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Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 12:12pm On Oct 10, 2008
Hey Shawn,


No probs.  Just make good use of it.




kiwi992.
Re: About Sap? by BoyTan: 11:11pm On Oct 18, 2008
Wat an excellent and luvly page this is, am amazed at the wealth of information.

Kiwi99, Jjay1 you guys are excellent.


but then my concern is this, SAP being proprietary software is that not a limitation, i mean in the IT world regardless of what you study EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCE counts.

wld downloading or buying a software and materials and reading offer one the needed experience, and wld potential sponsors listen to that?

What i am yet to hear from this site which i have not heard is this, are the jobs readily available? Or after training u have to now look for experience and then get d jobs.

i wld advocate an institution that offers training and possibility of appointment for a period of time to get the necessary experience because we Nigerian have to compete with everybody in a world where we are already stand disadvantage, information is our only savior and that is the very right information.

Believe me brothers it is not easy at all, like someone on dis page said, we have to use our hard earned, saved and family contributed money, we definitely have to put it where it counts oh.

I don't know if i am speaking for the rest of us, but please furnish us with academies where we can get trained with probability of getting an job (attachment if u call it).

I got this site while browsing "http://www.browline.com/sap-training.htm" can anyone in the UK pls pls help a broda confirm this.

Thank you and i keep an open ear to comments and criticisms.

BoyTan

NB:Thanks Kiwi i got the sites and the information therein
Re: About Sap? by SumGuy: 8:40pm On Oct 19, 2008
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Guys i think this is a new twist to this discussion oh, i tink think dis BoyTan guy makes some sense.

Oga Kiwi was your take on dis, doesnt expereince counts after we get certified, how do we get jobs cos most of dem really ask for expereince.

BoyTan beware i think this site is one of the cowboy trainers Oga Kiwi was talking about!

By the way wats the cost and why dont you find a similar thing in Nigeria or even India
Re: About Sap? by BoyTan: 9:54pm On Oct 19, 2008
to buttress my concern fellow nigerians pls read this:

http://sap.blogs.techtarget.com/2008/06/04/saps-new-certification-strategy/

http://www.jonerp.com/component/option,com_mojo/Itemid,57/p,42/

http://sap.blogs.techtarget.com/2008/03/28/sap-certification-not-worth-much/

a final question,

IS SAP REALLY WORTH IT

sumone, anyone, pls answer
Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 12:35pm On Oct 21, 2008
Hi All,



I don't think you should worry about getting a job in SAP until you've passed the Consultancy exams.  Why put a stumbling block in front of you?  Why not worry about the jobs later?  You've already got a job now, haven't you?

As with every job out there, you'll have to approach the specialist recruitment agencies in Nigeria such as Accenture and similar.  Look on the Internet for SAP jobs in Nigeria.  The jobs are there.  Just pass the Consultancy exams first.  You will get SAP jobs, not just in Nigeria but in the African continent.  SAP has got offices in a lot of African countries, I understand.

If the jobs aren't there, why is it that you have these foreigners going to Nigeria to work as SAP Consultants?  Surely, they did get those Nigerian jobs somewhere, didn't they?  Just search for SAP jobs on Google and you will find them.  Remember, as a Nigerian, you would be the first person to be considered as long as you've passed the Consultancy exams or indeed, have got several implementations under your belt.

As regards the issue of experience, if you follow the training methodology that I advocate - i.e. using the IDES ECC 6.0 for your training, you WILL obtain the hands-on experience, just like they do at the SAP Academies world-wide.  This would give you the experience to get started as a Junior SAP Consultant, SAP Trainer, or similar.  Trust me - this is how everybody who went through the Academy course (or indeed, anyone who trained at home to pass the Consultancy exams) got started. 

The idea behind the Academy course is simply to train you to obtain the necessary hands-on experience of using ths SAP R/3, hence the need to use the IDES ECC 6.0.

The ECC 6.0 is exactly the same product as the real SAP R/3 that costs millions of pounds.  The only difference being that ECC 6.0 is populated with live data inorder to facilitate training.

