BetaThings: Nothing! He can have his fun. No need to spoil it!
Thanks for the correction, You can be EQUALLY yoked, but not UNequally yoked. Meaning if they are attacking, and you are not, it is unequal and you should not be so yoked with them. So you need to match any attack with greater ferocity so that you can match the "unbeliever" and be "EQUALLY" yoked with them
Exactly. You further prove my point. Those are the things you say. But reality is different Otherwise why the blood history, rather than living peacefully! 20m+ dead in Taiping rebellion alone Your Wars of religion took 30 years! Your crusade had you smacking your lips as your horses waded in knee-high pool of blood You tagged along as your colonial soldiers massacred and subdued people all over the world and as soon as bloody "victory" after merciless "victor" was secured, you now stepped forward to deliver your message of "love, peace and salvation"; the message was never ever presented before the brutal conquests The "Sun Never set of the British Empire" - so also was the reach of your message
Up Simon Bolivar!
You are yet to discover what Christianity is all about. Jesus was killed, His disciples were killed not fighting any war. Anyone who fights for God is not a Christian. Christians are not supposed to slap how much more kill. But don't muslims have the command to kill? Is there not on records?
tbaba1234: Brilliant piece from Abdullah Al andalusi
Congratulations pro-Coup Egyptians! on your marriage to the Secular Military. I heard the UAE and Kuwait paid the Dowry, the two witnesses were King Abdullah of Jordan, and King Abdullah of Saud (who was reportedly crying tears of joy), Barack Obama was the qadi (judge), and Benyamin Netanyahu threw the confetti. The red carpet was dyed to the right colour, using in the recently shed blood of the enemies of Israel, the US and the secularists - namely, those they call 'Islamists'. And the thrown bouquet was picked up by the Secularists of Tunisia -tradition holds their marriage may be next!
Enjoy the honeymoon with the Secular Military while it lasts...they do like it when the people they have oppressed love them, and support their excuses to massacre their enemies...although honeymoons don't last, and you, the bride, will at some point be as vulnerable as a single woman at a anti-morsi demo in tahrir square.
You have helped your beloved St. Fateh of Sisi and the felool, to have liberated the 'poor and suffering' Mubarak from the 'evil' clutches of a (now deposed) elected regime. He's out of jail in 48 hours! Alf Mabrook!
But before you disregard this post, claiming that the Muslim Brotherhood are a bunch of 'terrorists' (deja vu, where have I heard that argument before...hmm, Ghaddafi, Bashar, Hosni..Oh but THIS time it must be different right? Sure...
Just a quick reality check, considering Israel and the US hate Hamas, has the Egyptian (secular) military - who you claim rescued Egypt from 'foreign powers' helped, or hinder the enemies of Israel and the US? Is Hamas in a better place now?
If the US support democracy and elected government, why haven't they condemned the coup leaders? Have they cancelled their financial aid that they pay, that's right, to your husband, the Egyptian Military?
Is the US even calling for the release of Morsi?!
Did Morsi ever lock up anyone for insulting him?
Did Morsi ever order the Police to shoot anti-morsi protesters? (no one is even charging him or prosecuting him for it - they had to find an alleged charge all the way back in 2011!).
Did you ever wonder why under Morsi, you could insult him (which as you remember last year - virtually most media did) without punishment, but you couldn't insult the military or judiciary? (who are both secular).
You were told the Muslim Brotherhood were going to take Egypt back centuries, and create a state like Iran - but does SECULAR have its own SPACE PROGRAM like the 'Mullah ruled' Iran does? (oh that's right, it doesn't - and the US actually pressured Egypt to never have one, because Israel felt 'threatened').
Do you have any heavy industry that doesn't require you to buy spare parts from foreign countries - unlike the 'Mullah ruled' Iran?
You were told that Morsi was surrendering Egypt to foreign powers, yet you were also told he was making Egypt like Iran (and he was opening up links with Iran) - but has Iran surrendered itself to foreign powers?
Does Iran's army hold joint maneuvers with Israel to maintain the security of its border? Does the US pay the Iranian military any money? Can you say the same for your beloved Egypt?
If Islam is the religion of compassion and mercy, Egyptian Secularism has certainly separated it from politics...
BetaThings: Nothing! He can have his fun. No need to spoil it!
Thanks for the correction, You can be EQUALLY yoked, but not UNequally yoked. Meaning if they are attacking, and you are not, it is unequal and you should not be so yoked with them. So you need to match any attack with greater ferocity so that you can match the "unbeliever" and be "EQUALLY" yoked with them
Exactly. You further prove my point. Those are the things you say. But reality is different Otherwise why the blood history, rather than living peacefully! 20m+ dead in Taiping rebellion alone Your Wars of religion took 30 years! Your crusade had you smacking your lips as your horses waded in knee-high pool of blood You tagged along as your colonial soldiers massacred and subdued people all over the world and as soon as bloody "victory" after merciless "victor" was secured, you now stepped forward to deliver your message of "love, peace and salvation"; the message was never ever presented before the brutal conquests The "Sun Never set of the British Empire" - so also was the reach of your message
You are yet to discover what Christianity is all about. Jesus was killed, His disciples were killed not fighting any war. Anyone who fights for God is not a Christian. Christians are not supposed to slap how much more kill. But don't muslims have the command to kill? Is there not on records?
