druid06:

I think your moniker should be foo-lishness or stupi-dity as you never have anything reasonable to say.

Visit https://www.nairaland.com/1343722/username-change where I wrote a short note to Seun about my username change.

PAGAN 9JA:

Wrong. THose were the period of the Kingdoms. its not called dark ages. Those were just the times. it was the way the whole world was running back then,There is nothing wrong with wearing leaves (atleast back then or even now in villages), as our climate is very hot and we all were not wearing leaves, exactly. depends on the ethnicity, location, etc. Hunting wild animals/subsistence hunting is a good clean way of life.I don't see anything wrong here.

I used the term dark ages not as a derogative term relating to the way Africa was back then but as a way to compare the slow developmental process we were undergoing back then.

If you feel there's nothing wrong wearing leaves, I think you need to think again. I suspect you're fully claded there, May I ask why? Why don't you wear leaves??

Hunting wild animals was a good way to live and a good way for a man back then to sustain his family but what if the population growth of Africans in respect to the wild animals was in serious low. Don't you think that would be a medium of extinction to those animals?


We learnt language already from our ancestors. And we had farming tools. My people , the Hausa are originally farmers. we knew how to make ploughs, hoes, etc. We even have a ritual centred around these farming implements.
THe scientifically learned and we all know that jesus was not the son of a god. A spiritual force cannot have a physical human child. it is against the laws of nature. and this son of god has not done anything to this world. instead his doctrines have made this world worse.as for hope. he has created this scenario were everyone thinks they are going to land in hellfire. this sense of hopelessness has furthered created a situation whereby criminals who have murdered or comitted "sins" wont hesistate to do moreso again, since they know they are already doomed to hell.or they may just commit a million crimes and then ask forgiveness from the "all merciful" jesus.

Logicboy03:


So, your defense is that you were ignorant about the meaning of "druid"....wow

Logicboy03:


So, your defense is that you were ignorant about the meaning of "druid"....wow

druid06:

I think your moniker should be foo-lishness or stupi-dity as you never have anything reasonable to say.

Visit https://www.nairaland.com/1343722/username-change where I wrote a short note to Seun about my username change.

PAGAN 9JA:





oh my Gods! you didn't know the meaning of druid

are you a christian btw?

druid06:



Now my question to you is? If the white man hadn't visited Africa, do you think we would have gotten where we are today? Do you think we would have evolved into the way we are now? Do you think we would have measured intellectually to our western counterparts if they hadn't visited us long time ago and brought with them some knowledge. My anwers to that question is no. Call me a white worshipping african and whatever derogative name you might come up with but deep down inside, you know I'm right

druid06:




a religion saw a way to put man on a leash, to reduce that desire to kill and commit attrocities and they made up that part about everlasting burning pit and for a while, it worked. I might be wrong with this thesis though.

So my point is man has the tendency to wreck havoc and destroy so the few wise amongst us created religion (or was inspired by GOD) to keep us on a leash though some evil minded individuals and power mongrels saw a way to use religion as their personal tool for destruction too and obtain power.

plaetton:
You seem to have a very narrow view of human history.
Human life began in Africa. That is not disputable.
Human Civilisation began in Africa and spread forth. That is is not disputable.

Civilisation is spread mainly through trade and conquest as people come into contact with new ideas and new cultures. It is usually a gradual process of assimilation as smaller and less sophisticated cultures are subsumed by larger more dominant cultures.
The tropical rain forest climate and vegetation in sub-sahara Africa made it particularly difficult for trade and conquest.
So, for many millenia, small pockets of tribes were isolated from the greater and the dynamic civilisations of the northern hemispheres.
We still see that today in Amazon regions of Brazil where there are still some pockets of tribes that are yet to be exposed to modern civilisation.

Believe it or not, Islam, yes Islam, brought civilisation to Europe.

The idea that the Europeans saved us from something is rubbish. They came to loot for their dying empires, and religion, something they understood very well, served as a wonderful and effective tranquilizer for native tribes of Africa.
When the Europeans, tired and devastated by centuries of religious wars, went out to seek new resources in Africa, they inevitably brought their own cultures, religion and civilisations to Africa. The religion, ofcourse, was their ultimate weapon for long term dominion of the African people.
Religion, a tranquilizer that, when administered once, permanently takes over the mind and replicates itself for eternity, unless interrupted by a catastrophic event, such as a good education and the triumph of reason.