When you go out to work as a Junior SAP Consultant, you would be using exactly the same product on which you trained to pass the Consultancy exams.  You've already got the experience of using it so what could possibly be the problem?  You've got the hands-on experience, though not spanning many years as would be expected of a Senior SAP Consultant.  The only difference this time (at work) is that the data is not populated.  You and other members of the team would have to populate the SAP R/3 System with actual data that's relevant to the organisation.  No big deal, if you ask me.

Personally, I can not see any problem with experience as long as you used the IDES ECC 6.0 to train to qualify.  This is why I insist that you should take your time to train over a period of at least nine months inorder to be au fait at using the product, hence build up experience (and confidence).

The other points raised have all been covered in my previous posts so, there's no need for me to repeat myself.

If anyone here thinks that SAP Consultancy certification is not worth it, then I would ask the one to take a look at how much SAP Consultants are being paid all over the world.  SAP is definitely not like your typical MCSE, CCIE, ACCA, ICAN, MBBS, PhD or whatever.  It beats all of them by a mile.  Take it from me.  In its heyday in the UK (1995 - 2000), Senior SAP Consultants were earning anything up to £3,000 per day.  Yes, per day.  This, in addition to globe-trotting.  Now you go figure.

Please don't get scared or indeed, worried, before you even got started.  Start the training using IDES ECC 6.0.  Just do it now and pass the Consultancy exams.  I'm sure that you would all come here to thank me immensely for changing your lives for the best.





kiwi992.

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Re: About Sap? by Briz(m): 12:58pm On Oct 22, 2008
Yea,
this forum has rili made much impact in d Nigerian system but won't mature anytime soon. But sure it will ( d koko )

I've been doin read-only coz d admin banned me 4rm postin messages about a year ago, but seein the calibre of pips in here, i had to alert him to free me 4rm da ban.

I would like to know which module is closely related to SAP. I just graduated wiv Computer Science 4rm Babcock Uni. this year and am Oracle Certified (OCA).

am serving in ExpertEdge and i sm making use of Finacle Treasury but i would like to diversify to use a module of SAP after my service year.

Which module is closer in function to Finacle Treasury.
Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 10:19am On Oct 23, 2008
Hi,



You should only train into a module in SAP that fits in well with your academic or professional background. 

As an OCP, you would be okay with BASIS.  Please refer to my other posts about how Oracle is one of those databases that runs at the back-end of SAP, amongst others.  However, BASIS is about the implementation of the SAP R/3 software and its administration.

SAP also has the Treasury module.  However, you'll need to come from an accountancy background to delve into that.  In professional accountancy, you study the subject 'Financial Management'.  This is akin to the Treasury module in SAP, albeit with a technical aspect to it, in that you would need to configure it in the R/3 system.

That said, you did say that you are currently using the Treasury module in your place of work.  Please remember that there's a big difference between a 'User' and a 'Consultant'.  Unless you feel confident that you can successfully train into that module, I would personally avoid it, for the simple reason that you do not come from an accountancy background.  An MBA in Finance can definitely train into that module without any problem whatsoever.

All the best.




kiwi992.
Re: About Sap? by Briz(m): 12:09pm On Oct 23, 2008
Thanx mr. kiwi

i also have a feeling from what i have read that B.A.S.I.S would make more sense to my line. I guess that will do. I will just work in that line.

Is that the only module best related to the Database Adminitration function.
Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 1:55pm On Oct 23, 2008
Hi Briz,


Yes, I'm afraid so - BASIS it is, with your background.  Please note that BASIS is now called Enterprise Portal.

Do remember that the administration of the database that runs at the back-end of the R/3 System such as SAPDB, SQL, Oracle or DB2 is only a tiny fraction of the work involved in BASIS.  The implementation and administration of the R/3 System is what you would mostly be required to do.

Please refer to page one of this thread and the posting by A-40, just below mine.




kiwi992.
Re: About Sap? by sedeagu(m): 7:17pm On Nov 04, 2008
Hi kiwi992,

I've read all your posts on starting a career in SAP.

I have working experience in the Telecommunications industry and have also worked with relational databases (Oracle and Sybase). I'm interested in pursuing a career in SAP.

