Hi all.
Against all odds and the possible criticism and mockery that this post might attract, let me join those who seek advice on their friends' situations, or is it their own situations?
Now, a "friend of mine" has been denied a legal status to stay in Ireland after a four year long battle. . , the ministry of justice claimed they are not satisfied that "his" story does not have enough evidence to verify "his" claims. he did applied to be allowed to remain in the country on humanitarian ground which has also been called to a halt. Last week, "he" received an immigration letter ordering "him" to leave the country volunterily or face deportation.
My question now is, which of these two options is better, to buy "his" own ticket and leave on "his" own, or to be deported?
I heard that in either ways, whether one is deported or "he" voluntarily leaves a country after failed attempts to legalisation, the nigerian immigration arrests the person on arrival and "he" is detained until he pays a fine or is it a bribe. How true is this?
Also, what are the measures one has to take to avoid severe punishments by the nigerian authorities, can someone please give advice? Any advice would be appreciated even advice from enemies are welcomed.

@ vicjustice oops! Figurehead

Either he buys the ticket or he gets deported, those boys at immigration will still subject him to humiliation.

However,if this case is real and your friend is serious, i could hook him up with someone at the airport  that will ensure he gets treated 'nicely' with no hassles once he touches down from the airplane.

Figurehead:


My question now is, which of these two options is better, to buy his own ticket and leave on his own, or to be deported?
I heard that in either ways, whether one is deported or he voluntarily leaves a country after failed attempts to legalisation, the nigerian immigration arrests the person on arrival and he is detained until he pays a fine or is it a bribe. How true is this?

A four year long case of immigration battle _{Why not marry an Irish citizen like}

If he gets to be deported by the Irish Authorities, he will be handed over to Nigerian Immigration Authorities for straight-away detention!

If he willingly decides to go back to Nigeria on his own, he has nothing to worry about. _{(If he knows people within the Immigration Authority though).}

However, if you can make open his case here, I am sure there are one or two ways it can be handled. It is definitely not the end of the world for whomever is involved in this case.

@pataki

What do you mean by he should marry oyinbo? Its no longer that easy oh. You think say those women never sharpen up?? Naija men treat those irish women like shit. Remember that my 'egbon's' story i told you about?

1) Have they at anytime taken his fingerprint?

funkybaby:

@pataki

What do you mean by he should marry oyinbo? Its no longer that easy oh. You think say those women never sharpen up?? Naija men treat those irish women like shit. Remember that my 'egbon's' story i told you about?

What I meant was a four year long battle of immigration tussle, and all he could come up with was: humanitarian grounds for wanting to remain in the Republic of Ireland, and yet without sufficient evidence to substantiate his claims. That smells of crap to me.

I know these women have become wiser with the way Men treat them all in the name of wanting to stay abroad. They take loads of shit and I am truly aware of that. I surely remember the case of your ''egbon''. But the fact still remains that desperate Nigerians still use this means of securing their stay even in the Ireland.

In most EU countries like Poland, all you have to do pay a Polish girl 5,000 euros for a five year duration of contract marriage and thereafter you secure your stay permanently. If she spill the beans during that time to the immigration authorities, your next point of call is in the airport immediately. [i]Owo wo igbo live[/i].

_{Wassup with your blueband, thought it was superb today? I am still waiting here though.}

Four long years! Its really sad o and its not that easy if you have nothing to go back home to but all the same its still much better and 'glorious' to buy your own ticket and return on your own. I am not sure what happens at the Airport though but still thinks leaving on your own is better than being deported. Take heart and start thinking of how to assemble the pieces of your life together back home and of course remember to transfer your cash via money transfer agency may be a day before you leave so you can collect it yourself on arrival, i no too trust, o

Akolawole:

1) Have they at anytime taken his fingerprint?

Definitely since he sought assylum!

funkybaby:

@ vicjustice oops! Figurehead

Couldnt have been him otherwise he would not have been able to go on that his holiday trip and come back to share thoooooooooooose pictures.