Did you say that religion puts man on a leash to reduce the desire to kill and commit atrocities?

Have you read the bible yet?
Have you heard of crusade?
Have you heard of Islam and jihad?

Correction: Religion puts man on a yolk, and compels him to hate, exploit, kill and commit atrocicities in the name and on behalf of the god of his religion.

druid06:



In total, your points are compelling and not so different as to what I was trying to say but you made the points more bold and more effectively to stand but there's some aspect of your views I think are contradictory to mine.

You say life began in Africa. Science teaches us that and with proof so that is undisputed but religion says another. So for the sake of derailing, I would keep religion aside. You say civilization started in Africa and here is the part I don't understand. How did it start? Do Ethopians and Egyptians considered themselves Africans? I would understand your argument being civilization started in Egypt but my question is, does Egyptian call themselves Africans. You already know the answer to that question which is no. If Egyptians and Ethopians never considered themselves to be Africans, how did civilization started in Africa.. Am I making sense?

You say Islam brought civilization to Europe. I don't agree with this but I would keep calm because I'm not sure so kindly explain how.

I also totally agree with you on the fact that the Europeans came into to Africa to loot for their dying empires and use religion as a weapon while inadvertly bringing civilization to Africa.

Now here's the question: On your first paragraph, you mentioned something about Africa being civilized then you further on went to say the Europeans inadvertly brought civilization to Africa. Are you not contradicting your statement? If Africa as you say was already civilized, how did the Europeans bring civilization to a continent that already was civilized?? Are you getting my argument?

I would stand on my ground about what I said about religion putting man on a leash and reducing his desire to commit hateful crimes towards others.

I have read the Bible countless of times that I can remember how many times I've held the book. I know there are stories that depicted serious destruction of lives and properties but the part people like you tend to forget is that there are two parts of the Bible. The old and the new testaments. Even though the new testament is directly contradictory to the old testament, it teaches the Christians new laws as to how to live. The new testament teaches Christians about tolerating each other and people of other faiths, about loving one another and about the consequences if Christians don't measure up to that standard. The old testament is there in the Bible as just a reminder to Christians how things have changed.

Now for the sake of derailing anymore, the reason why I believe religion (Christianity) has somehow tamed man desire for destruction is in the Bible. The Bible made Christians understand the peril of not going through with God's commandment is death and those unfaithfuls would be cast into a pit of burning pit forever and those who obey would live everlasting lifes in Paradise. Nobody wants to be thrown into an endless pit of burning flame so sometimes, that is a warning to those who want to commit attrocities and in a way Christianity has tamed man's desire for destruction.

A religion like Islam, I can't vouch for because I don't understand what their value is, I haven't read their Quran and Hadith but from the look of things happen around me and in the muslim nations, I can't say I'm impressed.

The Bible teaches about love, respect, accepting other people differences and if we as human's could abide by that rule, I think there would be everlasting peace. Also, there are smart people out there who read between the lines of this Holy books and use them to perpetrate evil for the purpose of getting power and what not. I hope I've made some sense.

Even before the advent of religion, man has always exploited, killed and commited atrocicities.

druid06:



Africa was living in the dark ages but the westerners invaded us and gave us enlightenment though some greedy ones saw how naive we were and took advantage of us. If they hadn't had visited Africa, we would still be wearing leaves to cover our nake-dness and hunting wild animals as food like savages so I give them kudos for that.

I told you to give me the names of Africans who has brought enlightenment to the continent Africa, and all you had to come up with was list of popular Africans. Did Nelson Mandella teach us how to read of write or did Didier Drogba help us create simple farming tools.

The question of who Jesus was is something I have learnt not to tamper with or any religious matter whatsoever. No one is absolutely certain if he was made up and just gargautan lie or if he truly existed and if he is the son of GOD but one thing I know, Christianity or any other religion has given people the means to Hope. Man without hope is nothing.

So stop asking yourself what this palenstine got to do with Africa but try to look for a solution to better the lives of those around you or simply just start from yourself.

Logicboy03:


The bible is a book of hate not love. The old testament is full of hate for foriegners, unbelievers and homosexuals.

The New testament is full of hate for women and pharisees.




BTW, Ethopians and Egyptians consider themselves African. You are ignorant like every other average christian I have met

druid06:



I'm not a religious zealot, I'm more like a free thinker. I do believe of a super-intelligent being but I am not sure where he truly exist in one form of religion or another.