So those who brought Christianity to your land under the force of arms are in hell? Jesus Christ was approached by a soldier (Roman Centurion) for blessing.
Jesus blessed the soldier but DID not advise him to give up his weapons and leave the Army The same Jesus DID NOT forget to advise the rich to give up their wealth. He said "it is easier for the camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"
tbaba1234: Brilliant piece from Abdullah Al andalusi
Congratulations pro-Coup Egyptians! on your marriage to the Secular Military. I heard the UAE and Kuwait paid the Dowry, the two witnesses were King Abdullah of Jordan, and King Abdullah of Saud (who was reportedly crying tears of joy), Barack Obama was the qadi (judge), and Benyamin Netanyahu threw the confetti. The red carpet was dyed to the right colour, using in the recently shed blood of the enemies of Israel, the US and the secularists - namely, those they call 'Islamists'. And the thrown bouquet was picked up by the Secularists of Tunisia -tradition holds their marriage may be next!
Enjoy the honeymoon with the Secular Military while it lasts...they do like it when the people they have oppressed love them, and support their excuses to massacre their enemies...although honeymoons don't last, and you, the bride, will at some point be as vulnerable as a single woman at a anti-morsi demo in tahrir square.
this guy should shut-up.
it is so convenient to accuse the Egyptian military and even the majority of Egyptians who opposed morsi as being "pro-Israel" or subservient to foreign powers.
wasn't morsi the one who wrote to the president of Israel calling him "his dear friend"? didn't he reiterate his support for the peace treaty the secularist military ruler,anwar saadat, signed with Israel?
why try to demonize the military and the people by describing them as "Israeli puppet" for rejecting morsi,who in fact was the Israeli puppet? have you ever heard of any salafist/Wahhabi group attacking or fighting Israel,which is the eternal enemy of the arab masses? never!!! why? tell us.
You have helped your beloved St. Fateh of Sisi and the felool, to have liberated the 'poor and suffering' Mubarak from the 'evil' clutches of a (now deposed) elected regime. He's out of jail in 48 hours! Alf Mabrook!
why try to mock the man's name and abuse a Christian religious title in a mocking way? isn't it enough for salafists/Wahhabis to burn churches? is it a crime if the Egyptian people in their majority say they no longer want the brotherhood salafists/Wahhabis to rule? morsi was given a chance to find a solution by conducting early elections or peacefully resign with dignity.he refused.the brotherhood don't care about the people's choice.they deceived the people into electing morsi,and now that the people woke up from the slumber,they want to hijack democracy.i don't blame the Egyptians for electing morsi because his opponent in the run off was a Mubarak regime figure.the Egyptians wanted change from the Mubarak era,only to find themselves in deeper $hit.
But before you disregard this post, claiming that the Muslim Brotherhood are a bunch of 'terrorists' (deja vu, where have I heard that argument before...hmm, Ghaddafi, Bashar, Hosni..Oh but THIS time it must be different right? Sure...
oh please!
ghaddafi was right after all.the same terrorists that fought ghaddafi ended up fleeing to mali and killing the US ambassador in Benghazi.in mali the west had to intervene to uproot them from turning mali into an alqaeda base.ironically,the same west fighting for its interests under the slogan of "no permanent friends,but permanent interests" are sending terrorists to fight in Syria.who would deny the foreign salafist fighters in Syria? what is the Nusra front?
Just a quick reality check, considering Israel and the US hate Hamas, has the Egyptian (secular) military - who you claim rescued Egypt from 'foreign powers' helped, or hinder the enemies of Israel and the US? Is Hamas in a better place now?
hamas chose to be with the terrorists,and follow the guide of qaradawi,the NATO sheikh.hamas betrayed Hezbollah by training takfiri salafist fighters in Syria to kill the shia.while it was Hezbollah,iran and Syria that trained hamas,funded it and armed it to resist Israel's occupation of Palestine.hamas is ungrateful,or rather led by greedy men who are sell-outs for Qatar's petro-dollars which support NATO schemes in the middle east like the war in Libya.hamas wanted to use the brotherhood in Egypt to make it a base.you cant gain Egyptian support by allying yourself against those who the Egyptian people reject.it is not like the brotherhood was anti-Israel.it wasn't.they are too coward to stand with truth and justice.they trade in fear and terrorizing civilians and spreading destruction.
If the US support democracy and elected government, why haven't they condemned the coup leaders? Have they cancelled their financial aid that they pay, that's right, to your husband, the Egyptian Military?
Is the US even calling for the release of Morsi?!
Did Morsi ever lock up anyone for insulting him?
easy man.no need to rush.the USA today cut all aid for Egypt in solidarity with the salafist brotherhood.
Did Morsi ever order the Police to shoot anti-morsi protesters? (no one is even charging him or prosecuting him for it - they had to find an alleged charge all the way back in 2011!).
the brotherhood only passed a fatwa that anyone who protest against morsi was a kaffir whose blood is permissible to be shed.that was one of the reasons that prompted the army to step in to avert bloodshed the brotherhood was ready for.
