italo:

I take advice from only people I have ajudged to be right-thinking.

Thank you.

yeah you worship the virgin mary and you think you are right thinking ? lmao. deluded fellow

amara.lizzy%40y:
@obadiah777, Stp going roundabout to find a bible verse dat wil suit ur comment, if u dy hell me i dy earth. Notin lyk purgatory.

well its not exactly called 'purgatory' in the bible but is is called the place to be 'purged'. purgatory is the same thing as purge. adding atory to the end of it is all you did. its still the same word

[quote
author=MEILYN] lol. Trust me. I wanted to answer her... Haha. Chaii
mobile phone is slow sha.... Your answer is better anyway... , didnt
see dis b4 i replied above.[/quote] Ur comment did nt in any way show an evidence to existence of purgatory,notin lyk purgatory. I knw say na dysame pple.

obadiah777: yeah you worship the virgin mary and you think you are right thinking ? lmao. deluded fellow

I only take the opinions/insults of people I have adjudged to be right-thinking serious.

Thank you.

italo:

I only take the opinions/insults of people I have adjudged to be right-thinking serious.

Thank you.

dont you have a virgin somewhere you need to be bowing down to ?

obadiah777: dont you have a virgin somewhere you need to be bowing down to ?

Dry!

amara.lizzy%40y:
Ur comment did nt in any way show an evidence to existence of purgatory,notin lyk purgatory. I knw say na dysame pple.

You failed to answer the questions I asked you.

Where is 1 Cor 3:15 talking about? Heaven or hell?

Where is it that sins are forgiven in the world to come as Jesus implied?

obadiah777: i suggest you go to this thread. they are talking about people with your kind of attitude.https://www.nairaland.com/1504466/helping-most-nigerian-women-end

Bros, I dey look dey laugh like Fela

doubleDx:


Bros I dey look dey laugh like fela

lol chief doubleDx i troway salute Sir lol.

MEILYN: its a her oo. Her name now. Amala. Lizard.

stp decievn n insultn urslf. al u said did nt even in any way relate to ur nonsense purgatory believe.

[quote
author=MEILYN] erm, but we've answered her question now. Watin they
vex you now . Yea the truth is bitter. [/quote] Al ur comment did nt even make an atom of sense atal both of u are just blabing.

italo:

Dry!



You failed to answer the questions I asked you.

Where is 1 Cor 3:15 talking about? Heaven or hell?

Where is it that sins are forgiven in the world to come as Jesus implied?

In d world to come mean anoda generation afta dis generation and nt purgatory. So ur bible quotatn did nt correspd wit purgatory. take it or live it notin lyk purgatory.

amara.lizzy%40y:
Al ur comment did nt even make an atom of sense atal both of u are just blabing.

oh. So nah the word purgatory dey worry u? Lol.... Why dont you quote a Bible verse 4 us now.... Obadiah have told you, Earth is the purgatory, There is purgatory but it is different from what other people believe... Purgatory is where you are purged, which is Earth... You are getting yourself confused, your question has been answered. When someone dies his spirit goes to God who gave it, after death is judgment, judgment is on earth which is the purgatory. Just read with humility miss, we qouted the bible to give you a better understanding... Stop being stiff necked and rebellious the word purgatory, nah e be ur wahala?

obadiah777: dont you have a virgin somewhere you need to be bowing down to ?

@Italo, u called dis dry?. Lmao. Very Very funny... Abey Maria Tins.

amara.lizzy%40y:
In d world to come mean anoda generation afta dis generation and nt purgatory. So ur bible quotatn did nt correspd wit purgatory. take it or live it notin lyk purgatory.

hey Mr. woman. What does the word purgatory mean? After telling us that. Then you tell us your own belief. If there is nothing like purgatory. When someone dies what will happen to the person?

amara.lizzy%40y:
stop askin yeye questn, if ur sins are nt forgiven on earth it can't be forgiven in heaven or hell. or u want to indirectly tel m it can be 4given in purgatory.