I would like to know if starting out with SAP Netweaver and combining it with the SAP Supply Chain Management (SCM) solution would be relevant to my experience in Telecommunications.

Regards,
sedeagu
Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 4:07pm On Nov 07, 2008
Hi,


Sorry about the late response.  I haven't been here for a while.

Actually, there is an industry solution for telecommunications by SAP.  It's called SAP for Telecommunications.  Maybe you ought to look into that module more than anything else, in view of your background. 

SAP NetWeaver is about programming the SAP R/3 software to meet an organisation's specific needs.  In order to pursue this module, you'll need to come from a programming background.  It used to be called ABAP.

SCM would suit someone from a business background.

As I've always maintained, it's always best to pursue the SAP module that best matches your academic or professional background.

Hope this helps.



kiwi992.
Re: About Sap? by sedeagu(m): 4:21pm On Nov 07, 2008
Hi,

Thanks a lot for the reply.

I did take a look at SAP for Telecommunications Industry Solution. However it seems SAP doesn't have a certification for that industry. From what I've read, the business processes for the Telecoms Industry Solution are tied to SAP ERP, SAP CRM and SAP SRM.

Actually I meant to say (or write) SAP Enterprise Portal (formerly BASIS) not NetWeaver since I'm not coming from a programming background.

I look forward to your comments.

sedeagu
Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 5:00pm On Nov 09, 2008
Hi,


Coming from a relational database background, I can say that SAP Enterprise Portal would suit you just fine.

That said, please remember all what I've said in my previous postings about databases and the SAP R/3 software. 

Good luck to you.



kiwi992.
Re: About Sap? by mowaa: 6:54pm On Nov 12, 2008
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Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 11:23am On Nov 14, 2008
Hi,


First of all, I think you should have come here to clarify matters before going ahead to acquire the user training material or indeed, embarking on your training.  Still, knowledge is knowledge and it's not a wasted effort, even though mis-directed.

A User in SAP is simply a person who uses the SAP R/3 software as part of his or her daily work routine.  An example being a Credit Controller, Accounts Clerk or Wages Clerk.  These people haven't got any specialist knowledge of the SAP R/3 software, other than using it on a day to day basis to fulfill their role in the organisation.  They are, in most cases, trained by the Super User.

The Super User is one who has got a solid hands-on experience of using the SAP R/3 System in the workplace, over a period of years.  The one is still a user, nevertheless.  He or she is usually trained by the Consultant before go-live and through the experience of using the R/3 System over time, the one usually becomes a Super User.  The one is certainly not a Consultant, hence does not customise or configure the R/3 System.  They do, however, tend to train to become Consultants in view of their experience. 

The SAP R/3 Consultant is one who is highly skilled and knowledgeable in either a technical or functional module of the SAP R/3 System.  The one has, in most cases, had several implementations of the the R/3 System under the one's belt, say six or more.  On the other hand, one could become a Consultant by training for, and passing the SAP R/3 Consultancy certification exams in either a technical or functional module.  The one's key duties include the customisation and configuration of the R/3 System as well as user training just before go-live.  In most cases, these Consultants move on to other SAP projects around the world and indeed, command very high salaries in view of their rare skills and experience. 

Regarding the issue of job prospects for SAP User, there certainly are good job prospects out there for you, if you can show that you've got real-life experience in using a module of the SAP R/3 System.  All you need to do is to indicate that in your CV but you must please ensure that you truly have the experience of using the R/3 System in your daily work.

Hope this answers your questions.




kiwi992.
Re: About Sap? by sedeagu(m): 9:21pm On Nov 14, 2008
Hi kiwi992,

Thanks for the advice.

sedeagu
Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 12:03pm On Nov 15, 2008
Hi,


Cool.  You are most welcome.

I just hope that you guys are taking this certification most seriously because it's worth every sweat and tear that you shed.  It really is. 

I go out of my way to help fellow-Nigerians in this thread because I know how good the SAP Consultancy certification is.  I really wouldn't want all those greedy Westerners going to Nigeria to do you guys out of a lucrative job.



kiwi992.