Did you ever wonder why under Morsi, you could insult him (which as you remember last year - virtually most media did) without punishment, but you couldn't insult the military or judiciary? (who are both secular).
another lie.
what happened to basseem yousuf?
You were told the Muslim Brotherhood were going to take Egypt back centuries, and create a state like Iran - but does SECULAR
have its own SPACE PROGRAM like the 'Mullah ruled' Iran does? (oh that's right, it doesn't - and the US actually pressured Egypt to never have one, because Israel felt 'threatened').
Do you have any heavy industry that doesn't require you to buy spare parts from foreign countries - unlike the 'Mullah ruled' Iran?
lol
this guy must be high on hemp.as in can the brotherhood reatrds ever have the ability to create a state like Iran with space and nuclear programs and an indigenous arms industry in spite of sanctions? simply because the Iranians could do it under a SHIA Islamic system doesn't mean the brotherhood can do it with a salafist/Wahhabi ideology. the best they can create is a state like the one the Taliban did in Afghanistan.can the salafist brotherhood develop Egypt like the Iranian Islamic regime did? the Shia ayatollahs were able to accommodate and assimilate Iranian intellectuals from all fields,and the regime had the support of the people who voted for an Islamic regime.the brotherhood is a party and not a regime accepted by the majority of Egyptians.there was no Islamic system in Egypt the Egyptians voted for.there is no equivalent of wilayat al-faqih for sunnis as the shia have.so you cannot say because it has worked in iran for this long and survived in spite of foreign opposition and Iranian animosity to Israel,that the Egyptians can do it under the salafists.the first thing that the Iranians under Ayatollah Khomeini did was to shut the Israeli embassy and open a Palestinian embassy in Tehran.morsi on the other hand first sent a letter to shimon peres to show his blessing to the camp david treaty which actually put humiliating conditions on the Egyptian nation.
You were told that Morsi was surrendering Egypt to foreign powers, yet you were also told he was making Egypt like Iran (and he was opening up links with Iran) - but has Iran surrendered itself to foreign powers?
Does Iran's army hold joint maneuvers with Israel to maintain the security of its border? Does the US pay the Iranian military any money? Can you say the same for your beloved Egypt?
morsi had a chance to make Egypt like iran but he failed.he could have done it well.but what we saw was not a drive to build an Islamic state but to spread extremism.
even the tourism agreement he did with iran and cancellation of visas between the two countries,they were abolished after salafist clerics protested that the influx of Iranian tourists into Egypt could further spread Shia Islam in majority Sunni Egypt.i wonder why the Iranians had no concern about the spread of Sunni Islam in majority Shia iran out of the agreements.
If Islam is the religion of compassion and mercy, Egyptian Secularism has certainly separated it from politics...
The Egyptians and Tunisians have serious issues. They have serious identity crisis Tunisian banned polygamy in 1957 I watched a Qur'an recitation competition - people came from all over the world - Maldives, Russia?, Nigeria, Benin, Libya, Egypt etc EVERY one came in their national dress (Nigerians, Libyan, Russian etc) except the Egyptian. He was the only who appeared in suit. That has virtually become their national dress. They try really hard to appear westernised. Yet thw west will continue to see them as barbaric
So those who brought Christianity to your land under the force of arms are in hell? Jesus Christ was approached by a soldier (Roman Centurion) for blessing.
Jesus blessed the soldier but DID not advise him to give up his weapons and leave the Army The same Jesus DID NOT forget to advise the rich to give up their wealth. He said "it is easier for the camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"
So that is telling. No need for twist and turns
The soldier did not come for salvation, he came for blessing. This does not necessarily mean he requested for prowess to fight. Blessings are of various kinds. Jesus could not have told him to leave the Army. Army was not instituted for religious wars. Every nation has Army to defend them against external attack, economic or political. Would Jesus advise Israel to dismantle its Army when the Arabs could easily come to attack them? It is like telling somebody not to lock his doors when thieves are around.
The rich man came for salvation. What his case required was told him by the true Prophet, Jesus the Son of God.
The Egyptians and Tunisians have serious issues. They have serious identity crisis Tunisian banned polygamy in 1957 I watched a Qur'an recitation competition - people came from all over the world - Maldives, Russia?, Nigeria, Benin, Libya, Egypt etc EVERY one came in their national dress (Nigerians, Libyan, Russian etc) except the Egyptian. He was the only who appeared in suit. That has virtually become their national dress. They try really hard to appear westernised. Yet thw west will continue to see them as barbaric
The bold underscores the tragedy of their condition, no matter how hard they try, being West is simply a matter of who you descended from!
it is so convenient to accuse the Egyptian military and even the majority of Egyptians who opposed morsi as being "pro-Israel" or subservient to foreign powers.
wasn't morsi the one who wrote to the president of Israel calling him "his dear friend"? didn't he reiterate his support for the peace treaty the secularist military ruler,anwar saadat, signed with Israel?
why try to demonize the military and the people by describing them as "Israeli puppet" for rejecting morsi,who in fact was the Israeli puppet? have you ever heard of any salafist/Wahhabi group attacking or fighting Israel,which is the eternal enemy of the arab masses? never!!! why? tell us.
We never heard of Iran attacking Israel! Never!!! Tell us why!
