Divepen: Sorry sir you ave not explained anyting here o

Joshthefirst: Most skeptics will claim that the bible cordones and supported slavery. But they fail to realize that the bible gave rules on how to treat slaves such as the one above, and these in the new testament:

Ephesians 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
(KJV)

Colossians 4:1 Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.

Slavery in recent times is very different from the kind in bible days. In bible days, slaves were not considered inferior, and they were not used based on skin colour.

One could sell himself to slavery because he wants his needs catered for completely by his master, a doctor could be a slave due to his services, etc etc.

But as christians in this day and age, we are to fight against the forms of slavery around us like sex trade etc as we are examples, being freed from slavery to sin.

A good example of the way God detests humiliation and forced slavery is the way he responded with terrible plagues to egypt when the children of israel were treated horribly and forced into slavery.

Joshthefirst: Most skeptics will claim that the bible cordones and supported slavery. But they fail to realize that the bible gave rules on how to treat slaves such as the one above, and these in the new testament:

Ephesians 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
(KJV)

Colossians 4:1 Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.

Slavery in recent times is very different from the kind in bible days. In bible days, slaves were not considered inferior, and they were not used based on skin colour.

One could sell himself to slavery because he wants his needs catered for completely by his master, a doctor could be a slave due to his services, etc etc.

But as christians in this day and age, we are to fight against the forms of slavery around us like sex trade etc as we are examples, being freed from slavery to sin.

A good example of the way God detests humiliation and forced slavery is the way he responded with terrible plagues to egypt when the children of israel were treated horribly and forced into slavery.

plaetton:

It just never seizes to amaze me how a person can say two contradictory things in one sentence.

According to you,the bible does not condone slavery, but only gives guidelines as to how to treat them?
Even though in the op, you must have seen the :

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

What species are you, my joshthefirst?

plaetton:

It just never seizes to amaze me how a person can say two contradictory things in one sentence.

According to you,the bible does not condone slavery, but only gives guidelines as to how to treat them?
Even though in the op, you must have seen the :

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

What species are you, my joshthefirst?

Joshthefirst: Most skeptics will claim that the bible cordones and supported slavery. But they fail to realize that the bible gave rules on how to treat slaves such as the one above, and these in the new testament:

Deep Sight:

Why the different rules then regarding foreigners.

Joshthefirst: in those days, foreigners were not part of the covenant(agreement) with God. Thank the lord we're now allowed into Gods family now.

Mr Troll: honestly man, do you not realize how silly your god is? do you sincerely not see that your so called creator of all things and all people is an epitome of bigotry and tribalism?

Joshthefirst:
I'm certainly a different species from you who claims a bonobo is your cousin.



Go back and read my post again nwokem. They didn't commit much racism in those days, God didn't allow them to treat slaves like scum, like most people do now.

Logicboy03: It seems Joshthefirst is gunning for an award


-highest number of foolish posts per username.


gaddem

doubleDx:


Learn to be polite man, you insult people here and there just because of religion...it's not good for a grown up and educated man like you! Nawa oh, ajebo na hin dey cause this one? Wake up man na 2013 we dey !

Joshthefirst: Plaetton should show me where joshua speared an israelite for marrying a jebusite or forever be ashamed of himself.

Joshthefirst: do not be quick to type sir. You are embarrassing yourself. I'm not embarrassing you.



The israelites were not allowed by God to mix up with other nations because of their tendency to adopt foreign idols and forsake the God who chose them. It didn't mean God viewed them as superior. God wanted to wipe them out completely several times because of sin.

plaetton:

I will be more than happy to show you.
But, what will you concede if I do show you?
Will you concede of ignorance, or would you concede that Yahweh encouraged not only racism but cold blooded murder?

The reason I ask is that as soon as I show you the passage, you will immediately try to rationalize or justify it.