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Re: About Sap? by markos: 12:51pm On Nov 21, 2008
I have been working with SAP for 10 years, used all versions from 3.1 to ECC5 and 6, right now i work with SDMM for one of the top 3 mobile communications network in the world, any questions you need to ask, feel free, i have access to loads of training materials

i have been contracting now since 2004, been quite difficult must say, but the rewards have been very immense to say the least, my job has taken me round Europe, China

getting to where i am now has not bene easy, it takes serious dedication and hard work if you ask me, i have also used the FICO, SRM, bit of HR, travel management modules and have done a few implementations in the UK, there are several SAP courses in the Uk that dont cost that much, like time i checked, it was 2000 for 8 weekends

wandering myself why many Nigerians dont look into this angle of employment, i know its hard to break in, in fact very hard, training courses by SAP are over 10-15K pounds

well i have managed so far to get a few friends working with SAP but must point out, you need a business background to work with modules like FICO SDMM HR SRM
Re: About Sap? by markos: 12:41pm On Nov 24, 2008
any questions about SAP, pls feel free to ask, i have access to loads of training material online as well
Re: About Sap? by sedeagu(m): 1:02pm On Nov 24, 2008
Hi markos,

I read your post and I think there's no harm in seeking a second opinion.

I have working experience in the Telecommunications industry and have also worked with relational databases (Oracle and Sybase). I'm interested in pursuing a career in SAP.

I would like to know if starting out with SAP Enterprise Portal and combining it with the SAP Supply Chain Management (SCM) solution would be a good start.

What do you advise?

Also would you be so kind as to provide me with any training materials you may have.

Regards,
sedeagu
Re: About Sap? by markos: 1:10pm On Nov 24, 2008
Hi markos,

I read your post and I think there's no harm in seeking a second opinion.

I have working experience in the Telecommunications industry and have also worked with relational databases (Oracle and Sybase). I'm interested in pursuing a career in SAP.

I would like to know if starting out with SAP Enterprise Portal and combining it with the SAP Supply Chain Management (SCM) solution would be a good start.

What do you advise?

Also would you be so kind as to provide me with any training materials you may have.

Regards,
sedeagu

all depends on your background, have you got a business background?? its very good to choose a module in SAP and try and become an expert with it rather than trying your hands with portal and SCM, maybe both have similar attributes

have a look at this website, you can get so much information including the right modules to choose from http://www.sapdb.info/

let me know if you have further questions
Re: About Sap? by sedeagu(m): 1:16pm On Nov 24, 2008
What would you consider to be a business background?

Also do you know the most frequently used SAP modules in the Telecommunications and Oil & Gas industries?
Re: About Sap? by markos: 1:48pm On Nov 24, 2008
most used modules in the oil industry are SAP for oil & gas, sort of tailored solution for that field, also telecoms industry use a lot of SDMM( sales and distribution, materials master) also FI and CO, all depends though, most i work with one of the top players in mobile communications, we use a lot of SD, not much MM, because we do not manufacture our phones
Re: About Sap? by JJay1(m): 4:32pm On Nov 26, 2008
kiwi992:

Hi,


Cool. You are most welcome.

I just hope that you guys are taking this certification most seriously because it's worth every sweat and tear that you shed. It really is.

I go out of my way to help fellow-Nigerians in this thread because I know how good the SAP Consultancy certification is. I really wouldn't want all those greedy Westerners going to Nigeria to do you guys out of a lucrative job.



kiwi992.


Just to butress what kiwi992 has mentioned here, certification in your chosen module is very very key. Here in the UK, the SAP resource market (agents) are fully aware of the cowboys in the industry and mentioning that you are certified allays some of the negative perceptions, especially with a non-english name or accent.

For those seeking the SAP Academy training as mentioned in previous posts, please NEVER settle for all those website mentioned as most of the trainers there hardly know their left from right. Theres a popular one in Wembley area of London where they teach them rubbish and it saddens me that more than 95% of students there are Nigerians. How can we let some Indians be smarter than us. I have had course to interview the FICO trainer in that center for roles twice in the last 3 years and the guys has not passed the interviews. How do you expect some half trained "consultant" deliver excellent training.

Guys, please explore www.sap.com/education and you will see all the SAP certified training centres and approved partners all over the world.