LagosShia: why try to mock the man's name and abuse a Christian religious title in a mocking way? isn't it enough for salafists/Wahhabis to burn churches? is it a crime if the Egyptian people in their majority say they no longer want the brotherhood salafists/Wahhabis to rule? morsi was given a chance to find a solution by conducting early elections or peacefully resign with dignity.he refused.the brotherhood don't care about the people's choice.they deceived the people into electing morsi,and now that the people woke up from the slumber,they want to hijack democracy.i don't blame the Egyptians for electing morsi because his opponent in the run off was a Mubarak regime figure.the Egyptians wanted change from the Mubarak era,only to find themselves in deeper $hit.
ghaddafi was right after all.the same terrorists that fought ghaddafi ended up fleeing to mali and killing the US ambassador in Benghazi.in mali the west had to intervene to uproot them from turning mali into an alqaeda base.ironically,the same west fighting for its interests under the slogan of "no permanent friends,but permanent interests" are sending terrorists to fight in Syria.who would deny the foreign salafist fighters in Syria? what is the Nusra front?
LagosShia: hamas chose to be with the terrorists,and follow the guide of qaradawi,the NATO sheikh.hamas betrayed Hezbollah by training takfiri salafist fighters in Syria to kill the shia.while it was Hezbollah,iran and Syria that trained hamas,funded it and armed it to resist Israel's occupation of Palestine.hamas is ungrateful,or rather led by greedy men who are sell-outs for Qatar's petro-dollars which support NATO schemes in the middle east like the war in Libya.hamas wanted to use the brotherhood in Egypt to make it a base.you cant gain Egyptian support by allying yourself against those who the Egyptian people reject.it is not like the brotherhood was anti-Israel.it wasn't.they are too coward to stand with truth and justice.they trade in fear and terrorizing civilians and spreading destruction.
poor you, sectarian cry baby, boohooo, my lovely dictator in Syria boot must be licked by all, the cowards that have never shot a bullet is Iran, the big coward that support syria dictator's right to kill civilians, off-course fighting Isreal has little or nothing to do with people fighting for their rights in places like Syria and Egypt, but wait in you puny brain Hamas is Isreal lover, you must be high on some shiat!
LagosShia: easy man.no need to rush.the USA today cut all aid for Egypt in solidarity with the salafist brotherhood.
the question did morsi ever locked up any for insulting him? no, did he kill any for disagreeing with him? no!!! But guess the despot in Iran, called Khamanei would lock you up for critizing his behavior, disagreeing with how the ocuntry is to be run etc!
LagosShia: the brotherhood only passed a fatwa that anyone who protest against morsi was a kaffir whose blood is permissible to be shed.that was one of the reasons that prompted the army to step in to avert bloodshed the brotherhood was ready for.
Addressing the Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mehdi Saharkhiz said: “I would like to tell Mr. Khamenei personally that he should learn from Hosni Mubarak. One day, something exactly like this will happen for the Iranian government, maybe in one, two, or a few years; but Iranian government officials will also see the results of their actions like Saddam, Gaddafi, and Hosni Mubarak. I want to tell him that he should be afraid of the ending he will see in this world, and know that he will not be in power forever.”
LagosShia: another lie.
what happened to basseem yousuf?
Bring proof man, and even the Tehran dictator, khaminei would cut of you neck for disagreeing with him
LagosShia: lol
this guy must be high on hemp.as in can the brotherhood reatrds ever have the ability to create a state like Iran with space and nuclear programs and an indigenous arms industry in spite of sanctions? simply because the Iranians could do it under a SHIA Islamic system doesn't mean the brotherhood can do it with a salafist/Wahhabi ideology. the best they can create is a state like the one the Taliban did in Afghanistan.can the salafist brotherhood develop Egypt like the Iranian Islamic regime did? the Shia ayatollahs were able to accommodate and assimilate Iranian intellectuals from all fields,and the regime had the support of the people who voted for an Islamic regime.the brotherhood is a party and not a regime accepted by the majority of Egyptians.there was no Islamic system in Egypt the Egyptians voted for.there is no equivalent of wilayat al-faqih for sunnis as the shia have.so you cannot say because it has worked in iran for this long and survived in spite of foreign opposition and Iranian animosity to Israel,that the Egyptians can do it under the salafists.the first thing that the Iranians under Ayatollah Khomeini did was to shut the Israeli embassy and open a Palestinian embassy in Tehran.morsi on the other hand first sent a letter to shimon peres to show his blessing to the camp david treaty which actually put humiliating conditions on the Egyptian nation.
Iran is in a shameful state, it kiss the butt of China and russia to survive so that big bad wolf west would kick them in the head, repeatedly they shut their dirty mouths when muslims are oppressed in China and Russia, just like China they restrict muslims their right to worship free http://sonsofsunnah.com/2013/08/09/eid-al-fitr-2013-tehrans-sunnis-were-banned-again/, which you also do here on NL whenever the real guardians of Iran are being criticise for such behavior, you shut your mouth, Mr. Khmonmi murdered those who disagreed with him and even locked up clerics who were against his lie lie wilayt al Faqih
“The Israel partnership with Egypt in the past year or so “was not with Morsi but with [Abdel-Fattah] el-Sissi” — the military chief who oversaw the president’s ouster, the TV report noted, so relations “may even improve.”
