deols: @AbdH,

About the pic you posted about the prophet cursing people who deal with alcohol. Can you confirm whether that hadith is about the beverage or dealing with alcohol in all forms?

Because, for example, the spirit used in cleaning wound is alcohol. A more concentrated one for that matter. Would having a company that deals in its production or helping people clean their wounds or having your wounds cleaned with it be haram?

I think the hadith is about the beverage.

AbdH:

Alcoholic beverages of course, it is clearly stated in the image. Even foods that contain alcohol are forbidden. Alcohol can be used on wounds though...but the ingestion is a no no.

Logicbwoy:


Why are you asking the question now? Eh? After I asked it? You didnt see the problem with the pic until an atheist raised it?
And before you say that I'm derailing.....I doubt that the Prophet made such a wide curse on all use of alcohol (my opinion). So I agree with you on this issue....sha waiting for ABDH's response

deols:

Well, I wanted it clarified, anyway.

Rilwayne001:


Was is stated lik dat in the Quran?

The Verse Please?

Rilwayne001:
I believe in d quran..i dnt rely much on the hadith

Trustworthiness:


Are you a muslim at all? You believe in the Quran and not the Hadiths. I see why you are trying to justify the use of alcohol. The prophet have said in an hadith that Allah Has not put our cure in something that is haram. For every medicine that are cures that Allah Has provided for us that will not involve the use of anything haram.


Go and learn more about prophetic medicines. I used and i am still using it to cure a lot of things. I have used it to help people looking for pregnancy and now they happy mothers today.

The hadiths is as important as the Quran in the life of a true muslim. It is only that we consult the Quran first and then the hadith for further explanation of the intent of the sayings of Allah in the Quran.

So, @op, you can not call yourself a muslim while you neglect the sayings, teachings and actions of the prophet (SAW), that is the hadiths.

babylolaroy:

if yu are a muslim, your belief of Quran is thus useless if yu dnt believe in ahadith

AlBaqir:
Bro. Rilwayne001, don't tell me you've being Quranized like the username of this world. Ahadith [authentic saying of the Prophet] is as important as the Quran. They are inseparable. However to know true hadith from false hadith irrespective of scholar's grading on them, that hadith should NEVER contradict Quran. Quran, being al-Furqan (The criterion) is described as "...tibyana likulli shayh - clarifier of all things". Please put this into perspective brother. Salam.

Yeah! Thanks bro..

Rilwayne001:
It isnt that i dnt belive in tha hadith at all, but i dont rely much on em, cuz i find it very difficult in choosin d sunni hadith nd that of shia...

AlBaqir:
Bro. Rilwayne001, don't tell me you've being Quranized like the username of this world. Ahadith [authentic saying of the Prophet] is as important as the Quran. They are inseparable. However to know true hadith from false hadith irrespective of scholar's grading on them, that hadith should NEVER contradict Quran. Quran, being al-Furqan (The criterion) is described as "...tibyana likulli shayh - clarifier of all things". Please put this into perspective brother. Salam.

AlBaqir:
# First, ANYTHING that intoxicate is Haram in Islam, and a sahih hadith says even in a small quantity. tbaba1234 and vedaxcool have posted sufficient ahadith to this effect. Today, 95% of oral liquid drugs contain Ethanol in small quantity. This makes them Haram. We have alternative in the remaining 5%.

However, when we talk about "alcohol", it is a general/parent name for many product of R-OH group. This group is divided into: 1. Primary alcohol, 2. Secondary alcohol and 3. Tertiary alcohol.

It is the first group (primary alcohol) that are known to be very reactive - intoxicant, because of the presence of a single OH.

# The secondary/Tertiary alcohol e.g Glycerine/Glycerol, propylene glycol, Sorbitol, etc are non-intoxicant product due to their increase number of -OH. These make them Halal. These products are commonly used in creams, soaps, drugs etc.

The very reactive primary alcohol e.g Methanol, Ethanol etc are HARAM for consumption either in small or large quantity. But Sharia allows them to be used in other than consumption e.g sterilization, extraction etc.

# In Islamic Sharia, some things that are Haram by nature can be "purified/modified" to become Halal. For example, Ethanol can be used to extract alkaloid [therapeutic chemical substances] from the bark of a tree [usually for medicine]. If this solution is boiled above 80 degree centigrade, it is sure Ethanol will evaporate since its boiling point is around 78degree centigrade. If perceived, and the smell of intoxicating Ethanol is off, the remain residue/liquid is Halal.

# Some solid drugs [tablets] usually contain small percentage of ethanol during the process of granulation [powder mixture] but virtually all the ethanol evaporates during the process of heat-drying. This make these products [tablet] halal.

# Perfumes also contain various primary alcohol [intoxicating type], but since its not consumed and its easily evaporated once used, there is no harm. But to avoid Ethanolic type of perfume is better [Ihthiyat wajib].

Allah knows best.

Rilwayne001:


Was is stated lik dat in the Quran?

The Verse Please?

tunshe:


Is this AlBaqir or hacked profile?

Rilwayne001, do you still hold this view?

Deols, I am glad to see you back to nairaland.

In conclusion;
Alcohol consumption(ingestion ) is haram,the 10 groups of people described in the picture by ABDH are cursed and the uses of alcohol as stated by AlBaqir are allowed.

Wa Lahu Alam!

abduldope:
wt if i cant sleep and i use somthing lyk codiene to help me sleep NOTE: i only use it wen i cant sleep. meaning only at nyt hrs wch wen i wake 4 subhi prayers it wld have clear of ma head and leving me with no intocxication feeling ??

Rilwayne001:
I believe in d quran..i dnt rely much on the hadith

Rilwayne001:
Background: Some think that in Islam and The Quran
the substance alcohol is forbidden completely in all
forms, no matter the application or form.


Intoxicants are to be avoided according to The Quran:
O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and
sacraments, and games of chance are foul tools used by
the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be
successful. [5:90]

For example, the substance alcohol does have useful
properties (e.g. it is used in medicine, food production)
and can be used for these purposes:
They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say: In
both of them there is a great harm and some profit/
benefits for men, but their harm is greater than their
profit/benefits... [2:219]

From the fruits of the palm trees and the grapes you
make wine as well as a good provision. In that is a sign
for a people who reason. [16:67]

Thus, the substance alcohol is not banned, but it is
intoxication that is to be avoided. Interestingly, the
above verse provides a powerful message to reflect on,
i.e. we can use something in a positive way or in a
negative way, which one will we choose?

Jaydee009:
In other words, drink but don't get drunk.

Meanwhile all Muslims have tasted alcohol because it is used to prepare blood tonic, cough syrup, many medicines, cakes and some fries (used as preservatives).

Say hello to the good side of alcohol...

Salam.