Akolawole:

1) Have they at anytime taken his fingerprint?

Egbon, good to see you once again oh. How you dey sir?

Seems this are the days of massive deportation. With the introduction of the Tier 1 system now, HSMP has been cancelled, fingerprinting for every UK application you make now, what is the way out for boys oh?

In your own view, if you are given an order to leave the UK, do you think it is advisable to leave?

I know a friend who was studying in the UK for ACCA, unfortunately, got his/her papers delayed for renewal of visa all from the school, his/her visa renewal was thereon denied. Made a statement of reconsideration thereon, forwarded it to Home Office, application was unsuccessful. Asked to leave the UK, decided to comply with the orders.

Now upon entering Nigeria, made an application for a student visa to continue studying ACCA in the UK, student visa application was refused. Made an appeal to AIT, appeal was rejected by the immigration judge because of overstaying in the UK at first time.

What do you think can be done?

ayomifull:

Definitely since he sought assylum!

To the best of my knowledge, I do not think he would have been fingerprinted yet!

Agreed he sought for asylum, however if I am very correct, he tried making the application from within Ireland itself. Fingerprinting is currently been done outside the UK, and keep in mind, this is a four year long case of immigration battle with the authorities. When did the fingerprinting palaver come into full force?

Anyways, I stand to be corrected though.

Figurehead:

Hi all.
Against all odds and the possible criticism and mockery that this post might attract, let me join those who seek advice on their friends' situations or is it their own situations?
Now, a "friend of mine" has been denied a legal status to stay in Ireland after a four year long battle. . , the ministry of justice claimed they are not satisfied that his story does not have enough evidence to verify his claims. he did applied to be allowed to remain in the country on humanitarian ground which has also been called to a halt. Last week, he received an immigration letter ordering him to leave the country volunterily or face deportation.
My question now is, which of these two options is better, to buy his own ticket and leave on his own, or to be deported?
I heard that in either ways, whether one is deported or he voluntarily leaves a country after failed attempts to legalisation, the nigerian immigration arrests the person on arrival and he is detained until he pays a fine or is it a bribe. How true is this?
Also, what are the measures one has to take to avoid severe punishments by the nigerian authorities, can someone please give advice? Any advice would be appreciated even advice from enemies are welcomed.

So sorry about it,But men make sure you rake everything rakeable,cause I dont know how you want to survive in Nigeria,well I guess during the 4yrs you were makin some savings and investments anyway.

Pataki:

To the best of my knowledge, I do not think he would have been fingerprinted yet!

Agreed he sought for asylum, however if I am very correct, he tried making the application from within Ireland itself. Fingerprinting is currently been done outside the UK, and keep in mind, this is a four year long case of immigration battle with the authorities. When did the fingerprinting palaver come into full force?

Anyways, I stand to be corrected though.

To the best of my knowledge and of course speaking from experience he would definitely have been since he only sought assylum 4 years ago. Fingerprining of assylum seekers in Ireland has been on for a very long time, long before i arrived 5 years ago.

I really thank you all for your replies.

funkybaby:

@ vicjustice oops! Figurehead

This is a more serious issue, not the time for name callings, please. Vic is the only person i know in reality, we live in same town and i fancy him alot, he has been supportive and encouraging to me, but that doesn't make me he

funkybaby:

Either he buys the ticket or he gets deported, those boys at immigration will still subject him to humiliation.

However,if this case is real and your friend is serious, i could hook him up with someone at the airport  that will ensure he gets treated 'nicely' with no hassles once he touches down from the airplane.

Oh, this is very thoughtful of you, and yes, the case is real, i am the person it concerns, and i will really consider this as a last resort, but i am still hoping that an assigned lawyer will do something about this to overturn the decission.

Pataki:

A four year long case of immigration battle _{Why not marry an Irish citizen like}

If he gets to be deported by the Irish Authorities, he will be handed over to Nigerian Immigration Authorities for straight-away detention!