Even if it happened, it wasn't because of racism.
There are commands God gave the israelites to care for foreigners in their midst. Smh
Racism:
n.
1 a a belief in the superiority of a particular race; prejudice based on this. b antagonism towards other races, esp. as a result of this.
2 the theory that human abilities etc. are determined by race. racist

The israelites were not allowed by God to mix up with other nations because of their tendency to adopt foreign idols and forsake the God who chose them. It didn't mean God viewed them as superior. God wanted to wipe them out completely several times because of sin.

mazaje:

Will will your god want to kill his children and chosen people because of sin, is he a monster?. . .Will you kill your kids if they disobey you?. . .Remember your god also instructed the ancient jews to kill their disobedient kids. . .Your god is more of a monsters than a loving being. . .If these passages were written in the koran , I know you will be here telling us how bad and evil Allah is , but since it is written in your own bubble of delusion you are here trying to defend baseless and barbaric mythical tales. . .

joshthefirst: Hell is very real.
God is not interested in sending anyone to hell. God is interested in saving people from hell. God's mission is to save the world from sin and condemnation.
I've given this example before:

Suppose you have a son, your much loved son. Who is a rebellious and fool-hardy son. You sure do love him, but everything he does is about challenging your authority and rebelling against you, under your own roof and rule. Even WHEN this son grows up and knows better, he still uses every oppourtunity to break your own rules, speak against you, disobey you and ignore you every chance he gets.
Be honest. It will be wise and just to put that son away, to throw him out of your house. Although you love your son. It will be just to kick your son out(say he's 30 years old). This is because he has made himself your enemy

This is how it is with God. He's not just our loving father, he's our creator. And he's our JUDGE
When we rebel, his holiness and righteousness as a just judge will be to condemn you in death and cast into hell. That's the hard truth and reality. For the wages of sin is death you see.

But God is a loving God, because inspite of our sins and rebellion, he sent his son to make a way and free us from guilt and condemnation. Inspite of your rebellion as a sinner, (think of all your sins all these years), and the fact that you're guilty, he still loved you and sent his son to die even while you were already guilty. This is why God is merciful and just. People on nl even rebel against God and curse him everyday. Everyday we fornicate and steal and use God's name as a swear word and lie. We are guilty before God. That is the message. God in his mercy made a way of salvation so we can be acquitted and granted freedom from sin, but still people misinterpret that and say God is unjust(how can you say that?!)

You see, sin damns to hell. God is holy.
For the wages of sin is death
But he is loving and merciful and loving
But the free-gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord


Accept jesus today! Escape the wrath to come!

Edit: what people do today, is try to water down their sins before a just and holy God and that won't work. The whole world wallows in sin and lawlessness today. The world stands guilty before God. Grab the salvation and anchor of our lord Jesus Christ. He can save you from wrath. Stop the sin. Stop taking pleasure in it and look to Jesus and start to live a holy life before God.
Stop giving stjupid and shallow excuses before God. Hell is real. Why die for your sins when there is salvation?

Escape the wrath to come!!!!!!

Deep Sight:

Why the different rules then regarding foreigners.

loveroftruth:

You must be myopic or blind this time.
Maybe that shortsightedness is why you are still a deist.

Were you bind to the part of the Bible where the same Yahweh said the sons of Abraham would be in slavery in a foreign land(Egypt) for about 400yrs ? Why did you not complain about that ^ ?

What you should add to your knowlege of Yahweh is that there is "no injustice with him".

Do you think he sees buying labour or hiring labour aka slave the way you do ?

Yahweh is not a human you know !

Slavery can be a survival technic both ways you know ? In an imperfect system i mean.

When the perfect system comes, all will enjoy, slavery was already in voke befor the nation of israel was formed. So, blame the 'ruler' of this current system and not Yahweh.

Open your eyes!

*sorry if i sounded personal*

loveroftruth:

You must be myopic or blind this time.
Maybe that shortsightedness is why you are still a deist.

Were you blind to the part of the Bible where the same Yahweh said the sons of Abraham would be in slavery in a foreign land(Egypt) for about 400yrs ? Why did you not complain about that ^ ?

What you should add to your knowlege of Yahweh is that there is "no injustice with him".

Do you think he sees buying labour or hiring labour aka slave the way you do ?

Yahweh is not a human you know !

'Slave' thing can be a survival technique both ways you know ? Like the one in question, In an imperfect system i mean.

When the perfect system comes, all will enjoy, slavery was already in voke befor the nation of israel was formed. So, blame the 'ruler' of this current system and not Yahweh.

Open your eyes!

*sorry if i sounded personal