U no even understand his questions

I stand to tell u guyz dat there is purgatory.......

Do u mean am in purgatory now . So Africa is the purgatory? Jesusssss so am dead is Israel and now in purgatory in Africa. This is serious oooh. Meaning GEJ and all these rich Africans are in purgatory? What a nice purgatory

The way Obadiah and his exclusive group of intellectuals turn an obscure topic to sometin completely arcane.

Which one be Africa na wilderness again?

[quote author=MEILYN] yea, have heard this before. Africa being the wilderness. Oga explain better.[/quote. ]. Do u mean am in purgatory now . So Africa is the purgatory? Jesusssss so am dead is Israel and now in purgatory in Africa. This is serious oooh. Meaning GEJ and all these rich Africans are in purgatory? What a nice purgatory

italo:

Dry!



You failed to answer the questions I asked you.

Where is 1 Cor 3:15 talking about? Heaven or hell?

Where is it that sins are forgiven in the world to come as Jesus implied?

Italo, good job! Unfortunately, your co-debaters are either foulmouthed or frivolous.

Your argument is flawless, and I can see how you aimed to bring the answers from Amara but she's awfully tetchy, and would rather spit fire than answer your queries.

Why a need for purgation after one's
sin has already been forgiven? The
premier example from the Bible comes
from David, in the book of 2 Samuel
12:13-14:
"David said to Nathan, "I have
sinned against the LORD." And
Nathan said to David, "The LORD
also has put away your sin ; you
shall not die. Nevertheless, because
by this deed you have utterly
scorned the LORD, the child that is
born to you shall die."
Here we see God punishing David by
taking the life of his son, even after
God forgave David for killing
Bathsheeba's husband, Uriah the
Hittite, by putting him on the
battlefront (So David could take
Bathsheeba for his wife). This verse
also tells us that our children can
suffer mightily, even death, because of
our own sins.
God Himself appeared to Moses as a
non-consuming fire, which didn’t
burn the bush (Exodus 3:2). The book
of Daniel says that the very throne of
God is fire:
“As I looked, thrones were placed
and one that was ancient of days
took his seat; his raiment was white
as snow, and the hair of his head
like pure wool; his throne was
fiery flames, its wheels were
burning fire .” (Daniel 7:9).
And when God speaks, fire issues forth
from His mouth:
“A stream of fire issued and came
forth from before him; a thousand
thousands served him, and ten
thousand times ten thousand stood
before him; the court sat in
judgment, and the books were
opened. (Daniel 7:10).
In the New Testament, at Pentecost,
God the Holy Spirit appeared as non-
consuming tongues of fire to the
apostles (Acts 2:3). So we see that God
and fire can be seen as one and the
same.
In the First Book of Samuel 31:13, the
survivors fasted for the dead, which
makes no sense if the deceased were
not in a place where that penance
(fasting) could do some good for them.
In Matthew 12:31, Jesus told the
parable about blaspheming the Holy
Spirit (not believing that the Holy
Spirit can save you, no matter what –
the sin of despair), and said that
anyone who does blaspheme the Holy
Spirit
" will not be forgiven in this age
or the age to come " (Matthew
12:32).
Since sins aren't forgiven in Hell, and
those in Heaven are already forgiven
for their sins, then this one statement
indicates another place after death
where sins can indeed be forgiven.
When Jesus told the parable of the
man beating up others who owed him
money, after he himself had been
forgiven his debts (Matthew 18:23-34),
He said
“And in anger his lord delivered
him to the jailers, till he should
pay all his debt . So will my
heavenly Father do to you , unless
each of you forgives his brother
from his heart" (Matthew
18:34-35).
Since there is no release program in
Hell, and no one wants to ever leave
Heaven, this also indicates that there
is another temporary place of torment
where saved sinners go who have been
forgiven their sins, but who have not
paid all of their debt, down to the last
penny, for their sins. In fact, in
Matthew 5: 25-26, Jesus says
“Make friends quickly with your
accuser, while you are going with
him to court, lest your accuser
hand you over to the judge, and the
judge to the guard, and you be put
in prison; truly, I say to you, you
will never get out till you have
paid the last penny .”
The only possible prison that there
could be that one gets out of
eventually is purgatory.
In Hebrews 12:22-24, St. Paul says the
following:
“But you have come to Mount Zion
and to the city of the living God, the
heavenly Jerusalem, and to
innumerable angels in festal
gathering, and to the assembly of
the first-born who are enrolled in
heaven, and to a judge who is God
of all , and to the spirits of just
men made perfect, and to Jesus,
the mediator of a new covenant,
and to the sprinkled blood that
speaks more graciously than the
blood of Abel. "
We know who the angels are, as well
as the first born (those who go
directly to heaven upon death), & the
judge (Jesus), but the spirits of just
men made perfect is another category
of heavenly residents. Those would be
the just men and women who were not
ready for heaven upon death, but who
were cleansed in the fires of purgatory
and MADE PERFECT.
In 2 Timothy 1:16-18, Paul prays for
the soul of the departed Onesiphorus:
May the Lord grant mercy to the
household of Onesiphorus, for he
often refreshed me; he was not
ashamed of my chains, but when
he arrived in Rome he searched for
me eagerly and found me; may the
Lord grant him to find mercy from
