had to abandon the Anglican Church of his father. Next he revolted against the uncompromising atheism forced upon him by Solarin at Mayflower. Pastor Kumuyi broke the last chain when he refused entreaties of the leaders of Apostolic Faith over his convictions on evangelism.

Referred to as “the young man who is going astray.” Kumuyi stood his ground and was eventually excommunicated in 1977.

Now, all this appears to be narrow secular interpretation, because Christian chroniclers say this revered General Superintendent of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry had only been fulfilling a destiny long mapped out by his Creator. He himself, they argue has been helpless in playing God’s script.

This is the way they put it: when Kumuyi was born on June 6, 1941, his parents put him in the custody of God and named him Folorunso to reflect his status. So, according to this school of thought, when on April 5, 1964 at the age of 23 , Kumuyi became born-again, God declared to him :well, son, I’ ll watch over you. But you must meet some conditions. You’ll submit to ME wholeheartedly. The gifts I’ve given you (your life, good education, discipline, charisma, tender heart, humility etc) you’d have to use them My way! The world uses them to acquire harmful wealth, fame and power. You’ll not do so. And the only way not to go the worldly way is to stay in My vineyard all your days. Outside it, you can’t escape falling into deadly worldly wealth, fame and power. I’m going to mould and tame you and sublimate your gifts.

Pastor Kumuyi agreed with this view of God being at work in his life. He once told the editor of a London-based magazine: “I began to notice it when I became a born-again Christian … it was then that I saw the destiny and the way the Lord had orchestrated everything.” (emphasis mine). And what extraordinary orchestration of evangelical work God has truly made of Project Kumuyi!

Starting with a 15-member Bible Study Group in August 1973 in his Flat 2 residence within the University of Lagos campus where he was a Mathematics lecturer, Kumuyi rapidly attracted droves that hungered for the unparallel teaching and exposition of the Holy Book he was offering. He gave more: a sincere commitment to spreading the gospel of Jesus which wasn’t available elsewhere. It’s still rare!

His tactics and strategy yielded mammoth harvests. For in only two years, this non-denominational assembly had not only 1500 devotees, but also it had the wherewithal and “audacity” to hold a retreat in December 1975 at the Federal College of Education Akoka, Lagos. Soon, Deeper Life Bible Study Groups were holding and staging retreats outside Lagos: Ilesa and Osogbo (1976), Omoku (1976), Ogun, Old Bendel, Imo and Anambra (1977). He also spread to the Muslim Kwara in the north.

In 1979, upon being invited to lead a crusade in Kumasi, Ghana’s second largest city, Kumuyi with about 30 members started a Bible Study Group. This sparked the fire of Deeper Life’s international evangelism work, as it transformed into a church in 1983 and has since touched nearly all of Africa, major parts of the deep recesses of Asia, America and Europe! Kumuyi has practically been everywhere the church has been planted, worldwide, stamping his Heaven-given vision on the leaders and congregations to ensure doctrinal and pedagogical uniformity.

In the process, a unique ecclesiastical brand has emerged, along with a breed (followership) distinct from what society was used to.

How did Kumuyi leaning only on his salary as a lecturer, with no affiliation to, funding from foreign church organisations or from the established orthodox Christian groups in Nigeria, record a thumping great success even when he was teaching such “heresies” as inflexible holiness, one-man-one-wife, no-smoking –no-drinking , no white lie etc in an age where all these were expedient baggage?

The answer is two-fold, first the God-force driving him; it’s impossible for such a man to work unless he drops that control! It’s akin to the contest in Acts5: puny apostles versus mighty priests and pharisaic council.

The second reason is Pastor Kumuyi himself. He is a sacrificial leader. He works tirelessly, selflessly and with unblinking commitment to achieve goals. He is a poor humble leader who hasn’t monetized fame nor personalized (appropriated) the popularity of Deeper Life Bible Church. He has logically, hatched a fellowship with the same virtues. They’re replicating the Deeper Life success.

Pastor Kumuyi’s colossal grasp of the scriptures has led to the submission that he “teaches the Bible as if he was there when it was written”.

A typical Kumuyi teaching is a beauty to behold. He brightens and deepens delivery with laborious scholarship and stylistic deployment of a vast range of figurative devices including alliteration.

It is music to your ears and a balm to the spirit as the pastor is not given to fleeting hysterics and drama.

There is one abiding lesson Pastor Kumuyi teaches Nigeria and its leaders, not from the pulpit, but from his life: A truly selfless leader will always breed selfless and dedicated followership. If the leader monetizes his position and all around him are totems of opulence, the citizens will, by hook or crook seek their own totems of opulence, no matter the volumes of homilies on patriotism and rebranding we dish out on radio, TV or newspapers!

very interesting write-up. Thank you paddy mi

Mintayo:
u dnt say d truth by judging somebody and condemning somebody!
i will say it again,no man has a right to condemn any man of God!
Most of dem admit it and moved,bt it is ppl like u who spread and enlarge them!
If dis story is true,den ppl shld forget abt it and move on too;kumuyi's son admits it,dt s y he apologized,i think ppl shld let dem be...so what r u talking abt!
I am not a member of deeperlife bt we v ppl here who has nt removed d tree in their eyes bt are trying to remove d log in ppl's eyes...too bad!

Whenever someone says a "man of God" is above criticism, I just want to get back to my Bible and delete those 'critical and condemning' characters like Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremaiah, John the Baptizer and the other prophets sent by God to correct, reprimand or even condemn anointed men of God like the kings and priests.

I implore people to be careful what you believe or say. You might be condemning God Himself if you condemn those He truly sends to speak out against misdeeds and evil. Sure, not everyone speaking is sent, but how do we know the difference?

Mintayo: ...... People who have not removed the ...,in their eyes

I wonder o, even people that the son of their GO cannot be touch are moving their mouth anyhow to the extent of calling the dress sexy whereas, what the have in their church during such occasion are just like exhibition of the bride bosssom. God help His church

.