If he willingly decides to go back to Nigeria on his own, he has nothing to worry about. _{(If he knows people within the Immigration Authority though).}

However, if you can make open his case here, I am sure there are one or two ways it can be handled. It is definitely not the end of the world for whomever is involved in this case.

I know what you mean, but the conduct of marrying a woman for documents does not work in Ireland, first of all, there are some requirements to meet, and secondly, even if you work your way into marriage, you will never be given the permit to stay in Ireland. There are Many people who are married for many years and even have kids, yet they don;t have the permit to stay in Ireland. Ireland does not issue residence permit on marriage ground

ayomifull:

Four long years! Its really sad o and its not that easy if you have nothing to go back home to but all the same its still much better and 'glorious' to buy your own ticket and return on your own. I am not sure what happens at the Airport though but still thinks leaving on your own is better than being deported. Take heart and start thinking of how to assemble the pieces of your life together back home and of course remember to transfer your cash via money transfer agency may be a day before you leave so you can collect it yourself on arrival, i no too trust, o

Definitely since he sought assylum!

But if we are not certain of the reception on arrival at MMA, then it is a risk to waste personal money for ticket and still face the nigerian immigration troubles.

Akolawole:

1) Have they at anytime taken his fingerprint?

Of course, they took the finger prints before anything else began, if not even the knockles and ankle prints

[quote author=funkybaby link=topic=147413.msg2449576#msg2449576 date=121499949

Either he buys the ticket or he gets deported, those boys at immigration will still subject him to humiliation [quote][/quote]

If he buys a ticket and leave like they say, no immigration officer in Nigeria will ever bother him if he knows his rights, he has not committed a criminal offence. He has only overstayed. It's not like he has been in prison and being deported, escorted or dragged into the aircraft in handcuffs by the police. He is leaving of his own free will(although advised to do that), from his home(not prison or detention camp), with a flight of his choice. A lot of people overstay in foreign countries and they have a right as citizens to return home. Some only pay to 'backdate' to be able to return to the same country immediately. And this doesn't even apply in his case. So he should just walk now while he still can.

If the guy applied for asylum then he would definitely have been fingerprinted. Anyone applying for asylum in Western Europe is routinely fingerprinted and the information is shared amongst all European countries. This is done primarily to stop people shopping around for the best "asylum deal" in different identities.

If he returns to Nigeria on his own passport why would he have problems from Nigerian immigration on arrival? It wouldn't be written on his forehead that he had problems in Ireland, and I'm sure he would have more sense than to tell them of his problems.

@ Vor and coolier,

I do not know much about asylum cases, but my question is that what would be the visa status on the passport of asylum seekers?

How would he come into the country and he would not be questioned by the NIA? I guess I do not hold much knowledge on this subject matter, but I do wish to know how he can enter the country and he wont be subjected to questions from immigration authorities.

@figurehead

Who told you that marrying an irish woman for documents does not work in Ireland? Abeg, tell that to the birds. Infact, about five years after the marriage, if all goes well and the woman is still blinded by love, the man get his Irish passport. Having kids with the woman makes the situation only a lot more juicy. Council flat, weekly stipend, etc.

@coolier and VOR
He will be questioned by those immigration boys. He cant escape it. Normally, he would be asked to present his passport. When they see the expired visa (maybe an expired nigerian passport too), the stamps, they would know the rest of his story without asking. Those coming to the country with travelling certificates these days get quizzed seriously how much more a failed asylum seeker. Na hot cake for them be that. Lol. Who is he to demand his rights as a citizen from them? He would be questioned, harassed and humiliated. Trust me. They might even take his picture and have it documented.

VOR:


If he returns to Nigeria on his own passport why would he have problems from Nigerian immigration on arrival? It wouldn't be written on his forehead that he had problems in Ireland, and I'm sure he would have more sense than to tell them of his problems.