the Lord on that Day -- and you
well know all the service he
rendered at Ephesus.
Revelation 21:27 says that
"nothing unclean shall enter
heaven; "
so it can be assumed that if we are
still unclean when we die, thanks to
God's amazing grace, we shall still be
able to enter heaven thanks to the
cleansing fires of purgatory.
Purgatory is NOT another chance to be
saved…Once death occurs, you are
either saved or not saved. If you have
suffered greatly in this life, or during
your death, that pain and suffering
alleviates your purgatory time, if it
was done for Christ, and not wasted in
anger at God. All purgatory does is to
detach you from your love of sin, and
to pay your debt to God for all of the
sins that you have committed while
alive on earth. This is directly
analogous to someone who robs a
bank and then asks for forgiveness.
While the bank president will
probably forgive him, the thief still
has to give back the money and pay
his debt to society through prison
time. After all, nothing unclean or
defiled shall enter Heaven (Revelation
21:27). Even Isaiah, as good a prophet
as there ever was, when he
was caught up into Heaven (Isaiah
6:1), he proclaimed himself unclean
(Isaiah 6:5). A seraphim angel
(seraphim means "burning one" then
took a burning ember and stuck it to
his tongue to cleanse him (Isaiah
6:6-7). Similarly, we will be cleansed
in the fire of purgatory before we see
God. St. Paul talks about this in 1
Corinthians 3:13 when he says,
" The work of each will come to
light, for the Day will disclose it. It
will be revealed with fire, and the
fire (itself) will test the quality of
each one's work. If the work stands
that someone built upon the
foundation, that person will receive
a wage. But if someone's work is
burned up, that one will suffer loss;
the person will be saved, but only
as through fire. "
And then there are these 2 verses of
scripture that talk about God and fire
and us:
Mark 9:49: For every one will be
salted with fire.
Hebrews 12:29: "For our God is a
consuming fire."
1 Peter 1:7: "The genuineness of
your faith, more precious than
gold that is perishable even
though tested by fire , may prove
to be for praise, glory, and honor at
the revelation of Jesus Christ."
In the First Book of Peter 3:19 and 4:6,
Peter says that after the crucifixion
and death of Jesus, that Jesus
"went to speak to the spirits in
prison"
to bring them the good news of His
saving power. This prison was
basically a holding tank for Old
Testament people who followed the
teachings of God, and looked forward
to the coming of the Messiah, who
would once again open the doors of
heaven to man, which had been shut
since the sin of Adam. This scripture
also indicates that there is a place
mentioned in the bible besides Heaven
and hell for dead people to go to
before they can enter into Heaven.
We, as the Church Militant (still
alive), can help our relatives and
friends (and ENEMIES, by the way),
who are in Purgatory (The Church
Suffering) by praying for them, saying
rosaries for them, offering up our
sufferings here on earth for them, and
most powerfully of all, having Holy
Masses said for them. No need to wait
for All Souls Day, although that is a
GREAT time to have Masses said for
them. See your parish secretary and
have masses scheduled in
remembrance of your loved ones as
soon as possible. Once they make it to
heaven, they will remember your
kindness, and become powerful
intercessors with Jesus for your
salvation. Definitely a win-win
effort!! No sacrifice for the dead is
ever wasted. For example, if your
loved one is already in heaven, then
God, in his infinite mercy, will apply
the sacrifice you make to someone else
who most needs it.
There are some who think that it is
sacrilegious to pray for the dead, in
spite of what the second Book of
Maccabees says.. Well, think about
this…There is no time in Heaven.
God exists only in eternity, and
knows the future. God, in his infinite
wisdom, thus knows when a person
dies that a loved one will be saying
prayers for him/her years down the
road. He then applies those yet-to-
come prayers to the dead person's
sentence in purgatory at the time of
death. Of course the worst thing in
Purgatory, besides the cleansing fire, is
the knowledge that you are separated
from God, because of your sins on
earth. That intense longing to see God
is both painful and comforting at the
same time, because you know that you
have made it, but must still wait to be
cleansed.
To sum up, the Church, under the
direction of the Holy Spirit has always
taught that Purgatory does exist. It is
not a second chance to be saved, but
rather, a place of cleansing for the
already saved before entering into
heaven. People who die with
unexpiated sins or the attachment to
sin on their souls go there, and are
cleansed in the purifying fire of
Purgatory for a period of time. Once
they are purified, they go to heaven
and enjoy the Beatific Vision forever.
These people remember who prayed
for them while they were in
Purgatory, and then start offering
prayers to Jesus for them. St. Therese,
the Little Flower, and the 33rd Doctor
of the Church, tells us that it offends
God greatly when people say that they
will surely have to spend time in
purgatory after death. She says that
Jesus would rather not send anybody
there, and he would prefer that one
has TOTAL TRUST in HIM now so that
they won't have to spend one second
in purgatory later. It seems that
believing in one's own sinfulness
rather than in the infinite mercy of
God to forgive them becomes a self-
fulfilling prophecy to spend time in
the fires of purgatory instead of going
straight to heaven.

