KaimaTee: Am glad that there are men of God that still preaches the truth, I am so disappointed by my pastor last Sunday following the way he talked about this issue, he was so flippant about it, that it is not for people to judge, that if he is to be in the man shoe, he will just tell the congregation that yes, he is an adulterer, he has prayed a nd God has forgiven him, so if you don't want to come to the church, not come.
Either my pastor fail to read that this man didn't just fall into sin, he is a serial adulterer and was never born again or he chose to ignore it, he didn't even care about the faith of many that were being destroyed, how can we can our bible to go minister to the so called unbeliever? What are they suppose to believer .Infact I am thinking about my stay in that church, couldn't believe my pastor can defend this man so blatantly

coogar:

i also have a friend in gombe that claims he was a classmate of a certain philips70 who was a serial räpist in a federal university. he swore with a bible when he told me this.

i guess that makes you a räpist, isn't it?

coogar:

pastor J = ese walters
franca E = ese walters

they can smell blood now, the mission is to ruin pastor biodun's church and steal his congregation.

coogar:

i also have a friend in gombe that claims he was a classmate of a certain philips70 who was a serial räpist in a federal university. he swore with a bible when he told me this.

i guess that makes you a räpist, isn't it?

Lilboots:
By reading your posts in reply to me and others, it has become clear that there is no point having an argument with you as you are so rooted to your ideology. For what purpose, I do not know. However, the fact is that the above would not cease to be discussed as Pastor Biodun (by his act) is representative of what is going wrong in the way we Christians worship in Nigeria. A lot of people's frustrations are borne by the fact that not only was what Pastor Biodun did wrong, they have seen or witnessed similar patterns in their locality.

No be by force to be Pastor na. But if you must be, then live the way Christ has asked his leaders to live. When they are paid by the church (plus other entitlements), boys (pastors) are smiling, when they are asked to be held accountable, boys no go smile (asking who are u to judge me na). It is us, the tax payers or the tithe payers in this case).

His church is a 21st century organisation and internet privy as they own a website. Every organisation worth its salt would have brought a rejoinder by now should the said accusation be false. It is not just a smear to the pastor but to the entire organisation. Just a paragraph would have been enough.

However in the face of growing past evidence of the behaviour of the man,the debate cannot keep still waiting for Pastor Biodun to issue a rejoinder. Nigerian Christains are tired of being mucked about by this puppets in the alter spewing whatever they can for their own selfish gains. Pastoral duties now is becoming a means to an end which is really sad. The whole saga is becoming symptomatic of what is wrong about the Church system in Nigeria.

coogar:

i also have a friend in gombe that claims he was a classmate of a certain philips70 who was a serial räpist in a federal university. he swore with a bible when he told me this.

i guess that makes you a räpist, isn't it?

Enigma:

Not only are they shipwrecking people's faith, they are turning others to atheists by the bucketload and strengthening the skepticism of those who are already skeptics.

Thankfully, the Bible foretold of all these so we are not surprised or shocked.

pendusky: All this things are trash!!! If you want to make a name is not publicizing your past sins!!! I dont give a damn!!

coogar:

all i am asking you to do is look before you leap...... be sure of what you are saying before criticising them. supposing ese comes out tomorrow & says she was lying all along and she was paid by someone to write rubbish - would you not look like a bumbling oaf?

coogar:

and so pastor biodun should be made scapegoat for something he may or may not be guilty of? this is absolute ingenuity. since i know räpe cases are common in lagos, anyone accused of being a räpist should face instant judgement - there's no point investigating or looking at the evidence. let's just hang the accused & get over it.



hahahahaha
this guy is pained o - so all along, it's the perks the pastors get that is pinching you? come off it, mate! no one is saying pastors should have some immunity - but you need to be sure the allegations are 100% cast iron before casting aspersions at pastors.




rejoinders would be brought out when ese proves she's not trolling. why should she be taken serious?




all i am asking you to do is look before you leap...... be sure of what you are saying before criticising them. supposing ese comes out tomorrow & says she was lying all along and she was paid by someone to write rubbish - would you not look like a bumbling oaf?

coogar:

i would have respected ese 1 billion times if she had backed her statement with a compelling evidence. whether she lured the pastor or trapped him, the fact of the matter would have been so glaring that pastor biodun committed an immoral act. we wouldn't even be here to discuss this & pastor biodun himself would have had to come out of his shell and explain why he was caught under the sheets committing adultery with a church member.

monica lewinsky did not just claim she fëllated on bill clinton, she preserved a sëmen-stained blue dress of here as evidence that something went down between herself & the US president. did anyone accuse her of a pre-meditated plot? did clinton not come out of his shell to make a statement and tender apologies for his lack of self-control? if ese has any evidence, she should provide it & stop this demonic charade - her intransigence to withhold compelling evidence is a distraction in the church.

adesbreath: I can't believe I use to admire and respect your opinions before, you just argued like a child!!!