He would have problems with the Nigerian Immigration because:

1. He applied for a stay in Ireland as a refugee/Asylum seeker. On what grounds did he have to show that he was not safe in his home country? (Ogboni people want to take his life?)

2. If his home country (Nigeria) was un-safe for him, why does he now think returning back to his country is safe for him?

3. Upon his leaving Ireland, there would be a stamp on his passport indicating that he was a failed asylum seeker in Ireland and was asked to Ireland. Which hungry Nigerian Immigration Officer will see such a stamp on his passport and joyfully welcome such a ''deserving'' citizen easy entrance into the country?

Pataki:

On what grounds did he have to show that he was not safe in his home country? (Ogboni people want to take his life?)

If his home country (Nigeria) was un-safe for him, why does he now think returning back to his country is safe for him?

Which hungry Nigerian Immigration Officer will see such a stamp on his passport and joyfully welcome such a ''deserving'' citizen easy entrance into the country?

Roflmao!!

Abi oh? They would humiliate him seriously.

@All

99% of Assylum seekers dont have passport.

@Topic

Normally, Deportee should be arrested but they(immigration officer) hardly do that. Infact most of them even donate money to Deportee for transport home.

funkybaby:

@figurehead

Who told you that marrying an irish woman for documents does not work in Ireland? Abeg, tell that to the birds. Infact, about five years after the marriage, if all goes well and the woman is still blinded by love, the man get his Irish passport. Having kids with the woman makes the situation only a lot more juicy. Council flat, weekly stipend, etc.

Not as you say, FBaby. maybe this happened many years ago, but not in recent years. I do not want to go into details of all the failed measures that i have taken to legalise my stay, even marriages do not work.
At any one time, there are thousands of immigrants that are married to Irish citizens and they do not have the permit to stay in Ireland. Those who enjoy the benefit of such marriages are the people who came into ireland with valid long term visas or work permit, and also those who have evidence that they have legally resided in other EU countries, and having married in there, they entered Ireland with the EU treaty rights visa. But anyone who married in Ireland as an illegal immigrant remains an illegal immigrant no matter what comes out of the marriage; even if the wife and the kids are Irish or EU citizens, and he's not immune against deportation
I know about Irish immigration, but what i don't know is the consequences a deportee faces in nigeria.
Now that everybody has different opinions about this, i am the more confused, i am thinking of sending someone to find out from the immigration people at MMA and see what they have to advice.
Now am at the edge of three choices among six options:
To delay my next move and see if the lawyer can do anything and overturn the decission or to just give it up and leave?
To pay for my ticket and go home voluntarily or to face deportation and keep my money?
To use a TC or to use my evidently stamped passport which i have hidden from authority
even, the thought of sneaking into another country is not out of the question, but to be frank, this situation has really made me fed up about living abroad.

Thank you all, got to go now, will read from you tomorrow. once again, thank you so much. goodnight. One love

@figurehead
As at 2006, marriage to Irish citizens worked very very well. I am freaking double sure about this abeg. Guys that got into Ireland straight from naija with visit visas and not any long term visas or any other route you are talking about. Maybe you were unlucky and you probably met the wrong women. But for the lucky ones, it works well well.

Ayomiful, where are you abeg? Please kindly state your opinion on the success rate of this marriage thing in Ireland.

You could use a TC. That wont guarantee you easy passage at the immigration point though. You will still be quizzed, 'detained' and attended to specially.

@ Figurehead,

You really did not do your homework well about marrying an EU citizen and settling your stay. That it may not possibly work in Ireland does not imply it is so with other EU countries.

I know within the Dutch immigration policies, once you are married to a Dutch citizen, you are asked to leave the country at first, and then you file an application from your home country with the intention of living with your spouse in the EU country.

If Ireland was proving difficult, why sit your ass therein? You could have migrated to other Western European country with your spouse and made a proper application for residence permit from there, and subsequently in months/years return to Ireland to settle your stay permanently. (Just my own opinion though).