SAP involves a lot of hardwork which is highly rewarded, but please you cannot underestimate the hardwork that goes along with it.
Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 10:19am On Nov 27, 2008
Hi JJ,



Many thanks for re-inforcing my views.

I honestly hope that our people would heed this advice and take the right steps in training to get certified.  Certification is key because it sets one apart from the others.

Nigerians are known to be very smart people and I'm totally convinced that they would pass the SAP certification exams with flying colours IF they train properly.

As you said, there are too many cowboys out there who pretend to know something about SAP and they don't know a thing.  I wish our people would come to this Forum and become wiser.



kiwi992.
Re: About Sap? by markos: 12:19pm On Nov 27, 2008
HI all

well i have worked with SAP for 10 years, i am not certified yet, whiles certification is nice to get, it does not guarantee you a job these days, believe i know that much, prospective SAP employers will take experience over certification any day, back in the 90s, certification was the ''in-thing'' consultants earned an arm and a leg as someone pointed out, when the SAP market for consultants entered a difficult phase in the late 90s, early 2000s, rates went down, only the experienced with multiple implementations stayed on to top with regards to earnings

I can remember when i became an independent contractor in 2004 ( having worked 5 years in an in-house SAP group) i did not have a lot of Config experience, that really affected my chances, then i got a luck break, i have been working in my 5th contract now and its been quite long ( over 2 years) in Sweden, I do a lot of Configuration but its not rocket science, whats important is you tailor your config skills towards your clients business process and apply it

Thats clearly where SAP is heading to, business process expert, these days, most SAP packages come pre-configured, so basically not a great deal of config is required, only difference is if the client are implementing an in-house solution different from standard SAP

Config skills are still essential but ERP is moving in a different direction, so far, i have been lucky in my SAP career, i have worked for the top players in all industries, it takes a lot of hard work and dedication as someone pointed out

For entry level SAP consultants, the certification is probably essential as these days, its so hard to break into the SAP market, sort of a closed society, but once you get in, the rewards are very great

I have worked with FI CO SD MM HR ( travel management ) a bit of SRM ( EBP) these days, my strong modules are SD MM but you always stand out from the rest if you understand the integration points between SD MM FI and CO and HR

go check www.erpgenie.com thats one of the popular SAP websites out there
Re: About Sap? by nwamo: 12:42pm On Nov 27, 2008
@ Kiwi992
I know this post is old. my company just installed SAP on some PCs of the executives. I enabled access to the servers during installation so i have the software. My field is Electrical/Electronics and i'm a network support engineer in my firm. Is Sap really of relevance to me. frnds have bin talkin bout it a lot, and since i have the software, where do i begin?
Re: About Sap? by Briz(m): 1:31pm On Nov 27, 2008
I would like you to direct me to how i can get ECC simulation materials to study and practice wiv before i write the SAP certification exams.

We cud all share from these. av checked websites av bin directed to, but all i get there is documentations. cud som1 in here assists.

simulation for SAP BASIS inclusive. thanx
Re: About Sap? by markos: 2:53pm On Nov 27, 2008
To the last threads, if your background is more server based, network, then i think SAP basis will be a good headstart

Training simulations for SAP online?? you will be lucky to get the odd old training materials, SAP materials cost a fortune, a good simulation module online will knock you back at least 1000-3000 pounds, if its an official SAP simulation guide, then you probably talking higher figures
Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 2:59pm On Nov 27, 2008
Hi Markos,


Good to hear your response on the subject, especially, about the need to qualify as an SAP Certified Consultant and the all-important experience in SAP.  

You said:

well i have worked with SAP for 10 years, i am not certified yet, whiles certification is nice to get, it does not guarantee you a job these days, believe i know that much, prospective SAP employers will take experience over certification any day, back in the 90s, certification was the ''in-thing'' consultants earned an arm and a leg as someone pointed out, when the SAP market for consultants entered a difficult phase in the late 90s, early 2000s, rates went down, only the experienced with multiple implementations stayed on to top with regards to earnings

Considering the experience that you have got in SAP, you definitely do NOT need to get certified.  More so because you've got several implementations under your belt.