Africa was living in the dark ages but the westerners invaded us and gave us enlightenment though some greedy ones saw how naive we were and took advantage of us. If they hadn't had visited Africa, we would still be wearing leaves to cover our nake-dness and hunting wild animals as food like savages so I give them kudos for that.

I told you to give me the names of Africans who has brought enlightenment to the continent Africa, and all you had to come up with was list of popular Africans. Did Nelson Mandella teach us how to read of write or did Didier Drogba help us create simple farming tools.

The question of who Jesus was is something I have learnt not to tamper with or any religious matter whatsoever. No one is absolutely certain if he was made up and just gargautan lie or if he truly existed and if he is the son of GOD but one thing I know, Christianity or any other religion has given people the means to Hope. Man without hope is nothing.

So stop asking yourself what this palenstine got to do with Africa but try to look for a solution to better the lives of those around you or simply just start from yourself.

Chibuebem: GOD is a just God that punishes sin. He is also a loving and merciful father, thats why he tolerates your foolishness and ignorance. You are the most ignorant of all the atheists i've met so far on nairaland. You read the bible with a myopic mind, only trying to justify your false logic. God punishes sin, and you call that hatred. He critized the religious nature of the pharisees and you call that hatred. Smh

Chibuebem: I wonder if the op has read 2 corinthians 5:16 before...we know christ now as the powerful and very much alive son of God, the messiah. Not a white or black or yellow man. He was from israel according to the flesh, but was announced to be the son of God with power by the ressurection from the dead(romans 1:3,4)

Chibuebem: I wonder if the op has read 2 corinthians 5:16 before...we know christ now as the powerful and very much alive son of God, the messiah. Not a white or black or yellow man. He was from israel according to the flesh, but was announced to be the son of God with power by the ressurection from the dead(romans 1:3,4)

plaetton: Today, tens millions of black Africans, both at home and in the diaspora, will leave the comfort of their homes to go to church to praise and worship this man? - A white man, going by the images that we have all come to accept.

You can hardly go to a black man's household without seeing a portrait of this man hanging on the wall, his car or his wallet.

Who is this man?
More like, who was this man, what exactly did he do for Africa and or for humanity?

Africa has produced many great men over the many millenia, so has the entire humanity.

What great achievements sets this particular white man apart from all the great men of antiquity?
What sets him apart from all the great men who have sacrificed and contributed so much to the progress of our modern humanity?

This brings to mind one of my favourite poems that goes like this:

"God will not ask of thy house, nor of thy treasures,
Alone he will ask of thee,
What has thou done on Earth?"

History, both ancient and modern, is filled with countless men and women, who have, in my humble opinion, done sooo much more and contributed sooooooo much more to the progress of humanity than this adopted Tokumbo hero of the African people.

So my big question is:
What did this apparently blond hair, blue eyed Palestinian do on Earth, particularly in Africa, to deserve such overwhelming reverence and irrational obsession by Black Africans?

Mr Troll: ^^^
Gbam! Gbammer!! Gbammest!!!


Btw plaetton, you neva explain that random thingy o!

druid06:



You're abosolutely right about the fact that we already had our own form of communication and I am not disputing the fact that our ancestors used primitive tools for farming. Now my question to you is? If the white man hadn't visited Africa, do you think we would have gotten where we are today? Do you think we would have evolved into the way we are now? Do you think we would have measured intellectually to our western counterparts if they hadn't visited us long time ago and brought with them some knowledge. My anwers to that question is no. Call me a white worshipping african and whatever derogative name you might come up with but deep down inside, you know I'm right

Even before the advent of this modern day religion (Christianity and Islam [The two most contradictory religions]). We were ones pagans. The greeks had so many gods they were worshipping but people back then still had reasons to kill. Some kill to occupy new teritory, some kill others with contradictory believes to their gods, some kill just for the fun of it and crime was modestly high. Same with the romans and same with Africa too.

Since the beginning of time, man has alway been an animal, killing for no reason whatsoever and blaming it on a cause. It's in our blood, we were created that way but a religion saw a way to put man on a leash, to reduce that desire to kill and commit attrocities and they made up that part about everlasting burning pit and for a while, it worked. I might be wrong with this thesis though.