But wait you seem to love kissing dictator boots, please do carry on! Cowardly Iran animousity to isreal is nothing more than shouting and siddon look!
LagosShia: morsi had a chance to make Egypt like iran but he failed.he could have done it well.but what we saw was not a drive to build an Islamic state but to spread extremism.
even the tourism agreement he did with iran and cancellation of visas between the two countries,they were abolished after salafist clerics protested that the influx of Iranian tourists into Egypt could further spread Shia Islam in majority Sunni Egypt.i wonder why the Iranians had no concern about the spread of Sunni Islam in majority Shia iran out of the agreements.
Lies damn lies look at Mr. khaminei representative crying about how sunnis are about swamp Iran and recommends how their population can be curbbed!
LagosShia: you cannot just blame the military in Egypt for all the woes,while the brotherhood wasn't ready to change what was in place during Mubarak's time.
With all your lies, yes YOU cannot blame the military for all Egypt woes!
Actually to be fair to the police chief, the Shias have always believed that anyone who calls himself a muslim but supports the delay of the Khilafa of Ali (RA) is a disbeliever and should be killed. So he should not be blamed for saying what is a doctrine of the Shia
Now why are they are not killing sunnis now. Because there are in a period of truce and taqqiya I am not analysing. I am repeating what the Shias say in their books At the end of this period, then will come the period of Rajah (the first return) when their "imams will return to fight and punish those who were unjust to them " That is one reasons why the SHIA and SUNNIS can never unite. EVERY shia believes that the Sunnis will reside in hellfire forever for not believing in the imamate EVERY shia also believes in the Rajah I can hazard a guess that since the Shias are in the majority in Iran, the police chief sees no need for truce and taqiyya
Whoever does not believe in something required for eeman (true belief), although not essential for Islam (i.e. to be a mere Muslim) such as Imamah, so it is well known that they are considered kuffar (disbelievers) in the akhirah and would reside in hellfire like the non Shias and all the sub sects of Shiaism other than the Imamis (i.e. Twelver Shias).
This has been proven by extensive ahadith which we have recorded in our voluminous book….And as for the religious rulings to be applied to them in dunya (i.e. in this world, not the hereafter), such as in issues of taharah (ritual purity), nikah (marriage) and inheritance, so it is popular that they would be treated as Muslims in all those issues,
while Sharif al Murtada and a group of scholars adopted the view that they should be treated as kuffar in dunya also. And it does appear from some of the ahadith that they should truly be treated as kuffar in all Islamic affairs, but however, since Allah (swt) knew that the non Shias would rule and prevail over the Shias and therefore the Shias would have no choice but to socialize with them, thus He (swt) made a concession for the Shias on this and established the application of Islamic laws upon non Shias during the period of truce and taqiyya. But when Imam Mahdi (as) appears, there would be no difference between the non Shias and the kuffar. This way it is possible to reconcile between the ahadith (i.e. to reconcile those ahadith which declare non shias to be Muslims and those which declare them kuffar)
(Miratul Uqul by Majlisi, Volume 11, Page 190).
Muhaqqiq abu al Hasan al Sharif ibn al Shaikh Muhammad Tahir, , in his commentary upon “Al Kifayah” wrote: “I wonder, is there any difference between disbelieving in Allah and His messenger, and in disbelieving in the Imamate of the Imams even though they are all from the fundamentals of the religion?” He further continued: “And perhaps they are under the impression that the non shia is a Muslim in reality, but it is an invalid delusion which goes against the mutawatir ahadith, and the truth is what has been stated by Sharif al Muratada that they are kuffar who would reside in hell forever.
"Whoever sets up another Imam besides 'Ali and delays 'Ali's caliphate is a polytheist." "Doubt about the Imamate of 'Ali is like doubt about the mission of Muhammad SAWS and one who doubts both should be killed if possible, if he claims to be a Muslim. On the other hand, disbelievers are like the Jews and Christians and should not be killed for these reasons."
cleanvessel: Why are all muslims nations of the world in crisis and turmoil on continuous basis?
Isaiah 57:21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.
This trend will continue till the Day of Judgment unless they repent.
Tell us the history of the past 250 years History is never written in a generation
BTW these victims of your aggression had no peace. Were they the wicked parties?
BetaThings: Otherwise why the blood history, rather than living peacefully! 20m+ dead in Taiping rebellion alone Your Wars of religion took 30 years! Your crusade had you smacking your lips as your horses waded in knee-high pool of blood You tagged along as your colonial soldiers massacred and subdued people all over the world and as soon as bloody "victory" after merciless "victor" was secured, you now stepped forward to deliver your message of "love, peace and salvation"; the message was never ever presented before the brutal conquests The "Sun Never set of the British Empire" - so also was the reach of your message You lied that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Your soldiers wrought destruction and your priests moved in
Who is the wicked? God, not you, will judge The fabrications will not help on the day of resurrection!