Yes, agreed, employers would prefer experience over certification.  It really goes without saying that experience counts the most in SAP and that in this day and age, only the highly experienced SAP Consultants get the most lucrative contracts.

However, I strongly believe that the only way that a newbie is to get hired in SAP is simply to get the certification.  Indeed, you do agree with me on this point when you said:

For entry level SAP consultants, the certification is probably essential as these days, its so hard to break into the SAP market, sort of a closed society, but once you get in, the rewards are very great

Without certification, I can not see how a newbie could get the chance of breaking into the SAP market if the one hasn't got the experience that you've amassed over the years.  As you know, SAP has matured in the West but certainly not in Nigeria, let alone in other African countries, except perhaps, South Africa.

In those days, merely being able to spell the word 'SAP' literally gets you a contract. However, those days are gone and so employers have become very choosy by going for the experienced Consultants.  Then again, there are always openings for Junior SAP Consultants, as long as the one is certified.  

As Nigerians, we MUST always encourage our people to break into those markets which we find lucrative because we can not do everything by ourselves.  Neither must we allow Westerners take those jobs from them.  If our people can not get their feet in the doorway for lack of experience, (or for whatever reason - e.g. discrimination in the West) then of course, we must encourage them to get proper training inorder to get certified so as to get the chance of breaking into that market, at least in our country, if they can not make it in the West, which I'm most certain that they would, once certified.  

I have always advocated the use of the IDES ECC 6.0 for the one's private training in addition to using the official SAP Academy training matrial.

On the other hand, the one could attend the official SAP Academy as long as the one feels that the 25-day training would suit the one.  In doing so, the one avails the one's self of the official training material, in addition to using the ECC 6.0 for the all-important hands-on training in a real-life SAP environment (as well as the opportunity to network with others in SAP), followed by the case study and certification exams at the end of the training.

Personally, that training route wouldn't suit me, going by my experiences in India, many years ago.  However, people are different and might just find the SAP Academy training most useful.  Personally, I prefer the self-teaching method over a longer period of time inorder to become proficient at the using product and thus become confident in the workplace.  This is all because I had a very bad experience, many years ago, when I attended NIIT in India for the MCSE. I went there with nothing in my head and indeed, came back with nothing in my head, due to the short training period.  In the end, I had to start all over again by setting up a network at home inorder to train myself.      

I would like to mention that one learns a lot through rigorous training and certification.  Be it customising a specific module or configuring the IMG - you learn SAP at the deepest level as opposed to learning it on the job as you go along.  More so, if you implement it by yourself.

SAP R/3 costs around £15 - £20 million. Why entrust it to someone who claims to know the product when the one does not know anything about it, except at a superficial level and perhaps as a User that just enters data into a specific module.  I certainly learnt a lot from implementing the R/3 System on my purpose-built computer whilst preparing for the certification exams.  I didn't just learn about FI/CO but SAP Project Management, BASIS, as well as Oracle database administration in one fell swoop simply because I implemented the SAP R/3 4.6C IDES on my single-tier landscape.  Now, this is NOT what a lot of functional Consultants know how to do.       

May I also mention that a lot of the so-called SAP trainers are absolute rubbish and I wouldn't go near them with a barge pole, that's for sure.  Some even claim to offer video training - what a sick joke for a product like SAP R/3 which costs millions of pounds.  It's all about having a deep knowledge of the product and most of the so-called trainers haven't got it, neither have they got any project implemntation exprience that can be verified.

It's either the self-training route following the training methodology that I advocate or attendance at an official SAP Academy is what's best.  Just forget about the cowboy trainers.  Forget them and take no notice of how much fees they charge because you simply would be wasting your time and money and would never ever, pass those demanding Consultancy Certification exams.  I just feel sorry for our brothers and sisters that are wasting their hard-earned cash with those so-called trainers.  

Finally, I'd like to add that I hope, the expression of one's opinion is not deemed by you to be an indirect attack on your person or indeed, a criticism of your views or competence. We are, afterall, here to help our fellow-Nigerians to embrace this highly worthwhile certification through a rigorous process of training and certification because this is the shortest route to being employed as an SAP Junior Consultant.  That's for sure.

