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Why I Raise My Children Without God by mantraa: 10:56am On Aug 03, 2013 |
When my son was around 3 years old, he used to ask me a lot of questions about heaven. Where is it? How do people walk without a body? How will I find you? You know the questions that kids ask. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-910282 |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by OneNigeria44(m): 11:05am On Aug 03, 2013 |
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Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by UyiIredia(m): 11:22am On Aug 03, 2013 |
With great potential for good comes a like propensity for evil. As it is with God so it applies to man. I think it inane one dismisses God for evil despite good and upholds science for good forsaking its evil. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by iamswizz(m): 11:27am On Aug 03, 2013 |
*Yawns* Boring Tale. Even the bible knows that some will not still believe in God, no wonder she calls them fools! |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by Nobody: 11:40am On Aug 03, 2013 |
couldn't read all. who did? |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by Nomski0(f): 11:46am On Aug 03, 2013 |
Why are you giving reasons to us as to why you dont want to raise your children without God? Are you trying to justify your decision. If you want to train anti-christs thats your effing business. #nuff said. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by Nobody: 1:38pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
SMH for her. I just pity the kids who were so unfortunate to have you as a mother. Dont even let me talk on the trash you posted up there. iamswizz: *Yawns* Whew! That's heavy! |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by plaetton: 2:39pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: With great potential for good comes a like propensity for evil. As it is with God so it applies to man. I think it inane one dismisses God for evil despite good and upholds science for good forsaking its evil. The difference is that religion arrogates to itself and sets out to set the standard, to model and to control human behaviour towards some ultimate goal. Science does not do that. The point is that no single good ever comes out of religion. Religion actually encourages evil because it promotes that idea of forgiveness of sins. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:25pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
@ OP..... Why cant you allow your child to realise that religion is evil and god is illogical by himself/herself? Forcing down your disbelief on that little child throat will be form of indoctrination and prohibiting is freedom right of exploring and self understanding of life... If tomorrow he/she goes to school and mix up with religious kid, he will look at you as evil person. It is a natural stuff in young people to test things out no matter how you paint it. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by UyiIredia(m): 3:28pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
plaetton: Science does precisely that. The scientific method is defined, modelled and taught to all in school and in popular culture it is reinforced that science hold the key to man's greater good. Science came out of religion: it is most clear that from the medieval era the enlingthment era proceeded and more importantly the icons of that era had no qualms with religion. Of course l the term forgiveness of sins betrays the all to common meme amongst atheists of equating religion to Christianity since it's the most prominent. I was referring to religion in general. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by Nobody: 3:33pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
iamswizz: *Yawns* ^^^^ exactly...lol my future kids will hear about God. that's all I care about. good luck with that op/or who ever wrote that. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by sakaguchi(m): 8:21pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
I was born in the north and only spent 2 of my 23 years on earth South of the Niger, question is, if I follow the assertion of the bible to its core, then I will not be happy even in heaven, for instance, all of my close friends are Muslims, the few that I have who are christians are mostly from my state, my girlfriend is a Muslim and I dare say that she's better than most of the christian sisters I have seen going to church, this is not to say Muslims are all in all good as I have seen many many Muslim girls that are badt, so badt I could swear the fear of God is far from them, I find it difficult to tell my good girl that she's is going to hell simply because she's a Muslim, if she had been born by my parents and I was born by hers, I would have been a Muslim and she, a Christian, would that mean that I will go to the pit of hell while she enjoys in heaven? If that is the case, is the habitat called heaven not a place people go by chance? Come to think of it, is Mahatma Ganhi ( a hindu) going to hell? For God sake that guy is Godly than many Christians and Muslim, why would God put Mahatma Gandhi in the same hell fire that Adolf Hittler will occupy? I don't mean to cause any offense here but I like the lifestyle of Budha more than Muhammed, and I think that Gandhi is better than pope Francis, pope Benedict, Bishop Oyedepo, and pastor Adeboye combined. And all these are good men. I am sure that none of us here on this thread would be a Muslim or a Christian if we were born in Japan. Many people take the religion of the society and family they are born into, if the author of this piece was born in Saudi Arabia, she won't hold this opinion, If boko haram's shekau was born in Harlem (USA) he might have been a rapper. If that is the case, I think it is racist if one religion goes to heaven and the rest all go to hell. I believe in God, I believe in heaven and hell, but I believe that all religion on EARTH are scam, well, that's just me thinking. Heaven and hell is going to be judged with right and wrong and not by religion, this again is my humble opinion. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by mantraa: 8:26pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