And from the wickedness of Muslims is that they allow Christians live peacefully in Qatar, Oman, UAE, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia etc I wonder how many Muslims from those countries live peacefully in christian-dominated parts of Nigeria
BetaThings: Actually to be fair to the police chief, the Shias have always believed that anyone who calls himself a muslim but supports the delay of the Khilafa of Ali (RA) is a disbeliever and should be killed. So he should not be blamed for saying what is a doctrine of the Shia
Now why are they are not killing sunnis now. Because there are in a period of truce and taqqiya I am not analysing. I am repeating what the Shias say in their books At the end of this period, then will come the period of Rajah (the first return) when their "imams will return to fight and punish those who were unjust to them " That is one reasons why the SHIA and SUNNIS can never unite. EVERY shia believes that the Sunnis will reside in hellfire forever for not believing in the imamate EVERY shia also believes in the Rajah I can hazard a guess that since the Shias are in the majority in Iran, the police chief sees no need for truce and taqiyya
(Miratul Uqul by Majlisi, Volume 11, Page 190).
al-Kafi
And of every thing I hate, an individual complaining about another man's garbage when he is twice as guilty!
misguidance will always dwell in the hearts of the followers of Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul-Wahab.
why not quote where our books say "kill sunnis" or this or that,and tell us the exact places instead of summarizing or using your words and then attaching a reference to it? dishonesty!
I can say sunnis believe God is a "7 horned monster" (astaghfirullah) and then put a reference like "Sahih Bukhari Volume 2,tradition number 3".does that make my claim genuine or true when I have not quoted the exact wordings VERBATIM from the purported reference? how can someone who claims to be muslim do such tricks and feel comfortable reciting the shahada? is this hypocrisy or ignorance? both are disgusting in this case!!!
the fact remains that we are Shia who do not kill innocent Sunnis, and we view them as our brothers,and our scholars keep promoting tolerance and cooperation,and our scholars forbid the shedding of all innocent blood,be they sunnis, christians or atheists;while the other side keeps doing the killing and at the same time do the finger pointing and nagging.shameless w****!!!
our only book of authority as Shia Muslims that supercedes any written record is the Holy Quran.we do not use the Holy Quran to justify any killing of civilians and non-combatants and non-believers,as a particular ideology (salafism/Wahhabis) from the sunni side have done and have tarnished the image of islam and muslims and the message of the Quran.on the contrary,we Shia use the Quran to disapprove and disprove those acts of inhumanity.if any such hadith or record from a scholar is found in any of our historical or hadith books,we totally reject it,because it contradicts our Shia Islamic interpretation and understanding of the Holy Quran which goes against killing innocent people and non-combatants even if they be non-muslims.and those interpretations of tolerance and peace are based on our knowledge from the Ahlul-Bayt (as),and not based on the teachings of Banu Umayyah and their employed sheikhs like ibn taymiyyah.
let your the salafists/Wahhabis keep on the killing of innocent Shia and Christians,while you keep nagging and pointing finger that you are "also victims"-in your imaginations of course-in the name of protecting the image of all of you being "sunnis";while in reality you are far off from the sunnah.
Do sunnis have something like "sunni genocide in Azerbaijan,lebanon,bahrain,iraq or iran"? but we have evidence like this (in a sunni majority Pakistan,which of course got its independence thanks to a Muslim statesman who was Shia,Muhammad Ali Jinnah-the founding father of pakistan) :
do sunnis have instances where "Shia suicide bombers" blow themselves up in the midst of sunni worshippers,in sunni mosques or sunni populated areas with harmless and defenceless innocent civilians? well we have this,and the instances cited happen almost every day around the world thanks to wahhabism/salafism that some people are beating around the bush to hide very hard:
Whoever does not believe in something required for eeman (true belief), although not essential for Islam (i.e. to be a mere Muslim) such as Imamah, so it is well known that they are considered kuffar (disbelievers) in the akhirah and would reside in hellfire like the non Shias and all the sub sects of Shiaism other than the Imamis (i.e. Twelver Shias).
This has been proven by extensive ahadith which we have recorded in our voluminous book….And as for the religious rulings to be applied to them in dunya (i.e. in this world, not the hereafter), such as in issues of taharah (ritual purity), nikah (marriage) and inheritance, so it is popular that they would be treated as Muslims in all those issues,
while Sharif al Murtada and a group of scholars adopted the view that they should be treated as kuffar in dunya also. And it does appear from some of the ahadith that they should truly be treated as kuffar in all Islamic affairs, but however, since Allah (swt) knew that the non Shias would rule and prevail over the Shias and therefore the Shias would have no choice but to socialize with them, thus He (swt) made a concession for the Shias on this and established the application of Islamic laws upon non Shias during the period of truce and taqiyya. But when Imam Mahdi (as) appears, there would be no difference between the non Shias and the kuffar. This way it is possible to reconcile between the ahadith (i.e. to reconcile those ahadith which declare non shias to be Muslims and those which declare them kuffar)
(Miratul Uqul by Majlisi, Volume 11, Page 190).
Muhaqqiq abu al Hasan al Sharif ibn al Shaikh Muhammad Tahir, , in his commentary upon “Al Kifayah” wrote: “I wonder, is there any difference between disbelieving in Allah and His messenger, and in disbelieving in the Imamate of the Imams even though they are all from the fundamentals of the religion?” He further continued: “And perhaps they are under the impression that the non shia is a Muslim in reality, but it is an invalid delusion which goes against the mutawatir ahadith, and the truth is what has been stated by Sharif al Muratada that they are kuffar who would reside in hell forever.