I just wish that our people would soon realise it because SAP is going to be big in Nigeria and the sooner they commenced the official training, the better it would be for them.



kiwi992.

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Re: About Sap? by JJay1(m): 3:05pm On Nov 27, 2008
markos, with due respect. Can I please reiterate that the importance of certification in today's SAP market cannot be over-emphasised.

You mentioned that you have 10 years experience and not certified, fine but you will agree with me that the market you entered 10 years ago is completely different from what we have today especially in contracting world. Most clients are so aware cowboys in the industry and ensuring that the consultant they want to contract is certfied is considered a step towards recuiting the right consultant, also many of the recruitment agency tend to prioritise selection for a role with certification status.

I do agree with you that experience is most key in the world of SAP but it is noteworthy of mention that the experience will definitely come with time but certification isnt (you don't get certified because you have 50 years experience). Imagine a situation where a role has to be filled with a SAP resource of 10 years experience and 2 consultants both with solid 10 years experience each apply for that same role - one cerified and the other non-certified (plus bearing some Ijebu-Oyo-Igbo-Itsekiri surname-Oluwafunminiwosan Agbongboakala/Ikechukwu Aondoaakaa Agbakara against some John Smith, Mike Cole etc) The name alone will make the ill-informed recruiter (who probabbly didnt pass through secondary school) throw away your cv. So I believe specifying your certification on your cv aids employabiity in so many ways.

I have spent the last 10 years as a SAP FICO PS TR INV MGT Consultant, the last 8 as a contractor and presently on my 16th contract (all with Fortune100 companies)and theres no doubt that my certification has given me competitive advantage over other applicants on so many occassions. I also know for a fact that a number of the big  SAP Implementation Partners (at least in the UK) - Accenture/IBM/Axon/Atos etc - are increasingly insisting on certification for their consultants and potential recruits.

Can I also mention that I, from time to time, get called by my previousl clients to help them interview applicants and I know cerification has been the basis of choosing some consultants over the others- don't get me wrong experience is also the main driver and basis but the recent trend is that many well-experienced (both certified and non-certified) consultants gun for same roles.

Certification gives you eternal access to OSS/SAP Support Portal without having to use a company/client OSS access and that way you can continously update yourself.

There is a big difference between an Accountant and a Chartered Accountant!!!

I would advise that for my naija folks, its always better to be certified in whatever we do, be it Accounting, Engineering, Medicine and even SAP

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Re: About Sap? by kiwi992(m): 4:15pm On Nov 27, 2008
Hi Nwamo,


First of all, I think you are lucky to have access to SAP R/3 in your workplace.

You said that you've got access to the 'software' but you didn't specifically mention as to whether you've got access to the ECC.6 training system as well, as opposed to the live SAP R/3 System. 

I take it that you meant the SAP R/3 System.  If that's the case, you must please NOT use the live R/3 System at work to train.  You don't want to mess up the system because it costs far, far too much money.  It is not to be played with, if you see what I mean.

If you have access to the ECC 6.0, then of course you can use that to train inorder to sit for, and pass the certification exams in BASIS, PM or RFID, in view of your background (which is similar to mine in some respects), in that I'm also a Systems Engineer, in addition to coming from an Accountancy background.

I'll say train into BASIS because being the Support Engineer, that job should naturally fall on your lap at your place of work (just like it fell on my Inidan friend Junaid, who was a Network Engineer at the time SAP was implemented in his organisation in New Delhi).  I presume that by saying a Support Engineer you meant Network Engineer or perhaps I'm wrong in my assumption.  If so, please correct me. 

Plant Maintenance (PM) is also another module that would suit your background, especially as you are an Electrical/Electronics Engineer.  RFID also fits in well with your background.  Radio Frequency Identification that is.

However, please ensure that you can obtain work with it by looking in the SAP recruitment pages and more specifically in your organisation.  Try and see where the SAP training that you intend to undertake would give you an opening in your organisation and capitalise on it.

I'm sure JJ and Markos would chip in and suggest what module they think would be best for you, in view of your background.




kiwi992.

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