Not believing in a god is not evil or bad. There are thousands of different gods that people have worshipped and tens of thousands of different religions. What makes you so sure you were lucky enough to be born in a country where they worship the right one? You did not choose where you were born and you know that people in other counties with different beliefs are not evil and destined for hell. In fact, the concept of hell is a very cruel and evil concept that keeps people afraid to question their belief system even though it is full of contradictions, horrific stories of genocide, r.ape, infanticide, and talking animals. You must know deep down that its all a myth and you can be good without god. Science is finding more and more natural answers to things we used to think we're evidence of god at work. There is still so much more to learn, so lets open our minds and not be afraid to go where the evidence leads us. Religions hold us back and divide us, whereas science has discovered that we are all evolved from Africa millions of years ago. We are all related. we are all AFRICANS. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by UyiIredia(m): 10:31pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
^^^I first came accross 'We Are Africans' slogan on RDFRS. Funny though, most African inhabitants don't bother about or believe in evolution. Neither do I. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by Nobody: 10:35pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: ^^^I first came accross 'We Are Africans' slogan on RDFRS. Funny though, most African inhabitants don't bother about or believe in evolution. Neither do I. Follow the masses like a sheep. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by UyiIredia(m): 10:49pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
Logicboy03: As I see your name I suspected you replied my post. You sure say u no dey troll me ? |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by Nobody: 10:51pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: SMH...... |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by noblefada: 12:12am On Aug 04, 2013 |
The issue I've with the Op is that most of their reason are based on the ignorant stuff they told them about God. God was not responsible for anything put up there n because of false deny those young ones the right to know is just so sad. By the way we're beginning to see that indoctrination is not solely a religious concept but a humanity thing. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by turnstoner(m): 7:53am On Aug 04, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: The above is a perfect example of crooked logic/reasoning: If the enlightenment era emerged from the medieval era does that equate the two eras? The icons of that era didn't have qualms with religion therefore people of modern era should be like them? Are you so ignorant that you haven't noticed the shifts in paradigms since then |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by UyiIredia(m): 9:52am On Aug 04, 2013 |
turnstoner: This is a good example of the strawman fallacy. Where did I equate the 2 eras ? I said one gave rise to the other. The shift in paradigms (from mostly theistic to mostly materialistic) since then does not bother me: what is 'bothersome' is your inanity crudely displayed. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by Nobody: 10:37am On Aug 04, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: Science existed before religion. Dumbazz. The first man that lit a fire and then recreated that fire from observation of the first parameters, engaged in science. If you want to talk about the enlightenment- the enlightenment came despite religion |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by turnstoner(m): 11:01am On Aug 04, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: If the shifts in paradigms and the subsequent accumulation of facts and certainties does not make any difference to you then you must be one prehistoric crocodile. By saying that the icons of that era didn't have qualms with religion you are suggesting that we shouldn't have, too. In other words, nothing has changed i.e., you are equating the two eras. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by mantraa: 11:34am On Aug 04, 2013 |
It seems clear that science came out of the curiosity to investigate the world without including god in the equation. This method was always very risky with the threat of being branded a heretic and tortured and killed by the religious authority. However, the scientific method has proved much more successful in understanding the world and universe that we live in. Scientists have looked at the air we breathe and discovered it is made of different gasses like hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen etc. They have investigated light and discovered the electromagnetic spectrum, the colours of the rainbow and the real reason why it forms. They have discovered electricity and the real reason why lightning forms, the reason why the sun burns thought nuclear fusion, the reason why the wind blows, plate tectonics and earthquakes, DNA, natural selection and evolution etc. the