"Whoever sets up another Imam besides 'Ali and delays 'Ali's caliphate is a polytheist." "Doubt about the Imamate of 'Ali is like doubt about the mission of Muhammad SAWS and one who doubts both should be killed if possible, if he claims to be a Muslim. On the other hand, disbelievers are like the Jews and Christians and should not be killed for these reasons."
al-Kafi
After all the noise no coherent respond to the above, what an absolute pity!!
After all the noise no coherent respond to the above, what an absolute pity!!
you are still bent on missing the point,arent you?
whether Shia regard sunnis as muslims or not,killing of civilians/non-combatants in islam is forbidden even if they be non-muslims.fighting is only against the aggressors and those who have gone on the offensive against muslims.this is the shia stance and that is why you don't see "shia militants" or "shia suicide bombers" bombing sunni civilians and their mosques,as the salafists do to shia civilians and places of worship.whether Imam Mahdi (aj) would return to fight or to share candy,he is going to follow the same approach and sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (sa).he will only raise his sword against the aggressors who have attacked muslims.anything other than this is forbidden.agression and using force for other than defensive purpose is not permissible in islam.with all the bombings in Iraq and Pakistan targeting shia civilians,the shia have not resorted to random killing of sunnis and collective punishment for retaliation.that is because collective punishment and killing the innocent soul is forbidden in islam.if the Shia are even to lose their Islamic principles and retaliate in places like Pakistan and Iraq,no one would really blame them even if their acts would be condemned in principle of prohibiting killing of civilians.
it is so silly that someone is bent on forcing the shia to admit that shia regard sunnis as non-muslims,even though the shia deny.yet this person does not find it unpalatable to declare shia as "mushrikeen" (worse than being kuffar),and does not condemn salafists/Wahhabis for killing shia and Christians because they are "kuffar" even if they are innocent civilians and non-combatants.why does it shock you if you are considered "unbelievers",when those criminals and terrorists you are beating around the bush to conceal their criminality clearly and plainly accuse other muslims (i.e. the shia) of being "kuffar",and use that as justification to attack and bomb shia civilians? what sort of nonsense is this? you can propagate such nonsense online that even you don't believe within yourself,but in real life if you make such views in public you'd be driven away like a mad man.
criticize the monarchs and their policies for the wrong decisions they make and the un-Islamic actions they follow-not for opposing an intolerant and extremist led salafist muslim brotherhood government.just within a year,over 30 million Egyptians went on the streets demanding morsi step down.he refused even after he was warned by the military to do what would avert a civil war in Egypt.the military did what pleased the majority of Egyptians by arresting morsi.brotherhood members should go to rest and play clean.the least expected of the brotherhood if they are in support of democracy as they claim,and not hijackers of democracy as they truly appear,is to shun violence,and call for early elections.early elections can settle all the problems Egypt is going through.i heard sisi's speech today when he swore to protect the right of egyptians to choose their leaders and how they want to live their lives as they please.you don't kill people (Shia and Christians) and destroy their places of worship because you are elected into political office,and you intimidate others (sunnis) for wanting to live their lives contrary to what you want.you don't impose your views on others because you have power.the brotherhood in Egypt should get that clear.the brotherhood is not a regime/governing system in Egypt,but a single political party like any other that can be voted in/out of power.that (imposing on others in a dictatorial manner) is not the spirit of democracy and the respect for human rights and the rule of law.
it is very ironic though that the Saudi king is calling the salafists in Egypt "terrorists" but supporting them in Syria to overthrow assad and spill the blood of innocent people.perhaps,there are no Shia Muslims and alawites in Egypt playing a major role in Egyptian politics.after all Abdul Fattah al-sisi is sunni,and the Saudi king is scared that challenge by salafists/Wahhabis to the military in a majority sunni country like Egypt can set a bad example for his own Wahhabi subjects back in Saudi Arabia.
finally it is really nice to know you were angry,after you've promoted salafism/wahhabism in this forum,and you denied being a salafist out of sheer ideological reason rather than truth.i'd advice you not to be angry because there is no way and no how salafism/Wahhabis would thrive in the muslim ummah even with all the Saudi petro-dollars fuelling Wahhabi/salafist takfirism and terrorism in the muslim countries.it is so ironic and ignorant that the OP mentioned that the founder of the Saudi monarchy/kingdom (the father of the current king Abdullah) destroyed the othoman sunni caliphate with the aid of the british imperialists.he forgot to mention or does not know that Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab (a successor to Ibn Taymiyyah) who is the founder of Wahhabism/Salafist teachings was the mufti that legitimized the rule of the saud clan/monarchy in Arabia.ibn Abdul-wahab labeled all those who opposed the house of saud as "mushrikeen" (idolaters/polytheists).the fact remains that wahhabism/salafism is a tool that keeps dividing muslims (via takfirism),and is only meant as an instrument in the hands of the west to shape the political landscape in muslim countries.the Saudi king is opposing the brotherhood in Egypt because supporting them would place him at odds with the Egyptian army which is not something good for the Saudi army and the Saudi people as an example to follow.the king is indirectly sending a warning signal to those who might try to oppose his own rule in the kingdom,and a note of encouragement to his army to be loyal to him and not to salafist/Wahhabi forces-he has labeled as "terrorists"-within the kingdom that may oppose him in one way or the other.its all politics,and its dirty.