Don't forget wat d bible said in James "nothing impure shall enter heaven" and in Romans "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"; so you should judge yourself and see. Remember that purgatory is an English word and must not be referred to as "purgatory" in the Bible, just like "trinity" was not used in the Bible.

One word of advice, every idle word that men speak shall be used against them on the day of judgement!

obadiah777: we in hell brother. tis getting better though cuz we at the end lol

Oh Goodness!

amara.lizzy%40y:
I strongly believe that there is nothing like purgatory,is either hell fire or heaven. Some people said if you commit sin and die you go to purgatory and do six months frog jump before you enter heaven that is a pure lie.

there is nothing like purgatory. It is not and cant be proven from the bible.

obadiah777: yeah you worship the virgin mary and you think you are right thinking ? lmao. deluded fellow

We don't worship her. We adore her.
This is because She intercedes for us to the Father.

I know your believe won't let you agree with me but let me give u an instance.

If u love ur mom so much and it happens u r the Governor of a state. Now someone from the masses tries to see u to ask for a favour or has met u once for a favour but u are busy to grant it. Or he has done something bad in the past for that you don't want to grant his favour.
This man now goes to ur mom and pleaded with her to help u talk to her son on ur behave. This your mom who have a good heart agrees and comes to u with the young man's plea. After calling u all the sweet names and making u happy, she succeeded in making u to grant that man his favour.


