Bidam: foolish and unlearned arguments are hereby avoided.

noblefada:
Very simple, if u study the institution of law, u will discover that the law covenant btw God & Israel was a form of "Cause & Effect", meaning u obey God's laws u receive blessings, fruitfulness favour, u disobey the law, u receive curses, plague, diseases, destruction, exile, Whatever (of course from John 10:10 we now know who responsible for destruction), so disobeying the law had consequences. The same was still in operation in book of Malachi, u obey God's laws u get God's blessings u disobey u get the consequences. So devourer here was simply the consequence of disobeying n we now know who enforces it.

Bidam: Circumcision is a lame and flimsy argument anti-tithers always bring.I can confidently show you from OT scriptures where the circumcision that God talks about is of the heart which was also buttressed by Paul in the NT. gentiles still circumcised their children even without knowing Christ. Circumcision of the foreskin is NOT a requirement of salvation was the argument of Paul.

Tithing on the other hand is by Abrahamic covenant not a one-off event cos His children and grand children did tithe.Abraham taught them.

Tithing was regulated under the LAW.In the NT we tithe by FAITH.

Demain_man:


I help you change am to TITHING because this thread is not about GIVING sir. We all give!

noblefada:
I think I'll stop here, if truly from the above God would have recorded n prevent us from making guesses. But let me say this God did not bless Abraham based on anything he did, but purely out of Grace. Gal 3:18 NET For if the inheritance is based on the law, it is no longer based on the promise, but God graciously gave it to Abraham through the promise.

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That is new.
Where in the Bible did any of Abraham's eight children tithe?.Give us chapters and verses asap or I will henceforth start naming u liar on here and on other threads.

Also,show us where/whence Abraham entered into this "tithing covenant" with God.
The only grandchild of Abraham's that paid a tenth of his property was Jacob n it was in fulfillment of a vow he made years earlier.Again,he only paid it once,not repeatedly as is the modern wont.

As to the other leg of your argument,what Abraham,other patriarchs n other godly men did thru all the ages was freewill giving.

Without compulsion,not out of fear,no specific amount/percentage required n certainly with no expectation of being paid back in whatever fold

Our God is not a money-doubler.

It's this same freewill giving the Apostles practiced n Paul encouraged,you know the "God loves a cheerful giver" thingy.

Waiting on u to provide chapters n verses on ur assertion that Abraham's children n grandchildren,Esau especially,paid tithes.Also,where n when Abraham entered into tithing covenant with God.Don't think u can duck it,Bidam.

Bidam: Tithing is giving.

EMILO2STAY: tithing is not voluntary giving.

Bidam: Do you give at all? Or except when you think you have surplus?

EMILO2STAY: i dont pay tithe.i give freely any amount i am moved to give. Any one paying tithe thinking it is an act of obedience, is actually disobeying God. Christians are commanded to give voluntarily not by compulsion or in fear of God sending a devourer

Bidam: You are actually misconstruing issues here.Tithing is a form of giving amongst many other scriptural givings which is in the bible. You get light based on the understanding of your walk with God and His ways.

Let me say here that Christians tithe by FAITH and not because it is commanded/though the tithe doctrine has been abused over the decade by most pentecostal churches doesn't make it unbiblical

Even God has EVERY RIGHT to reject VOLUNTARY givings that does not emanate from a pure heart of a GIVER.Cain was an example of such giving.

As for the issue of the devourer,you can hold onto you beliefs.We grow in grace,it is not an issue of contentions and strife abeg'

EMILO2STAY: stop decieving urself, saying christians tithe by faith is silly. U mean christians now choose to go back to the old covenant by faith. Show me in the bible where christians payed tithe with faith. U sound very very silly

EMILO2STAY: i dont pay tithe.i give freely any amount i am moved to give.

Bidam: Tithing is giving.

Bidam:
Tithing on the other hand is by Abrahamic covenant not a one-off event cos His children and grand children did tithe.Abraham taught them.

Bidam: Yeah...giving a torned,overused and abused 5,10,20 naira notes is ANY AMOUNT.Can you give that as a gift to your EARTHLY father? God is not MOCKED.

Bidam: Tithing is giving.

fr_evangel: "Christians tithe by faith" is an outright contradiction.
It's like saying Christians offer burnt offerings today by faith.
Faith and tithe cannot go in the same sentence just as righteousness by works and grace cannot go together.
Only those who have turned the gospel to 'baba ijebu' can say such things.

Enigma: If it is only Five naira that a person can afford, it is not an insult to God.

God did not consider the widow's mite an insult.