Nice post. It doesn't matter what motivated you to type this, it is true for most part.
Whoever does not believe in something required for eeman (true belief), although not essential for Islam (i.e. to be a mere Muslim) such as Imamah, so it is well known that they are considered kuffar (disbelievers) in the akhirah and would reside in hellfire like the non Shias and all the sub sects of Shiaism other than the Imamis (i.e. Twelver Shias).
This has been proven by extensive ahadith which we have recorded in our voluminous book….And as for the religious rulings to be applied to them in dunya (i.e. in this world, not the hereafter), such as in issues of taharah (ritual purity), nikah (marriage) and inheritance, so it is popular that they would be treated as Muslims in all those issues,
while Sharif al Murtada and a group of scholars adopted the view that they should be treated as kuffar in dunya also. And it does appear from some of the ahadith that they should truly be treated as kuffar in all Islamic affairs, but however, since Allah (swt) knew that the non Shias would rule and prevail over the Shias and therefore the Shias would have no choice but to socialize with them, thus He (swt) made a concession for the Shias on this and established the application of Islamic laws upon non Shias during the period of truce and taqiyya. But when Imam Mahdi (as) appears, there would be no difference between the non Shias and the kuffar. This way it is possible to reconcile between the ahadith (i.e. to reconcile those ahadith which declare non shias to be Muslims and those which declare them kuffar)
(Miratul Uqul by Majlisi, Volume 11, Page 190).
Muhaqqiq abu al Hasan al Sharif ibn al Shaikh Muhammad Tahir, , in his commentary upon “Al Kifayah” wrote: “I wonder, is there any difference between disbelieving in Allah and His messenger, and in disbelieving in the Imamate of the Imams even though they are all from the fundamentals of the religion?” He further continued: “And perhaps they are under the impression that the non shia is a Muslim in reality, but it is an invalid delusion which goes against the mutawatir ahadith, and the truth is what has been stated by Sharif al Muratada that they are kuffar who would reside in hell forever.
"Whoever sets up another Imam besides 'Ali and delays 'Ali's caliphate is a polytheist." "Doubt about the Imamate of 'Ali is like doubt about the mission of Muhammad SAWS and one who doubts both should be killed if possible, if he claims to be a Muslim. On the other hand, disbelievers are like the Jews and Christians and should not be killed for these reasons."
al-Kafi
After the bipolar individual huffing and puffing, the above remains undeniably true, true to the extent that hezbo boys are praticing in Syria, true to the extent iran police chief restates, true to the extent that shia criminals gangs in Iraq repeatedly practice, true to the extent that in hezbo boys recently practiced in lebanon, true to the extent that Iran have repeatedly executed sunni scholars in Iran, true to the extent that criminal gangs in pakistan do the same, yes bipolar individual with multiple I'd syndrome keep playing ostrich unless offcourse, u simply prefer watching press tv and deprive yourself of varied sources of news that would be quite shameful indeed!
vedaxcool: After the bipolar individual huffing and puffing, the above remains undeniably true, true to the extent that hezbo boys are praticing in Syria, true to the extent iran police chief restates, true to the extent that shia criminals gangs in Iraq repeatedly practice, true to the extent that in hezbo boys recently practiced in lebanon, true to the extent that Iran have repeatedly executed sunni scholars in Iran, true to the extent that criminal gangs in pakistan do the same, yes bipolar individual with multiple I'd syndrome keep playing ostrich unless offcourse, u simply prefer watching press tv and deprive yourself of varied sources of news that would be quite shameful indeed!
Iraq-Shia fight against alqaeda "sunni" terrorists.
Iran-fight against foreign interference,and anti-regime "traitors".due legal process is applied.also fight against Sunni separatists/terrorists in Balouchistan,who are sponsored by foreign intelligence bodies.again due process is applied.
Lebanon-fight against western agents of the March 14 alliance,dominated by the Future Movement (a "secular" party led by Sunni politicians),who want Hezbollah to disarm and give up its weapons,which has driven the Israelis out of Lebanon and liberated Lebanese land that was occupied by Israel.
Syria-fight against Sunni terrorists,including alqaeda ones (referred to as al-Nusra front in Syria),who are sent in by NATO countries and their middle eastern puppet regimes like Saudi Arabia,turkey,qatar,and Jordan.
stop beating around the bush.give one instance where a Shia went into a Sunni mosque or a Christian church to do suicide bombing and kill innocent civilians,simply because those innocent civilians share different beliefs (from the Shia beliefs).you will not find one instance in the entire world.even when the Shia are pushed to the wall to retaliate in like manner after the Sunni salafist/Wahhabi terrorists use suicide bombing against Shia mosques/neighborhoods filled with innocent civilians,the Shia exercise restraint (thanks to their wise scholars) and come out high in their Islamic conduct,morality and humanity.but of course someone who has chosen ignorance as his path and blindness as his drive will not be able to differentiate.your case is hopeless.you cannot be helped until you start to help yourself by first attempting to think.