So my point is man has the tendency to wreck havoc and destroy so the few wise amongst us created religion (or was inspired by GOD) to keep us on a leash though some evil minded individuals and power mongrels saw a way to use religion as their personal tool for destruction too and obtain power. We are all one regardless of our skin colour and our differences. The only way mankind would ever come to peace is if we start accepting others differences and look beyond our skin colours.

druid06:


You say life began in Africa. Science teaches us that and with proof so that is undisputed but religion says another. So for the sake of derailing, I would keep religion aside. You say civilization started in Africa and here is the part I don't understand. How did it start? Do Ethopians and Egyptians considered themselves Africans? I would understand your argument being civilization started in Egypt but my question is, does Egyptian call themselves Africans. You already know the answer to that question which is no. If Egyptians and Ethopians never considered themselves to be Africans, how did civilization started in Africa.. Am I making sense?

I have read the Bible countless of times that I can remember how many times I've held the book. I know there are stories that depicted serious destruction of lives and properties but the part people like you tend to forget is that there are two parts of the Bible. The old and the new testaments. Even though the new testament is directly contradictory to the old testament, it teaches the Christians new laws as to how to live. The new testament teaches Christians about tolerating each other and people of other faiths, about loving one another and about the consequences if Christians don't measure up to that standard. The old testament is there in the Bible as just a reminder to Christians how things have changed.

The Bible teaches about love, respect, accepting other people differences and if we as human's could abide by that rule, I think there would be everlasting peace. Also, there are smart people out there who read between the lines of this Holy books and use them to perpetrate evil for the purpose of getting power and what not. I hope I've made some sense.

Even before the advent of religion, man has always exploited, killed and commited atrocicities.

plaetton:

And how many Natives of Israel are reading your 2 Corinthians 5:6?

That is exactly my point. Even the people who were there tell you that it's all a fairy tale, no, a fraud, but you, a black African from Far away Africa, adopted this co.c.k and bull story as your own to create and live in your own fragmented reality.

Son of god my foot!

Should we examine the biography of this son of god who ,I suppose, Journeyed many light years from the heavenly above to reside amongst men for 33yrs?.

What is the legacy that this most august visitor left for humanity, particularly Africa?

Did he visit Africa? Did go on a world tour?
He just confined himself to a few villages for 33yrs and left, and the rest of the world just expected to hear about it and believe?

And even if he did come, and so what?

What exactly did he achieve for himself, or for mankind. In what way did his being amongst humans, advance the human race in any meaningful and positive way, compare to the great men of history?

I am quite sure you are going to say that he came to do some spiritual mumbo jumbo work!
To that I would say: Really?
Why come to Earth, a physical world , to do a spiritual work?
Since we are currently living in a physical world, Infact the only world we know, of what use is, or has spiritual work ever been to mankind?

Show me an iota of proof that whatever spiritual transformation Jesus came to perform actually worked in any way.

I can argue that he left the world a much more divided, fragmented, and confusing place than he met it.

plaetton:

And how many Natives of Israel are reading your 2 Corinthians 5:6?

That is exactly my point. Even the people who were there tell you that it's all a fairy tale, no, a fraud, but you, a black African from Far away Africa, adopted this co.c.k and bull story as your own to create and live in your own fragmented reality.

Son of god my foot!

Should we examine the biography of this son of god who ,I suppose, Journeyed many light years from the heavenly above to reside amongst men for 33yrs?.

What is the legacy that this most august visitor left for humanity, particularly Africa?

Did he visit Africa? Did go on a world tour?
He just confined himself to a few villages for 33yrs and left, and the rest of the world just expected to hear about it and believe?

And even if he did come, and so what?

What exactly did he achieve for himself, or for mankind. In what way did his being amongst humans, advance the human race in any meaningful and positive way, compare to the great men of history?

I am quite sure you are going to say that he came to do some spiritual mumbo jumbo work!
To that I would say: Really?
Why come to Earth, a physical world , to do a spiritual work?
Since we are currently living in a physical world, Infact the only world we know, of what use is, or has spiritual work ever been to mankind?

Show me an iota of proof that whatever spiritual transformation Jesus came to perform actually worked in any way.

I can argue that he left the world a much more divided, fragmented, and confusing place than he met it.

Toluwarni: That A-W-E-S-O-M-E dude there saved the entire universe... His legacy?? Still keeping you fuc..king retards alive.