If a person sees, five beggars and gives each of them 20 Naira, the 20 naira given to each beggar is actually given to Jesus And guess what, Jesus Christ Himself said so!

Bidam: Yeah..i can understand your carnal point of view.Everything in God's kingdom is BY FAITH.The kingdom is INVISIBLE REALLY. You can go ahead with your so called voluntary givings to your social clubs/organization.The reward is evident and earthly.Are they noT building monuments everywhere?SMH!!

Bidam: Yeah...giving a torned,overused and abused 5,10,20 naira notes is ANY AMOUNT.Can you give that as a gift to your EARTHLY father? God is not MOCKED.

Bidam: Circumcision is a lame and flimsy argument anti-tithers always bring.I can confidently show you from OT scriptures where the circumcision that God talks about is of the heart which was also buttressed by Paul in the NT. gentiles still circumcised their children even without knowing Christ. Circumcision of the foreskin is NOT a requirement of salvation was the argument of Paul.

Tithing on the other hand is by Abrahamic covenant not a one-off event cos His children and grand children did tithe.Abraham taught them.

Tithing was regulated under the LAW.In the NT we tithe by FAITH.

Enigma: If it is only Five naira that a person can afford, it is not an insult to God.

God did not consider the widow's mite an insult.

If a person sees five beggars and gives each of them 20 Naira, the 20 naira given to each beggar is actually given to Jesus. And guess what, Jesus Christ Himself said so!

Bidam: It is insult because the poster says ANY amount in STARK contrast to the widow who GAVE ALL she had.

With ALL HUMILITY i don't give such amount to beggers .

I can see your post has generated sympathy from your fellows anti-tithers who don't give talkless of to tithe.

Keep up the delusions.God is watching.

As for OTHERS, you can check other tithe threads for your recycled old garbage of a question.Because i don't quote scriptures to validate my post sometimes doesn't mean ALL i said are not stated in scriptures.

Imagine someone saying tithe is a TAX, What a height of imbecility.

BTW,I am done here,you don't need to bother replying cos this is my last post.

rhowly:
You see the law only makes you an accuser. Because people believe paying tithe isn't right doesn't make them less givers. Their giving might embarrass you. I make it a point of duty to give more than tithe. So hold your horses we are brethren. At least I still think so

bokom: Pls read and think of it ...,Pastors are building Empires for themselves.... These Pastors tell us 'law' came by moses, but 'grace' came by Jesus... They pray with the grace of Jesus, and collect money with the law of Moses. They are Christians, but nothing Christ-like about them anymore... Jesus Christ was a just man, who understood the principle of the 'widow's mite', but our today Pastors don't give a shit about widow's mite... The more you give, the more important you're in today's churches, irrespective of wether the money is ill-gotten or not. JUST GIVE!!!! The bible is now a weapon of mass deception... They twist the bible knowing that people are lazy to read. They collect 10% tithe, they collect welfare offering, they collect building offering, regular offering *all from one month's salary etc.... After which they will ask you to make vows and sow seeds at random! Haha!! Why won't they be billionaires?After collection, they build high profile schools, exotic Hotels and Hospitals for Politicians and their children, not caring about people who have been giving their widow's mite. The bible said "give that there may be meat in my store house"... God never said you should keep collecting after you have an overflow.
Otunba Fayo OgunkanmbiBOWEN UNIVERSITY N650,000 persemester, COVENANT UNIVERSITY N640,000 per semester, BENSON IDAHOSA N500,000 per semester, JABU450,000 per semester, BABCOCK UNIVERSITY N450,000 per semester, REDEEMERS UNIVERSITY N450,000 persemester, AJAYI CROWTHER UNIVERSITY N350,000 per semester, MADONNA UNIVERSITY 350,000 per semester. ALLOF THESE UNIVERSITIES WERE BUILTFROM TITHES AND OFFERINGS OF THECOMMON PEOPLE WHO NOW CAN'TAFFORD TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN THERE! where is the morals of thechurch going? These schools were all built with the sweats of their church members who kept sowing seeds; special offering seeds, first fruit seed,redemption seed, thanksgiving seed, harvest seed, tithes, pastor's birthday seed, church building seed, evangelism seed, father's day seed, mother's day seed, children' day seed, pastor's cake seed, olive oil seed, etc. These schls are now elite schools, only for the rich politician children. The gainers then use the profits to buy private planes $ jets to fly up high in luxury. While Warren Buffet who has a company that build jets, still fly around on public commercial jet. Meanwhile, their members sleep hungry & d next Sunday, they will read Malachi 3:6-12. If you think this is unfair, like me, please pass on dis msg because this is reality & we should start the change now! May God deliver us.