The Home Office is making a boast of having deported over 2,400 illegal immigrants since the beginning of this year, so sad you have added to their list.

Also, what are the measures one has to take to avoid severe punishments by the nigerian authorities, can someone please give advice? Any advice would be appreciated even advice from enemies are welcomed.

According to this documentary-trapped, the lady being deported settled for $100


Good luck with your appeal

Akolawole:

@All

99% of Assylum seekers don't have passport.

Thts's exactly what am saying that he would leave on his own free will just like any other person. They wud issue him with a travel certificate. People do it all the time. He tells the immigration in Lagos if they ask him that his passport is lost. Am telling you he would only need to give them anything if he so desires. If he says he has no money then he has none, nobody would detain him for loss of passport. He hasn't just been released from prison. He overstayed(forget assylum) and is returning home.

Coolier,

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off-topic:
are people really buying your Yoruba Books?

You may also want to talk to these people

http://yorubaforkidsabroad.com/

disclaimer: I dont know them.Just saw that both of you trying to do same thing.


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back-to-topic:

It is neither here or there.

but where ever you find yourself; be the best in what you do.

Many Naija suffer abroad, yet many Naija enjoy in Nigeria.

It is a tough road. Good Luck.

Pataki:

@ Figurehead,
I know within the Dutch immigration policies, once you are married to a Dutch citizen, you are asked to leave the country at first, and then you file an application from your home country with the intention of living with your spouse in the EU country.

Yes, this is something many people avoid. Leaving the eu country and applying for a visa in home country to re-enter is often a difficult task to carry out. I know somebody who took that step and was stranded in delay and frustration in Nigeria for 53 months (after his marriage) before he was considered for a visa. As i am writing this now, my close friend has been in Naija for almost 4 years and his application is yet to come through: his supposed wife (who has been messing around with niggas) is now pregnant for one of them: true story.

Pataki:

If Ireland was proving difficult, why sit your ass therein? You could have migrated to other Western European country with your spouse and made a proper application for residence permit from there, and subsequently in months/years return to Ireland to settle your stay permanently. (Just my own opinion though).

Man, it takes one with valid documents to travel within Europe, not an asylum seeker

Pataki:

The Home Office is making a boast of having deported over 2,400 illegal immigrants since the beginning of this year, so sad you have added to their list.

These people are up to something merciless. There hasn't been a direct flight from Dublin to Lagos, but in december last year, the Irish aviation introduced a trial flight, and the plane was loaded with 226 deportees to MMA.

coolier:

Thts's exactly what am saying that he would leave on his own free will just like any other person. They would issue him with a travel certificate. People do it all the time. He tells the immigration in Lagos if they ask him that his passport is lost. Am telling you he would only need to give them anything if he so desires. If he says he has no money then he has none, nobody would detain him for loss of passport. He hasn't just been released from prison. He overstayed(forget assylum) and is returning home.

Accepted that he overstayed, on what grounds did he overstay? Ma'am, whether he uses a TC or his international passport, the fact still remains that he will be subjected to questioning upon his arrival at MMA.

Why?
1. He is going to pass through the Irish Immigration border at the airport, will most likely be asked to fill up some forms, and details will be stamped on either the TC or his passport.

Or do you wish to tell me otherwise?

Figurehead:


These people are up to something merciless. There hasn't been a direct flight from Dublin to Lagos, but in december last year, the Irish aviation introduced a trial flight, and the plane was loaded with 226 deportees to MMA.

Lmao !!! 

funkybaby:


Ayomiful, where are you abeg? Please kindly state your opinion on the success rate of this marriage thing in Ireland.