list goes on and on. And in all cases no supernatural gods have been found to be involved even though for centuries people thought that these were acts of god. Religions have held back progress by imposing harsh punishments on those who dared to question. Now that the influence of religious believers is dropping, human understanding of the universe has increased immensely. If there really are gods out there somewhere, the evidence should lead us there. So far all the evidence is indicating there are no gods. Allah, Yahweh, Krishna, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Sango, Oduduwa, Zeus, Thor, etc, are all man made gods and prophets of gods. This is where the evidence is taking us, and millions are finally waking up to the fact that you can be good, ethical and moral without believing in ancient supernatural fairytales. (And you won't be burned at the stake as a heretic by man, or condemned to everlasting torture in hell by a god for the 'crime' of thinking rationally). |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by UyiIredia(m): 1:41pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
turnstoner: *in Viru Sahasstrabudhe's voice* 'As expected.' You commit the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (after this, therefore because of this). The fallacy is claiming that my argument of icons the enlightment era having no qualms with religion (post hoc) means that I'm equating the two (ergo propter hoc). You must_and you didn't_show how suggesting that you shouldn't have qualms with religion (a wrong inference because I know your ilk does and I was using it wrt my beliefs) translates to saying that the medieval and enlightment eras are the same. It would be interesting to see you try. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by UyiIredia(m): 1:46pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
turnstoner: *in Viru Sahasstrabudhe's voice* 'As expected.' You commit the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (after this, therefore because of this). The fallacy is claiming that my argument of icons the enlightment era having no qualms with religion (post hoc) means that I'm equating the two (ergo propter hoc). You must_and you didn't_show how suggesting that you shouldn't have qualms with religion (a wrong inference because I know your ilk does and I was using it wrt my beliefs) translates to saying that the medieval and enlightment eras are the same. It would be interesting to see you try. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by UyiIredia(m): 2:41pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
mantraa: It seems clear that science came out of the curiosity to investigate the world without including god in the equation. This method was always very risky with the threat of being branded a heretic and tortured and killed by the religious authority. Nonsense. There is a reason why metaphysics was said by a certain famed man of old to be the first and last science. I assert that science rests on the metaphysical (or supernatural if you will). Science starts from consciousness (or intelligence if you will). It is a conscious thing which notes an event, deems it a problem and arrives at the solution when satisfied with an understanding of preceding causal events. The mystery and solution thereof start and end with consciousness which all science rests on. As surely as you, the plaetton's and the Murray Gellmann's of this world say there is nothing more, and that Nature and its laws are proceed the result of chance and exist by virtue of themselves: I, the Planck's and Newton's of this world will state that the fundamental aspect of reality is a non-contingent conscious being, understood in religions, to be God who defined this physical world and made men with sufficient consciousness requisite to apprehend this reality. This consciousness being 'something more' pre-requisite to science. 2 Tim 3:5 comes to my mind when people allude to mind resulting from matter without God. "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness." - Max Planck |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by Nobody: 10:31am On Aug 05, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: You write as if you are dropping some real intellectual gems. Unfortunately, what you wrote in bold is the biggest unscientific, pseudoscientific nonsense I have ever read in my life. Metaphysics is philosophy and not natural science. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by mamsong9(m): 10:53am On Aug 05, 2013 |
mantraa: I pray that Allah wul cure you from this destructive sickness.... |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by mantraa: 11:00am On Aug 05, 2013 |
I pray that Allah wul cure you from this destructive sickness I pray that Sango will cure you from your destructive sickness. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by UyiIredia(m): 1:19am On Aug 10, 2013 |
Logicboy03: The scientific method, logic and causality are METAPHYSICAL concepts undergirding science. Those concepts aren't empirically verified but they are the means by which we carry out any empirical analysis. My point was on how a basis thing necessary to science (consciousness and pre-requisite intellect) is itself in fact metaphysical. |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by Nobody: 5:24am On Aug 10, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: The easiest way to debunk your nonsense is to ask for proof. Give an example of metaphysical concepts guidingn science |
Re: Why I Raise My Children Without God by UyiIredia(m): 2:55pm On Aug 10, 2013 |
Logicboy03: I already stated them. Causality, Logic and the scientific method. |
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