Now, that is exactly what happens u when we adore Mary and ask her to intercedes for us.
Another perfect example can be found in the wedding in Canaan.

obadiah777: yeah you worship the virgin mary and you think you are right thinking ? lmao. deluded fellow

We don't worship her. We adore her.
This is because She intercedes for us to the Father.

I know your believe won't let you agree with me but let me give u an instance.

If u love ur mom so much and it happens u r the Governor of a state. Now someone from the masses tries to see u to ask for a favour or has met u once for a favour but u are busy to grant it. Or he has done something bad in the past for that you don't want to grant his favour.
This man now goes to ur mom and pleaded with her to help u talk to her son on ur behave. This your mom who have a good heart agrees and comes to u with the young man's plea. After calling u all the sweet names and making u happy, she succeeded in making u to grant that man his favour.


Now, that is exactly what happens u when we adore Mary and ask her to intercedes for us.
Another perfect example can be found in the wedding in Canaan.

Both reason and faith tell us that there is a middle ground of expiation, where the soul is cleansed from all stain of sin before it can enter the glory of heaven. "There shall not enter into it anything defiled" (Apoc. 21:27). Christ said, "Amen, I say to thee, thou will not come out from it until thou hast paid the last penny" (Matt. 5:26). Even persons who deny the existence of purgatory instinctively pray for their loved ones who have died. This would be great inconsistency if their reason did not tell them that their prayers would do the dead good. Prayers are useless for those in heaven or hell.

http://www.catholicbook.com/AgredaCD/MyCatholicFaith/mcfc078.htm

amara.lizzy%40y:
In d world to come mean anoda generation afta dis generation and nt purgatory. So ur bible quotatn did nt correspd wit purgatory. take it or live it notin lyk purgatory.

Are you implying someone who lived and sinned in this generation should reincarnate and live in the next generation to be forgiven?

All... Na heaven sure pass

donezra:


We don't worship her. We adore her.
This is because She intercedes for us to the Father.

I know your believe won't let you agree with me but let me give u an instance.

If u love ur mom so much and it happens u r the Governor of a state. Now someone from the masses tries to see u to ask for a favour or has met u once for a favour but u are busy to grant it. Or he has done something bad in the past for that you don't want to grant his favour.
This man now goes to ur mom and pleaded with her to help u talk to her son on ur behave. This your mom who have a good heart agrees and comes to u with the young man's plea. After calling u all the sweet names and making u happy, she succeeded in making u to grant that man his favour.


Now, that is exactly what happens u when we adore Mary and ask her to intercedes for us.
Another perfect example can be found in the wedding in Canaan.

Oga, ur analogy is flawed, u peeps revere her so much it is almost like worship. Was driving through lagos one day and i saw a grown a-s-s man kneeling down to an assumed image of Mary ululating. The only reference u guys have for this idolization of Mary is the marriage of Cana.

donezra:


We don't worship her. We adore her.
This is because She intercedes for us to the Father.

I know your believe won't let you agree with me but let me give u an instance.

If u love ur mom so much and it happens u r the Governor of a state. Now someone from the masses tries to see u to ask for a favour or has met u once for a favour but u are busy to grant it. Or he has done something bad in the past for that you don't want to grant his favour.
This man now goes to ur mom and pleaded with her to help u talk to her son on ur behave. This your mom who have a good heart agrees and comes to u with the young man's plea. After calling u all the sweet names and making u happy, she succeeded in making u to grant that man his favour.


Now, that is exactly what happens u when we adore Mary and ask her to intercedes for us.
Another perfect example can be found in the wedding in Canaan.

Why bother yurself explaining, All those protestant nitwits got nufin on us. They just love to criticize everything we do. Na today we begin dey explain say na honor we dey do and not worshipping?? Anyway, they are free to hate, the Catholic church has existed for thousands of years and no form of hate is pulling we down