Akainzo:
What if during that BJ, no sperm fell on the dress; or what if Monica had sent that dress to the drycleaners, would it have meant the event never happened?

Lilboots:
Thank you for bringing up the raape case example. Should someone who, prior to the accusation, is capable of speech, can communicate orally and in writing suddenly keep mute without being under duress, what would you think? Should common sense and logic not lead you to believe that the said accused would easily say 'I am innocent of the crime you accuse me of' ? 'When any person is accused of a crime, or charged with any fact, and he does not deny it, in general, the presumption is very strong that the charge is correct.'http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s156.htm

Cast your mind to when you were a kid and let us say your brother had accused you of taking his N5.00 and reported you to your parents. What would you think your parents would say to you first? Would it be 'Coogar, did you take X's N5.00' or would it be 'Coogar, can you show me your pockets or your bag?' Definitely, the first question is what is asked 99% of the time. This is what is asked and the silence, from an otherwise vocal Pastor, is what is baffling even to his most ardent supporters.

Calling me a bubbling oaf is erring on the side of personal attack. I do not want to condescend to name-calling as this rather childish. Your argument should rather be focused on your opinions which many here have found seriously flawed and partisan.

coogar:

fact is - i don't even know you exist!



then she would have to look for another evidence. if something is true, some dots would connect. text messages, call logs, etc can be extracted as evidence.



but you would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the charge is correct before you can get a conviction and the accused does not need to say a word until he involves a lawyer or until his case is opened in court. people get arrested and answer "no comments" @ the police station until evidence is produced. you of all people should know that.



my parents would ask him how he knew i was the one that took it - he would have to produce his evidence. his evidence would be to frisk my bag or my pocket and if no money is found, he is in big soup! you just don't go around accusing people cos you can - it's awful!



i did not call you a bumbling oaf....
don't play the victim - i said if ese(hypothetical) comes out later and she says everything was a hoax, won't that make you look like a bumbling oaf considering the fact that you had believed her and you were casting aspersions at pastor biodun?

whether my argument is flawed or partisan is a moot point, i don't argue to please anyone - God forbid i kowtow the majority especially nigerians on issues like this. whenever i see nigerians arguing towards the left, more often than not, arguing towards the right is the solution

if nigerians get it right all the time, our country won't be as bad as it is - so i am not with y'all's herd mentality.

coogar:

fact is - i don't even know you exist!

Am Sorry for you, no wonder your agruements are baseless and childish, this Forum is for people who can affect people with their thoughtful and carefully written words, continue being Rude and bashful, afterall its a facelesss Forum you don't exist.


then she would have to look for another evidence. if something is true, some dots would connect. text messages, call logs, etc can be extracted as evidence.



but you would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the charge is correct before you can get a conviction and the accused does not need to say a word until he involves a lawyer or until his case is opened in court. people get arrested and answer "no comments" @ the police station until evidence is produced. you of all people should know that.



my parents would ask him how he knew i was the one that took it - he would have to produce his evidence. his evidence would be to frisk my bag or my pocket and if no money is found, he is in big soup! you just don't go around accusing people cos you can - it's awful!



i did not call you a bumbling oaf....
don't play the victim - i said if ese(hypothetical) comes out later and she says everything was a hoax, won't that make you look like a bumbling oaf considering the fact that you had believed her and you were casting aspersions at pastor biodun?

whether my argument is flawed or partisan is a moot point, i don't argue to please anyone - God forbid i kowtow the majority especially nigerians on issues like this. whenever i see nigerians arguing towards the left, more often than not, arguing towards the right is the solution

if nigerians get it right all the time, our country won't be as bad as it is - so i am not with y'all's herd mentality.

