Pastor Olu T: Italo u struck me as one intelligent spirit led Christian, now i just have to doubt!
Do u now lift up ur church above Christ? 'cos all I see is u canvassing for Roman catholic church which u even understand so little about!

You seriously need to consider below's post

Joagbaje:

There is no deviation from one baptism .There were different doctrines and understanding even in the bible days and among apostles

Romans 14:5-7
One man esteemeth one day above another:another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

Ukuts gp: I think most of this doctrines evolve mostly from catholic and j.w

italo:

Which doctrines?

Ukuts gp: Like the doctrine of trinity. Did it not originate from d catholics?

italo:

Thanks for your concern and compliments. I appreciate it.

I am not lifting the Church above Christ. That is impossible. The Church is the body of Christ. To canvass the teachings of the Church is to canvass the teachings of Christ.

It was Christ that told his apostles: "he who hears you hears me," not me.

I think you also need to consider my reply to kcjazz and my other posts. If there is any lie, point it out.

Ukuts gp:
Are u claiming that the bible came from catholics? U must b joking right?

All scripture are given by the inspiration of God. Hv read that before. Catholics only succeeded in confusing people with their many weird doctrines that i dnt even know where they invented it from.

Ukuts gp:

Many of their unscriptural practices such as praying through mary and many more doesnt tell good of the catholics.

Pastor Olu T:

Cool down bro, I think I should open a thread so we clarify some things. 'cos when I discuss with people I dont appreciate saying too many things at a time n deviatin.

So this is what is going o happen in that thread we discuss one thing at a time, I think we will start from salvation which will be the topic for the thread.

Enigma: There are many reasons why "churches" have different "doctrines". Some of them are legitimate based on genuinely different perceptions as may even be culturally influenced.

Some are simply due to "flesh"; some are because the Christian Church has been infiltrated by 'enemies' and this has always been so even from the apostolic age.

Nevertheless the Christian Church is one. The Christian Church does not know denominations whether Roman Catholic Church or Cutlass Sharp Sharp Ministry. The Christian Church is not inhibited by "doctrinal differences" in the final analysis. See for example the points raised in this thread on the sense in which the Christian Church is infallible: https://www.nairaland.com/1229310/infallibility-christian-church-simple-approach

It was the Christian Church (and absolutely NOT the Roman Catholic Church) that gave us the Bible. The Christian Church had given us the Bible by the end of the first century AD. The Roman Catholic Church did not finally settle its own Bible until as late as the 16th century. What the Roman Catholics like to claim about the 4th century is false and chicanery; and in any event even that is preceded by what other parts of the Christian Church had done. For example, Athanasius' list of AD367 came before anything that the Roman Catholics can claim --- even anything that they can claim falsely, like Hippo and Carthage.

As Christians, our focus is the Christian Church; the Roman Catholic Church is at best just another denomination or part of the containers of members of the Christian Church.

woky: Enigma my brother, take am easy o

Enigma:

woky, my brother (and I do not just mean 'separated brethren'), I will try.

Cheers.

italo:

Okay so when and where did God ever mention "Bible" in the Bible?

When and where did God say that the book of Mark is inspired and the Acts of Peter is not?

Tell me!

Where did God ever say "dont pray through Mary?"

It seems like you're the one inventing doctrines.

Before you answer, please be careful.

Dont say anything you are not sure of. It could turn out very embarassing for you.

Ukuts gp: The bible is there for everybody. And the truth in it stares us in the face but many dont want to accept it. I am not ready to bandy words with anyone here because the bible speaks for itself on some of this issues but some have close their mind to receive the truth that will set them free.

italo:

But your 1 billion "denominations" use the same Bible which speaks for itself.

Why are they still in total confusion?

Is the Bible the pillar and foundation of truth or is it the Church?

italo:

One denomination proclaims that masturbation is okay; the other says it is a sin.

Are they both right? Is this one faith? Isnt this division from the devil?

Ukuts gp: Is catholic not included in the denominations?. That is simple enough to answer.

Ukuts gp:
The church is established by christ. He says 'i will build my church and the gate of hell shall not prevail against it. The church is not establish by anybody it is christ and christ only. And if the church must be united in one doctrine we must go back to christ teaching and learn from him. Christ encourage us to learn from him. (matt 11:29).

Joagbaje:

Self service is a bad habit .No denomination says it's ok .I'm only hearing it from you.

italo: @ Ukuts gp,

Just to bring back my questions that you deliberately avoided by saying you didnt want to "bandy words with anybody." As it turns out, that was false. You probably are ashamed to give honest answers to them.

Okay so when and where did God ever mention "Bible" in the Bible?

When and where did God say that the book of Mark is inspired and the Acts of Peter is not?

Where did God ever say "dont pray through Mary?"

It seems like you're the one inventing doctrines.

Again, dont say anything you are not sure of. It could turn out very embarassing for you. If you dont know, simply say "I dont know."

That is what honest children of God do.

Sal C: Answering these^^^ questions honestly will open many peoples' eyes.

italo:

My prayer is that God's children can answer honestly.

Ukuts gp: @italo. Everyone knows that it is only catholic that is on this mary thing and a lot of debate have gone already for that on this forum however, if you want my elucidation on that issue you let me know not by issuing me threat cos i cannot be intimidated by anyone including you.

If you have an issue with what i say, simply ask me to substantiate my claims and i will do so. You even think i am afraid of you or what.

I am here to reason things out with open minded people not people who are not ready to accept knowledge that will liberate them. Thanks.

chukwudi44:

Bros answer the damn questions!! Nobody issued any threats to you.answer the questions if you are sincere and stop dodging

woky: i can bet wit my last card that he won't/cnt answer those questions

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