It definitely does work (especially 4 years ago!), before the recent bills they are introducing shortly, an assylum seeker can be married to Irish citizen and be allowed to reside in Ireland once the marriage is done legally. A cousin of mine who was married to an Irish years ago divorced her after getting his Irish passport, he illegally brought his fiancee in Nigeria in and she went to seek assylum, few weeks after they got married, she withdrew her application for assylum and applied for legal stay as a legally married wife of an Irish citizen and she was given legal residence as a spouse of Irish citizen, it took a while though but while waiting for the paper one can never be deported.

Its not that easy though especially these days but it works, its just that awon omo yen ti gbo won mo reason ti awon boys fi nfe won and they can make it almost impossible unlike in those days, i think the bill has not been passed to law which states that an assylum seeker can not get married in Ireland.

@ poster dont wait to be deported if you can buy yr ticket, if u have a passport nothing is stamped on yr passport at the airport while leaving Ireland afterall u are going to yr country they have no problem with that and i wonder why u'll have problem with immigration in Nigeria except you want to tell them that u are a failed assylum seeker and why will you do that? simply tell them u lost yr passport , and while waiting for lawyer's intervention please watch your back, becareful with going to sign anyday at the gardai station can be yr last in Ireland and to ba possible ma gbe ibi ti won mo pe ongbe otherwise they can just come in and u are gone. Since the letter has been issued u can be returned anyday without any notice.

ayomifull:

It definitely does work (especially 4 years ago!), before the recent bills they are introducing shortly, an assylum seeker can be married to Irish citizen and be allowed to reside in Ireland once the marriage is done legally. A cousin of mine who was married to an Irish years ago divorced her after getting his Irish passport, he illegally brought his fiancee in Nigeria in and she went to seek assylum, few weeks after they got married, she withdrew her application for assylum and applied for legal stay as a legally married wife of an Irish citizen and she was given legal residence as a spouse of Irish citizen, it took a while though but while waiting for the paper one can never be deported.

Its not that easy though especially these days but it works, its just that awon omo yen ti gbo won mo reason ti awon boys fi nfe won and they can make it almost impossible unlike in those days, i think the bill has not been passed to law which states that an assylum seeker can not get married in Ireland.

@ poster don't wait to be deported if you can buy yr ticket, if u have a passport nothing is stamped on yr passport at the airport while leaving Ireland afterall u are going to yr country they have no problem with that and i wonder why u'll have problem with immigration in Nigeria except you want to tell them that u are a failed assylum seeker and why will you do that? simply tell them u lost yr passport , and while waiting for lawyer's intervention please watch your back, becareful with going to sign anyday at the gardai station can be yr last in Ireland and to ba possible ma gbe ibi ti won mo pe ongbe otherwise they can just come in and u are gone. Since the letter has been issued u can be returned anyday without any notice.

ayomifull, o ma se my dear.

ma da bobo yi loun. ko ja si ni.

ayomifull:

It definitely does work (especially 4 years ago!), before the recent bills they are introducing shortly, an assylum seeker can be married to Irish citizen and be allowed to reside in Ireland once the marriage is done legally. A cousin of mine who was married to an Irish years ago divorced her after getting his Irish passport, he illegally brought his fiancee in Nigeria in and she went to seek assylum, few weeks after they got married, she withdrew her application for assylum and applied for legal stay as a legally married wife of an Irish citizen and she was given legal residence as a spouse of Irish citizen, it took a while though but while waiting for the paper one can never be deported.

Its not that easy though especially these days but it works, its just that awon omo yen ti gbo won mo reason ti awon boys fi nfe won and they can make it almost impossible unlike in those days, i think the bill has not been passed to law which states that an assylum seeker can not get married in Ireland.

Hi Ayomifull. Marying for documents (by illegal residents) did work in the past, but that was until 2005. these days, only people with long term visas or other acceptable documentation do get these benefits from marriages. You should be aware that people who get married for papers after 2005 do so in vain.
A friend of mine got married to american girl in another eu country, he came into ireland by government employment under health ministry yet, he was given Irish passport in less that 2 year of living and working in Ireland. I think the irish government take some individual value into consideration.