Lilboots:

Lol. It is funny that you take this position. To what extent would you advise the said pastor to refuse to comment, yet on a Sunday , he stands in church and preach. Doesn't it sound baffling ? Part of the problem here is his refusal to say 'yea' or 'Nay'. Let's say we follow your hypothetical case, and your client (i.e Pastor B) maintains mum (silent)in a police station and then he is charged to court. Do you know that If he did that in court (maintains silence), he may be held in contempt of court and can be locked up until he answers the question ? Or if indeed he was been charged in front a jury, the jury can be prompted to come out with a decision on what they believe in (which I think a lot of Nigerians have done in this site and others). He is perfectly entitled to answer any question with "I don't know". While he can be compelled to answer questions, he can't be compelled to know the answer. But whichever way, we would have heard from Pastor B.
In criminal law, if a defendant's plea in court that he/she will not contest the charge of a particular crime/accusation, also called "nolo contendere." While technically not an admission of guilt for commission of the crime, the judge will treat a plea of "no contest" as such an admission and proceed to find the defendant guilty as charged.
Mr Coogar, I do not want to continue this law lecture because if we do, I do not think we will finish here. At some point, in a hypothetical case, Pastor B would say something. However, that sounds rather far-fetched at this stage, so let the jury decide on what they believe in. And if you have been on a jury trial, the decision is made by votes of the jurists and a decision is reached by the majority votes. In this case, we know what it is. So please keep advising the said pastor to keep mum. It won't wash with us. If the tactics worked before, it won't this time around as nigerians are growing wiser to the antics of this pastors.

Donxavier:

This isn't a criminal allegation. He has broken no laws. He didn't r.ape her and she's not underage she's an adult. if the said event even happened it was consensual so there is no reason to respond to it publicly. It's a private affair and when cases like this come out it's just best to keep mum even if guilty as Sin.

Lilboots:

We know that. If you read the earlier conversations, you would know what brought up this hypothetical case. I and Coogar were having a very interesting argument spanning over several pages. Please read before jumping to the conclusion above. It was a hypothetical case brought up by coogar who said even if Pastor B were accused criminally, he had a right to keep mum at the police station and my response above was a reply to his statement. All hypothetical, of course

Lilboots:
Lol. It is funny that you take this position. To what extent would you advise the said pastor to refuse to comment, yet on a Sunday , he stands in church and preach. Doesn't it sound baffling ? Part of the problem here is his refusal to say 'yea' or 'Nay'. Let's say we follow your hypothetical case, and your client (i.e Pastor B) maintains mum (silent)in a police station and then he is charged to court.

Do you know that If he did that in court (maintains silence), he may be held in contempt of court and can be locked up until he answers the question ? Or if indeed he was been charged in front a jury, the jury can be prompted to come out with a decision on what they believe in (which I think a lot of Nigerians have done in this site and others). He is perfectly entitled to answer any question with "I don't know". While he can be compelled to answer questions, he can't be compelled to know the answer. But whichever way, we would have heard from Pastor B.

In criminal law, if a defendant's plea in court that he/she will not contest the charge of a particular crime/accusation, also called "nolo contendere." While technically not an admission of guilt for commission of the crime, the judge will treat a plea of "no contest" as such an admission and proceed to find the defendant guilty as charged.

Mr Coogar, I do not want to continue this law lecture because if we do, I do not think we will finish here. At some point, in a hypothetical case, Pastor B would say something. However, that sounds rather far-fetched at this stage, so let the jury decide on what they believe in. And if you have been on a jury trial, the decision is made by votes of the jurists and a decision is reached by the majority votes. In this case, we know what it is. So please keep advising the said pastor to keep mum. It won't wash with us. If the tactics worked before, it won't this time around as nigerians are growing wiser to the antics of this pastors.

demelza: Why hasnt PFN or CAN said anything about this? If na politics now, na there we go see Oritsejafor and co in action.

Luluvich: Pastor J is Jimi Odukoya , the son of the late Bimbo Odukoya. He's a minister of the gospel as well as a gospel singer.

Luluvich: Pastor J is Jimi Odukoya , the son of the late Bimbo Odukoya. He's a minister of the gospel as well as a gospel singer.

Bigcake: U r a little disgusting witch

Oyinprince: Who is this Pastor J?

God's proxy:
Cheap blackmail and publicity stunt.
God is your vindicator pas biodun